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2010 NFL Season Preview:

Veteran Additions:
QB Brady Quinn, RB Kolby Smith, OT/G Maurice Williams, DE/DT Jarvis Green, DE/DT Justin Bannan, NT Jamal Williams, ILB Akin Ayodele, CB Nate Jones.
Early Draft Picks:
WR Demaryius Thomas, QB Tim Tebow, G/OT Zane Beadles, C J.D. Walton, WR Eric Decker, CB/KR Perrish Cox, C Eric Olsen.
Offseason Losses:
WR Brandon Marshall, TE Tony Scheffler, G Ben Hamilton, C Casey Wiegmann, DE/DT Kenny Peterson, ILB Andra Davis, CB Ty Law.

2010 Denver Broncos Offense:
It took only two years, but Josh McDaniels transformed Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler into Tim Tebow, Demaryius Thomas and Marquez Branson. God help the Bronco fans who decide to jump off the Rocky Mountains if Denver's season goes into the crapper.

Will it go into the crapper? If last season's finish is any indication, it most certaintly will. Denver began the year 6-0, but went just 2-8 following the bye. After scoring 22.2 points per game in the first six contests, the Broncos went on to average 19.3 points the rest of the season - a number inflated by a 44-point output at woeful Kansas City.

It's hard to imagine Denver's offense rebounding in the wake of Marshall and Scheffler leaving for Miami and Detroit, respectively. The Broncos played without those two in the season finale, and the weak-armed Kyle Orton tossed three interceptions, two of which were returned for touchdowns. Apparently, Jabar Gaffney isn't a legitimate No. 1 receiver.

McDaniels drafted Demaryius Thomas to take over that role. While Thomas can't run routes or catch the ball consistently, his weaknesses will be masked in Denver's offense. It'll be interesting to see how McDaniels plans on utilizing Thomas and Eddie Royal. Last year, McDaniels foolishly used Royal as a decoy deep threat even though he's a natural slot receiver. Will Thomas take over as the deep threat, or will he be inserted into Marshall's former role? If the latter is the case, will McDaniels once again waste away Royal's talents? Common sense suggests otherwise, but McDaniels is far from conventional.

And speaking of screwing things up, McDaniels eliminated Denver's renowned zone-blocking scheme in favor of a more traditional system. This really hurt left tackle Ryan Clady's development. Clady had a stellar rookie campaign, but was guilty of eight sacks and eight penalties in 2009.

Aside from solid right guard Chris Kuper and right tackle Ryan Harris, Clady's issues are the least of Denver's worries up front. Left guard Russ Hochstein, 33 in October, wasn't very effective last season. The center position, meanwhile, will be manned by rookie J.D. Walton. As the Bills learned last year, just because you have a highly touted rookie playing in the interior of the offensive line doesn't mean that you're going to have success there.

If the Broncos plan on snapping out of this current 2-8 funk, Knowshon Moreno will have to come up big in his sophomore campaign. Moreno is very talented, but hit a rookie wall last year. With better conditioning and a more favorable blocking scheme, Moreno should have a big 2010 season. Of course, it would help if Denver had a quarterback who would make defenses respect the pass.

2010 Denver Broncos Defense:
Talk about bad timing - the Broncos developed a solid defense the year after Josh McDaniels banished Jay Cutler and changed the offensive line's blocking scheme. Denver finished 12th in points allowed, seventh in yardage surrendered and third versus the pass.

Two players were primarily responsible for the latter ranking. Rush linebacker Elvis Dumervil, thriving in Mike Nolan's new 3-4, collected a whopping 17 sacks in 2009. Dumervil's pass-rushing presence was prominent in Denver's eight wins; 13 of his sacks came in victories, while only four occurred during the team's eight losses.

Dumervil's pressure really helped an old secondary, namely Champ Bailey who had a phenomenal season. Corner Andre' Goodman, and safeties Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill also played well at times, but there is some concern now with Goodman and Dawkins, who will be 32 and 35, respectively, by October. It's safe to say that neither defensive back will perform as well in 2010.

Denver's secondary also has major depth issues. The short and slow Alphonso Smith struggled last year, losing his job to the decrepit Ty Law. Smith will compete with rookies Perrish Cox and Syd'Quan Thompson for nickel duties. Cox should win the job.

Amazingly, the defensive backfield is the Broncos' strongest unit as a whole. Dumervil is arguably the top pass-rusher in the NFL, but there is no one on the other side to create any sort of havoc for opposing quarterbacks. Second-year Robert Ayers is currently penciled in as the strongside outside linebacker. Ayers is not a good fit for the 3-4; he played well against the run last season, but didn't offer anything in terms of a pass rush. He will likely be a liability in coverage this year if he has to play extensively.

The Broncos don't really have anything at inside linebacker. D.J. Williams is a dynamic talent, but he was a bit lost in his first season in the 3-4, as he was overwhelmed against the run at times. Andra Davis, who excelled in that department, is no longer with the team. Mario Haggan and Akin Ayodele will compete for Davis' old job in a battle that will have no winners.

The defensive line, quite frankly, is garbage. Nose tackle Jamal Williams is 34 and played all of 45 snaps in 2009 before suffering a season-ending triceps injury. Both defensive ends, Justin Bannan and Jarvis Green, were acquired this offseason. Bannan has been a solid reserve for the Ravens, while Green was abysmal as a starter for New England last year.

Denver's stop unit has loads of problems, and the 30.5 points per game it surrendered in the final four weeks of the 2009 campaign was no fluke. But perhaps the biggest issue is the departure of Mike Nolan. Nolan is an outstanding defensive coordinator who was let go because he couldn't mesh with McDaniels (shocker). It's unlikely that his replacement, Don Martindale, will be able to live up to what Nolan accomplished last year.



2010 Denver Broncos Schedule and Intangibles:
Freezing temperatures and thin air should create a hostile environment for opponents, which explains why Denver had an NFL-best 70-18 home record from 1995 to 2005. However, the team is just 17-15 as hosts the past four seasons. Is the Mile High magic dead? It certainly appeared that way when the Raiders and Chiefs came into Denver and beat the Broncos in must-win games in Weeks 15 and 17.

After a rocky rookie campaign, Matt Prater pieced together a great 2009 season, nailing 30-of-35 field goals.

Punter Mitch Berger was let go, meaning that Britton Colquitt will have the job in 2010. Colquitt has never attempted a punt in his NFL career.

Eddie Royal scored on two special-teams touchdowns last season. Unfortunately, the Broncos also surrendered two returns themselves, which gives them a total of seven in the past three years. That's not good.

The Broncos could begin the year 2-0, as their first two opponents are the Jaguars and Seahawks. However, their next four foes are the Colts, Titans, Ravens and Jets. Denver also has three straight road games (Chiefs, Cardinals, Raiders) in December before closing against the Texans and Chargers at home.

2010 Denver Broncos Analysis: No one should expect anything from the Broncos in 2010, as this is a transitional year for them. Josh McDaniels has hitched his wagon to Tim Tebow, who likely won't set foot onto the football field for non-gadget plays until 2011.

The 2010 Broncos feature a weak-armed quarterback, an inexperienced No. 1 receiver, an offensive line transitioning into a new scheme, and a defense that could be worse than the unit that surrendered more than 30 points per game in the final four weeks of the 2009 season.

Denver fans need to be prepared for the worst - and things won't get better anytime soon unless Tebow is the savior his faithful fans expect him to be.

Projection: 6-10
2010 NFL Draft Grades:

Josh McDaniels has turned Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler into Tim Tebow, Demaryius Thomas and Dick Quinn. What a disaster. Bronco fans are so loyal, so you can only feel sorry for them.

I'm not going to discuss the Tebow pick because I would be a fool to doubt him. Instead, I'll berate the other first-round pick. The only reason Thomas was drafted in the first round is because he's big and can reportedly run fast. That's it. He can't run routes and he can't catch the ball consistently. The Broncos should have just gone into random gyms across America and signed every big, athletic guy who claimed to run a 4.45.

I'm also penalizing the Broncos for the 2009 Alphonso Smith selection. That was a year ago, but the decision to draft him is the reason why they didn't have two first-round picks to begin with.

I actually liked a lot of Denver's mid- and late-round choices. J.D. Walton was this class's No. 2 center. He fills a need and was a bargain in Round 3. Eric Decker might be better than Thomas. Perrish Cox is a promising corner as well.

What it comes down to though, is whether or not Denver has really improved itself via the 2010 NFL Draft. I can't say it has.

Overall 2010 NFL Draft Grade given on 4/26/10: C-


2010 NFL Draft Individual Grades:

22. Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
Josh McDaniels drafts a guy who can't run routes or catch the football. Seems like a very natural fit. Poor Broncos fans. (Pick Grade: F)

25. Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
I can't bash this pick. Jimmy Clausen would have been the smart choice, but I am not going to make the mistake of doubting Tim Tebow. I'll be very surprised if he busts. He's going to kill himself to prove everyone wrong. (Pick Grade: Can't grade - biased)

45. Zane Beadles, G/OT, Utah
Filling a need is good. Obtaining a Round 3-4 prospect in the middle of the second round? Well, maybe the Broncos just had him rated higher than everyone else. Can't penalize them too much for that. (Pick Grade: C)

80. J.D. Walton, C, Baylor
Hey, Josh McDaniels made a great pick! J.D. Walton was a second- or early third-round prospect and fills Denver's biggest need at center. (Pick Grade: A)

87. Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota
Amazingly, Denver's third-round receiver might be better than their first-round receiver. If Eric Decker is healthy - and he does have his injury concerns - this is a solid pick. (Pick Grade: B)

137. Perrish Cox, CB/KR, Oklahoma State
Josh McDaniels makes a great pick in Round 5 because Perrish Cox was considered to be a third-round prospect. Champ Bailey and Andre' Goodman are getting long in the mouth (as Emmitt would say), so the Broncos needed to find a successor. (Pick Grade: A)

183. Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame
Josh McDaniels drafts his backup center! Actually, this is a solid pick; the Broncos literally had nothing at center going into the 2010 NFL Draft. (Pick Grade: B)

225. Syd'Quan Thompson, CB, California
Syd'Quan Thompson was once considered by some to be a second-round prospect - until people realized that he's a short and slow corner. Thompson knows what he's doing, but short and slow corners seldom succeed in the NFL. Still, the Broncos are getting great value in the middle of Round 7. (Pick Grade: A)

232. Jammie Kirlew, DE/OLB, Indiana
I'm surprised Jammie Kirlew was drafted. Another pass-rusher to get after Philip Rivers is nice. (Pick Grade: C)

Key Undrafted Free Agents:

  • Nathan Overbay, TE, Eastern Washington





    Season Summary:
    When the Broncos defeated the Patriots and sat at 5-0, Josh McDaniels looked at the media during his post-game press conference with a wry smile and said, "Looks like the people in this building were a lot smarter than everyone else." McDaniels had reason to gloat; everyone believed the Jay Cutler-Kyle Orton trade was an abomination and that Denver was doomed for a horrific season. Well, they were; we just didn't know it yet. The Broncos finished the year on a 2-8 slump, which included home losses to Oakland and Kansas City in the final three weeks. Looks like the people in that building weren't so smart, eh Josh?
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    I’ve added no color or thoughts in what was written above.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

    DL

    McGeorge is simply passing on what was written at Walter Football. Those are not his words.

    We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

    by Brian Shrout on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Your reading comprehension failed you today my man.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    McG has nothing on Walter

    McG at least loves the Broncos. Walter has acted like the Broncs pissed in his cornflakes for years now. Zappa used to get into epic email battles with him that were pretty funny…

    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
    Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?

    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Well, McG, I can see why you posted it.

    However there is really not much to say. I disagree with these views almost uniformly, but only the season being played out will give an further data about who is right.

    by idahobronc on Jun 17, 2010 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

    It’s a long read about our Broncos. You should be able to see why I posted it. Are you any worse for the wear?

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Nope, not at all.

    Just surprised how consistently he can view each change as a down-grade. Like I said; we’ll just have to play out the season. If all goes well, we will likely hear nothing but silence from him regarding the Broncos.

    by idahobronc on Jun 17, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Not true, he beats himself up on his bad draft calls.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I understand

    You want to bring some balance to the homers. I find your comment below intrigueing about coaching up the younger players. I’ll be interested on how the young one do this year.

    Now that that is over.....

    by 3nS on Jun 17, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

    “This really hurt left tackle Ryan Clady’s development. Clady had a stellar rookie campaign, but was guilty of eight sacks and eight penalties in 2009.”

    This doesn’t get much play at MHR, but I’ve said many times that Clady regressed in 2009. It’s painful, but true. McD and his staff need to do a much better job coaching up the young guys. Almost every young player on our team regressed in 2009 (Royal, Hillis, Clady, Scheff, Moreno, Larsen, Kuper, Phonz).

    The only two that did not were Marshall (gone) and Elvis (unsigned).

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 10:25 AM MDT reply actions  

    Clady's # were skewed in 2008 from Cutler.....

    being mobile and getting rid of the ball fast. Orton on the other hand, would hold on to the ball and even run into the defender at times. I think the entire line play in 2009 regressed from not fitting into a power blocking group.

    fader nation is a conquered nation

    Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

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    by mdierk on Jun 17, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    true

    i wonder how he’ll do once he is healthy again. We can’t expect much from him this season we’ll just have to hope someone steps up.

    One thing that gets on my nerves is how everyone just blows the first six games off as luck and decides that since we finished in a slump, that’s how we’ll play this upcoming year. I believe we’ll be somewhere in the middle of that.

    I laughed when he said that he was biased on the tebow pick so he decided to withhold his grade but gives thomas an f. Yeah, he has his concerns but an F…

    "Pleased? We are excited about the proposition of going forward from where we are right now. Pleased? I don't know if you want to say pleased. You may want to hang your hat on pleased. I don't want to hang my hat on nothing right now."

    -Brian Dawkins, on the play of the defense

    Once he gets his hands on you, there's not much you're going to do. Then you can't outrun him, you can't run around him, you can't really run him over -- so you've just got to deal with it."

    Elvis Dumerville, on Ryan Clady

    by milehighnation on Jun 17, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

    HE was talking about the value of the pick

    If Thomas was drafted in the 3rd round the pick would be graded as an A. Taking a receiver that he has shown no ability to to run routes in the first is questionable.

    Personally I dont care if this guy gave Denver an F- for this draft. It is what it is and nothing is going to change that. The only thing Denver needs to do is win.

    You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

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    by johnnystarr on Jun 17, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

    yup

    and if there are some bad decisions in there, there will still be opportunities to make them right.

    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
    Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?

    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2010 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Poor coaching or growing pains? Just sayin..

    It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)

    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Likely some of both Alex.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

    throw in a little

    regression to the mean as well.

    But I have to be honest, I’m worried about Clady’s return to football… the data on patellar tendon injuries is grim…

    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
    Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?

    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2010 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

    By far this is my biggest worry also

    It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)

    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I talked with Clady...

    About two weeks ago and he said that he expects to be back by the second game of the preseason.

    by troycdunn on Jun 17, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yep.

    My wife and I meet him about two weeks ago and I asked him how his leg was doing. He said that it was doing fine and that he expected to be back by mid-preseason. His leg was still in a medical brace but he seemed to be in good spirits. I ran into a couple of other players that day and accidentally insulted Renaldo Hill when I asked him how “opportunity day” went. (Hill, being a vet, only had to work-out that day. He didn’t take the field.)

    by troycdunn on Jun 17, 2010 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Now I am truly envious! And relieved...

    If it was bad news, he simply wouldn’t have volunteered a time-line. Thanks for the inside info!

    by idahobronc on Jun 17, 2010 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

    This seems to be a huge topic around here

    Clady partially tore it—still bad—but from everything we know based on what the Broncos and Clady are saying is that he will be back sooner rather than later. I also asked a surgeon who I play basketball with how long the particular injury takes to heal, and he said 9-12 weeks. Give Clady 15 weeks from the draft, and you’re sitting at mid-late August, or right before the season starts.

    If it turns out that he needs more time, well, I guess I’ll just have to believe it when I see it.

    A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

    by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 17, 2010 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Mid August. The season starts in mid Sept.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2010 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Wha?

    Our first game is on or after Sep. 15? That seems like it should be week two at least.

    A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

    by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 18, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Our 1st game is Sept 12, a lot closer to mid Sept than md August. As it relates to Clady’s injury, there are a lot of important healing days in there.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

    To me, given what we know about Clady’s injury, the main issue is not whether or not he makes it back for the start of the season — the issue is how will this injury impact his play. He may make it all the way back, he may never be the same again, or he may come back less effective in the short run but gradually get back to where he was.

    by DoubleJay on Jun 18, 2010 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

    THat's a good point

    I got you there

    A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

    by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 18, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

    This is my worry DJ

    as I have mentioned elsewhere the data is grim on the subject.

    But we have hope in that Clady’s injury has been clearly identified as a partial tear, and the other’s have all been full tears (at least as far as we know.)

    If Clady comes back from this and his his usual far-out groovy self, I think the event deserves a special name to commemorate the fact that we dodged a bullet. Maybe the “Immaculate resection?”

    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
    Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?

    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 18, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    I’ve hardly said anything. EVERYTHING in the article was written by someone else.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    rookies

    How can a rookie regress in 2009 from 2008 if they’re a rookie? Moreno, Phonz.

    by tunesmith on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

    They got worse during the season, which is really alarming. These guys are the ones that are supposed to improve the most.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

    is there a chance

    that you’re seeing a trend that isn’t really there?

    1) Moreno was playing behind a much worse offensive line the second half of the season
    2) Kuper was also having to take up more slack from a beat up offensive line. Of anyone, I think it was Wiegmann that regressed.
     - both were negatively affected by the loss of RyanH. I don’t think this can be chiefly ascribed to McD’s failure to coach up the two players.

    As far as Larsen, that’s the first time I’ve seen anyone claim he regressed. He was injured the first part of the season, but I always noticed lead-blocking improve markedly when he was in there instead of Hillis.

    by tunesmith on Jun 17, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Remember, Clady had the same OL coach in 2008 & 2009...

    Rick Dennison. After reading all the comments regarding the scheme from OTAs, I get the feeling that everyone on the offense had difficulty learning the offense. Plus, I think there is some truth to the regression to the mean and Cutler comments by Styg and mdierk, respectively. Although the Orton holding the ball probably had a lot to do with thinking too much. Obviously, the biggest concern is the knee. /shivers.

    Won't bow. Don't know how.

    by ButteBronco on Jun 17, 2010 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

    walter seems pretty harsh,

    but im not suprised that we would be graded in that light….

    until we prove something on the field, this kind of prediction will be par for the course.

    fader nation is a conquered nation

    Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

    CHICAGO...Where Quaterbacks' careers go to die!

    by mdierk on Jun 17, 2010 10:40 AM MDT reply actions  

    Walters has been just like McGeorge..

    Since Shanahan was let go and Cutler was traded, both see Denver a damaged.

    Funny though how the team is much better. DMT impressive in OTA’s. Phonz running the nickle.
    JD taking over the center. (BTW bills do not have the Bronco line).

    NAH I read all is go for TC

    by DLMyers on Jun 17, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Walter has disliked Denver for longer than that

    Not sure what his story is, but he has never been a fan of the Broncs, as far as I know. He REALLY hates McD though.

    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
    Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?

    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 17, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I mean

    Same thing happened last year, and I think we proved we werent terrible, just average. I think 7-9 wins is a safe prediction for now, and till we prove otherwise, I will stick with that range

    by DBroncs1414 on Jun 17, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Grrrrrrrr

    It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)

    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

    At least he put several words to paper. I don’t like the seven sentence team previews you see at SI, Bill Williamson or CBS. This guy really thought about Denver’s 2010 season, even if it’s hostile.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Actually, I completely agree

    That’s probably why I decided not to jump on him. A lot of it seems fairly on point. His glass just seems half-empty on a dozen of the smaller situations making the big picture less glossy.

    It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)

    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I agree, there are some very pertinent and accurate points in the article

    based on the uncertainty raised by the departure of Marshall and Scheffler.

    It’s just hard to focus on them due to the disparaging tone of the whole piece.

    We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

    by Brian Shrout on Jun 17, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Yeah i hear ya

    I just meant that i fully agree the guy spent some time and did his homework, that he gives intelligent and in-depth insight into our off-season moves. I don’t agree with his opinions of the off-season moves, or his tone, but hey, at least he thinks more of us than J-Russ. Here’s a little tid-bit from his raiders preview:

    The big move was getting rid of JaMarcus “Captain Skittles” Russell. Russell, a fat, stupid, lazy sloth,…

    It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)

    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Totally agree

    Look at his mock drafts, finds a way to take a stab at McD in every one of em

    by DBroncs1414 on Jun 17, 2010 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He is a pretty funny guy. I ove his Emmitt Smith bashing. Have to take that into account. Humor is a big part of his gig and the guy is 28 years old so what do you expect.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    or by a guy named Josh

    or with a last name McDaniels

    lol

    by Timimus on Jun 18, 2010 2:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah

    I got to say they did an excellent job of spelling all of the names right too. There are some really hard ones in there. Umm…and also avoiding grading the Tebow pick because he’s biased in favor of thinking it was a good pick showed incredible restraint. Most people who set out to write a piece trying to arbitrarily portray every aspect of a team in the worst possible light would either just give that pick a bad grade even thought they don’t believe it or, you know, give it a good grade because that’s what they think and the entire grading draft picks process is, by its very nature, an application of personal knowledge and biases. Let’s see, oh it also only lists one player who is no longer with the team as a veteran addition. That’s pretty good accuracy. And he calls Richard Quinn “Dick.” That’s a funny word. I’ve never heard that he goes by that, but it’s funny to put in there anyways, right?

    by asdqqq on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I liked the Dick Quinn part. If Richard doesn’t get a lot better in a hurry, I’ll start calling him that too.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Offensive line has the most question marks due to injuries and rookies, but I still feel better about that area than about our TE’s. I expect we’ll be drafting another early round TE next year.

    It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)

    by Alex on Jun 20, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Interesting

    I skimmed the majority of the other “previews” on the site.

    They all pretty much are just a listing of draft choices, the grade Walter Football gives each choice, and a short paragraph summarizing 2009 and projecting 2010. The other 3 AFC West teams are the only ones that get anywhere near the “depth” of analysis as the Denver article. And none of the ones I read contained the kind of pejoratives in the Denver summary.

    Makes you think.

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    by Brian Shrout on Jun 17, 2010 11:02 AM MDT reply actions  

    The author is from Pennsylvania and a Penn State grad so it is unlikely he has a dog in the AFC West fight.

    He is a huge fan of Tebow the person so maybe that is the reason for the attention.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

    McG, do you think he tipped some of his viewpoint and motivations when

    he referred to McD statement about not media not being as smart as people in the building?

    by idahobronc on Jun 17, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    All I am saying is he is not a Chef or San Diego fan. He probably doesn’t care much about the AFC West like I don’t care much about the NFC South.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I was just wondering if he was irritated enough last year to carry a grudge.

    Really hard to read someone else’s motivations unless they state them outright, though. And even then, for that matter.

    by idahobronc on Jun 17, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He clearly does not like McDaniels, but I don’t think he has anything against the Broncos.

    As we all know, no one player or coach is the Broncos. Everyone will come and go.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He ripped on us 3-13...

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    by SFLChief on Jun 17, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Not surprising

    coming from Walter. He’s the typical McD hater, Cutler lover. One thing he is wrong about is bannon being a backup. Bannon has started for injuries in the past and last year took over starting from Pryce. True until McD wins he’ll fight these kind of ctitics. It doesn’t matter that Orton outplays Cutler or that part of the collapse of last season falls on Scheffler’s and Marshall’s shoulders and their disruptive influence. Good NT tend to play into their late 30’s.
    So whatever, kind of what I expect from Walter.

    Now that that is over.....

    by 3nS on Jun 17, 2010 11:05 AM MDT reply actions  

    He's epically wrong on our defensive line, IMO

    Epic, I tell ya.

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    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I don’t know Elvis.

    Bannan and Green are okay, but we didn’t massively upgrade at the DE spots with those two. I foresee a high draft pick in 2011 being spent at DE.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I actually think the DL will be MUCH better

    My biggest concern going into last year was depth on the Off/Def-lines… I think you had the same concern.

    The point isn’t that JWill, Green and Bannon are super-superior upgrades to last years starters… its more that they are super upgrades from last year’s backups. D-line rotates so much that I think a big reason for the downfall of the defense last year was that the big guys up front simply were worn down. The backups were crap, which meant we either had to overplay the starters, or play subpar players behind them. This year, I expect a much more consistent performance from the D-line simply due to depth.

    O-line depth was obviously our achilles heel last year… once Harris went down, it was all over. I’m not convinced the rookies/injury situation will be better this year, but am hopeful for the future.

    by cjfarls on Jun 18, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

    You don’t need to convince me that LeKevin Smith sucks. I saw it most Sundays. I can’t believe we are bringing that lazy piece of garbage to TC.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Well, I do too. I constantly stated that the only draft results that I wouldn’t get behind and that I’d be pissed about is if we spent an early pick on a defensive lineman. I felt that it was redundant and that we had already upgraded effectively through FA. BUT… I still feel that we need to draft a high-profile lineman (or two) next year – probably a first-round center-piece to build around. I just thought we had too many holes to fix to address it in this year’s draft, and no immediate need.

    I expect our defensive line to be a top-ten unit. I expect most people outside of Denver to be shocked at the elite play from Jamal Williams. I expect Bannan to play very well, and I think our line depth is very good this year.

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    by Alex on Jun 20, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Amazing...

    Yet another guy who blatantly misrepresented the Cutler and Marshall trades to an unforgivable degree. After sifting through his startlingly hostile preview, I can’t say that I fault him too terribly for going with 6-10 as his projection. I still have a hard time giving anyone who predicts fewer than 7 wins any credence, but I also don’t buy anyone guaranteeing better than 9 at this point. Bottomline, at least he’s not forecasting a top five pick like some voices I’ve heard around the Internet…

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    by ejruiz on Jun 17, 2010 11:15 AM MDT reply actions  

    Wow....just...Wow...

    I’d bet him him my entire bank account that his 6 win projection is low.

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    by Broncotodd on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM MDT reply actions  

    Well, that's not very nice.

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    by Troy Hufford on Jun 17, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

    But funny. :(

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    by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 18, 2010 6:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

    No offence, Todd.

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    by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 18, 2010 6:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

    LOL No offense taken!

    But I think my healthy $6.93 account would be doubled at the end of the year! ;)

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    by Broncotodd on Jun 18, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Yes ladies and gentlemen...the Denver Broncos

    MSM’s favorite NFL team to hate.

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    by sadaraine on Jun 17, 2010 11:28 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

    Interesting read McG

    If you thought the Denver preview was hostile, just read his preview of the Chiefs!

    by BroncoTwins on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

    I did. He is not a fan of the AFC West’s chances in 2010.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, Brutal, he will eat his words...

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    by SFLChief on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

    That is what we all say. Some of us are right and some will be sad at the end of the 2010 season.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Or,

    some of us are right and the rest of us will join them in being happy when the outcome is better than you think….

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    by HarvJNep2n on Jun 17, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Wow

    Is he serious?

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    by Pmoreno95 on Jun 17, 2010 11:44 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

    Walterfootball has always hated McD

    I swear that if McDaniels raised someone from the dead, WF would complain that he was practicing medicine without a license. People on the site have been insane with the hate since the day McD was hired. I stopped reading their stuff on Denver long ago. Considering that the guys they lament as laving left didn’t get Denver in the playoffs, I’m glad that the team has gone in a different direction. Clady did have a poor 09 season, but so have lots of good LTs around the league – other teams learn to gameplan for you, and it takes time and work for the LT to regain their level of production.

    The WF thing is just another example of someone with a grudge venting their anger. It’s no big deal. The game is played on the field, not in the media.

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    by Doc Bear on Jun 17, 2010 11:50 AM MDT reply actions  

    It’s why I added no color to his article. Everything Walter writes will have to stand on its own.

    Again: The author is from Pennsylvania and a Penn State grad so it is unlikely he has a dog in the AFC West fight or an axe to grind against Denver.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I think WF had a mock draft last spring that had us picking #1 in the 2010 draft because we traded away Cutler.

    by BroncoTwins on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 PM MDT reply actions  

    is ok..

    let people think that the Broncos are going to suck and that we don’t have a chance to get in the playoffs…they got a surprise coming to them..VICTORY!!!

    by wisco on Jun 17, 2010 12:27 PM MDT reply actions  

    Nothing new here move along....

    Walter has always had a pretty strong East Coast bias and since he doesn’t spend much time actually analyzing the West he tends to take whatever negative MSM spin he can find and repackage it. He’s a pretty sharp young guy with some strong opinions but brings very little substance or knowledge of the game to the conversation.

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    by asinsoin on Jun 17, 2010 12:41 PM MDT reply actions  

    McGeorge, I hate to be negative, but...

    Wasn’t M. Williams cut?

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    by kwool79 on Jun 17, 2010 1:11 PM MDT reply actions  

    Stop yelling at me!!!!!

    I can’t take the pressure!!!!!!!

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    by kwool79 on Jun 17, 2010 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Shut your mouth when you are talking to me!!!! LOUD NOISES!!!!

    You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

    by boydy2669 on Jun 17, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

    If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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    by Troy Hufford on Jun 17, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Sorry, I was looking at your butt…

    What was that?

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

    LMAO

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    by HarvJNep2n on Jun 17, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Poor Analysis

    It is a very hostile piece. Fixated on Cutler and Scheffler (as if he has donr something as a pro).

    I don’t give it much credibility because the analysis is weak, contradictory and conclusory. Here is a prime example:
    “Denver’s stop unit has loads of problems, and the 30.5 points per game it surrendered in the final four weeks of the 2009 campaign was no fluke. But perhaps the biggest issue is the departure of Mike Nolan. Nolan is an outstanding defensive coordinator who was let go because he couldn’t mesh with McDaniels (shocker). It’s unlikely that his replacement, Don Martindale, will be able to live up to what Nolan accomplished last year.”

    In the same paragraph they say that the 30+ points a game was no fluke, then they proceed to praise Nolan as an outstanding DC last year. Which is it? Why are BDawk and Goodman going to be worse? Why is Cox going to win the nickel spot? Why can’t Ayers rush the passer? Who says Bay Bay has bad hands and can’t run routes?

    This was not analysis, it was simply conclusory opinions that could come from anyone, including McGeorge : ) or a Raiders fan.

    I can’t get this 10 minutes of my life back!

    by ocbroncomaniac on Jun 17, 2010 1:27 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

    Exactly.

    There is no factual, statistical, or even anecdotal evidence to support the majority of these claims. Walter seems to insist that everyone swallow his blanket statements as gospel just be cause he writ them.

    I will concede to this: I am guilty of much of the same, from the opposite point of view. I am not positive Ayers or Moreno will improve. I have no basis in fact for those opinions.

    But IF we are doomed to a 6-10 or 3-13 season or whatever, I would rather have the rest of the summer to enjoy my delusions of grandeur than to prolong the agony by protracting it for 3 months based upon unknowns and opinions.

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    by HarvJNep2n on Jun 17, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

    And His Chicago Prediction From Last Year
    2009 Chicago Bears Analysis: This is the way I look at the NFC North. The Vikings barely beat out the Bears last year, despite the fact that the latter had Kyle Orton (and Rex Grossman for two games) under center. While Minnesota didn’t make any great improvements, Chicago added one of the top young quarterbacks in the NFL and made multiple upgrades to its offensive line.

    With that in mind, the Bears have to be the preseason NFC North favorites. Cue the Viking hate mail!

    Projection: 11-5 (1st in NFC North)

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    by Alan_Smithee on Jun 17, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Good stuff

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    by Alex on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

    hehe

    funny, the takeaway is that he thinks we are two games better than last season. So if you figure in his handicap, then that’s a 10-6 prediction.

    by tunesmith on Jun 17, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

    awesome

    I’m thinking this year, he’s off by even more though. at LEAST 12-4 by my calculations of his ineptitude anyway.

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    by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 17, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

    That sounds about right...

    I’m probably more in the 9-7 range given the youth on O-line and WR… but 10-6 I’d guess is far more likely than 6-10.

    by cjfarls on Jun 18, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

    What was his 2009 San Diego prediction?

    Sorry, but this is an obsession of mine.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Ooh.... I'm curious about that, too.

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    by HarvJNep2n on Jun 17, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

    His 2009 San Diego prediction:

    I’d be willing to take a bet where I choose San Diego’s win total over the combined number of Oakland, Denver and Kansas City victories

    Yeah, not a winner.

    A few more notes:

    If you’re a San Diego fan, don’t worry about Tomlinson. As of this writing, he’s still 29, so he still has a few years left in the tank. That was clearly evident when he looked great in the team’s OTAs. It’s amazing how different you can look when you’re not coming off an MCL tear and you’re not hampered with a toe injury. I have Tomlinson ranked especially high in my 2009 Fantasy Football Rankings, and it’s very possible that he could lead the league in rushing yards this season.
    Olshansky, once considered a solid player, was so brutal that the team let him walk without much thought. Unfortunately, the Chargers didn’t really acquire anyone to take his place next to Luis Castillo and Jamal Williams, two of the better 3-4 linemen in the league.

    From one of the better 3-4 linemen in the league to garbage due to a biceps injury that by all accounts has fully healed. Nothing to do with him being a Bronco.

    His final win total prediction was 12, not that far off, but a lot of his analysis was.

    by asdqqq on Jun 17, 2010 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Why do they think Nolan is such a genius?

    This is how you take facts and twist them into emotional propaganda. Emphasize what makes you look clever and knowledgable, add in cupfulls of pure speculation and a dash of subliminal hatred = Broncos preview from Walter’s point of view. Let’s keep this in the archives and see what their response is in Jan 2011.

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    by Ponderosa on Jun 17, 2010 1:45 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

    I like this one too.,,

    It’s hard to imagine Denver’s offense rebounding in the wake of Marshall and Scheffler leaving for Miami and Detroit, respectively. The Broncos played without those two in the season finale, and the weak-armed Kyle Orton tossed three interceptions, two of which were returned for touchdowns. Apparently, Jabar Gaffney isn’t a legitimate No. 1 receiver

    Do you think he knows that Gaffney had 14 rec for 213 yards that game?

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    by TD4HOF on Jun 17, 2010 2:44 PM MDT reply actions  

    interesting quote block, eh?

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    by TD4HOF on Jun 17, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I thought you were quoting the amount of

    fact-based analysis in the article, in which case the quote blocks you provided are pretty accurate.

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    by HarvJNep2n on Jun 17, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Gaffney

    Had all those yards against a 3 win team. Do it against the Jets and Revis and I’ll believe.

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    by johnnystarr on Jun 17, 2010 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I wasn't saying that Gaffney is a legitimate no. 1 wr...

    I was saying that it is ridiculous to point to a game in which he had 14 rec for 213 and say he is not a legitimate wr.

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    by TD4HOF on Jun 17, 2010 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yep, fair point. I don’t think anybody’s calling Gaffney a #1, or even that we need him to be, but it does seem a little ridiculous that he points to that game while he’s dissing Gaffney and fails to mention his 200+ yards in the game.

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    by Alex on Jun 20, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Seriously

    I hate Walter Football. they are truly inaccurate, and were so heavily pushing that Clausen would go first overall until it became a fact Bradford would be taken fist. Every time they made a new mock, the authors would not even talk about the player, but find ways to take stabs at McD. Seriously, if you dont like the guy, thats one thing, but they take it to a personal level, for no reason.

    But this just reminds me how funny it is that McD and Tebow, todays most polarizing player/coach, were united

    by DBroncs1414 on Jun 17, 2010 2:49 PM MDT reply actions  

    I think the thing I hate most about this is the last season summary

    He is such an ass, and takes too much offense that he was horribly wrong with last year’s prediction. And although McD said what he said after the Pats game, he’s still right. They were closer with their prediciton than the “best case scenario 3-13” predictions we got last year

    by DBroncs1414 on Jun 17, 2010 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I hate it when people use the whole

    “hitched his wagon to Tebow” as if this year that’s finite at all at this point.

    Kyle is the one for the 2010 season as far as any one knows, so why relate that so heavily on the 2010 season. And don’t give me the whole 3 draft picks for Tebow, the Front Office ingeniously traded back to acquire those draft picks that essentially ended up moving all of our draft picks to earlier picks. Why did I read this and why am I caring what d-bags like this act like they’re thinking anyway? Sheesh!

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    by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM MDT reply actions  

    I’m about as heavily a McDaniels supporter as you’ll find – I even bought a hoody before a new jersey last year – but the fact is that we did give three picks for Tebow. We can qualify that statement by describing how we believe those picks were first attained, that we traded back in the draft to gain the ammunition to then move back up and take Tebow, that it was our major mission the whole time. We can qualify the statement by letting people know that we still drafted two 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, and still have two 2nd rounders next year. We can let them know that it wasn’t so irresponsible as they make it out to be.

    But don’t our enemies probably hate that as much as you hate it when they say we gave up three draft picks for Tebow?

    I mean we did give three draft picks for him. That’s a fact. It’s undeniable. It’s simple. The reasons, the excuses, the qualifying statemennts, well, those are more opinions and implications. You might say it is a fact that McDaniels said this was the plan the whole time. But then they’ll just say you have to believe what McDaniels said. More importantly, is the fact that if Tebow had been drafted before we moved on him, we would have had three more draft picks to use.

    I guess what I’m saying is that when I’m asked about Tebow, or when someone wants to debate what we gave, I’d rather pick my battles and skip that one. I can’t win debating what we factually gave to get The Tebow. I can, however, say it won’t matter in three years. If he’s great, nobody will care. If he sucks, McDaniels won’t be here anymore to defend.

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    by Alex on Jun 20, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I sometimes wonder...

    That if we had used the first 1st round pick for Tebow and the second 1st round pick on Thomas there would be less criticism of the selection. The fact that the pick was generated from three lower-quality picks seems to have struck many the wrong way.

    Here’s the flip side…

    We don’t criticize the Bronco’s for not trading our First round pick for three lower-round picks, and we could have done that as well.

    From what I’ve seen, the trade value of the three picks was approximately equivalent to the value of the first round pick. We paid a small premium, but it wasn’t deal breaker in my opinion.

    If the Tebow pick pans out, then it was a cheap price to pay. If the pick flops, well…I suspect we’ll still be happy with what we did get with our other draft picks. I just can’t get too worked up about the decision one way or the other.

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    by Alan_Smithee on Jun 20, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Elvis is right, if the Tebow pick doesn’t pan out, there is a very good chance McD won’t be around to make that one right.

    Maybe Orton or Quinn blows up and it won’t matter, but that is not likely considering their NFL careers thus far.

    Weather MHR, Denver, Paige or I like it or not, McD’s future is tied to Tebow. Tebow seems ike a real hard worked so McD tied his future to a guy that is going to give his all.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    This is a fantastically un-favorable opinion that you and I share, but McDaniels and Tebow are now tied at the hip. I’ll never say that McDaniels will be fired if Tebow doesn’t work out, but common sense tells those without emotion clouding, that if Tebow doesn’t work out, McDaniels will have at least one foot in the firing line.

    Personally, I don’t see why Bronco fans steer away from the issue. I trust McDaniels. I trust him to work Tebow into a great player more than anybody in the league. He’s got the resume and the history to make us think it will work. And if it doesn’t? Well, then maybe he wasn’t the rock star we thought he (Coach) was. I think he is. And that’s why I’m so willing to be a realist on these type issues. Untold history will judge him, but the move for Tebow will only be less important once success is under his belt.

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    by Alex on Jun 21, 2010 12:39 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    Don’t know who this guy is or why he hates the Broncos/McDaniels so much but what the hell. If he was so smart he would take his football knowledge and go to Vegas and bet the farm every week and not need to write for life. Either way no one knows what is going to happen this season. We can only guess (I am saying 9-10 wins). But the majority of us know very little of the game nor do we have any inside knowledge at the professional level. With that being said and all of the labor unrest who knows what is going to happen. The only certain thing this upcoming year is that I can’t wait for the regualr season and Fantasy Football to start. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!

    P.S. Up here in Seattle John Clayton is suggesting that the Seahawks go after Albert Haynesworth. Clayton is suggesting a fifth round pick would make the deal. How he knows this I don’t know. Just wondering though: Should the Broncos look into this?

    by NWBroncofan on Jun 17, 2010 3:35 PM MDT reply actions  

    Although he will be a financial surprise for whoever gets him.

    Washington has already paid a huge chunk of that contract, so it is surprisingly affordable. Still, No Thanks.

    by idahobronc on Jun 17, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

    The Walter Football guy is an avid gambler. He gives gambling advice every week. Check out his site during the season and you will see his input and advise.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Ah...so he says 3 wins last year and bets on more?

    What kink of scum is this to have a blatant conflict if interest?

    by el_DON_de_TAOS on Jun 17, 2010 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Are you serious. Avid gambler doesn’t scream Church going man

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    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Nope...he wants nothing to do with a 3-4 defense and the guys an ass clown!

    You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

    by boydy2669 on Jun 17, 2010 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

    My favorite quote from this article:
    Can’t grade – biased

    Only he should have led with this.

    by DoubleJay on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM MDT reply actions  

    Too his credit, he said he is biased in liking and believing in Tim Tebow.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Yeah, I know. I am insinuating that his statement unwittingly applies to the entire article.

    by DoubleJay on Jun 17, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I did not write this article. For some reason, a few of you readers are having a very hard time understanding this.

    It’s why I put the link before the jump. Click the link and see for yourselves. I am not Walter Football, I promise.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM MDT reply actions  

    Hmmm. Walter McGeorge....

    It’s all making sense now…

    :D

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    by Jason Witte on Jun 17, 2010 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

    riling up the masses, by others’ words. clever ;)

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    by Orange and Blue on Jun 18, 2010 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Based on the way the Denver crowd booed McD and Orton in the KC game, MHR is still in the minority in terms of Bronco fan’s perceptions of McD and Co. You guys don’t have masses status yet.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

    You may be right on that.

    "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."

    by Alan_Smithee on Jun 20, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

    You can take out the word “may”. Hopefully 2010 proves them and myself wrong.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Let’s not infer too much about fan opinion on McD and Company based on fan reaction during the KC game. The Broncos played terrible in that game and had I been there I would have been tempted to boo.

    Gauging the fan reaction to their play that game is one thing. Judging fan opinion now that a little time has passed and going into next season is quite another. I would wager that for most fans, going 8-8 was worse than they hoped fro and better then they feared. Going into this year, fans will expect another step forward and will be a bit more skeptical if we get off to a fast start given how last season ended, but I would say that at least as many fans are cautiously optimistic going into this season as there were last season (maybe more given that more were willing to part with Mashall and Scheff vs Cutler, plus the enthusiasm that much of the fan base has for Tebow)

    by DoubleJay on Jun 20, 2010 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I don't like the fact that he said Thomas can't consistently catch or run routes

    So he thinks that Thomas is incapable of these things? He’s 21? Can he not learn to get better? Is he not a living breathing person who’s whole college career has led him to this point, getting better with each step along the way?

    Nope, not according to Walter. This is Thomas and this is how he will stay because he is static and incapable of improving.

    I think that’s my biggest problem with piece. It is clear that he thinks his shtick is catchy and appealing to some (if indications of Faders and Chefs reviews are accurate) and plays it up to be the biggest jackass out there for sales, so I can’t fault him there as long as he is consistent.

    It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

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    by Jason Witte on Jun 17, 2010 3:38 PM MDT reply actions  

    This guy was way down on Thomas before the draft. It’s not because Denver took him, he just didn’t like Thomas as a prospect because he thinks Thomas drops too many passes.

    We shall see on this one.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 17, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'll agree there...

    Thomas’ consistency in the hands is my biggest concern about him.

    That said, BMarsh didn’t really excel in that department either, and he was fine.

    I’m not concerned much at all with the route running… he started at UGA when they were a pro-style offense… just because his recent past didn’t include a wide variety of routes doesn’t mean he’s incapable of them. And besides, Randy Moss doesn’t really run that many different route types either… their role is clear the defense deep, and/or take the screen pass if the DEF plays off them… both of which he did in spades at UGA.

    by cjfarls on Jun 18, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

    GT

    Moreno and Champ are our ’Dogs.Good point about the routes though. Route technique, which is applicable to ALL routes, is more important than experience with a specific pattern. I look at his success in college and think that the route running nonsense is a non-issue at this point in his career.

    There were legitimate gripes about him, but he was a top 50 talent in this draft, no doubt about it. I think where Denver took him is pretty fair, and that the only truly debatable strategy is taking a player who is injured.

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    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 18, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I think that the injury concerns for Thomas were overblown — from what I hear, breaks like his are routine and usually heal well. I am much more concerned about Decker’s injury, although I Stokely’s experience and input were probably key in deciding that taking Decker was worth the risk.

    As far as route running is concerned, Walter Football is dead wrong. The old adage is that you can’t coach speed and you can’t coach size. Thomas is big and fast. He has it where it counts. Plus, with a good work ethic and one of the higher Wonderlic scores, he is definitely coachable. If you are drafting for only this year maybe Thomas was not the best pick, but from a long term strategy perspective, it is hard to argue with it.

    by DoubleJay on Jun 18, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

    Your point on Moss is very good

    Phil Simms’ book talked about this: Mike Shanahan once commented that of all the guys in the NFL who claimed that if you put it up, they’d go get it, the one who was being honest was Randy Moss. He could play playground ball with NFL defenders, and Shanny had never seen the like of it save perhaps Deion. I’m not claiming that DT is like Moss and Sanders, but if he’s got that brand, so to speak, that variety of skill in some degree – and so far, it’s looked like it – that’s got its own set of advantages. I’ve tended to see Decker as contributing sooner, but I’d be pretty glad to be wrong about that. .

    Gnothi Seauton

    by Doc Bear on Jun 18, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

    The thing that no one wants to believe

    Is what if this guy is correct. Everyone here automatically believes are receivers are going to pick up the slack from Marshall absence, the Oline will be hands down better, the D will play like it did in the first half of last year, Orton will continue to improve and Josh will grow as a coach. What if this doesnt happen?

    Here’s a link from Rich Gossen. Gossen is generally regarded as one of the best in the business. He ranks the Broncos 26th.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/061410dnspogosselinnflrankings.3a223bc.html

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    by johnnystarr on Jun 17, 2010 5:44 PM MDT reply actions  

    but the rebuttle is similar!

    What if the receivers not only pick up the slack but do 10x better than Marshall?
    What if the O-Line allows 0 sacks this year and gets to the second level every play?
    What if the D plays BETTER than last season?
    What if Orton is better than Peyton Manning?
    What if Josh grows leaps and bounds?
    What if this DOES happen?

    It’s OK to have a wait and see attitude I’m there. Honestly, I put the Broncos ceiling at 10-6 this year. I don’t think we have the TEAM (notice i didn’t say talent) that is ready to go beyond that! I would be happy if I was wrong but I think the 8-8 to 10-6 range is a good place to place my bets!

    its as easy to say 0-16 as it is 16-0 in the off season! Personally I rank the Broncos around the 15-18 range.

    Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

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    by Jon Tollerud on Jun 17, 2010 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

    THats fair

    My point was simple. I have no problems with how Walters view us. Lots of question marks right now. Hopefully they get answered in a favorable fashion.

    You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

    You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen

    by johnnystarr on Jun 19, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'm not saying were gonna go 16-0

    I just want to be fair, I see a lot of criticism of both the MSM and others! I am critical of what I love and there are many things I take issue with on our team right now. but I’m gonna wait until the pads go on to see what happens!

    Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

    "Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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    by Jon Tollerud on Jun 19, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

    What I think

    Marshall is not replacable. But, he is not as irreplacable as many would like you to believe. The recievers will be less without Marshall. yet, they have enough talent in themselves to still be in the top half of the league in receptions.
    OTs depends on Clady, if he can’t play the OT’s will be worse basically because its the left Tackle that is injured instead of the right. If Clady and harris play OT is better. OG is better. A number of players is better than Hochstein. OC I’d call a wash a savvy veteran with deminishing skills replaced by a good but inexperienced rookie. OLine will be a little bit better 2 rookies playing next to each other scares me.
    What will make this team better is the off field factors. Everybody being comfortable with the new schemes. The elimination of the internal discent. The overall improved depth on the team.

    Now that that is over.....

    by 3nS on Jun 17, 2010 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

    That would be nice

    My first reaction to your statement was that you had drank too much orange Kool-Aid. So I took a look at last year’s rookie wide-receivers. Six of the top 10 wide receivers chosen had years similar to what you are forecasting for our two rookie wide receivers:

    Michael Crabtree – 48 catches and 625 yards.
    Jeremy Maclin – 55 catches and 762 yards.
    Hakeem Nicks – 47 catches and 790 yards.
    Kenny Britt – 42 catches and 701 yards.
    Percy Harvin – 60 catches and 790 yards.
    Austin Collie – 60 catches and 676 yards.

    I doubt Gaffney will match those numbers, especially since Eddie Royal’s production is expected to increase this year – but it would be nice.

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    by Alan_Smithee on Jun 18, 2010 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

    If you can

    check out Gaffney in the Eagles game last year…. tough, smart, quick, good decisions all over the field, great hands.

    However, if you do watch, I would suggest taking removing your socks and opening up your mind, cause Gaffney will KNOCK OFF THE FORMER and BLOW THE LATTER.

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    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 18, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I don’t know. I watched all 16 games last year and Gaff was pretty invisible in many of them. We don’t need a one or two hit wonder that does nothing for long stretches.

    We need a guy that makes it happen on most Sunday’s. Gaff has NEVER been this player in this 6 year career.

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    by McGeorge on Jun 20, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

    I'll say this

    I don’t know how he would do as a 16 game starter. I wouldn’t have high expectations.

    But things I know about him:
    -He is tough. He doesn’t go down on first contact, and he fights for yardage.
    -He is smart. He knows every position, every route.

    Gaff and Royal shared the #2 duties last year, and I don’t think either of them is best suited for that. As a result, production from that spot wasn’t great, but then, the offense wasn’t going to have two 100 catch WRs last year anyways.

    Gaffney’s role should be the as the “X”, the guy who can play in relief for any WR who needs a break during the game, and who can move to any of the starting slots in case of an injury. That was how he was used at the end of the year last year, due to injuries and benchings, and he performed well, stepping up as needed. His efforts in those losses wasn’t the problem.

    2010 could see that timeline reversed. He may see more playing time at the beginning of the season, and less at the end, when Decker returns and Thomas has been in the offense for most of the year. then he will return to being the “as-needed” guy.

    I expect that he will be one of our starters at the beginning of the season, due to injuries/rookies. I also expect that he will perform as well at the beginning of the season as he did last year at the end.

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    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
    Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?

    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 21, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

    My Take - Yes I am no expert!

    Offense
    -Royal better get his head out of his @ He needs to also return kicks.
    -Orton is going to suprise people this year if the O-line can give him time
    -not to keen on Gaffney.
    -running backs should be ok, but not much depth
    -Love Spencer at full back. He knows how to lay the smack down
    - TE will be fine. I like Graham

    Defense
    -D line is weak. I dought we will see much improvement
    -Linebackers – Doom is great. Williams was ok, let’s hope he improves this year. Moss ahead of Ayers. This give me a sad feeling
    -Secondary should be fine. Let’s hope age does not catch up to them yet. sounds like we got a couple of prospects in the draft
    -Kicking game no worries

    Draft
    I was puzzled with several of the draft picks. I hope they turn out (both first round picks), but I feel like we had a Raider draft this year. Maybe they passed the curse on to us.

    Home field advantage is gone. Tear down the stadium…..

    I went to the Steeler game last year and it was scary all the steeler fans.

    FYI, St.Pete/Clearwater beaches are not covered in oil! Come on down and visit!

    The good news is I am not a bucs fan! Talk about bad owners. I think the Glazers are broke…….. They bought Manchester United for several billion a couple years ago and now they have no money on the bucs.

    Be glad you have Pat Bowlen. He is a class act!

    An what the hell is up with moving the super bowl to cold weather. Somebody has pictures of Goodell.

    Well hopefully the Broncos will be in the 2015 super bowl which better be awarded to Tampa! You can all stay at my house!

    "3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!

    by scottwchicago on Jun 17, 2010 6:47 PM MDT reply actions  

    You know you are a red neck when.....

    Sorry just found out that our “Ford Amphitheatre” had it’s name rights changed over for the next 3 years to.

    1-800-ask-gary amphitheatre. You think I am kidding. Can’t wait for this recession to be over

    Does anyone know how many days until oboma is out. Let the countdown begin…………

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    by scottwchicago on Jun 17, 2010 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

    We probably ought to stick to football

    and while I don’t care much for either one of the guys mentioned above, I thought the recession was initiated by the “dot com crash” in March of 2000.

    "All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

    by Horsepower on Jun 17, 2010 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

    the recession is all George WAAHINGTON's Fault

    if he hadn’t led us into victory over the English we would have an economy to crash - Blast Him!

    Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

    "Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
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    by Jon Tollerud on Jun 18, 2010 12:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Oh, I don't prefer one party or the other, HP

    I just think that if you’re going to complain on a football site about the president, you might know when the recession started or at least how to spell his name. Little stuff…

    Gnothi Seauton

    by Doc Bear on Jun 18, 2010 1:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

    walter

    you sir are an idiot

    by vmec on Jun 17, 2010 9:42 PM MDT reply actions  

    I rec'd this McGeorge for the character part in general...

    I disagree with a large portion of it though and don’t have time to counter…See ya tomorrow maybe.

    by bfree2bronc on Jun 17, 2010 11:02 PM MDT reply actions  

    McGeorge, you are a jerk!

    Just kidding, I know you didn’t write this.

    Walter Football man is a major tool though, and you know his comment on the Tebow pick? “Can’t Grade: Biased”

    Credibility=shot. He should have wrote this—Denver Broncos preview: Can’t write one, BIASED.

    The dude hates the Broncos, to the point that I can’t stand reading his sarcastic petty mock drafts in the offseason where he includes terrible sarcasm about Josh McDaniels.

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    by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 18, 2010 12:05 AM MDT reply actions  

    Walter Football likes Tebow as much as you do. That is why he couldn’t grade the pick. Same reason you could not. You have a dog in the fight so you are biased, just like Walter.

    I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!

    by McGeorge on Jun 18, 2010 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

    No

    I could still give out a grade on the pick. I thought he’d be a good fit for the Broncos since last July.

    A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

    by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 18, 2010 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Walter puts his money where his mouth is

    NFL Picks (2009): 151-124-9 ($3,370)
    NFL Picks (2008): 136-125-6 ($4,330)
    NFL Picks (2007) 162-135-10, (+$2,550)

    As a fellow degenerate gambler the man has helped me make a lot of money over the last few years. (The British bookies give roughly the same odds as Vegas – so I can usually just follow Walter’s picks line by line)

    He’s gets some wrong of course. So do all pundits. But his record shows he gets more right than wrong.

    Do all of you get everything you predict right in life?? No? Thought not.

    I see some of you have gone with the usual “wah wah wah he hates the Broncos” line. He doesn’t hate the Broncos. He’s given his assesment of them.

    Some of you really need to stop whining about this mythical self-absorbed “the MSM hate Denver” rubbish.

    We’re an 8-8 team until our players and coaches go out there and PROVE that they are not.

    by British Bronco on Jun 18, 2010 2:32 AM MDT reply actions  

    We are an 8-8 team...not a 6-10 team...and yeah...this guys has a HUGE reputation of taking personal shots at McDaniels and the Broncos....

    Glad he helped you win money, thats awesome. But the guy is an arse!

    You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

    by boydy2669 on Jun 18, 2010 6:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Numbers don’t lie, so Walter has proven over time to be a good analyst overall.
    However, this does not mean that he is completely objective. My sense is that he has a blind spot where a few teams are concerned (who doesn’t, we are all human). For this reason, I like his work overall, but I would take what he says about the Broncos with a grain of salt.

    In fact, were I a betting man, I wouldn’t bet on Broncos games anyway because I couldn’t trust myself to be objective. I know that Colin Cowherd has his detractors on this site (deservedly so to some extent, although my take is that much of what he says is inflammatory by design — he is primarily an entertainer after all), but he has some great advice on betting during one of his shows a few years ago:

    1. Don’t bet on games where you have a personal emotional investment in the outcome.
    2. Don’t bet on “rivalry” games or “big” games — the outcomes are too unpredictable, especially in college games.
    3. Vegas sets betting lines to get even money on both sides not based on who is the better team — they don’t care about the relative quality of the teams. They merely respond to public opinion and the actions of bettors.

    by DoubleJay on Jun 18, 2010 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

    I agree Doublejay - I only bet money on the Broncos when Walter has picked the Broncos to beat the spread

    It’s just too painful otherwise!!

    BTW One thing Walter does very well is sniff out shady Vegas lines.

    by British Bronco on Jun 18, 2010 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

    The Walter guy may have proven to be pretty good at gambling on football on a week by week basis, but I don’t see how that translates over to "good analyst" at all. I mean if a guy said he finished in the top 3 of his fantasy football league every year would you necessarily think, "man, that guy must be good at breaking down defensive line play and evaluating the career trajectories of players and their ability to recover from injuries." I wouldn’t. I would think that he is good at playing fantasy football. Walter is good at gambling on football games. But that’s as much, if not more, about knowing how Vegas sets the lines and how people are moving on them then about being able to evaluate the intricate details of a team.

    by asdqqq on Jun 18, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Agree...

    Winning at gambling is much more about spotting irrational majority opinions rather than actually knowing much about football.

    For example, if you can see a week 4 game between an 0-3 team that got beat by 3 playoff teams vs. a 3-0 team that beat 3 patsies… its easy money. The line will be biased because the majority doesn’t understand small sample size or the effects of schedule strength… it doesn’t guaruntee a win, but its as safe a bet as you’ll find.

    Now of course, there is always a random element and teams change, which makes it fun… but uderstanding that randomn element and majority psychology is as much or more important to gambling success than actual analysis of team quality.

    I’ll take the “over” a 6-win denver projection, because the psychology of the majority says losing BM/Scheffler is a killer, even though most indicators point to the team being decidedly mediocre again. The other side of that coin is that much fewer people are talking about Clady’s injury, yet that really could sink the season.

    by cjfarls on Jun 18, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

    +1

    Also, I would point out that he isn’t exactly picking winners when he gives his game by game proposition recommendations, he is giving line advice. If I go through and pick the favorites (in the NFL) I’ll have a win percentage over 75% most likely, but I will probably lose money anyways, due to losing vig on every winning bet. Winning money on sports betting is only marginally related to how teams are built for the season, similar to the way that day trading is only marginally related to the principles of sound business. In order of importance, managing your money wisely, shopping for lines and managing risk are the skills you need. Knowledge of the sport, let alone in depth knowledge of every team is waaaay down the list of important skills. A degree in statistics and an understanding of probablility are more valuable than having Tony Dungy’s brain. And the reason is that Dungy knows you can’t predict the winner of any given contest. Statisticians knows that the law of large numbers, and patience, can be a fulcrum with which to leverage guessing games.

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    Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
    Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
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    by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 18, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

    He makes personal shots at everybody - it's not out of hatred for the Broncos - we need to get over ourselves

    In fact he described Broncos fans last week as very loyal. And if he did hate the Broncos why did he gove excellent grades for a lot of picks for example.

    by British Bronco on Jun 18, 2010 8:00 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

    I, at least, react negatively to this article not because of the win total prediction or because of his negative conclusions, but because how he reaches them is so patently illogical that it makes my head hurt. I feel stupider for having read what he is saying. For example, as pointed out above, he concludes that Gaffney can’t be a number 1 WR in this league. I’ve got no problem with this conclusion. But look how he gets there.

    It’s hard to imagine Denver’s offense rebounding in the wake of Marshall and Scheffler leaving for Miami and Detroit, respectively. The Broncos played without those two in the season finale, and the weak-armed Kyle Orton tossed three interceptions, two of which were returned for touchdowns. Apparently, Jabar Gaffney isn’t a legitimate No. 1 receiver.
    It sure looks like he is saying Gaffney’s performance in the season finale a) caused Orton to throw 3 interceptions, 2 returned for touchdowns and b) showed he isn’t a legitimate No. 1 receiver and can’t possibly replace Marhsall. Let’s look at that rationally. Gaffney was targeted 19 times and caught 14 balls, a 73.7% rate that is better than Marshall’s 67.8% rate for the year. He had 213 yards. Only one interception thrown by Orton was thrown towards Gaffney, and that was the only one for the whole year on a throw in his direction. Marshall had 4, including 4 out of the 6 games in which he was thrown to 10 or more times. You just can’t reach Walter’s conclusion based on that game. It’s ludicrous. It makes my head hurts, and it indicates that this is someone whose analysis should be entirely disregarded. Maybe not his conclusions, b/c maybe somewhere inside the screwy logic is some sort of idiot-savant luck that helps him win football bets, but I’m not betting on games anyways, so this has no value for me.

    by asdqqq on Jun 18, 2010 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

    Apparently, Jabar Gaffney isn’t a legitimate No. 1 receiver.

    That one is a strange comment to be coming off that particular game.

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    by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 18, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

    To quote Monty Python

    “My brain hurts!”

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    by Doc Bear on Jun 18, 2010 1:27 PM MDT reply actions  

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