Horse Tracks - 6/2/10
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so I wonder how much truth there is in that Klis mailbag about Nolan vs McDaniels
As I was told by several players, the beginning of the end for Nolan was the Indianapolis Colts’ game — the 13th of the season. To review, the Broncos carried an 8-4 record into that game, having won their last two. McDaniels won the coin toss, deferred, and then Peyton Manning put the Colts up 21-0 after three possessions.
During that 21-0 blitzkrieg, Nolan called some plays — particularly the run-blitz — that McDaniels didn’t like. The hostile way McDaniels handled that communication breakdown was not well-received by Nolan. A month and four consecutive losses later, Nolan and McDaniels mutually agreed to part ways, without much comment.
In Martindale, McDaniels figures to have a more obedient defensive coordinator without losing much aggressiveness. Martindale’s background, after all, is rooted in the Buddy-Rex-Rob Ryan defensive school of attack, attack, attack.
Very interesting reading indeed
I definitely raised an eyebrow at that
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Klis and Woddy switched places. Now Woddy is the McD regime mouthpiece and Klis is stirring up controversy.
Those guys at the DP needed to spice things up I suppose.
Wink has some awfully big and talented shoes to fill. In 2009, Nolan did an unquestionably better job of coaching the D than McD did with the offense.
I wonder if McD has hostile with a mirror after all his idiotic 3rd/4th and short run up the middle plays that continuously failed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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How can you pin Nolan getting his panties in a wad on McD?
Would you rather have a coach that didn’t get hostile when our D plays that kind of game? The way I see it, Nolan couldn’t stand the heat, so he got out of the Broncos’ kitchen. Forget the first six games and our D was downright terrible. Hell the Chiefs, THE CHIEFS, ran the ball all over us.
As for our problem with short yardage, IMO we’re addressing that with larger linemen (Shannahan’s smaller zone blockers always had problems with short yardage) and getting some QBs in the mix that can establish the deep threat.
McD admitted he didn’t have a great first year, but for a first time coach who had a lot of overhauling to do, I’d say he did a pretty damn good job.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jun 2, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Forget the first six games? The games the D won pretty much single handedly. I didn’t know we don’t count regular season games. I tend to factor in all 16 games and include the first 6, when we won and the D played well. I guess I’m just being unfair to include the whole season in my full season review.
Our O sucked pretty much all season thanks to some predictable, angry and ineffective play calling . Let’s not forget McD’s inability to adjust to our opponents or counter their counter moves.
It was bizarre that we lost all three rematches in 2009 (all home L’s no less). That screams off poor coaching. Both from Nolan and McD. I have a hard time with McD pointing any fingers in 2009 when he made copious errors and got nothing but worse as a coach as the season wore on.
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Its amazing
how people see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe.
Our defense carried the team the majority of the season yet the defense is still the scapegoat for the horrendous showing on offense last year.
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No Johnny. Our D is only the scapegoat at MHR. That is because the run D let down and that can be blamed largely on coaches and a few players that are no longer here.
Much easier to falsely point fingers there than at McD and his offense, which is still largely intact.
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????
Seriously McGeorge…lay off the McCrack. Offense largely in tact? No Marshall, no Scheff, Harris just now getting back on the field, at least two new starters in the O-line. McDaniels has done plenty of work on the offensive side of the ball as well as the D.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
No Scheff is like not taking a basketball on a fishing trip. McD didn’t use him anyway.
Trading Marshall was a choice the organization wanted and consciously made.
Losing Hamilton and Weigmann means we lost our two worst starters in 2009.
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I definitely think you missed some meds today
McD didn’t use Scheff? Maybe that is because Scheff is a little one-dimensional eh? I think he used him the SD game though…100+ yards right?
Doesn’t matter who made what choice, Marshall is gone and that is a very big change to the offense.
Again, change in the offense. Your point above was that the offense was still largely in tact, which I could fairly dispute on the Marshall trade alone (he was like 50% of our offense….a point you’ve made elsewhere).
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I’ll conceed your point about 2010 O being intact. Scheff was always a so-so Bronco and Ben/Weigmann were horrible last season. But Marshall was far and away our best skill position player and now he is gone.
That is a big change.
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Thank you sir
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
The reason I forget the first 6 is because
It quit working after that. Teams caught on to the tricks we were using, like switching Doom from side to side. Sure, he still had great games, but we no longer had a #1 defense by any means. And if teams caught onto it in the last 10 games this past season, we couldn’t keep the status quo going into next year.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jun 4, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
So a good coach finds new tricks.
We never had a #1 D in terms of talent. That our D was even top half of the NFL in 2009 is attributed to Nolan’s excellence and some very good FA signings by McD.
We needed to make even more changes to a pretty sorry 2009 O, but promoting McD’s little bro to QB coach was not what I had in mind. Losing Turner and Dennison don’t exactly scream upgrade either, but I’ll wait and see on those moves.
McD’s little bro as QB coach is a farce. A bad joke on us.
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I agree a new coach finds new tricks
But I didn’t feel like Nolan was. I could be totally wrong on this (as my Madden playpicking ability proves), but from what I’ve read on the situation, Wink will have us playing more aggressive next season and not relying on gadgets that can become predictable. Either way though, I’m very excited about our lineup on D, and hope we get a system that will work all year long.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jun 4, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
hmm
McD’s little bro as QB coach is a farce. A bad joke on us.
I am 100% certain you have nothing to back this up.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 6, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
If you slice it certain ways, yes that is correct
But it wasn’t that offense that completely fell on their faces in the last half of the season…yeah if they were putting up 30 pts per game we would have done better, but the defense had everything to do with us not having a better record in the last half.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
And the offense have everything to do with not playing well for an entire season. The D won us several games. You can’t say the same about the O. It’s not even close.
The D was much better in 2009 than the O. Which is crazy considering how bad they sucked in 2008 and how much change they endured (scheme and players).
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I call BS
You need to go back and look at the games before you spout this type of junk. Of the 8 wins I credit 2 solidly to the defense (vs Cin, NY), 2 solidly to the offense (Dallas, NE), and the rest a clear credit to both. Go look at the recaps.
The D was NOT much better than the O…they gave up WAY too many points, 3rd downs, etc as the season wore on. Go look. Let’s take a measuring stick to it…saying the O needs to score more than 20 and the D needs to hold opponents to less than 20…they both did their jobs in 8 games.
I agree the D stepped up HUGE vs 2008. But seriously….we could have fielded any Division I college Defense last year and it would have been a step up from the 2008 guys.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
We scored 10 freaking points vs Dallas until Marshall went crazy with his last TD. We won 17-10. You want to give that one to the O. Go stick that where the sun don’t shine. Rubbish!
The Browns got 6 points (partly because Hillis can’t hold onto the ball)
The Raiders put up 3 total points on us.
We beat NE 20-17 in OT so our awesome O managed 17 whooping regulation points (Marshall had both TDs). Same game our ST allowed TWO penalties on punts that turned into automatic 1st downs (i.e. turnovers).
We beat SD 34-23 based on two ST returns for TDs (and Scheff having a monster game)
Our awesome Offense scored 7 pts on the Ravens, 3 pts on the Steelers (Ayers had the other seven), and 3 more points on San Diego. Great job McD and Co.
We rebounded to score 17 total points on a horrible Washington team (again, Marshall had both TDs). Same game our ST allowed the worst 4th and 26th conversion in the history of the franchise.
Then Our D allowed 6 total points to the NYG and 13 points to KC.
Our O managed a blisting 16 total points vs Indy when Marshall had an astonishing game and single handedly kept that one close.
Our O then managed a scoring 19 points at home to another terrible Oakland team.
The O played pretty well for what seemed like the 1st time all season in a 27-30 loss to Philly
Then our O played another garbage game where Orton threw two TDs to KC and we managed 17 total points (the other seven came via a Ty Law pick return to the one year line).
As you should be able to clearly see, the BS is what is coming out of you pal.
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LOL
Yeah I give it to the Offense…the Defense sure as he77 didn’t score the points now did they? That was a superior offensive play that won that…and it wasn’t a fluke like the Immaculate Deflection vs Cincy.
Browns: 25 1st downs by the offense, 250 + passing yards with 0 INT, 175+ rushing yards. I’d say the offense contributed quite well…how are you going to dispute these stats?
Raiders: 21 1st downs, 215 yards rushing by the offense. I’d say the offense did their share of good football in that game too.
NE: What does ST have to do with our discussion? Defense vs Offense, remember? And as a counter to your statement, the defense gave up 17 points. Again, our offense delivered the game at the end. That was a great drive FTW by our OFFENSE.
SD: Thank you for pointing out how well our offense worked in this game by taking advantage of Scheff. :) SD had a ST TD too by the way…agan, why are you talking ST?
You can stop talking about losses now as your point earlier was having to do with what side of the ball earned us wins. Nice try to start arguing in circles though with this discussion about Balt, Pitts, and SD game 2 though along with your forays into ST.
Yup…as I stated, D won us NYG and KC.
Indy: Where was our defense there? Yeah the offense didn’t put points up, but do you remember why we were in such a hole to begin with? I recall the D falling apart in the first half all over the place….hmmm
Oak: Yeah, and how did our vaunted defense do against THE WORST QB IN NFL HISTORY??? Right…
Philly: Yeah they did…and again the defense lacked at the end of the season.
KC: And don’t forget that the vaunted defense gave up over 200 yards rushing to the friggin KC chefs. Tell me again how our offense was to blame for this one???
I see you trying to make the BS come out of me, but it isn’t working. There is plenty of room for improvement on BOTH sides of the ball. This team was mediocre last year and it was ABSOLUTELY NOT a team that had a great defense and a sub-par offense as you would like to picture it. So, feel free to go paint your happy trees all you want, but if you go Bob Ross here, I’ll call you out on it every time.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
You are the one smoking the MHR crack. The D was awesome in several games last season (Cincy, Browns, Raiders, Cowboys, NYG, Chefs). They were so-so in a few and bad in a few.
The offense didn’t not produce even won awesome or great game. In fact, they were awful in several games and struggled most of the season. They were not mediocre, the offense was a liability. They had two or three good games, no great games and several horrible games.
Here are some cold hard stats.
Our offense ranked 20th in points scored / 15th in yards gain.
Our D ranked 12th in points allowed / 7th in yards allowed.
Our O had the 22nd best third conversion rate.
Our D had the 13th best third down stop rate.
Our O had the 27th best 4th down conversion rate (38.9%)
Our D had the 14th best 4th down stop rate (50%)
It’s pretty clear which unit did better in these MAJOR stat categories.
Our D was 9th in takeaways. Our O was 9th best in giveaways, so that is a wash. Good for both groups.
Feel free to keep propagating the lies that somehow the O and D were equal (in their mediocrity)in 2009. But it’s a lie. The D was better (hands down) and was really let down by their offensive counterparts on many occasions. By season’s end, both units were inconsistent and playing poorly for large stretches (hence a 2-8) or 0-4. But at least the D played well for a significant portion of the season. A claim the offense cannot make. The O never got it together for more than a quarter or two at a time. They didn’t improve and they never excelled. Based on how easily we moved the ball in 2008, the regression was really disappointing.
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We could go on and on, but I'll let my above details speak for themselves
Enough arguing in circles and cherry picking stats. Let me clear this up for you:
And the offense have everything to do with not playing well for an entire season. The D won us several games. You can’t say the same about the O. It’s not even close.
The D was much better in 2009 than the O. Which is crazy considering how bad they sucked in 2008 and how much change they endured (scheme and players).
As I showed above, the offense did quite well off and on…look at the game by game basis and it is very simple and clear for any average person…I’d think and exceptional intellect like you could easily concede that.
The D won us 2 games as far as I can see…not several.
The O won us 2 games …hmm about the same as the D. Imagine that!
When you look at the overall season and THE most important stat (W – L), I’d say they both were mediocre. Now ask me if I thought one was better than the other and I’d say yes, the Defense performed overall better than the offense, but to call the offense inept for the entire season is ignorant at best.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I guess I now see that you just don’t know much about football. I didn’t do what some many at MHR do and cherry pick some stat and suddenly project a guy likes Ayers to be a Pro Bowler.
I picked the major stats, everyone I could think of. Points, yards, turnovers, 3rd and 4th down efficiency, other than TOP, that is pretty much NFL football. I used the whole season to get the largest sample size I could. How is that cherry picking? Oh yea, it’s not.
As there are 32 teams in the NFL, a ranking in the 16th range would be mediocre.
Denver’s D was better than mediocre in every major statistical category, every single one.
Our offense was worse or about average in every major statistical category except turnovers.
That pretty much says it all. If you think our offense won us a few games last year, you probably also think the 2009 Broncos won the Super Bowl. I can’t NOT make you believe in fairy tales. Meds? You need to stop licking the acid when you watch Bronco games. What you see will make more sense that way. The D wasn’t a little better, it was much better over 2009. Nolan’s coaching wasn’t a little better than McD’s, it was much better. Wink was a part of the D coaching staff so let’s hope he can keep us going.
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(sits watching this discussion with rapt fascination)
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Just because I have a very different perspective than you doesn’t mean you need to start slinging insults about my football IQ. Especially when you know better than that about me. It is trollish and much above you.
I flat-out disagree with your line of thinking to the point of thinking you are wearing some very interesting glasses. Slinging mud at me isn’t going to change the fact that I think you are wrong…and as I stated above, I’ll let my previous arguments speak for themselves.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
yards don’t mean jack, points are what win games
I would settle for 100 yards passing, 50 yards rushing if it meant we scored 30 points.
That is why I decided to use points, yards, turnovers and 3/4th down efficiency. Sums it all up without holes or leaving anything out.
Those stats shows the 2009 O was pretty damn disappointing and the 2009 D was pretty solid.
But yards do mean jack. More yards means your team has a better TOP and works with better field position. That should mean jack something to you because I know it means jack something to EVERY NFL coach.
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That's a pretty funny little back-and-forth
In the major point being argued here – “The D won several games and the O didn’t” vs. “The offense won us two games, the defense won us two (and four split)”(paraphrased) – I’ve decided to take it upon myself (as All Powerful Supreme King Justice and Ruler of all Things) to make a ruling on who wins the debate…
One point McGeorge.
In the eyes of this court, the argument that the NE and Dallas game were won by the offense is found lacking. 17 offensive points (in regulation) in each of those games is not enough scoring to support the claim that the game was won by the offense. 17 points isn’t elite, it isn’t sick or awesome; it’s not special or great in any way. (Yards and first-downs isn’t enough to support the claim either, scoring wins games.)
Conversely, the defense holding several opponents to seven points or less, certainly does acheive that “special” and “great” status. This court finds that giving away such a low amount of points is enough to convince a common fan that the defense was responsible for the win.
Congratulations McGeorge… You win nothing =) Court is adjourned
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
Of course it is
It matches that magic reality you live in where our offense and McDaniel’s coaching were THE only reasons we didn’t make the playoffs last year.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
You sir are a phony judge
There is not a fine large enough to match the contempt I have for this court. You elvisalex can take your decision and shove it. :)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I don't care who the DC was
if I was a HC and I saw us give up 21 points to a team I knew intimately, I’d be livid if the DC didn’t make the adjustments I asked for. People seem to give Nolan all the credit for when the D played well, and McD the blame when the D sucked eggs. IMO, they both deserve some credit for the Ws and copious blame for the Ls.
I’m not necessarily happy with the way he handled it, if what has been stated here is correct, but I do hope (as it appears) that Josh is as critical of himself as he is of the decisions made by his staff.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 2, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
“but I do hope (as it appears) that Josh is as critical of himself as he is of the decisions made by his staff”
Based on his behavior, I highly doubt this to be the case. McD has been a finger pointer thus far and it has rubbed a lot of guys the wrong way.
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won't deny I've seen some finger pointing
I move to strike “(as it appears)” from the record. I have seen him be self-deprecating on occasion, and indicate that he didn’t view his first year’s personal effort as satisfactory, but I’ll admit that isn’t the same thing as accepting blame.
Still, this seems to take us to the same complaint that mired people about Shanahan (and, for that matter, pretty much any HC around the league who hasn’t produced a winning record in the last four or five years), complaining about him firing coordinators, assigning blame everywhere else but himself.
Ultimately, the HC assumes ALL responsibility. Is there really an HC in the league that doesn’t acknowledge that? So when things fall apart, when there are honest professional conflicts, heated differences, and even when there is audacious inexperience or rote stubbornness or any of a myriad of other characteristics of an ego-fueled position, what should an HC do? Nothing? Fire himself? Make adjustments? Learn from it?
That decision is the HC’s prerogative. If he gets intransigent and the team suffers as a result, he gets fired. As it should be. If he learns from it, he becomes a better coach. But it’s his responsibility and his decision.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 7:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Let’s see if he understands this in 2010. He proved he didn’t in 2009.
As I’ve said all along, for a guy with no experience heading into last season, he sure seems to think he KNOWS a lot of best practices. Being set in your convictions is scary for a kid that hasn’t been around the block before. You saw his lack of flexibility on far too many occasions in 2009 and it rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way. Ultimately, his inflexibility proved unsuccessful and lead to some really bad losses and public discourse.
IMO, McD, is still a long long long way from being a great and impactful talent in this league. Nothing in 2009 showed me he made ANY progress as a HC (esp on game day or in weekly prep). That we lost every rematch (all at home no less) and most of our games after teams got us on film screams of bad coaching because we couldn’t counter punch.
I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!
Those are fair criticisms
and whatever the extenuating circumstances, he’s earned them fairly. Here’s hoping we see a better grasp of it next year. I didn’t expect miracles from a rookie HC but, sideline histrionics aside, this team needs to contend. And soon.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember watching that game when
McD deferred after winning the coin toss and thinking, “what the hell are they thinking”?!
Not a good idea to allow Peyton to set the pace of the game. I doubt McD will make that mistake again.
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by SoCalBoltFan on Jun 2, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
McD knows Peyton as well as anybody
There was a lot of speculation about that call, but he wouldn’t have made it if he didn’t have a reason.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 2, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
this was endlessly debated
here.
I’m not saying it was wrong or right — just that you don’t make a decision like that against a team you know well without a modicum of thought going into it. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don’t. It’s football.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions
He had a reason to make the Alphonso Smith trade.
Just because he has a reason doesn’t make it a good or smart reason.
I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!
As I recall, you didn’t have a problem with the deferral when it happened — your complaint was more with the poorly conceived and executed game plan.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t care about kickoffs, I was just saying that making decisions isn’t hard or courageous… like many of our Politicians (past and present) would want you to believe.
Making good decisions is what it is about.
I'm rooting for Team USA at the World Cup!
Agreed.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
and go Team USA!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Not surprising
I wonder if McDaniels decided to yell at himself for that game, for that was probably one of the worst offensive called games all year. The 21-0 downfall wasn’t helped by McDaniels giving the ball right back to the Colts every possession. I also remember our defense bailed us out by getting some picks later to actually give us a chance to be competitive.
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The Clevland Patriots of Denver.
Ha! Shanahan traded for every Brown in Ohio and now McD goes after NE cast offs. I hope Davis is a good pick-up, we need linebackers to go with a big shiney new D-Line :)
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by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Jun 2, 2010 8:13 AM MDT reply actions
We have a few Eagles, too
Don’t forget them. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 2, 2010 3:05 PM MDT up reply actions
and Dolphins
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 2, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I think they adjusted his medication...
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick
Woody loves McD
Thinks he’ll bring us SB victories. I hate it when he’s right.
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No no
Woody loves Tebow. He was very anti-McD overall until this year’s draft.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
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lol yeah I noticed that too. He was alwasy bashing McD before the draft and before he got rid of Marshall
Now he is a loyal supporter. Weird how fickle people can be.
by BroncoMath101 on Jun 2, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank you sir
:)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Thanks John
There are some great links there.
I was pleasantly surprised by Paige’s article & was wondering about the accuracy of Klis’.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
By golly, does Woody have a ... man crush ... on McDaniels?
What an upbeat column — worth reading for a few nice insights.
Here’s my fave:
McDaniels is committed to a family locker room. He and John Elway have become friends and will be golf partners this summer. Elway told McDaniels that the Super Bowl champions didn’t have as much talent as other Broncos teams, but they were closer on the field and off and had great leadership, and there were no me-first players. McDaniels’ own beliefs were strengthened by what he heard.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
OMG
“SB teams didn’t have as much talent as other Bronco teams” … is John trying to throw him a bone or has Elway been taking advantage of the new medical marijuana laws. Two HOF on that SB teams, plus probably three more when its all said and done (Sharpe, Nalen, R. Smith) and maybe two others in TD and Atwater. I am curious what other teams had more talent.
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"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
lmao
has Elway been taking advantage of the new medical marijuana laws
You rock, B-man.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Jun 4, 2010 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like Woody is tired of being on Josh's $h!t list...
Finally, he seems to be reading situations, issues, circumstances with an objective eye and ear…’bout time!
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no comments on the paige article yet?
most of the posters over there are probably still collecting their jaws from the floor..
i hope Josh stays in denver for a long, long time and im proud to have a coach that is so passionate about being a denver bronco
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I really liked Paige's article
It was a good read at breakfast this morning. It was nice to see some optimism coming from the media, and it seems like Woody’s become pretty optimistic this offseason about the Broncos’ future.
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Woody Paige!!
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jun 2, 2010 10:57 AM MDT reply actions
Thanks, John.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 2, 2010 11:25 AM MDT reply actions
Paige and Klis seem to be starting to like McD.....
since he, apparently, is letting some things out to scoop on. The best way to get on a writer’s good side is to give them somtheing to write about. Still, sadarine has a good point. Woody is a huge Tebow fan.
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
Welcome to Team-McDaniels, Woody
It’s nice to see. Love these guys or hate these guys, nobody is in better position to assist in fan-acceptance of McDaniels than those writers at the Denver Post.
I love the fact that Elway and McDaniels are hanging out. Maybe Coach can get Elway in the building to work with Tebow from time to time.
I thought it was interesting that McDaniels was described as “shy”. It was at least somewhat obvious that his public speaking was a little lacking, although his personality does shine through, also. Interesting that he hired a ‘tutor’ three years ago.
P.S. Regarding the article about the receiver positions, am I crazy for thinking Decker, rather than Royal, will be our slot guy of the future, ?
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hey guys
sorry i been away i took a meneal vacation
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
Hey j-man...Good to see you...Hope you are well!
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by BroncoSense72 on Jun 2, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too!
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i am preey good
looking foward to preseason mags
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
j-man...I am an avid antique hunter and love to nose around in shops...
If you give me a list of the specific mags and some dates that would be related to what you are looking for I will keep an eye out for you…Just send me an e-mail (in my profile) with more information and I am happy to help.
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by BroncoSense72 on Jun 3, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
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