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2010 Denver Broncos Positional Previews - Outside Linebackers

There is a case to be made for several positions across the defense as the cornerstones of the 3-4 alignment. Certainly the nose tackle gets much of the credit for its ultimate success or failure, but his efforts would be in vain if not for the performance of the linebackers behind him. In particular, the outside linebackers are called upon to shoulder the lion's share of the pass rushing burden and their ability to speed up the offense or make plays behind the line of scrimmage becomes absolutely essential. The exploits of our very own Elvis Dumervil are an excellent example of the game-changing nature of the OLB. Whereas star cornerbacks are at their best when they force the QB's eyes elsewhere and the stud NT is doing his job when he merely occupies two blockers, the OLB is the variable that determines the tenor and tone of each and every play. Lucky for the Broncos, "Doom" isn't the only weapon at that position on the roster already. Follow me below the fold for a closer look at the depth at outside linebacker currently present in Denver.

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Elvis Dumervil

#92 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

5'11"

248 lb

Louisville

Acquired: 2006 Draft, 4th Round, 126th Overall

Contract: 2010: $3,168,000, 2011: Free Agent

It's a true pleasure to write about a man who really needs no introduction. Ironically enough, Dumervil has had to make a name for himself over and over again, in level after level, throughout his impressive football career. Despite a then-school-record 78 career sacks in highschool, Elvis was overlooked by the traditional college football powers of his home state and had to make his way up to Kentucky to continue on the path that would eventually lead him to the NFL and our beloved Denver Broncos.

After largely sitting out for two years at Louisville, Dumervil finally worked his way into the Cardinals regular rotation at defensive end as a junior, and - in what would become a sign of even greater things to come - he impressed with six sacks in his final three regular season games played. As a senior, Elvis managed to match his season sack total from the previous year (eight) in just his first two games and racked up 17 in all. Following that astonishing campaign, he collected a litany of personal accolades highlighted by the Bronco Nagurski Award (presented to college football's best defensive player) and first-team All-American honors. Despite all that, his draft stock suffered due to concerns over his size, stamina and skill-set.

Punditrys protect their dubious expertise from being discredited due to their inability to accurately foresee significant future events in their fields by making claims of "perfect storms" gathering to produce the results they did not predict. In the case of Elvis Dumervil, this meant giving some portion of the credit for his "breakout" All-Pro 2009 season to the 3-4 scheme implemented in Denver by new defensive coordinator Mike Nolan. They also made sure that their astonishment at his achievements came across as though they were championing a true underdog story for our benefit and even his. The simple fact of the matter, however, is that Dumervil followed up a record-setting highschool career with an historic two-year stretch in college and even flashed glimpses of his ultimate pro potential with 26 total sacks during his first four years as a Bronco. The bottom line is this: Elvis didn't become a superstar last year. He's been a superstar since he was a teenager and, in 2009, he just made sure that the world finally took notice once and for all.

Robert Ayers

#56 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6'3"

274 lb

Tennessee

Acquired: 2009 Draft, 1st Round, 18th Overall

Contract: 2010: $1,712,500, 2011: $2,055,000, 2012: $2,397,500, 2013: $2,165,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent

Ayers arrived in Denver clouded in controversy. The draft pick used to select him was a key part of the trade that sent the Broncos disgruntled quarterback, Jay Cutler, to the Chicago Bears. Moreover, Robert was a controversial prospect to begin with. His quiet rookie season in the NFL did little to silence his critics, but his cautious supporters found enough in it to allay their more moderate concerns. Indeed, head coach Josh McDaniels has seen fit to open up a path into the starting line-up for him in 2010 and the second-year player has seemingly stepped up to the challenge.

Ayers began his road to the NFL as an active, athletic linebacker in highschool. He was recruited to Tennessee to play outside linebacker, but quickly grew into a defensive end. After playing sparingly, but showing flashes, Robert finally earned a starting role as a senior following a productive season as a rotational player in his redshirt junior campaign. In his final year at Knoxville, he once again lead the Volunteers in sacks, tackles for loss and QB pressures; he even added an interception. Despite his paltry sack totals - nine in four years - he demonstrated that he was an effective pass rusher and solid all-around player.

Much has been made about Ayers' status as a one-year wonder in college, or the apparently difficult and akward transition into a 3-4 OLB at the next level, but he's already proven his versatility, athleticism and overall football ability time and again. Robert has yet to win over many fans, but I have faith in his development. He's the sort of player that might not fill up the stat sheet himself, but he'll help others do just that.

Jarvis Moss

#94 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6"7"

257 lb

Florida

Aquired: 2007 Draft, 1st Round, 17th Overall

Contract: 2010: $750,000, 2011: $850,000, 2012: Free Agent

Dismissed by most as a bust after three uneventful seasons in Denver, Moss unexpectedly made the Broncos roster in 2009 under new head coach Josh McDaniels. Many among us have long theorized that Jarvis' best fit was as an outside linebacker in the 3-4, but his inability to crack the rotation last season seemed to spell the end of his days in Orange and Blue. And yet here we are, with the 2010 season on the horizon, he actually appears to be working his way into some playing time.

Moss burst onto the radars of college football programs from around the nation as one of the leaders of his highschool's improbable run to a Florida state championship. Jarvis then took his star to Gainesville, where he would play a pivotal role for the 2006 Florida Gators en route to the BCS National Championship. During the regular season, he complimented his solid and sometimes spectacular play as a starting defense end with critical plays on special teams, including two game-saving blocks in one game to preserve the season. He also stepped up to win the Defensive Player of the Game award from among the many standout performers in the 41-14 thrashing of the Ohio State Buckeyes in that year's Championship Game. His knack for big plays at big times foretold a tantalizing potential that captivated then-head-coach Mike Shanahan during his search for that much-needed pass rusher.

There can be no doubt that Moss has been a colossal disappointment up to this point in his career, but it's not too late for him to turn things around and the coaching staff in Dove Valley seems to believe in him. He's always had the tools, and he's now had plenty of time to both acquire the necessary skills to unlock that potential and get comfortable in his own skin. He's excited for the new season, the staff is behind him and I'm willing to give him one last chance to prove his worth to this franchise. As a situational pass rusher, he could be a real force in the NFL.

Darrell Reid

#95 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6'2"

270 lb

Minnesota

Acquired: 2009 Unrestricted Free Agent

Contract: 2010: $1.729 million, 2011: $2.128 million, 2012: Free Agent

Throughout his playing days, Reid has flown under the radar. In college, Darrell played three different positions - linebacker, defensive tackle and defensive end - and led his team while at each of them. He went undrafted in 2005, but quickly signed a contract and caught on with the Indianapolis Colts. Though he was listed as a defensive tackle for them in their undersized Tampa-2 defensive scheme, he was once again called upon to be a jack-of-all-trades. He even played some fullback for the offense near the goal line, but where he really excelled was in special teams coverage units.

While some wondered where he would fit in the 3-4 defense in Denver, it's not difficult to see why coach McDaniels wanted Reid on the roster regardless. Darrell is exactly the sort of team-first, versatile player that the new administration seems to cherish. Though he may never contribute much to the position under which he is officially listed, he does a lot to help otherwise.

As the depth in pass rushers continues to improve, it's difficult to see slots left open at outside linebacker for players like Reid. That said, Darrell's an ideal fit for a franchise in transition looking to establish a new philosophy on the field and in the locker room. Guys like Reid have a way of hanging around the NFL for long periods of time and, while lesser fans may be perplexed by their staying power, we can all appreciate the hard work that goes into those lengthy careers. It's nice to see that special teams is not "the forgotten third" for the coaching staff of our Broncos.

Jammie Kirlew

#53 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6'3"

259 lb

Indiana

Acquired: 2010 Draft, 7th Round (232nd Overall)

Contract: Four-Years, $1,840,000 Total, 2014: Free Agent

Going into the 7th round of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Broncos had already amassed quite a haul after a great deal of trading and no longer had any picks left on the board. That was, of course, until they spotted a couple of diamonds in the rough slipping through towards the end of the draft. Denver quickly struck up yet another deal - this time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - and acquired two additional picks with which they selected cornerback Syd'Quan Thompson out of California and Jammie Kirlew of Indiana. Management clearly saw something in both of those prospects that made the loss of a 2011 5th round pick worth the opportunity to secure their services. A closer inspection of Jammie's resume and scouting report make it clear why he might well be worth that cost all on his own.

Like many standout performers in high school, Kirlew starred on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Though Jammie (pronounced "JAY-me") received plenty of praise for his play at tight end, he would eventually settle in as a defensive end at the next level. Following his successful high school career in Orlando, Florida, he went on to play college football at Indiana. There, he lived up to the term "student-athlete" by perennially being selected to the Big Ten Conference's Academic Team while also slowly rising to the top of the depth chart and excelling on the field. After playing sparingly as a redshirt freshman and showing flashes of his ultimate potential while starting all 13 games as a sophomore, he was a finalist for the Ted Hendricks Award (presented to the best defensive end in college football) as a junior and was the Hoosier's MVP as a senior. Moreover, his impressive performance went well beyond the stat sheet and classroom, as he was nominated for prestigious awards for sportsmanship and charitable work.

Like Robert Ayers before him, Kirlew is the sort of pass rusher that made his presence felt beyond just occasional sacks, but rather with consistent, disciplined pressure. Jammie will also be making the transition from 4-3 defensive end to 3-4 outside linebacker.  While he lacks the physical tools of the elite players at that position, he gets the most out of what he has and that's been plenty throughout his playing days so far. He's been compared by some to Robert Mathis of the Indianapolis Colts - in part because of his relentless motor - which is ironic because he's looking to bookend Elvis Dumervil, who in his day has been likened to Mathis' stellar teammate, Dwight Freeney. It may be a long, winding road to playing time in the NFL for Kirlew, but he certainly has the right stuff to see his way through it.

Baraka Atkins

#58 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6'4"

268 lb

Miami (Florida)

Acquired: 2010 Free Agent

Contract: Terms Unknown

In high school, Atkins was a standout defensive end fated for greatness at that position. His four seasons at Miami University did nothing to dispel that destiny. While moving all around the defensive line for the Hurricanes, Baraka was the quintessential stat-sheet-stuffer. His play during his first season earned him Third team freshman All-American honors, which he followed up with honorable mention All-ACC recognition as a sophomore. His junior campaign saw a dip in production as he was moved inside full-time, but he bounced right back up to honorable mention All-ACC status as a senior when he returned to his preferred position of defensive end.

After that impressive college career, Atkins was selected by the Seattle Seahawks in the 4th round of the 2007 NFL Draft. Baraka saw very limited action over the next two seasons before being cut despite showing some of that promise from his amateur days towards the end. He was then quickly signed by the San Francisco 49ers to fill a momentary void in their roster, but he was waived just weeks later before the end of that same season.

Now a Bronco, Atkins is looking to reassert himself as the sort of game-changing pass rusher that wreaked havoc on opposing offenses when he played for Miami. In Denver, he'll certainly find the freedom to do just that, but it is up to him to earn any amount of playing time in what is beginning to appear to me as a crowded stable of capable outside linebackers. He's an impressive physical specimen with plenty of spark in his resume, so don't be surprised if he manages to make an immediate impact if he can make his way onto the field in 2010.

Kevin Alexander

#48 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6'4"

265 lb

Clemson

Acquired: 2010 College Free Agent

Contract: 2010: $320,000, 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: Free Agent

First thing's first: I'd like to wish Kevin Alexander a very happy birthday, seeing as he turns 23-years-old today! Alexander continues a coincidental subplot in this particular positional breakdown, in that a seemingly inordinate number of the Broncos outside linebackers played their highschool football in the state of Florida. It's no secret that the Sunshine State is a hotbed for athletic talent, especially on the gridiron, so perhaps this revelation should not come as such a surprise. Like most of the other players reviewed thus far, however, Kevin had to leave his home state in order to continue his playing career.

While at Clemson, Alexander proved to be a durable team leader on a unit that was consistently ranked among the nation's top 25 defenses. Though he only broke into the Tigers starting line-up as an upperclassman, he made the most of his rotational opportunities as an underclassman as well and he really blossomed as a starter. His stats don't necessarily shine out of context, it's important to note that he was among the top performers for his team across the board.

Though some saw Alexander as riding the coattails of his more heralded highschool teammate, C.J. Spiller, Kevin was considered a solid prospect in his own right and he made the most out of his time at the college level. He's yet another four-year player who has shown the loyalty, dedication and development that the management in Denver really admires. It's difficult to imagine Kevin hanging on to a slot on the Broncos active roster as the spaces get cut down, but he could have it in him to stick around in some capacity.

Bruce Davis

#47 / Linebacker / Denver Broncos

6'3"

252 lb

U.C.L.A.

Acquired: 2010 Waiver Claim (New England Patriots)

Contract: Terms Not Disclosed

After playing his high school football in the state of Texas, Davis returned to his place of birth to play - Los Angeles, California - at the college level. He arrived in L.A. as a tenacious defensive end and, after sitting out for a year, he played in all of the Bruins' games as a redshirt freshman. The following year, they briefly experimented with him at outside linebacker before injuries to the rest of the team forced them to move him back to his natural position. Back at DE, though undersized, he flourished. As a junior, he gained national recognition as an All Pac-10 performer and he even made a few All-American lists. He managed to replicate that success in his senior campaign, during which he was on the watch list for just about every major award for defensive players in college football. He earned a degree from UCLA and remains one of the best pass rushers in school history to this day.

Davis was selected in the third round of the 2008 NFL Draft (88th overall) by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hoping to capitalize on his impressive pass rushing skills, he was converted to outside linebacker in their 3-4 defense. Unfortunately for all involved, the transition did not go smoothly and, after being largely inactive, Bruce was waived in 2009. He was then claimed by the New England Patriots, who kept him on their practice squad until they too waived him this past May.

Some may look at Davis as a bust, but he remains the same guy who excelled at such high levels in college. Bruce really hasn't been given a chance to sink or swim yet, but he'll get an honest look now. This may be his last opportunity to make his NFL dreams come true, so he's going to have to give it his all. There's really no pressure on him in Denver, at least not that of the lofty expectations that followed him from his days at UCLA. He's likely another candidate for the practice squad with the Broncos, but if he can latch on, he has the goods to make the long journey on to a pro roster one day.

Outlook

After taking a closer look at the eight men who are in the running for the limited active roster spots available to outside linebackers, I have come to the conclusion that I know one thing and believe another. What I "know" is that the depth at this position is largely comprised of some rather open question marks. What I "believe" is that those questions will be answered in a positive manner sooner rather than later. Obviously it helps to have a stalwart like Elvis Dumervil anchoring the position, but he can't go it alone. If the Broncos can find the right player to bookend the unit opposite him, then the rest of the league is in serious trouble.

Though I was initially apprehensive about Robert Ayers, I've become cautiously optimistic on his pro prospects. He obviously has the inside track for the starting spot alongside Doom and I think he's really going to open some eyes with his performance on the field this year. Jarvis Moss, once an afterthought at best and a derisive icon of poor personnel judgement at worst, has apparently worked his way into some playing time and might well be on the verge of the breakthrough that I thought would never come. He might never develop into the star that we once hoped for, but he could turn into the game-changing situational pass rusher that we need.

Behind those three, management has added a healthy dose of youthful competitors that fill the mold that they've held up as their desired archetype: smart, tough, versatile, team-first leaders. Unspoken, but clearly present among those desired attributes as well, is play-making explosiveness. I think all three of the newcomers have what it takes to hang around and develop into contributors at some point.

Whereas just last year I was concerned about what the transition to the 3-4 scheme might mean for our pass rush, I think we're all eagerly awaiting another stellar performance from this group in the upcoming season. I hope that this preview provided you all with a fresh take on all of these guys, because this bunch is young and on top of their games. The talent is definitely there and the staff seems to think they're ready; what say you Broncos Nation?

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C
440 votes
D
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Just love the 'contributor writers' covering each area of the team...MUCH THANKS

Outside linebackers. I gave a grade of ‘C’ because only one is proven and Elvis has had only one year to show his wares. I do though see the glass-half-full.
OTA’s and mini’s can only show the athleticness in shorts, which is necessary to determine who can learn quickly on what to do and when to do it.
I too think Ayers has improved but will he ‘show up’. Coaches benching seemed to open a door or two.
Yes we have read about Moss and his ‘arrival’ and he did hang on last year. But will he really push Elvis?
AH Kevin Alexander. I always look for an unknown rookie to push for a backup roll. Big, fast, and great defensive college like Clemson. Let camp start.
Word is that Darrell Reid’s knee may take much longer so PUP is the likely option.
Davis and Atkins are tested vets but mainly backups IMO.
Kirlew should fine the practice squad.
So my question is “do we keep 3 OLB since Haggan can swing?”

by DLMyers on Jul 1, 2010 12:16 PM MDT reply actions  

how many OLBs do we keep?

I’ve played with the idea of LB numbers and I can’t see how the numbers can go down — at least lower than 4. And I expect 5 can be carried and lean towards that number, although it’s entirely speculative at this point.

The problem with Haggan’s ability to “swing” back to OLB is that it creates a hole at ILB. The fact that he’d be coming from a position that lacks players makes his ability to backup OLB somewhat moot.

From a mathematical perspective, we’d be able to utilize our versatility if there were more players able to swing to ILB. This was the logic behind drafting a prospect such as Donald Butler, who also could play OLB.

Because OLB is an impact position in the 3-4 — particularly R-OLB — there’s a justification for carrying added personnel beyond the normal backup needs. An added pass rusher can be particularly useful for 3rd down situations. IMO, Moss is still on the roster because no other player could serve as a speed rusher. And I don’t think players who can speed rush are the only type we’re looking for. Alexander’s strength offers an interesting alternative attribute that may come in handy at L-OLB. It will be interesting to see how fill out the OLB position since the attributes and numbers will tell us something about our defensive philosophy and needs going into this season.

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by Colinski on Jul 1, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I voted "C" for the same reason.

Doom is head and shoulders above the rest (figuratively, anyway), but even he has yet to prove that he can be capable against the run. The others are all unproven, for one reason or another. Of all the units on the team, this one causes me the most concern.

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by db8632 on Jul 1, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Point" of Attack!

"Disguise", might be the most important word in football. If the opposing team knows what play the Broncos are going to run on offense or defense the success rate drops dramatically. What does this have to do with the Broncos OLBS you might ask…well disguise in critical for all 11 Broncos on every play and the outside linebackers are no exception. 17 sacks is an absolutely amazing stat for any player but until Elvis Dumervil can hold the Point of Attack against the run or drop into Coverage and win 1 on 1 against a TE on a passing play he could never win a Superbowl. Teams did not know what hit them in the beginning of last season but by week 9 they had enough film to study and found our fundamental weakness on the Broncos defense…running the ball against Elvis Dumervil. I’m a huge fan of Elvis Dumervil but being a fan does not mean I will ignore facts. Passing in Elvis’s zone was also affective and until he can be effective in the 3 fundamentals of his position the Broncos would be better off with 8 sacks and have him as a 3rd down specialist. Many would argue that he is our best OLB because pressure on the QB is more important then stopping the run or dropping into coverage. The truth is that all 3 aspects are equally important for an "every down" outside linebacker in the 3-4 defense. I think Elvis is an amazing player and maybe an even better person. He has handled himself and his business with class and respect and he deserves a long-term contract. With that very large contract the Broncos deserve a "every down" outside linebacker. I hope he recognizes that he has to get better at pass coverage, that he has to get stronger to hold down the "Point" of Attack and DISGUISE what he is going to do on any given Sunday.
-GO BRONCOS!!!

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by 2010oc on Jul 5, 2010 4:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Reid's knee injury has gone under the radar

I think he played an important role last year and this team will miss him. If Reid were healthy, nobody would be talking about Jarvis Moss at all.

by jwkcsu on Jul 1, 2010 12:21 PM MDT reply actions  

This I agree with

Reid was a pass rushing DE in the 3-4 and 5-2 nickel variations that we ran. He got a ton of playing reps from his “backup” role, a small victory for roster design….

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 1, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, I didn't realize the youth we had at this position...

Only Darrell Reid (28) is older than age 26…
I still gave the depth a ‘C’ though, because as DLMeyers said, Elvis is the only proven player in this group. But with time, this could turn out to be a really solid group of players. A lot of potential…

by sjk7 on Jul 1, 2010 12:28 PM MDT reply actions  

This all comes down to Ayers.

Regardless of the MHR spin, his rookie year was a disappointment. That said, and I’ve been too harsh on the guy.

His rookie year was going to be rough since he held out when he couldn’t afford too and since he was a D-linemen in college. He did flash enough in his rookie year to give even McGeorge hope that better things are to come. He really needs to get a better grip on the metal aspect of the game. His rookie year had some major low lights when Ayers was having trouble figuring out where to line up or locate a ball carrier. He has the physical tools to be a very good player. His metal understanding of the game was way below par in 2009. I’ve seen rookies look lost before, but he looked about the most lost of any I can remember. I don’t know what happened in the OTAs, but Ayers is quickly running out of mulligan’s. It’s not cute anymore, or excusable. Ayers will be 25 years old in a few weeks.

If Moss turns into a great player, I’ll eat my shoe after stepping in doggie duke. But that ain’t happening folks.

Elvis has been a rock star dating back to his days as a high school player in Miami. I have no worries about him. Kirlew and Reid are NFL afterthoughts – or will be shortly. So it’s all about Ayers.

World Cup officiating reminds me of with Bob Slowik's coaching. It’s embarrassing when people in the spot light get promoted well beyond their level of competence.

by McGeorge on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, McG.

At least, mostly. I think that our outlook at OLB does hinge largely on Ayers. I also think I agree with you about Moss and the dog duke, but after those three names, who else do you see making the roster? We’re going to have to keep at least one of Kirlew and Reid this year, I’d say. Maybe Atkins or Bruce Davis? Luckily, Haggan could slide back outside if an emergency arose.

I’d rather not see the team with a high draft need at OLB next year.

by BroncosBassist on Jul 1, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Depth is not what concerns me with OLB. I’m more worried about the guys that will get the most PT. Reid (should he be healthy) is probably a lock to make the team and contribute in his own small ways. But that won’t make the difference between 6-10 and 10-6. Starters like Ayers, Walton, and/or Gaffney playing well or poorly will.

I think LB will be high on our draft needs next year (same with TE and D-line).

World Cup officiating reminds me of Bob Slowik's coaching. It’s embarrassing when people in the spot light get promoted well beyond their level of competence.

by McGeorge on Jul 1, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ayers certainly needs to step up his game

as you’ve stated. I’m just curious how you came to the conclusion that Kirlew will be an NFL afterthought. Dude he’s a rookie who hasn’t even had a real chance to show his wares yet. Doesn’t sound like Reid will be ready to go, so your take there is probably accurate. My take is the overall depth needs work.

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by bchiper on Jul 1, 2010 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Most NFL draft experts didn’t think Kirlew would get drafted. He is an NFL long shot. But so was Woodyard… Some of these late round and undrafted guys make it, but most don’t.

World Cup officiating reminds me of Bob Slowik's coaching. It’s embarrassing when people in the spot light get promoted well beyond their level of competence.

by McGeorge on Jul 2, 2010 7:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks McGeorge

I don’t think I saw any of those reports from the draft experts, not that I was really looking mind you. He does need to show more in camp though, as Alexander an undrafted rookie seems to be making more of mark in what I’ve read from the OTAs.

The depth does concerns me in our LB corp. Doom and Williams are solid for the most part. Doom could do better against the run and Williams against the pass. Ayers has talent and has not yet shown he can be a game breaker. Haggan is new to the middle, altough, I believe he’ll do fine but not spectacular. Outside of Woodyard or Reid, if he’s even ready to go, do we really have behind them. We need several guys to show up and excell.

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by bchiper on Jul 2, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bchiper, Haggan moved to that slot - LOLB - in many nickel situations

Once there, he usually did a very good job, so this change shouldn’t be a struggle for him. The bigger issue are on the edges – despite the nonsense on being placed on Ayers, he learned well last year and should provide at least two downs this year and three next. Doom actually concerns me more – no missed tackles last year, but often that meant that he was washed out of the running play or out of gap for the run too many times. Kirlew is an option on the other side if Ayers sits out a down – denverbroncos.com described him as “A linebacker who twice received All-Big Ten Conference recognition at Indiana University, where as a defensive end he tied for third on the school’s all-time sacks list (23) and tied for second on its all-time tackles for loss list (52.5)” We could use that to balance Doom’s performance in the sack/passing downs. Kirlew is also extremely smart, fitting that part of the team mold. He’a another tweener, but that’s who Denver will be using on OLB’s for the most part.

Baraka Atkins is trying to make the ‘tweener’ move from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB, and all the best to him – we’ll see. Kevin Alexander was taking his ST work seriously in OTAs, and we’ll see how he does when the pads come on. Lots of good young prospects – now we get to see if they can work at the NFL level.

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by Doc Bear on Jul 2, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

good insight Doc

once again :)

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by Broncs55 on Jul 2, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

What happened to your name?

World Cup officiating reminds me of Bob Slowik's coaching. It’s embarrassing when people in the spot light get promoted well beyond their level of competence.

by McGeorge on Jul 2, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

He went back, old school

You might want to change your profile, cause you put the mask back on Doc.

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by Topher Doll on Jul 2, 2010 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see a return to the Bear avatar for the season

it has that certain…something…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 2, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Doc good feedback

Like I said we need several guys to show up and excell, most of them are pretty young or rookies. Granted there is loads of potential there, but until we see what we really have in camp I’ll remain cautious. I’m intersted to see how Bishop and Davis play out in all this as well. I’m not saying LB is of grave concern, just that I really don’t see the depth that others do….yet.

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by bchiper on Jul 2, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll take the avatar into account

I do love Plato’s works, but I’ll look for the Bear pic – don’t really know exactly where it is, having changed computer’s twice this year. It’s the downside of keeping old ones running longer ;-).

I agree, bchiper, we need people to step up. In one sense, that’s football – there are always some injuries (you hope they aren’t to the main guys), some fellows no one ever heard of who become important and the stars that fade. Cautious optimism is rarely a bad idea. I do like what I can read and the tiny bit that I’ve seen on many of these guys (there will be an article at the beginning of training camp on the 4 biggest battles of the camp, and OLB is one), so I’m comfortable that we’ve got a lot of people with good backgrounds competing – and that’s as far as I can go. I do expect the healthy guys from 2009 to improve, though – familiarity with the scheme should help.

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Jul 2, 2010 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pissed off and desperate

Ayers is pissed off and Moss is desperate, both excellent motivators, which can only help the competition. This position promises to be one of the most, if not THE most, interesting in training camp. A mental picture is emerging of our new D line plugging things up and a cadre of “big dog” linebackers knocking the crap out of whomever is unlucky enough to be holding the rock! I hate to keep repeating myself but….I CANNOT WAIT TILL TRAINING CAMP!!!! ARRRGGH!!!!!!!!!! It’s a linebacker thing…we tend to be a little over the top with our intensity at times….not necessarily such a good trait when one is in their 60’s :O)

"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."

by BroncoCUbuffs on Jul 1, 2010 1:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Linebackers both inside and out remain a concern.

This position is very difficult to predict other than Dumervil and DJ who will give us solid minutes. How will contract negotiations distract Doom? Can DJ rebound from an average year at best in a new position? Will Ayers develop into a real LB and fianlly understand the system? What part will the inevitable injuries play in who we line up? Moss remains an enigma with terrific potential, but nothing to show for it. Training camp is going to be real interesting. This is my greatest area of concern on defense.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Jul 1, 2010 2:12 PM MDT reply actions  

An "A" for Dumerville, and...

a “C” for the others until at least one of them steps up and proves it on the field.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Jul 1, 2010 2:32 PM MDT reply actions  

I wish you'd gone with an 'Incomplete' grade as well :-)

As a former teacher, that’s what I’d go with. Kevin Alexander made waves in OTAs, mostly on STs, Baraka Atkins is seeing if he can make the move from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB, Dumervil needs to show if he’s a full time OLB or a pass rushing specialist who is weak against the run (He didn’t miss a tackle all year, but was too far out of position to make quite a few and needs to improve that), Jammie Kirlew draws my interest and support, we need to find out if Darrell Reid can make it back from the knee surgery in this period of time or if he needs more and then there’s Kevin Bishop about whom nothing was said (I’m not complaining, ej: there isn’t that much to cover. I’m just noting) and Bruce Davis, who, as noted, remains a cypher.

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Jul 1, 2010 2:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Got the name change I see :)

Has there been any word (official or otherwise) on Reid’s rehab and recovery? Having him for depth may be key to the success of our linebacking corps this season.

by DoubleJay on Jul 1, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haven't heard a word yet, but Ponderosa is closer to the situation

That does concern me: the adhesions in the knee commonly take a year of play to get to to full usage and speed, cutting ability, etc. I wish him the best.

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Jul 1, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Best info I have is that he's rehabbing and on schedule for a return by Aug/ Sept.

This is hardly strong evidence however. All recovery, including Clady and Decker is pretty much one day at a time.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Jul 1, 2010 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the info. I can understand why the front office would not be forthcoming about such things, but it would be great from a fan’s perspective if we had a way to be kept abreast of how our injured players are doing with their rehab.

by DoubleJay on Jul 1, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

The most exciting development, to me,

Is that of Jarvis Moss. Let’s face it: There is quite a drop off in talent behind Ayers and Dumervil, especially with reports of Reid’s injury possibly delaying his return to the lineup. Moss has the latent talent to fill that gap, and all indications are that he just may come through this year.

BTW, a very fine report, Ejruiz. rec’d.
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Very good report, Ejruiz.

The LB corp looks like – in echoing several others – the weak spot in this defense. Hopefully solid DL and DB work will help to ameliorate that a bit. We will see what TC brings in our personnel here. The guys will be more familiar with our 3-4/5-2 alignment this year.

Thanks, EJ.

by Blackknigh on Jul 1, 2010 6:41 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm cautiosly optimistic

I think we’ve gotten something good going here, but went with a C because of all the question marks. The only players in this grouping where we know what we have are Dumervil and Reid, and even with Doom we may not know what the complete package is. The rest all have potential, but we have yet to see whether or not they realize it.

Good post, rec’d.

"Mr. President, call in the National Guard! Send as many men as you can spare! Because we are killing the Patriots! They need emergency help!" - Shannon Sharpe

by Broncoman27 on Jul 1, 2010 8:49 PM MDT reply actions  

How big a factor is Wink in this mix?

Wink specialty is LBs and his philosophy is stated to be agressive.
I agree with most everyone that this group of OLBs is largely untested and so difficult to grade.
However, I think the LBs will play a big role in the defense this year, and that if Wink was especially concerned with the LB position it would have figured differently in the drafting and FAs signed this year.
That the big focus was on DL says to me that Wink feels LB play will greatly improve with better DL play.
I see some athleticism in this OLB group. There’s some speed as well. Even some of the obvious weaknesses (i.e. Doom’s liability in the run game Ayers lack of reaction speed) are not beyond fixing (I expect to see notable improvement this year both in Doom’s run game defense and in Ayers reaction time ).
I suspect we’ll keep four, but agree TC will determine who they are: Doom, Ayers, then two from the rest – Reid, Moss, Adkins, Alexander, Kirlew, Davis , not necessarily in that order. (I think Bishop is ILB isn’t he?)
In any event, with better DL play, I expect the OLB position to be a position of strength by the end of the year. Imagine Williams, Bannan and Fields et alle (Baker, Green, Thomas?) eating up blocks and pocket. In such a case, Doom, Moss and Ayers could decide they are very good rushers indeed. Which may be the reason that Wink seems satisfied at this point with what he’s working with.
This doesn’t mean they won’t try to upgrade next year. You always upgrade. Then you can trade your former stars for draft picks (Irony!).
Good post, BTW. Rec’d

by ivanthenotsobad on Jul 1, 2010 9:12 PM MDT reply actions  

developing OLB34s

Perhaps the single most significant fact about this LB group, as well as one that’s been left out of the discussion, is that the entire group is relatively new to the OLB34 position. And I realize that there are exceptions such as last year’s group, and Davis was introduced to the position in 2008 as a Steeler, but none of them has more than one year of playing experience in the 3-4 and most have far less.

Whether one sees the glass as half full or half empty depends on one’s temperament, but what comes to my mind is that many of the players weren’t well-suited to a 4-3 scheme. Or rather, they’re tweeners who stood little chance of making it in a 4-3, while their chances in a 3-4 are far better. The problem is that they have to learn a new positions, which takes time. Given that time and the determination to develop, however, they can develop.

The point is not that they’re necessarily gems in the rough, even though some were fairly high draft picks, it’s that they’re the kind of players who could develop given time in our system. And this is also true of Dumervil, Ayers and Moss, who haven’t reached their full development within our system and should continue to improve as they become more versed in the scheme. Note that this is a subtly different from the development that occurs when a player is familiar with his position.

I think the potential is there for the reserves at OLB to contribute at level somewhat beyond what most would expect. There is also a potential for further development among the reserves.

OLB34 is one of the hardest positions to predict success in, but this also means that there are many players available who were once touted but failed to make the transition to their new position. Our strategy appears to be to look through a number of OLB34 candidates in the hope of finding a gem in the process. And the odds are fairly good since many of our candidates were poor fits for their previous schemes.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Jul 2, 2010 3:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Our biggest concern for 2010 is the LB group..IMHO

There’s a ton of unrealized potential, and we need that to start becoming realized quickly. Doom single-handedly keeps this grade from being a D.

I sure wish we had picked up Spoon, but if Moss and Ayer’s step it up, I will get over it quickly :)

Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Jul 2, 2010 8:22 AM MDT reply actions  

There is a lot of discussion about the team this off season

the LB core has the most potential to surprise. Most people dont expect a lot from our “Cast offs” and “questionable picks.”

to me doom’s ability to pass rush is exceptional and his run stopping isnt bad for a pass rush end who is learning the position. The one that bothers me the most is Mario Haggan. Good against the run but a big big liability vs. the pass especially when he has to cover a TE. With the majority of the league and our schedule against shredding passing games like Rivers and Manning, this to me is where we need to address our issue. Run Stopping is easier to teach than pass protection. You can teach positioning and tackling. You cant teach athletic ability.

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Jul 2, 2010 9:25 AM MDT reply actions  

speculative

I voted “B” but not at all based on historical data. It’s based on the expectations I have for Ayers. I am not shy to say I am a Ayers supporter. He screwed up during this past OTAs and I can only hope he grows up. But I can see where Ayers will get 4-6 sacks and be a run stopping force at LOLB in 2010 and makes our OLB tandem mighty fierce.

just a hunch.

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by Orange and Blue on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 PM MDT reply actions  

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