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2010 Denver Broncos Positional Preview - Offensive Line

Historically, the offensive line is one of the most tight-knit units on a football team, and Bronco fans should be at least somewhat used to that.  Dating back to the 90's, the Broncos have been a pretty consistent model for the NFL of what it means to build a solid offensive line.  Even though they struggled in 2009, there is still quite a bit of talent up front for the Broncos.

But switching from a zone bloching scheme to a power scheme is not the easiest transition for a group of guys, and it showed in 2009.  The Broncos had a stellar performance all around from their line in 2008, one in which they allowed the least amount of sacks in the NFL per pass.  One in which they paved the way for a top 12 rushing offense despite seven different starters in the backfield.

Heading into 2009, the offensive line had at least somewhat high expectations given their performance in '08 and their infusion of promising youth.

While the transition from zone blocking to power blocking came with plenty of kinks, it might be the least of the Broncos' worries.  The injury bug has bitten the Broncos' offensive line, and it has bitten it hard.

Star-divide

Attempting his best Kobe Bryant impression (or, playing basketball), All-Pro left tackle Ryan Clady partially tore his patellar tendon over the summer--an injury which many players can take quite a while to recover from.

Ryan Harris, one of the league's best right tackles, injured his toe around mid-season in 2009 and has just recently returned to practice after re-aggrivating it later in the season.

But not all is bad for the offensive line in Denver.  Many consider it to be the biggest question mark on the Denver Broncos.  Some are even saying that the season hinges on whether or not the Broncos' offensive line can find some type of cohesion, and right now, a lot of it is just uncertainty.

Who are these guys?

If the season started today, the Bronco offensive line would look vastly different than any fan would like to see come opening day.  A lot hinges on the development of Ryan Clady's partially torn patellar tendon, an injury the Broncos believe will keep Clady off the field no later than the pre-season.

Some are not so optimistic.

I have heard prognostications from two months to a year and a half, so you can see why a lot of Broncos fans are scrambling for truth.  Ryan Clady said himself that he hopes to be back for training camp, and while we would all love to see that, there's no use in the training staff rushing this kid back.  Clady needs to be 100 percent before the Broncos should let him come back, because a torn patellar tendon is a very easy injury to repeat.

If forced to make a decision, I'd have to say that Clady's promise is a bit optimistic, though I expect him back for the start of the season.  If the Broncos felt in any way, shape, or form that there was any chance of Clady missing significant time, they would have found a better replacement than they currently have to offer.

For now, I'll project the Broncos' opening day starting left tackle to be 2009 Pro Bowler Ryan Clady, the best left tackle in the NFL.  Clady stands at 6'6" and checks in at a solid 325 pounds, and he is more athletic and nimble on his feet than a lot of tight ends and even some receivers.  Clady's numbers were down in 2010, but just as you can make an argument in favor of them being skewed because of Cutler's athleticism in 2008, you can make an argument against Kyle Orton's lack of escape-ability as well.

Clady is not given a ton of love in the national media seemingly because of a vendetta against Josh McDaniels and the Broncos, but not even the harshest of haters can deny Clady's talent.  He is superb.

Starting opposite Clady will be fourth year pro Ryan Harris, a 6'5" 300 pounder from Notre Dame.  The former Golden-domer took a redshirt of sorts in his rookie season, and has since burst on to the scene as arguably the NFL's best right tackle, but his road just became a bit tougher.

Not only does Harris have the daunting task of avoiding certain injury to his toe, he now has to think at least in some capacity about becoming the protector of the NFL's sacred "blind side" whenever Tim Tebow begins taking snaps in game action.

Harris and Clady are widely considered to be the best bookend tackles in the entire NFL, but their injuries are nothing short of troubling.  Sure, on Madden 11 these guys will be unstoppable.  But real life is not so certain.  Broncos fans will be much more at ease when these two strap on a set of shoulder pads and show that they are healthy rather than simply saying it.

One of the two guard spots will be manned by Denver's newest big-money man, right guard Chris Kuper.  Kuper was a fifth round pick in the 2006 draft and has since turned out to be nothing short of a gem.  Kuper struggled in the new power scheme, which is certainly nothing to be overlooked, but many pundits consider him to be one of the most underrated linemen in the game today.

Money speaks louder than words.

The Broncos obviously saw enough in Kuper to make him one of the cornerstones of this franchise moving into the future.  His role, like Harris', just became a bit more significant potentially with the drafting of Tim Tebow.

The left guard spot will likely be manned by Denver's third pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, second rounder Zane Beadles from Utah.  The All-American played left tackle for the Utes, but he is certainly not limited to that role.  One of the biggest factors in the Broncos' somewhat surprising selection of Beadles in round two was his ability to play both tackle positions and both guard positions.  Initially, the Broncos were going to evaluate Beadles from tackle to guard, but he was recently taking reps with the first team at left guard.

Take that for what you will, but it would certainly be nice if Beadles could step right in to a starting role for the Broncos.  At 6'4" 305 pounds, the mauler is exactly what the Broncos are looking for on the interior.  He's got smarts and he's got grit.

Not unlike the Broncos' current projected starter at the center position, rookie J.D. Walton from Baylor.  Walton was selected by the Broncos in the third round of the 2010 NFL Draft, and has already started assuming a role as the first team center.  Walton reportedly has already gotten comfortable making calls, and is adjusting to the playbook better than anyone could have imagined.

This is not surprising for Walton, who was a long-time starter for the Bears, an All-American, and a high character player.

The Broncos also have a nice trio of players backing up the interior spots in second year player Seth Olsen, rookie Eric Olsen, and wily veteran Russ Hochstein.

Backing up the tackles will be Tyler Polumbus and D'Anthony Batiste, two young players who have seen some playing time in the NFL but have yet to do anything to prove they can be long term starters if the need should arise.

In addition to Hochstein, Olsen, and Olsen, the Broncos also have Dustin Fry to potentially be a backup center should they need one.

 

What about all the rookies?

Clearly, the Broncos are going to have some growing pains in the 2010 season, especially along the interior of the offensive line.  That is, of course, assuming that Zane Beadles and J.D. Walton earn starting positions.  Josh McDaniels has made it very clear that the best player will play, regardless of name or reputation, so it's not out of the question that the Broncos would have two rookie starters on the inside, though it would go against a lot of what we thought we knew about McDaniels.

It might not be easy, but Bronco fans are going to have to live with the ups and downs that come along with being an NFL rookie, especially an offensive lineman.

 

When can we calm down about the injuries to the Ryan's?

 

I believe training camp starts on July 29th.  That's the blunt answer.  Until then, the fretting will continue to run rampant among Broncos Country.  Though it might be easy, we can't really rely on the words of anyone.  Seeing is believing, and in the case of Ryan Clady and Ryan Harris, simply seeing them on the field, wearing pads, and hitting people.

The reality is that Ryan Clady could very well start the season on the PUP, but that would put him out until nearly mid-season regardless of whether or not he is ready to go.

Broncos fans should sit back, take a deep breath, and know that these two super-studs will be on the field when they are 100 percent or as close to it as they can get, and not a moment sooner.

 

Final Analysis

Every pre-season grade I have seen in magazines so far this year gives the Broncos' offensive line a grade anywhere from C- to C+, but nothing better.  I find that hard to believe unless you simply assume they are not going to have the two Ryan's when the season starts.

Games are not won on paper (just ask the San Diego Chargers), but the Broncos do have a fine offensive line when you type it out in black and white.  In fact, with a year under their belts, I would contend that the Broncos have one of the best offensive lines in the conference.

There's no question this unit is the best among all of the AFC West teams, and with a fairly weak trio of defensive lines coming from Oakland, San Diego, and Kansas City, the Broncos may have been cut something of a break.  Not only that, but when the pads are on, no offensive line in the division is going to get as good of a test as the Broncos will coming from their own defensive line, which is also probably the best in the division.

The future is bright for the Broncos' offensive line.  Some more depth is needed on the outside at the tackle positions, and that can very well be addressed in next year's draft.  For now, the main thing the Broncos need to do for this unit to be successful is get healthy, and then stay healthy.

It's not often the five guys up front make it through the season untarnished, but the Broncos seem to have solid depth on the inside and a group of guys who have the talent and ability to play many different positions.  This area of the team has been a large area of focus the last couple of off-seasons, and teams with strength in the trenches can keep a lot of their prettier assets clean.

The Broncos are certainly well on their way.

 

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Another fine job

on this article. Not much can be added—again, IF the Ryans are healthy, and IF the two rookie All-Americans perform at the next level, then we are talking about a monster Oline for years to come.

by showtime01 on Jun 21, 2010 11:51 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree

A lot of people felt the same way about the 2008 offensive line, but I think they definitely showed us something.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 22, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm giving them a C

We have waaaaaaay too many unknowns along the line, including a growing injury history between the two best players, to consider our line anything more than that. We have two guys coming off serious injuries and likely two rookies starting along the line and everyone is still getting comfortable in a drastic schematic switch. Even in the backups we have question marks. Who knows what we have in the Olsens and Hochstein isn’t bad but certainly not stellar and right now our backup center is Dustin Fry. I mean, as an entire unit, how could anyone give this group an A for what they are RIGHT NOW? Absolutely it’s full of potential as I think Walton is going to be a stud but taking an objective look at what we have right now, we’re on real shaky ground here. It’s unreasonable to expect a full season without injury issues and our backup tackle situation is a mess. Polumbus has proven himself to be, errrrrrrrrrr, less than solid.

It’s a group with potential but come on. If Kuper goes down, we have a starting interior of 2 rookies and Russ Hochstein. Assuming we aren’t getting otherworldly performances out of our rookies, I’d say there’s a helluva lot of reason to worry about our O-Line. Truth be told, it’s probably the position I’m MOST worried about this season. There are just so many variables and injury concerns across the entire line that I’m going to be real, real nervous anytime one of the starters is laying down on the ground longer than a second or two.

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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 21, 2010 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

I guess there’s a wait-and-see approach to it. I don’t think our depth at T is adequate yet, but the interior line has a lot of quality players there who can/have started in the NFL. I think we did a nice job of shoring up that area this offseason.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 22, 2010 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great post Sayre

I voted B. The reason being is the question was “As it stands now…” Well, right now Clady is out, and Harris is just returning….

With them both back I give them an A

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by Broncs55 on Jun 21, 2010 12:08 PM MDT reply actions  

You really think the o-line is a B without Clady?

We don’t have a great backup for him and 2 other spots are likely to be held by rookies. I have high hopes for the rookies too, but there is no way we can really be comfortable with them yet. Also, the poll says o-line depth….the fact that we are likely starting 2 rookies indicates we don’t have very good options behind them. I’m an optimistic guy when it comes to the Broncos, but I don’t think we have the depth to deal with any injuries to the o-line.

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by TD4HOF on Jun 21, 2010 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I agree. With those two guys back, the grade is higher. Harris is back, but Clady not so much.

A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 22, 2010 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

I gave them a 'C' as well...

But I could believe they could become an ‘A’ unit in 2011.

Here’s why:

LT: Injury. At the least, the leg is going to be weak for a good chunk of the year and his mobility may be diminished for awhile. Until he’s a 100% again, he won’t be the best in the business.

LG: Rookie

Center: Rookie

RG: Healthy veteran

RT: Injury. May be healthy but has a significant chance of reinjuring the toe.

Combined, that is not an ‘A’ group. However, enter 2011 healthy and it could be the best in the NFL.

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by Alan_Smithee on Jun 21, 2010 12:09 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Exactly what I was trying to say

but using a lot more brevity. tyty

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by A.J. Haefele on Jun 21, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can see it

I think 2011 with some more experience will be great for this group, and the uncertainty levels here will diminish.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 22, 2010 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Grade

I grade the depth a B, I would rest a little easier if Polumbus had been more consistent at RT last year, but over all we have good young talent, we have veteran leadership and guys that seem to form a very cohesive unit.

by gyldenlove on Jun 21, 2010 12:13 PM MDT reply actions  

I think T is an area that could be addressed

I’m not satisfied with our T depth yet, but perhaps we have some gems in the UDFA class.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Jun 22, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I gave a C

With the injuries outside and Polumbus as the main backup, and all the rookies/question marks inside I think its difficult to be completely confident right now.

That said, lots of potential, and for 2011, I’d give a “B” or “B+” based only on paper/potential… its possible that materializes this year, but I’m still nervous…

by cjfarls on Jun 21, 2010 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Basically how I feel

Lots of potential but 2010 could be a long year.

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by johnnystarr on Jun 21, 2010 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

ditto

and if things come together, maybe even an “A”.

by Merlin Scott on Jun 21, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Versatility

We all know that Coach McDaniels loves players with multiple skill sets. Last year we started with an O-Line designed for zone blocking with a one-cut RB. Mid way through the year we switched emphasis to a gap or man blocking scheme. We still used zone, but much less. Our line was terribly undersized for gap/man blocking but opponents still had to prepare for it. This year we have a larger line but it is still anchored by Clady, Kuper and Harris, all excellent zone blocking linemen. In addition Palumbus and S. Olsen have an additional year in zone and gap/man blocking. My point is thast we have an extremely verfsatile goup and can do either. I am going to go out on a limb and predict that we will see 2/3 man/gap blocking but 1/3 zone which will make us extremely difficult to prepare for and much more of a manifeatation of Coach McDaniel’s amoeba philosophy.

I graded a C for depth just because we have so many new guys but overall strength I rate the Bronco O Line as B and possibly an A by week 10.

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by firstfan on Jun 21, 2010 12:40 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd

I voted B, simply because of the potential due to versatility. But ‘as it stands’ now, before training camp, in all objectivity, a C is more realistic….

But dang it, I gotta input the the home team bias and ‘expect’ as it were, a grade higher than the objective perspective. ( =

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 21, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I voted C

because the question is based on depth, not just the starters. I just don’t feel comfortable with the guys we have backing up our Tackles. I hope for them to play well and prove me wrong. I think the depth at Guard is strongest on our Line. If the question was “When healthy, how would you grade the O-lines projected starters?”, then I would say B to B+.

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by AvalancheRescueDog on Jun 21, 2010 12:43 PM MDT reply actions  

I just can't get above a C

I think that will be our performance this year. Ton’s of talent according to scouting reports on the rookies and we know about the veterans. Add in the injury issues and suddenly we have a young line testing the depth that we have. And if our veteran backups play at their best, and the Rookies play like talented rookies we are looking at a C overall.

Now if some of the IF’s turn into YES! then this line becomes an A pretty fast, but I don’t see it yet.

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by Arimaris on Jun 21, 2010 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Good article

Im leaning towards a B- though. I believe the OL is much better in pass pro than ppl give them credit for and are much better in the game then in the stat book, as Orton just takes too many sacks for my tastes. THey do however need to improve in the running game

by DBroncs1414 on Jun 21, 2010 12:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Great post Sayre!!

gave it a B..depth and good intelligent players on the o-line…

by wisco on Jun 21, 2010 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

With both the Ryans healthy,

I’ll give the line a B. Mostly because of the unknowns at LG and C. If Clady is out, then I’d say the line will be a solid C.
The good thing is Polumbus and Beadles are getting to work together on that left side until Clady can return, and that will probably help the cohesion of the group. BTW these two were swapped back and forth between LT and LG during OTAs from what I read, so it definitly looks like McDaniels is building versatility. I’m not really too worried about Walton, I think he is a stellar addition and may actually end up being the best offensive addition this year. Harris should be fine for the year. And Kuper is better than he’s usually given credit for. I’m not certain about the strength of the depth, although there seems to be some talent and size there, there is just no experience.

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by bchiper on Jun 21, 2010 12:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks DL

you could be right I’ll have to see if I can remember where I was reading that and post it here if not…….well I’ll just have to concede. :o) Yes I watched him play several games at LT while he was at CU.

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by bchiper on Jun 21, 2010 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

O-Line = C

I agree with a lot of the posters on here. Lots of potential, but as it stands now we’re not looking too good. Any time you start two rookies on the line right off the bat you know the depth is pretty poor. Let’s hope they pan out and our depth is not tested…

by rybjammin on Jun 21, 2010 1:04 PM MDT reply actions  

I see the glass half full. Beadles and Walton are much better than Hochstein and Weigmann.

As for BU, we only have Seth Olsen from last year. Remember Clady started as a rookie, why not Beadles and Walton? I see Walton as as big a + as Clady was in 2008.
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by DLMyers on Jun 21, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

My grade would be a B-

A year from now it will hopefully be in the B+ to A range, but with injuries, inexperience, and a bit less depth at tackle than I would like to see, I can’t grade them higher right now.

I graded above the C range because I firmly believe that while there will be a learning curve, both Beadles and Walton will be able to step in and be at least moderately effective fairly quickly.

by DoubleJay on Jun 21, 2010 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Don't forget a new OL coach as well

Let’s also not forget that Dennison is gone and we are continuing to change our OL scheme (power blocking). These are more factors to add in to the uncertainty we currently have. I just hope they all gel together quickly!

by rybjammin on Jun 21, 2010 1:22 PM MDT reply actions  

if the question is how it stands "now" then the answer is....

C. If the question is how will our line look in Training Camp the answer is B if Clady is healthy and stays a C if Polumbus is the left tackle. I would give the line an A if all the projected starters are ready to go, but I can’t give them an A until I see them in action during the season. Stop Oakland’s pass rush and you get a B. Stop New York (Giants or Jets) and you get an A. Training camp will tell us more than we know now, but not enough to feel great about the season. I am very hopeful for the youth and talent, though for this group.

Thanks for the article, Sayer. This time of year stinks and I am bursting with impatience to get the season under way.

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by NavyBSU_fan on Jun 21, 2010 1:23 PM MDT reply actions  

There are just too many uncertainties at this point.

Training camp will go a long way towards giving us a better idea of where we are. The injuries to Clady and Harris and even Hochstein create a sense of doubt for me. I believe Harris will be fine and his toe will be protected with proper equipment, but will he perform at the same level? Clady will almost certainly not be ready when training camp opens given the recovery needed from his injury and maybe not be ready until several games into the season. How will the rookies perform under the scrutiny of the NFL and the complex offensive system and new coach? It’s sure going to be an interesting training camp and don’t forget that there are always surprises every year, from injuries to unexpected performances, both good and bad. I for one can’t wait for real football!

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by Ponderosa on Jun 21, 2010 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

toe
Ryan Harris, one of the league’s best right tackles, injured his toe around mid-season in 2009 and has just recently returned to practice after re-aggravating it later in the season.

The first injury and the second were different, although in the same region.

Considering how important Harris was to our team success, it wouldn’t have been a terrible thing that we played him again at that point in the season, but he didn’t actually aggravate the old injury, but rather, he acquired a whole new injury.

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by Colinski on Jun 21, 2010 1:46 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Good point.

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by firstfan on Jun 21, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I voted B

But should’ve been C. The way I see it, it’s the preseason. Every team in the league is at a C right now.

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by ncm42 on Jun 21, 2010 1:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Errrr...

The OFF-season. We can’t grade them until they take some snaps in a game….

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by ncm42 on Jun 21, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Olsen's

Does anybody know if they’re brothers?

by _Atwater27 on Jun 21, 2010 2:15 PM MDT reply actions  

They are not related

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by KaptainKirk on Jun 21, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

go back far enough through geneology you'll find we're all related

afterall, if human’s are like virus’s in regards to “they multiply” then to go back in time to find a population you must divide

Eventually you will come to only but a few people if you go back in time far enough! Or if the theory of evolution is your call, then we evolved from apes, but if you go back far enough, there were only a few apes to begin with, they multiplied as well haha

So yes, they are 173rd removed brothers from another mother!

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by Broncs55 on Jun 21, 2010 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I humbly stand corrected

=)

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by KaptainKirk on Jun 21, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

you'll look at your wife in a whole new light tonight huh?!?

lol

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by Broncs55 on Jun 21, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Hey Cuz.

Now that that is over.....

by 3nS on Jun 21, 2010 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

who is Mary Kate and who is Ashley?

300 lb men vs annorexic women

Now that that is over.....

by 3nS on Jun 21, 2010 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice work, Sayre, on this post. I voted B.

I gave the OL a B as it is still a work in progress with 2 pretty good rookies drafted filling 2 spots plus 1 excellent RG and 2 OTs that are working on being completely healthy. I don’t expect Clady back until 4-6 weeks into season. He may be ready at the beginning of the season – but I think he will be rotated back in up to full time.

I didn’t know that Beadles was taking snaps at LG. I think that that will eventually be his position – where he will best contribute to this OL. I previously thought that he was still working at RT. If he and Polumbus are swapping LT and LG, they are both then getting reps at both positions. IMO in a head to head battle with Polumbus at LT or LG, Beadles wins it. It doesn’t look like we will see that – unless TC brings up something different. The guy was an engineering major – tough major to carry with football – has to have good intelligence.

It looks to me that McJedi is working to solidify as many positions on the OL as possible – leaving the LT position as the one in flux until Clady comes back. So Beadles may end up starting the season at LG – if, of course, he beats everyone else out for that spot and there isn’t a need for him at an OT.

Thanks, Sayre, for your time and energy.

Don’t think the Olsens are brothers. We would have heard about that if they were.

by Blackknigh on Jun 21, 2010 2:19 PM MDT reply actions  

With Beadles and Polumbus swapping at LT and LG -

we could have either combination before Clady comes back. I guess that I can’t quite see Polumbus at LG….

by Blackknigh on Jun 21, 2010 2:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I hate to say it but I see Plumbus pumbling hotdogs on the bench

once Clady is back. Too bad too cause I always rooted for that guy – but he can’t deliver obviously. Decent backup though – could do a lot worse!

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by Broncs55 on Jun 21, 2010 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was using bchiper's post for my "Beadles and Polumbus swapping at LT and LG"

You’re right, DL, Beadles was at RT. Then I heard that he was moved to LG for snaps with the 1st team.

IMO were Beadles and Polumbus to compete for LT, Beadles would win.

by Blackknigh on Jun 21, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I said A because I'm

stupidly optimistic regarding our O-line.

I have a feeling that Clady will play, even if he is only at 70%. He is a guy who knows his position is always at risk to a new guy because even WITH his stellar record, any schmoe could come out of the woodwork and blow his spot out of the water.

I’m not saying anyone has the ability to do so, but its always a very real possibility. He also needs another solid year or two in a row to get a HUGE contract.

Harris is more likely to be at 100% at season beginning, and I expect him to be so.

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by DenBronx on Jun 21, 2010 3:28 PM MDT reply actions  

"As it stands now" Kudos – Kudos – Kudos

First things first thanks Sayre great post and good information. If the season started today and Clady, Harris, and Kuper were ready I’d rate them "B" with time maybe by mid-season I’d rate them a B+ being realistic, I think they need one more year together with the two rookies before the O-Line would be experienced enough and have the cohesiveness to be rated at "A". In two years this O-Line will be one of the best in the NFL, I have no doubt, I’d go to the bank on that.

I voted "D" based on "how it stands now" because we have two rookies, a major injury to Clady who could be out 6 games or more. Ryan Harris is still working through his toe injury, and Russ Hochstein still rehabbing. With Chris Kuper starting with two Rookies and two young backups has me truly worried. Add to that a new power blocking scheme it becomes enormous challenge IMO to just maintain consistency. Two great things we have going for us though – they are all smart and physically talented which could help reduce the learning curve by the time season starts.

I think McDaniels will hide these weaknesses on the O-Line by demanding less while using more roll out plays from the spread formation to utilize both Quinn & Tebow’s athleticism if Orton can’t get it done.

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by oc60 on Jun 21, 2010 3:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Incomplete

I just can’t say until camp.

But I remain optimistic. LOL

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by TheMastermind on Jun 21, 2010 4:23 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Sayre..spot on points again.

I voted C due to Clady injury and two rookies.
These two rookies, Beadles and Walton, are here to stay. Hochstein maybe pup or cut.
My camp surprise is Stanford All-American Chris Marinelli, offensive tackle.
(Clady) Polumbus, Beadles, Walton, Kuper, Harris
With Seth Olsen, Eric Olsen, and Marinelli.

by DLMyers on Jun 21, 2010 4:24 PM MDT reply actions  

Marinelli

certainly did help that Stanford OL get Gerhert in open field. Also, did a great job protecting Andrew Luck giving him time to throw. Might just be a diamond in the rough, so I’d have to agree with you there.

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by bchiper on Jun 21, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was in a hurry during my 2 pm post and neglected to talk about Marinelli.

I agree with DLMyers assessment of Chris Marinelli. I look for him to come on in TC and for him to be the backup at RT – and LT if needed. He started at RT at Stanford – but did play a few games at LT.

DL, your OL roster looks pretty good to me. I previously thought that Dustin Fry would make the squad – I am feeling today that Eric Olsen will beat him out. We’ll see in TC.

by Blackknigh on Jun 21, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the line

but I give Sayre an A for the post.

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by firstfan on Jun 21, 2010 4:30 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

A "B" I think

But then I’m an optimist. My 2 concerns are: 1) Will Clady be ready for the season or will TP be our starting LT for the first two or three games?; and 2) Is it realistic to have 2 rookies on the starting line? If I had my preferences I would take a good, hard look at Seth Olsen to start at LG, mostly because he’s NOT a rookie. He also had a pretty good rep at Iowa, and has a year in the system. JDW will be the starter a C and I would feel more comfortable with just 1 rook on the line. Should Beadles be the guy, so be it, but that will be sorted out a TC.

by RichardC on Jun 21, 2010 5:09 PM MDT reply actions  

The question was depth

- that I give a B. But the line with injuries and rookies I’d give a C

Now that that is over.....

by 3nS on Jun 21, 2010 6:59 PM MDT reply actions  

I graded a C

which is my projection for the beginning of the season, which could easily become a B as the season progresses, as Clady and Ryan become more effective and the rookies gain experience, which could easily become an A, even an A+ in 2011 (if there is a 2011) if there are no setbacks. I think we’re underestimating Polumbus, who wasn’t nearly as good as the guy he replaced but who did pretty damned good for a second-year CFA and who will probably be noticeably improved in what will be only his third season. If Clady and Harris don’t suffer any setbacks this line will be better at the end of the season that it was at the beginning. Long term I think our O-line is going to be the class of the league for years to come. Great work, Sayre. Helps make the waiting bearable.

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by spock on Jun 21, 2010 8:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Good post as always, Sayre

Couldn’t decide how to vote. I worry about Clady and Harris, but found some comfort in your post. I would be so excited if they both could start the season.
I also think that the overall talent of this OL is greatly improved. Their youth is against them at the beginning, but I suspect Beadles and Walton will improve on a pretty steep curve – maybe not like Clady’s first year, but Clady was added to a pretty established line.
I’m actually most excited about the possibility for depth. I’ve heard good things about E. Olsen and Marinelli. I still think Polumbus is a work in progress with a higher ceiling than people think. And S. Olsen could also be a potential starter. Don’t know much about Fry but I’ve heard that some think he has potential. I think we’ll be able to find 3 very good and very versatile backups among that group. But again, they’re young.

by ivanthenotsobad on Jun 21, 2010 9:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Kuper

was not in the 2008 draft. I think he was 2006.

by pdaddy on Jun 21, 2010 10:43 PM MDT reply actions  

True

5th round 2006

Now that that is over.....

by 3nS on Jun 21, 2010 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very nice write up Sayre

Thanks. Personally, I think the O-Line has got to be the hardest group to preview since nobody keeps precise statistics on them. So your work is greatly appreciated.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Jun 21, 2010 11:23 PM MDT reply actions  

rec'd btw too

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Jun 21, 2010 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Healthy starters are an A...depth is a B :)

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by Broncotodd on Jun 22, 2010 8:13 AM MDT reply actions  

Well Done Sayre...

…I’m looking forward for the remaining write-ups. This will make the next 6 weeks go by faster :)

by macklure on Jun 22, 2010 8:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Nothing will make it go by fast enough, though. :(

THANKS SARYE! Here is my two bits worth.
I grade it as a C, partly because of concern with the injuries, but mostly due to not having experience playing as a unit yet. Without that, its just too early for me to judge other than saying the potential is there. Obviously, if Ryan/Ryan are not healthy, things could get very bad very fast.

With that grade in mind, and sincerely hoping they gel quickly enough to prove me totally wrong, I don’t think we will see the eventual (2011) offense ths year. It would not surprise me to find that in 2010 we take considerably more risks (in play calling) than last year or next year. I think that we will see a significant increase not only in the total number of deep routes, but more specifically in down-field passing plays on 1st downs and 3rd and short situations even in game situations where a run would be “safest”. (I’m not counting the bubble screeens in this, even though I think they will be more effective this year.) WIth a more deep-strike tone to the offense, we could still have complementary running game even if the OL is not yet cohesive enough to simply take the opponent’s heart in the 4th quarter. I still envision an overall increase in scoring efficiency from 1) the offense in general benefiting from last year’s experience, 2) the benefits in pass blocking and run blocking by having a two back set, and 3) McD opening the play book a little wider. The two back set is, in my mind, McD’s response to not yet having that proven OL, and should provide us a safety net. Things could get a little ironic if KO ends up hitting enough deep balls to get a rep as a gunslinger" – at least success won’t go to his head, he’s been through too much for that. Of course, this is all speculation, and does not even contemplate the permutations brought up if injury or poor play results in a QB change.

by idahobronc on Jun 22, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Sayre for the post up of the offensive line...

What’s to say Zane and JD can’t be studs like R&R were in their rookie year? It’s insane that the media breaks us apart and spits us out in llittle chunks…I give the OLine a C at this point only because of the unknowns…

by bfree2bronc on Jun 22, 2010 7:46 PM MDT reply actions  

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