Broncos Sign Elvis Dumervil To 6-Year Extension
by John Bena on Jul 23, 2010 3:13 AM MDT
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A few weeks ago, as concern over the contract status of Elvis Dumervil grew, I wrote that Dumervil would get his extension before the start of camp. This would happen, in my opinion, because BOTH SIDES wanted it to. The Broncos wanted Elvis and Elvis wanted the Broncos. That was the main difference between this situation and some other in the recent past.
I was so confident in this, I chose Doom for the cover of the Broncos Annual 2010. This was no light decision. I wanted a player, someone that was the present and future face of the Broncos. To me, that is Dumervil.
The deal did get done, with over a week to spare. Based on the money - reportedly $61 million over 6 years, with somewhere around $43 million in guaranteed dough, the Broncos proved they really, REALLY want Elvis Dumervil.
"I am pleased to announce the extension of Elvis Dumervil's contract with the Denver Broncos," General Manager Brian Xanders said. "He has established himself as one of the NFL's premier pass rushers, and he's an important part of the foundation we are building with this team. We are excited to have him as an integral part of the Broncos well into the future."
Dumervil, a fifth-year player, became the first Bronco in team history to lead the NFL in sacks with a club-record 17 in 2009 as a Pro Bowl starter and a first-team Associated Press All-Pro choice. Selected by the Broncos in the fourth round (126th overall) of the 2006 NFL Draft from the University of Louisville, Dumervil ranks third in the league with 43 sacks since his rookie season.
"We are thrilled to have agreed to terms with Elvis Dumervil on a contract extension," Head Coach Josh McDaniels said. "Elvis is a very talented player who will help lead our defense and is also an outstanding person and teammate. The way he has handled this lengthy negotiation this offseason is a great example of the type of player and person we want on our team. We look forward to Elvis' impact for many years to come."
In 61 career games (45 starts) for the Broncos, Dumervil has totaled 168 tackles (130 solo), 11 forced fumbles, eight fumble recoveries, 10 pass breakups and one interception (27 yds.).
See below for some additional notes on Dumervil's career:
- His 43 career sacks tie for the 10th-highest total in NFL history through a player's first four seasons while his 14 career multiple-sack games tie for the fourth most in league annals through a player's first four seasons.
- Dumervil's accolades in 2009 also included first-team All-Pro honors from Pro Football Weekly/PFWA, The Sporting News and ESPN.com. He also was named the NFL Alumni Pass Rusher of the Year and received the Darrent Williams Good Guy Award as voted on by the Denver media.
- Dumervil tied as the second-fastest player in NFL history to 10 sacks in a season during the 2009 campaign, reaching that mark in just six games.
- The pass rusher recorded 11 sacks on third down last season that tied for the most in the NFL during a single year since at least 1991. He owns a league-high 27.5 sacks on third downs since his rookie year in 2006.
- Dumervil has registered three games with at least three sacks for his career, including four quarterback takedowns vs. Cleveland (9/20/09) that tied the Broncos' single-game record.
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damn
this is a great way to start a Friday going into a weekend,
Great News
A little concerned with the cost, the man can rush the passer and steps up on third down but thats a lot of money for a guy not considered a great run stopper too.
Still, we needed him and the man changes games. If this is what it takes, so be it
Bronco Learning Curve
Ask teams with great general management?
NE, Indy, Balt, Pitt, Philly, SD …. They do not over pay – and they lose/trade good players.
This is D Ware, J Peppers, J Allen money. They are more proven game changers and better overall players than Doom. If you over pay by much, with the reality of a hard salary cap, you have no chance of being a consistent top NFL team.
What salary cap do you keep talking about
Because there isn’t one in the NFL currently, or a CBA for that matter. Until there is, you have no idea what “too much” is.
Me, I’ll trust the experts that are paid to make these decisions.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 23, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably
But nobody knows how it’ll apply or how much it’ll be. Until those things are worked out, you simply don’t know what “too much” is.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 23, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
continued
I hit the wrong key twice
There may not be 2011 season, but for the next season (and beyond) there will be a hard cap. Even D Smith is saying that the players are happy with the current CBA.
“Too much” is paying a lot more to a player at a position, than comparable players make. If Doom is as good, overall, as Ware, Peppers, and J Allen, then his contract is ok. I think Doom is a very good player, but is well below the level of those three – and a reasonable deal for the Broncos would be about 1/3 less money. Teams that pay some players too much, can not afford to keep/get the other players necessary to consistently have a top team. That is reality, when there is a hard salary cap.
OK
Those that are paid to make these decisions very clearly disagree with your opinion.
Me, I’m cool with that.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 23, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
and there is currently a CBA
This year is operating under the terms of the last CBA. The owners exercised an option, opting out early, but this year the NFL is operating under the last (and current) CBA.
True
I stand corrected. But this CBA, won’t be the next CBA. Therefore, one simply doesn’t know what the future will hold in these areas.
I’m absolutely fine with the signing, as the vast majority appear to be as well. Guess we’ll see if the Broncos should hire you as GM and Salary cap manager.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 23, 2010 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Not saying they should hire me (LOL),
there are plenty of better GMs than me, but hiring me would be better than hiring one of the dreamers posting today.
OK
Well clearly everyone has their take on it, but only a few people’s (that don’t post here) actually matter. I have to wonder though, why you think low-balling Elvis would’ve been a wise move.
The guy has done everything right, and to low-ball him would’ve been a huge insult, one that would’ve festered in the locker room. Don’t see how that would’ve helped the team.
Fact is, sack artists get paid- like it or not. Elvis led the League last year- he was gonna get his money, either from us or someone else.
Me, I’m glad to retain his services, and for a player like Elvis, I feel we got excellent value.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with not low balling Elvis. Given that Kizla threw a number out, a few weeks ago, that was close to this new contract, if the Broncos thought that was too high, they had a public relations challenge, if Doom would not accept a lower number.
If Doom is really worth all the new money, then great. I think Doom is a fine individual and a valuable player, but not worth that much against the salary cap in the future. The best teams general managements find a way to not overpay, and to both retain and motivate most of their best players (but they do lose some excellent players). Some teams tend to overpay too many players and they usually have less successful teams over the longer term – look at the Raiders over the past several years and all the guys they clearly overpaid – one of the best examples of pure overpayment was Jevon Walker, as a free agent – what were they thinking? (I think J Russell was more of a drafting mistake, since he had no history as a pro).
Team management is a tough job – look at the challenge A. Smith is handling by being tough with V Jackson and McNeil. I think A. Smith is a top general manager – he certainly has been kicking our buts – even without having great drafts the past few years.
how much is much
You’re entitled to believe what you wish here, and as a Highland Scot I’ll never argue with frugality. However, Dumervil’s contract terms are based on his ability as a sacker, which is a highly valuable skill and a well-rewarded one, too. Dumervil didn’t have to remain as a Bronco after 2010 so it’s not as if we could low ball him and force him to accept. And I also think that he’s the type of player (to be contrasted with Marshall or Cutler) that they want to remain as part of the team. A lot of teams would willingly pay him what we did if he were to have gone the FA route so the question was only what his skill was worth on the open market.
We can quibble about the terms but they are justifiable given contracts like Ware’s. His contract is worth 2 million more per year and had a 20 million signing bonus. Dumervil’s pay is still low this season but he strikes it rich in 2011 and 2012. Being the NFL sack leader and an all star makes his salary justifiable. And our team salary is still very reasonable. I think the best math for this discussion is the cost we aren’t paying for Cutler and Marshall and the draft picks we got in return. We had to pay somebody what the market demands but we recouped our value when the price was too high in other cases.
no goats, no glory.
the proven experts "paid to make these decisions"
work for the teams mentioned above, not the Broncos
cohiker... hehehe
Why are you comparing DE’s Peppers & Allen to OLB??? bad comparison & analysis…
oc60
"I'd rather have a lot of talent and a little experience than a lot of experience and a little talent." John Wooden
right??
They do much of the same thing on the field – and are elite difference maker players. It’s not as if Doom is a traditional OLB with coverage skills; Doom is a rushing OLB. If you take Peppers and Allen out (because they are 4/3 DEs not 3/4 OLBs) then Dooms contract looks even more excessive. Look at other, better, 3/4 OLBs such as J Harrison, who has a much lower contract. There are other 3/4 OLBs that most (at least most outside of Denver) would consider to be approximately as good a player as Doom, such as Woodley, A Spencer, C Matthews. We are paying Doom as if he is the P Manning of OLBs; and he is not. If anyone is that, it is Ware or Harrison.
I have listened to you for a while
While I think Dumervile struggles a bit in pass coverage and run support clearly the Broncos have made their choice. What do you think the NFL sack leader would have garnered on the open market? much less? I don’t! Sacks are a huge deal and a big game changer. they demoralize an offensive line, worry a quarterback and force hurried plays. a man who has put up multiple multi-sack seasons is worth his pay check. 2nd and long 3rd and long 4th and long, these are the guys who get it done. Ware is a liability against the run as well so to say that he is a true OLB is silly to me! If he was an every down player Ware would be in on pass coverage as well but he isn’t. Ware is a line OLB and plays at the line 90% of the snaps. He has much worse tackling ability than Doom and ins’t as agile as Doom. I think we got value personally!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Jul 23, 2010 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOW!
Posted at 3 AM Mountain. Now that’s dedication. What terrific news to read first thing in the morning! Thanks!
Watching a bunch of overblown offseason MSM hot air balloons deflate is becoming routine in Denver. Once again, most sports pundits are exposed for what they are… really rotten guessers stirring up controversy with zero accountability or credibility. Thanks, Broncos and fans, for keeping the faith.
Congratulations, DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like Josh. But I need Ws.
This also bodes
Well, for current and future free agents, that if you get on board, play well and act like a professional then truley you will be rewarded, which is how it should be with any business
by broncos314 on Jul 23, 2010 7:21 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree!
The way he has handled this lengthy negotiation this offseason is a great example of the type of player and person we want on our team.
What a contrast to Cutler/Marshall. Not only do they retain an excellent player, they send a crystal clear message to the rest of the team and everyone else around the NFL.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
AM bother my exact words...
Now get the rookies done by next Tuesday and then Champ Bailey!
oc60
"I'd rather have a lot of talent and a little experience than a lot of experience and a little talent." John Wooden
Phillip Rivers cringes
Cassel says ‘put someone else at QB on third downs when we play them, or can we just always run on third downs, when we play the Broncos?’
Campbell doesn’t have a clue…. Yet…. Only like 1 and a 1/2 of a clue.
Super stoked! Talk about making it a great Friday! All the more reason to wear my Dumervil jersey to TC, maybe I can get him to sign it…. Wait, then I’d have the urge to not wear it…. Dang, that’s a tough one.
That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 23, 2010 7:22 AM MDT reply actions
Congratulations Elvis
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
He is making more than Marshall. Hum…
They were both vastly underpaid the past few years so it’s nice to know both were taken care of. They each earned their dollars.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
nice observation. I wonder if Elvis will send a belated wedding gift to Marshall of framed clipping of his contract terms.
"You are worthress, Arec Barrwin!" - Kim Jong II
by Orange and Blue on Jul 23, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Between Marshall and Elvis, I think you have two huge winners that are living large right about now.
And then you have guys like Vincent Jackson, Austin and McNeil saying “WTF”.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Marshall most definitely got his. But he’ll always be a “former” Bronco. Elvis, hopefully, can keep it up and make it onto the Ring of Fame. Now he just needs to focus on stopping the run too.
"You are worthress, Arec Barrwin!" - Kim Jong II
by Orange and Blue on Jul 23, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Glad to see Elvis get resigned, I was worried he'd get Trevor Pryce'd
Quitter's People United member #35
In order to get Trevor Price'd
We would have to have a different head coach that doesnt think defense is very important….I wont mention any names. coughshanahancough.
by BroncoRick69 on Jul 23, 2010 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doom!
Shows what a good attitude and hard work ethic can get you in and era of “me me me” NFL…He deserves it. And so do we!
Someone out there
Know how this contract compares to other pass rushers?
"I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay Puft!"
Not as high as Ware and Peppers in total monies, BUT...
the highest in GUARANTEED money. Good for Doom and the Broncos!
FinaFrickenlly
People take many things way too serious.
I can get a rise out of you.
Oh hey Guys of MHR I am a new guy but I hang around MHR alot. I love the broncos and i know almost everyone here at MHR from mcgeorge to Sayre to Kaptin Kirk To Negative Nelly to ect.
Varun Yeturi
Welcome!
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by broncodude793 on Jul 23, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Long lost brothers reunite! ;-)
(welcome!)
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Awesome
and now that Dez is signed shouldnt Tebow and Thomas be signed soon too. Dez was right between them iirc
WTF GEREN?!?!?!
Nice!!
Great deal for Elvis and for Bronco fans. The dude is just easy to root for and is the type of badass that’s not going to go Haynsworth on you once you show him the cash. As 314 said above, it’s also very important to the McX regime to pay one of its best players—every guy on that roster now knows that if they perform and are not a complete jackass, the Broncos will stuff the coffers.
Won't bow. Don't know how.
Sigh...
Not one to be negative, BUT….
This is a lot of cheddar to throw at a guy who is tiny, is a sack specialist and who had one good year.
I like Elvis a lot and am glad he is staying. And maybe that is just the price you have to pay to keep a guy, you have to overpay.
Glad he’s here, just sayin’….
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jul 23, 2010 9:22 AM MDT reply actions
And a lot of this is about message I think..
McD needed to show the team that players who demonstrate strong character and solid play will be rewarded.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jul 23, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
One good year?
Sacks are valuable, my friend. They’re instant loss of play and yardage, and can halt a drive in their tracks. And since he entered the league, only Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware have registered more sacks than Doom. I say pay him heartily. He’ll only get better at manning the linebacker position.
I have my freedom, but I don't have much time.
One good year?
He has the 3rd most sacks in the league since his rookie year. He is the league leader in 3rd down sacks since his rookie year.
Since DOOM has come into the league only 2 people have more sacks then him and nobody has more sacks on 3rd down. He hasn’t had just one good year. He’s been a sack machine during his entire career so far. He’s had 3 solid to very good years and one excellent year.
Yes, that is the price you have to pay to keep a guy. We needed an elite pass rusher for years and when you finally get one you have to do what it takes to keep him.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
True
I’m still hesitant about THAT big of money… but we need Doom to stay no matter what. Period end of story – great to have him for a while now!
and has been a sack monster in both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes
he’s a beast. all these silly knocks on him – especially about height – are completely overblown. just put yourselves in the position of qbs in the league. elvis is scary.
Napoleon McDaniels
by RockyMountainHigh on Jul 25, 2010 3:48 AM MDT up reply actions
"a guy who is tiny"
are you serious? I dunno if you’ve played end or tackle in school, but dude, shorter ends give taller ones fits. and doom is very heavy at his height, which translates into speed and power. analysts and players have been talking about it for quite a while now… shorter is actually better. kind of like in soccer.
Napoleon McDaniels
by RockyMountainHigh on Jul 25, 2010 3:46 AM MDT up reply actions
and to reply to myself one more time...
I was glad to see this: “Broncos were right in wanting to reward me by extending me.”
""I’m just getting started. I don’t play the game for money. It’s nice to know I don’t have to have to worry about taking care of my family, but I love the game. That alone, I expect to stay in double-digits in sacks.’’
from here: http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/07/23/elvis-speaks-about-new-contract/3906/
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 AM MDT reply actions
Look out everybody because #92 is coming to get you.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
I heard about it on KOA this morning on the way to work and just about fist-pumped through the roof!
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
Doooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmm!
Awesome news this morning! It actually helped my wicked hangover just a little bit…
“Elvis Dumervil, easing hangovers since 2010…” Or should that say, “Pat Bowlen, Brian Xanders, and Josh McDaniels, easing hangovers since 2009…”
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
This is how its done
The guy signed a waiver to work out. He didn’t hold out. He didn’t punt footballs. He didn’t whine or stamp his feet. He signed a one-year tender so he could move forward without being a distraction. What a guy.
Long live the doominator.
I have my freedom, but I don't have much time.
Doooommm...
before anyone naysays the value of the contract-keep in mind that other teams GMs were saying that if he had entered free agency this year, he would have been the crown jewel of the free agent market. He was gonna get his money-from us or someone else. It is so refreshing to give the money to one of our own for a change.
but there was no "if" this year - he was not a free agent
If he played out this year and makes All Pro again, then he could have gotten around what we just guaranteed him (from us or someone else), certainly not much more, unless he became the best OLB/DE in the NFL. In the meantime, we would have paid him just over $3 MM during a contract year.
Odds are much greater that Doom is not a consistent All Pro, than him becoming the best OLB/DE in the NFL. Doom is very good, but has weaknesses (run defense, coverage) that can be exploited, as either a DE or OLB.
I like that we have (and will keep) Doom, but not at this price.
Right, which means if he continued on his current tracjectory
he’d be even more expensive when that time came and the Broncos very likely would have lost him. You lock up your best players. This is a trend in baseball these days, too, lock up your youngest star players with extensions before free agency and those teams actually end up saving money over projected costs for said player later. It sounds expensive and risky but overall it’s more sound than you make it, well, sound. ;-)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Yes!
Great way to get the season started. Can’t wait to see what he can do next year.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
bout time!
This really sets a great example of how Broncos players can and will be rewarded.
Proud Colorado native.
Bronco fan since 1973..
Future father of 2 NFL stars.
Risky
Dumervil isn’t quite proven – one great year. Unlike a lot of players with these numbers, he’s got a wide range of future potential. But since he was more consistent over the entire season than the rest of the defense was, I think it’s a good risk for the Broncos to take. I would have liked to have seen a bit less guaranteed money, though, and more performance-based money.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
i have to change my sig line to “champ” now, and i’m good to go. overpaid? i don’t think so. elvis is a man, he will work his tail off to earn it. i counted about 30 sacks last year if he wasn’t tackled/mauled with or without a penalty call. pressure, forget about it. this guy is just a plain pain-in-the-ass to deal with. tackling, positioning,… will improve this year.
i have no doubt he will work as much as possible where he is lacking, but make no mistake, he is an elite pass-rusher, first and foremost. and i for one am cool with that. this also will bode well for the locker room, and does set an example. congrats to mcx and co., they will not regret this one penny. happy, happy, happy,…
taste my blitzkrieg!
sign doom now
i was so happy this morning
when i heard the news
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Cohiker take a hike
Ive liked dumervil since the day he set the NCAA single game sack record with 6… yeah friggin 6 in one game… then the Broncos drafted him and I couldnt of been more pleased.. Hes only gotten better every year and was in his first year in a new scheme and led the NFL in sacks… not to mention what a class act he has been… He is worth every penny and will prove it for years to come!! Because of this signing I just decided to buy me a Dumervil Jersey, my first Bronco Jersey since Terrell Davis!! WHOO GO BRONCOS
by Broncos808 on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
keep dreaming
I like Dumervil too. Good for him – and for the Broncos this year, although we would have had him anyway!. But I think this will hurt the Broncos going forward because there will be salary cap. I am disappointed in management, for over paying; and I was a strong supporter of McDaniels.
A great player gets what he DESERVES....
There's lots of ways to lose your life. All at once............or one day at a time.
Cohiker has a right to his opinion.
I welcome opposite views. That’s what makes MHR better than other message boards. That said, this is a good move in my opinion. A dominant rushing OLB is a cornerstone of a 3-4. Elvis is that guy. The sacks are easy to remember, but don’t forget he was flying around the field last year making tackles as well. I expect him to keep getting better with experience. I am more worried about the other OLBs. There is a lot of money tied up at that position if Aires and Moss don’t pan out.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Jul 23, 2010 4:33 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
other OLB contracts
That’s one of the benefits of the draft; players still on their initial contract are relatively cheap. A team that drafts well has a number of good players who are outperforming their contracts. The only exceptions to this are busts and players who are drafted near the top of the 1st, who can’t not underperform (pardon the double negative) unless they become instant pro-bowlers. Moss is still on his old contract so it’s merely a question of what they think he’s worth. I don’t think his bargaining position is going to be particularly strong and cutting him (not re-signing him) is the obvious solution if they can’t come to reasonable terms next year.
Talk of the salary cap has failed to address our overall numbers, which are good (last I saw). There’s a danger of succumbing to the fallacy of the 3 foot river (the average depth of it, as in you can’t drown in one). Our number of high picks in recent times lowers the average for the team salary as measured by talent per dollar spent. Dumervil’s salary doesn’t break the salary structure because it’s not a set figure, besides being in-line with what a player of his stature should expect to earn. Salary numbers have to be examined in the context of the entire team. As the clear-cut sack leader on our team (and by a ways), his salary is expected to be quite high.
Curiously, teams that ‘recycle’ their talent by trading off some of their expensive but highly regarded players can continue to stockpile talent at a somewhat cheaper price and maintain an equilibrium of high talent at a less than market value into perpetuity. Also, judicious spending in free agency is a dominant strategy since teams can’t afford to have too many top tier players in terms of salary.
no goats, no glory.
perspective of the contract
It’s easy to get caught up in phantom numbers that sound impressive but aren’t nearly as hard as they seem. We saw this when Marshall signed, and those who examined the terms after the celebration found that the cited numbers were not what they seemed. Here’s a BleacherReport article, and I’m sorry about linking to them but they’ve done a good job on this subject.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/424177-what-denver-broncos-elvis-dumervil-will-actually-get-paid
BTW — Dumervil’s numbers are right in the range where I thought they’d be. There’s always a leapfrogging effect which makes only the most recent contracts appropriate for comparison, and numbers must be projected onto a time period with expected inflation factored in. I see the complaints about it being excessive in some comments above but the dollar figures are appropriate for a player in his position (R-OLB) and of his level of achievement (pro-bowl, SACK leader). More importantly, his wage guarantees are not part of an initial signing bonus so they’re not really completely guaranteed.
Sports fans hear these numbers then complain about how overpaid athletes are, and how real workers like themselves should be getting the money instead. Yet Dumervil will not see every penny of this contract, not even the “guaranteed” portion. In fact, he won’t ever see the majority of all of it.
The contract is made up of rolling guarantees from year to year, meaning if Dumervil is still on the roster each year, he receives a guaranteed bonus. However, if he is released by the team before these points in time, he does not receive any of it.
The most relevant issue at this point is how a strike year affects the numbers. The somewhat front-loaded nature of the contract is a significant detail since Dumervil will lose his 2011 $8 million in salary to a strike year, and the number may be even higher depending on how the skill guarantee clause is interpreted (I’m not sure so I’ll leave it to others to figure out). All contracts being negotiated at this point have to finesse the issue of the strike year. And not many negotiations are being successfully completed because of this problem.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Jul 23, 2010 4:33 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
wow, great find!
Upon examination, it looks as though the Broncos have done a fantastic job of accounting for risk in the way this is structured. KUDOS to X for protecting the team the way he did, and kudos to Doom’s agent for agreeing to a structure which will hold his man accountable. No wonder this contract took so d—d long to complete. I have a headache now just reading the summary!
Thanks for posting the link.
I like Josh. But I need Ws.
by broncosmontana on Jul 24, 2010 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes
There is protection for the Broncos in the contract, primarily strike/lockout protection, which is certainly relevant given the likelihood of one. The Broncos could conceivably trade him or cut him and wouldn’t be obligated for as much money, since it’s a series on guarantees that only come into effect if he’s still on the roster.
I’m still waiting for clarification on how the skill guarantee works. I believe it’s like the injury protection in that he’s guaranteed that money even if his skill declines. The real issue here is that it’s monies to be paid then rather than now, and then can be a lockout year. If they had given him a mammoth signing bonus then he’d have the money now. Dumervil’s contract locks him in for most of the money (skill guarantees in 2011 and 2012 along with injury guarantees for about 2/3rds in the near future) but he could still be cut or traded and the so-called guarantees for the later portion of the contract wouldn’t apply.
I guess the crux of the issue is that Dumervil has to remain on the roster to guarantee his salary. He’s fairly well protected int the next few years but the team could cut it’s losses before the contract expires and not owe all the ‘guaranteed’ money. Those monies are guaranteed contingent on him being a Bronco at the time they mature (come into effect).
I’ll happily acknowledge my ignorance on this subject if someone shows a better understanding. I’m merely going with my own best interpretation. Marshall’s contract with Miami is far worse in terms of seeming to promise more than it actually delivers. The issue here isn’t incentives, however.
no goats, no glory.
oh, and as much as it pains me to do this to a Bleacher Report link… rec’d!!
I like Josh. But I need Ws.
by broncosmontana on Jul 24, 2010 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link, but that bleacherreport is more confusing than helpful
At least to me.
I heard Doom, on the radio yesterday, respond that he thought the contract was more front loaded (with money). That comment seems to conflict with the article on bleacherreport. I interpret the article to indicate Doom will only get $2.5 million, plus a minimum salary, for this year – which is about the same as he would make under the restricted tender. Perhaps the weird CBA terms in effect this year prevent the 2010 money from being higher?? – So the real money starts in 2011 – as that article states?? I do not understand how that is consistent with Doom’s comment.
The article also states (regarding the guaranteed $43+Milliom) “In fact, he won’t ever see the majority of all of it.” But there is no logical explantion for why he will not see the majority of it.
terms
[again, my apologies for late responses but my ISP has been on the fritz for almost a whole day]
Dumervil ‘IS’ being paid on a tender for this year. A tender is a bona fide contract (and not too bad when compared to how much he made last year). Dumervil’s new contract is an extension that covers the time period after this upcoming season.
The biggest issue with Dumervil’s contract is the possibility that a strike/lockout will void the 8 million in bonus money he would have earned in 2011. And a voided period longer than a year (if there’s still an impasse by the players and the NFL) could impact the terms of 2012.
The frontloading occurs next year and the year after it. The terms are actually lower in the last two years of the contract, which avoids the truly illusionary money that the player never reaches because he’s cut by then.
no goats, no glory.
Cohiker has a right to his opinion.
I welcome opposite views. That’s what makes MHR better than other message boards. That said, this is a good move in my opinion. A dominant rushing OLB is a cornerstone of a 3-4. Elvis is that guy. The sacks are easy to remember, but don’t forget he was flying around the field last year making tackles as well. I expect him to keep getting better with experience. I am more worried about the other OLBs. There is a lot of money tied up at that position if Aires and Moss don’t pan out.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Jul 23, 2010 4:34 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
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