Denver Broncos Agree to Extension With Elvis Dumervil, Rookies Next
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 22, 2010 10:12 PM MDT
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In addition to signing utility offensive lineman Eric Olsen to a four year contract, the Denver Broncos have signed NFL sack champion Elvis Dumervil to a contract extension. ESPN’s John Clayton reporting Elvis’ contract is a 5-year extension totaling 6 years, $61.5 million, w/ $43 million guarantee.
Dumervil was a restricted free agent and had been rumored to be seeking a long term financial commitment from the Broncos, and the team's interest was mutual. Dumervil led the NFL with 17 sacks in 2009, and has been a valuable piece to the Broncos' defense over the last four years, especially in third down situations where no player in the NFL has more sacks than Dumervil since he came into the league in 2006.
The Broncos have made Dumervil essentially the foundational building block for their defense under new head coach, and he is one of the few players left from the Mike Shanahan regime. Dumervil was a fourth round pick out of Louisville in 2006.
The Broncos are also reportedly close to a contract agreement with third round pick Eric Decker, and with Dez Bryant of the Dallas Cowboys signing his contract earlier today, the Broncos should be able to get their two first round picks--Tim Tebow and Demaryius Thomas--signed soon as well.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cannot be happier right now. No wonder we haven’t signed our 3rd or 6th round draft picks. We were too busy signing Doom. In McD we trust!!!!!!!!!!
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Get happier
Looks like Decker is close to agreeing upon a contract as well
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 22, 2010 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
And the contract dominos look ready to fall
and in the right time too since TC is right around the corner.
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we just got to get those rookies signed by Monday
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Well once the top few picks
get signed then all the others seem to fall in place. Unless there is a hiccup with a draft pick from some team then there should be no problem. Should be a busy weekend then.
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I'm thinking
Olsen and Decker tomorrow.
Tebow on Saturday
Demayrius on Sunday
:)
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That will work
Olsen has allready signed a 4-year contract.
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I thought that
it wasn’t confirmed by anyone other then who originally reported it.
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then Champ on Monday :)
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by Worthington on Jul 22, 2010 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Ryan Harris on Tuesday :D
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It's full on.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Jul 23, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh my God Oh my God Oh my God
OHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHH OHHHHH
What does this mean?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Jul 23, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
x
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
If someone owned an ICEE truck and wanted to kidnap me, I'd let them.
No
It’s Bus Cook!
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Elvis should be happy on the contract
He didn’t get quite the league maximum in total $$, but if i’m not mistaken he did pretty well in guaranteed money
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Yes!
So happy this finally got done, I’ve been waiting and hoping before TC.
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Wow that is way more than I thought
43mil guarantee is nothing short of a coup, I am happy for Doom and so stoked it’s done. Classy move by the organization.
Absolutely.
Isn’t that more than Marsahall’s record breaking deal from Miami? LOL…. pays to be the good guy. Awesome, Broncos.
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This Is GREAT news!
This is great for the team and the fans. I hope this stops some of the questions about the front office.
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I would like to thank Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall for making this possible
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All day!
You know he’s going to bring the heat on opposing QB’s this year… and six years after that wearing the orange and blue! Can’t wait to see him take San Diego’s new LT to school.
holy moly thats a lot of money!
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good....one more issue resolved
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I am excited to see him get paid. He has conducted him self as a “we” player through out the proses and is a every play player for the Broncos.
Dumervil is all class.
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Times like this make me wish I was a Pro Football player
Super happy for DOOM and for us. Doom deserves this and having Doom makes us win :-)
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Will Decker and Thomas being represented by the same agent have an effect on their signing?
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Usually in these cases
They work the deals out in the same meetings, So they will likely sign close together. However, in this case, with Thomas being a first rounder that may still not be the case. With the Dez Bryant signing though there is a great starting point for the Thomas negotiations
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
YES!!!!!!!!
Finally… Not much news going around right now.
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by MileHighMadness on Jul 22, 2010 11:13 PM MDT reply actions
Adam Schefter is going to wake up and say
“Son of a Bit**. The first time I go to bed early in weeks and the biggest news of the dead period happens. FML”
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Hahaha, it's the first time I have ever noticed him being late to the Tweet party
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a weird feeling. I hope he is still alive.
He announced almost every single pick in the 2010 draft before it was announced.
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May he gave the purple drank a shot...
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
*gasp*
he has been jamarcussed!!
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Or Jollied, cuz Johnny Jolly was the original you know
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
nahh
jamarcussed is more fun to say
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true, I defer
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
He's only human. No need to get worked up about it all.
Although, I would monitor FML to see if a similar post is created in the next day or so….
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by Troy Hufford on Jul 22, 2010 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait...
A human being is only human? You don’t say…LOL
Why hate on your OWN team when you've got the Raiders?
by TheMastermind on Jul 22, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Some people could think he was a machine.
Ya never know. Robots don’t have to sleep. Perhaps there were people who thought Adam Schefter was some sort of twitter robot. I think he is, at least, some sort of human/twitterrobot hybrid….
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by Troy Hufford on Jul 22, 2010 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL. that would be hiliarious.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
haha I can only hope.
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Hold up...
How could this have happened? I thought the new Broncos regime were “idiots” and “McDumbasses” who drove away talented players and were doing everything possible to ruin the ream we love?
Granted this is one thing, but it is a big, big one. I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the people in charge might – just might – know what they’re doing.
Just…maybe.
Why hate on your OWN team when you've got the Raiders?
....nahhh
they are idiots and mcdumbasses
the MSM is never wrong.
Look at Mel Kiper Jr. for instance. He is hardly ever wrong
:D
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aahh the power of revisionist history
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Start listening at :58 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubYpplmzVk
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I mean 48 seconds
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He compared Jamarcus to Elway :(
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by Worthington on Jul 22, 2010 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
"skill set that he has is certainly John Elway like"
If that doesn’t ruin his credibility then nothing will.
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Will say we paid him too much money for an unproven situational player, wait and see
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by Worthington on Jul 22, 2010 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Then he would be essentially correct for once
Doom is not unproven and plays more than in just situations, but he is a specialist (pass rush) and below average against the run, and that is too much money, relative to the salary cap.
by cohiker on Jul 23, 2010 1:25 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no salary cap
Or a CBA, for that matter, and team officials seem to disagree with you on your claim of “too much”.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 23, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Woot!
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 22, 2010 11:25 PM MDT reply actions
Sweet
Now apparently DOOM is promising a new sack record as a thank you
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I take that back. I misunderstood the blog post
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions
haha I read that same thing and I thought the same thing at first
so you are not alone :)
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Champ Bailey
Could an extension for Champ be next??
the podcast I heard today
had McDaniels saying he wanted a deal to get done to make Champ retire a Bronco. McD’s been pretty honest about this stuff, so even if it isn’t real soon I think the Broncos will make a serious offer to extend him as well.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Yay! Elvis is in the building!
Our house!
And for once John Clayton reports something positive about the Broncos. Hah hah.
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No!!! It's too much money
They are paying too much. He is not that good.
This will puts limits on the Broncos ability to keep other good players or to get free agents. He needs to be on the field for 75% of defensive plays and be strong in run support and pass coverage (or get 60-70 sacks over the next four years, and not be a liability against the run or in occasional pass coverage) to justify that much salary cap money.
He is good, and a proven pass rush specialist, but over $40 million guaranteed, and close to $12 million a year for the added years 2-6 (since he was only due $3 million for this year) is top 5 NFL OLB/DE money. This deal is roughly equivalent to Demarcus Ware money. Ware got 7 years, $79 million, $40 million guaranteed. Elvis gets a higher guarantee and slightly more $/year over the five added years??? Who is a better player?
The only way this will work out well is if Elvis performs as I stated above over the next four years, or if he performs close to that level and a lot of the money is charged to this year, so the salary cap hit will not be too much in years 2-6. There will be a salary cap in the new CBA.
I think this shows weakness in the Broncos management – to allocate so much to a specialist, who is not a proven all around OLB – somewhat of a desparate move. Overpaying Elvis because management has received so much criticism for getting rid of so many fan favorites. Management is not strong enough.
Hope I am wrong.
Ware and Doom went head to head last year
and Elvis one that matchup. I personally believe he is worth every penny, the dollars go with pass rush, run stuffing is important but run stuffers are cheaper. That’s the way it goes. Yes it’s a jaw dropping amount, but it is also market value for a player with his skill set.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 22, 2010 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Elvis won* that matchup....sigh...too late to type well
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 23, 2010 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm sure you meant
Elvis was number one in that matchup. :)
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 24, 2010 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Not head to head
Wasn’t Ware against Clady (or a healthy Harris)? The Cowboys OTs were not close to being as good as Clady and Harris – they let Adams go – and Adams is still unsigned – right? and who is the Cowboys other tackle.
Yes, pass rush skills are worth more than run stoppage and pass coverage skills, for an OLB, but a specialist is not worth that much.
The cowboys offensive line was and still is considered one of the best in the league
And he’s not a specialist, he is in there 3 downs. He is not as strong on the run, but that is normal. All players are stronger at one phase than another, and 3 of the four linebackers are good at it. Support ahead, behind and to the side of Doom help him in run support….I don’t see a problem here. Top 10 ‘D’ this year, bank on it
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 23, 2010 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Cowboys O Line was very good, because of center and guards, not tackles
Cowboys OTs were average, at best. Clady and Harris, when healthy (the case against Dallas last year) are perhaps the best in the league. OLBs go up against the tackles most of the time (and TEs too), but not much against guards/center.
Doom is our only good pass rusher
which means he was drawing the double team, the guards or the TE were helping. When he happened to get one on one, it was a sack. Ware was single teamed as they have more than one (though he is the best) and I don’t believe he even smelled Orton’s breath.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jul 23, 2010 12:36 AM MDT up reply actions
For the same money you would take Doom over Ware?
Using PFF stats, Ware only had no sacks or QB hits in two of 16 games (one was against us – the Clady factor?). Doom had no sacks or QB hits in five of 16 games. Over the season, Doom had more sacks, 17 to 12 (most important statistic), but Ware dominated the other statistics: QB hits/pressures, 80 to 38, and tackles/assists, 52 to 29. Ware is better in coverage too and is in the game for a higher percentage of defensive snaps (I agree Doom was a 2+ down player, but Ware was a real 3 down player).
So Doom won the sack battle, but Ware was better in every other way, including consistency. Regarding Doom and Ware, Dallas has the better player (by a lot) and the better salary cap deal.
That is not a valid question.
That is like asking, “For the same money would you take Eli over Peyton?” Of course not, but that is not an option. There are only a handful of OLBs that I would take over Doom at this moment and none of them will hit the open market anytime soon. We had to act when we had the opportunity.
I ask you this, how would you have felt if we didnt get a deal done and lost him in free agency next year?
Better than over paying
Losing someone to free agency, like Doom, should be worth at least a third round comp draft pick. I agree that is not a good trade-off, but look at the consistently good NFL teams. One common factor is that they lose good players to free agency, because they do not overpay. Look at all the free agents that have left Indy, Pitt, NE, Balt, Philly – and the free agents SD is losing – and look at the trades those teams make too – to get some value out of players they would likely lose.
I thought we were following that model, trading away players that we would likely lose to free agency, or have to overpay to keep. But I think we are paying at least 50% too much for Doom. If we were paying $27 million guarantee, and an additional $39 million total over the added five years ($7.8 million/yr), then adding several million in incentives (making pro bowl, playing time) – that would probably be ok. Those are still very high numbers for an OLB.
You are implying above that it is good to overpay to be sure of retaining a good player, even in cases like this, when you will have that player in a contract year. I disagree. I would rather have our GM act like Alex Smith (SD). With our strategy, McD is going to have to super out coach SDs coach over the upcoming years, because SD will continue to have better overall personnel, by not overpaying. That is reality – with a hard salary cap.
The opposite example is Oakland, a consistent doormat, because they over pay too many players.
You are forgetting
Elvis accomplished those stats in his 1st full year as a 3-4 OLB…
by theflanman86 on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Not forgetting that
First, others getting money comparable to Doom (examples Ware, Peppers, J Allen), had proven performance at their position over multiple years. Doom is just a proven pass rusher, not a proven All Pro over more than one year.
Doom’s performance dropped off during the year, last year (not dramatically, but better 1st 8 games versus last 8). Could that be because it took teams time to learn the Broncos scheme – and now, going forward they can take advantage of Doom’s weaknesses. Or that Doom over achieved because it was a contract year.
If Doom makes All Pro 3 of next 4 years, then great – and this deal is ok, but I doubt that happens. If not, we will have overpaid.
I believe you may need to work on your math skills a little bit. According to PFF, Ware had 45 (not 52) tackles+assists, with 3 missed tackles. Dumerville had 29 tackles+assists, with no missed tackles. Ware had 33 stops to Dumerville’s 31. Without going through the film, I don’t know how you can tell how those tackle numbers reflect on Doom’s ability to stop the run. I mean he didn’t miss any tackles. Maybe they just didn’t run to his position very often or he was schemed away from the run. Their stops, that is the number of times they were personally responsible for an unsuccessful play in either the passing or running game were about the same. But I’ll grant that Ware is a better player right now. And if Ware were a free agent right now, he’d get a good bit more than Doom just got. For whatever reason, there is considerable contract inflation every year, so how much you get paid depends as much on when you signed your contract as how good you are. Eli is getting paid more than Payton right now not because he is better but because he signed a contract more recently. But when Payton signs his new contract he will get more than Eli.
The other factor in Doom’s contract is that when he gets his money is really delayed. There is a time value to money, and instead of a fat signing bonus like Ware got, he doesn’t really see any money over the tender offer until the next football season, after the lockout if there is one. And he only gets about 10 mil at that point, the rest being doled out over the rest of the contract.
Also, just as an aside, tackles could often indicate negative performance in coverage. It means that your guy got open and caught the ball, forcing you to tackle him. The tackle is better than not tackling him after the catch, but really good coverage would result in the guy not getting open or not catching the pass, which would result in no tackle. It’s hard to get a lot out of the tackle stat from guys who are asked to do a lot of other things besides stop ball-carriers.
Agree with your tackles comment, when coverage is a responsibility
That is why I think most poeple on the MHR over rate Goodman. I like Goodman but think less of him than most Broncos fans, because I think he is well below average, for starting CBs, at run support. Posters here have used Goodman’s tackles stat to justify that he is ok against the run. But I believe Goodman has a reasonable tackles stat because we have Champ on the other side and so teams throw more (and run more) at Goodman and he makes most of those tackles after the catch or on runs too far downfield.
My math skills are ok, but ..
Sorry, I used D Wares detail page for some of the stats I reported (and that page included his two playoff games). I should not have included those playoof stats.
Corrected tackles/assists for regular season, are as you stated, Ware 45, Doom 29. Also QB hits/pressures were Ware 73, Doom 38 (not 80 to 38). But Ware still dominates.
And “Stops”, includes both all sacks and most tackles (for OLBs). I gave Doom full credit for the sacks, so reporting on “stops” too is repeating data twice.
Time value of money is not very much now (with record low interest rates). What is important for the Broncos is salary cap money each year, starting with next year. So from what you said above, it appears most of Dooms money will count after this year – and will count a lot towards our future salary cap. That is worse than having more money count this year (no cap).
Ware’s contract was signed less than a year ago and with the poor economic situation wages are increasing much less than before. Also Ware’s contract is for a longer period, bracketing Doom’s contract. So while I agree with your Mannings’ contracts comments (several years separating their contracts), I think Ware’s contract is very valid to compare to Doom’s.
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Agree Ware would get some more money now, but not because of inflation. He would get more now because he continues to be dominating year after year, and last year had another great year, post signing of a long term contract.
Hope Doom has a better year this year (and he can do that with fewer sacks), but I do not think he is a consistent All Pro talent like Ware. And you can make a good case the NFC has more top level DE/OLB competition than the AFC.
That’s a good point. Ware’s production prior to signing the contract was 20 sacks, only 33 hits plus pressures, 57 tackles, and 3 missed tackles. Those numbers seem more in line with Doom’s producting last year than Ware’s production this year. I almost think that the 56 pressures might be an error. No one else has topped 40 in the years that PFF has tracked it, and Ware had 21 and 14 the two prior years. But maybe he was just that dominent a pass rusher last year.
As to the cap hit, I’m not sure but I don’t think doling the money out over time negatively affects the cap situation. If they gave it to him all at once in a signing bonus, they don’t (or didn’t under the old CBA at least) count it all against the cap this year, but rather prorate it through the contract. Spreading out the payments just gives the team more flexibility with their cash to spend this year and in coming years. In my opinion, the cash on hand usually plays a much larger role in what you can do signing wise then the salary cap does. The Redskins can bring in big money free agents each year because they’ve got a ton of cash to give to them up front. The cap stuff can largely be manipulated to make things work.
I agree regarding how bonuses affect each years salary cap. Not sure how this uncapped year affects things. Maybe, Doom’s deal is structured because of requirements of the weird rules this year and managements best guess about the contents of the next CBA?? I was just hoping that more of Doom’s huge contract would count his year and less would count when the salary cap resumes.
However I believe the salary cap is what really limits the Broncos spending (not cash on hand). Bowlen has been a great owner, willing to use cash bonuses, to get and reward players. I believe the Broncos have been using almost all the salary cap. Remember back in the late 90s the Broncos had a draft pick taken away (and I think were fined) because of a salary cap violation.
The Redskins are pound foolish, and consistently finish behind the penny wise Eagles. It’s good we have another pound foolish guy, Al Davis, in our division. But we have one of the best salary cap general managers too, A Smith, and he has been kicking our butt. Lots fans here are gloating about the McNeil and Jackson issues. But after seeing how much we are paying Doom, I think the Chargers are likely to remain on top going forward, despite the current disputes.
I want the Broncos to get back on top – and I have been a strong believer in McDaniels, until now. This contract and selecting Tebow have me worried about the future.
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what’s up Jamie Dukes?!
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by Nick Cast on Jul 23, 2010 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kizla
now follows me on Twitter (Broncos Italy, FYI), so I have to be nice….
Brad James
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It's
too early to make that assessment yet. He’s not replied to anything. However, as a media member myself, it’s nice to have fellow journalists in bigger markets follow me.
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by the new Bradfather on Jul 23, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree that this is a lot of money to be giving to one player.
That being said, the market dictates the price of a player and Doom definately would have drawn a bidding war if he became a free agent. It was either give him this type of money, or lose him.
He led the league in sacks in his first year in the system and will only get better as he gets more experienced in it. He is a model citizen and never complained in the exact situation that others are holding out because of, see Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill. He is well liked on the team and is a favorite among the fanbase. Any team in the NFL who runs the 3-4 defense would love to add a player of this caliber. This resigning is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign that management are excited about the player they have and are willing to pay for talent.
Sigh
And on the NFL page on ESPN this story along with Colt McCoy getting signed are just below “Brad Childress doesn’t know what Brett Favre is doing” seriously? non-news tripe with Brett Favre’s name on it still outranks these signings? makes me sad-face
Sometimes men wear stretchy pants...just for fun.
Pay no attention to rhetoric, especially in headlines...it would just make you dumber
I love it!
From what I saw, all class in these negotiations, from both sides. It’s relieving to know we have Doom’s deal done. Time for the rooks!
Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Jabar Gaffney, Eddie Royal..Brandon who?
Doom just spoke! Sounds a little different from what certain former Bronco would say.
“It’s going to be tough but a lot of teams passed on me before the Broncos selected me with the 126th pick,’’ Dumervil said. ""I’m wanting to show these other teams what they missed out on. I’m obsessed with that. I feel bitter about those decisions. Now I want to prove to other teams that the Broncos were right in wanting to reward me by extending me.
""I’m just getting started. I don’t play the game for money. It’s nice to know I don’t have to have to worry about taking care of my family, but I love the game. That alone, I expect to stay in double-digits in sacks.’’
I have often heard players say they play for love and not money, but I've rarely believed them.
Dumervils actions prove the legitimacy of his words. This is the type of player that truly deserves to get rewarded. I am proud to be able to root for him for 6 more years.
Nice
Doom will be wreaking havoc for opposing offenses for years to come, and he’ll do it in orange and blue!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 AM MDT reply actions
I am very satisfied with this deal.
I can now go to bed secure in the knowledge that, for at least one night, all is right in Broncos Country.
This also bodes very
Well, for current and future free agents, that if you get on board, play well and act like a professional then truley you will be rewarded, which is how it should be with any business
Hey guys i am a new member here but i hang around MHR a lot so eventually you will get to know me
Varun Yeturi
Welcome aboard, Broncodude.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
If someone owned an ICEE truck and wanted to kidnap me, I'd let them.
by Troy Hufford on Jul 23, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions
NICE NAME CHOICE
WOOOO
"What are you, stupid? It doesn't take a rocket doctor to figure that one out!" -Frank Caliendo as George Bush
by broncodude793 on Jul 23, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
And there was MUCH rejoicing!
Yaaaaaayyyy
Well done front office…..get the rooks signed by Monday and all will be right in Broncosland!
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Lol broncodude793, oh btw in your name what does793 stand for, your favorite players numbers?
Varun Yeturi
Elway and Trevor Pryce
I had it awhile ago and all user names for all sights had 793. It’s easier to keep it than change everything.
"What are you, stupid? It doesn't take a rocket doctor to figure that one out!" -Frank Caliendo as George Bush
by broncodude793 on Jul 27, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
this is fun
taste my blitzkrieg!
sign champ now
Arrrrrrgh
What is McX doing? I thought we were playing hardball. McX doesn’t even KNOW HOW to play hardball. Now we wouldn’t even have enough money to pay Cutler and Marshall and Scheffler if we still had them.
Oops, wrong website. I’ll be over at the DP.com if anybody needs me.
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