McDaniels---Recieving the stats
Earlier this month I posted some stats on McDaniels and how much rushing he has done since becoming an offensive coordinator in 2006. Know I want to look at the Passers, and receivers. Lets see how they have fared in his system.
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We all know what kind of production he had in 2007 and I don't think anybody thinks he will repeat that for a while. I don't think anybody thinks we have the next Tom Bradyin our system either. First lets look at the QB's in McD's system:
| Year | Player | Record | G | GS | Att | Comp | Pct. | Yds | Avg | TD | TD% | Int | Int% | Rating |
| 2009 | Kyle Orton | 8-7 | 16 | 15 | 541 | 336 | 62.1 | 3802 | 7.03 | 21 | 3.88 | 12 | 2.22 | 86.8 |
| 2008 | Matt Cassel | 10-5 | 16 | 15 | 516 | 327 | 63.4 | 3693 | 7.16 | 21 | 4.07 | 11 | 2.13 | 89.4 |
| 2007 | Tom Brady | 16-0 | 16 | 16 | 578 | 398 | 68.9 | 4806 | 8.31 | 50 | 8.65 | 8 | 1.38 | 117.2 |
| 2006 | Tom Brady | 12-4 | 16 | 16 | 516 | 319 | 61.8 | 3529 | 6.84 | 24 | 4.65 | 12 | 2.33 | 87.9 |
| 4-Year Avg. | 11.5-4.0 | 16 | 16 | 538 | 344 | 63.9 | 3959 | 7.36 | 29 | 5.39 | 11 | 2.04 | 95.3 | |
Kyle Orton was going to be a fill in, no good Quarterback for us last year and he ended up with the 2nd most in Att, Comp, and Yds. Not bad for a guy who was just learning a system and had a bunch of fans booooooing him at Invesco Fields last year during practice. If you look at what Brady did in his first year verses what Orton did in his first year Orton wins out. Then take a look at what Brady did in his 2ndyear...WOW...do I expect Orton to take off like Brady...Ya, if I'm dreaming, but some where in between would be nice.Like: 16GS 547-359(65.6) 4168 (7.62) 37-10 would be dreaming for what Orton could produce so I'll go with: 16GS 532-330 (62.0) 3707 (6.97) 24-12. I don't see Orton getting any better then this. If he is going to be our QB of the future he would have to put up numbers closer to the first set rather then the last. Tebow is our future and if he does put up numbers close to the first he becomes great trade bate.
Looking at the wide receivers there has never been a better set of wide outs like 2007 for the Patriots. Do the 2010 Broncos have enough talented wide outs to equal that...probable not, but we should, IMO, have better numbers across the board as a unit. Lets look at the numbers:
| Wide Receivers | |||||||
| Player | Year | G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Td |
| Wes Welker | 2007 | 16 | 13 | 112 | 1175 | 10.5 | 8 |
| Wes Welker | 2008 | 16 | 14 | 111 | 1165 | 10.5 | 3 |
| Brandon Marshall | 2009 | 15 | 13 | 101 | 1120 | 11.1 | 10 |
| Randy Moss | 2007 | 16 | 16 | 98 | 1493 | 15.2 | 23 |
| Randy Moss | 2008 | 16 | 16 | 69 | 1008 | 14.6 | 11 |
| Reche Caldwell | 2006 | 16 | 14 | 61 | 760 | 12.5 | 4 |
| Jabar Gaffney | 2009 | 16 | 7 | 54 | 732 | 13.6 | 2 |
| Donte Stallworth | 2007 | 16 | 9 | 46 | 697 | 15.2 | 3 |
| Troy Brown | 2006 | 16 | 9 | 43 | 384 | 8.9 | 4 |
| Jabar Gaffney | 2008 | 16 | 7 | 38 | 468 | 12.3 | 2 |
| Eddie Royal | 2009 | 14 | 12 | 37 | 345 | 9.3 | 0 |
| Jabar Gaffney | 2007 | 16 | 7 | 36 | 449 | 12.5 | 5 |
| Doug Gabriel | 2006 | 12 | 5 | 25 | 344 | 13.8 | 3 |
| Brandon Stockley | 2009 | 16 | 2 | 19 | 327 | 17.2 | 4 |
| Chad Jackson* | 2006 | 12 | 1 | 13 | 152 | 11.7 | 3 |
| Jabar Gaffney | 2006 | 11 | 6 | 11 | 142 | 12.9 | 1 |
| Brandon Lloyd | 2009 | 2 | 1 | 8 | 117 | 14.6 | 0 |
| Sam Aiken | 2008 | 14 | 2 | 8 | 101 | 12.6 | 0 |
| Brandon Childress | 2006 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 3.5 | 0 |
| Kelvin Knight | 2006 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 9.0 | 0 |
| G | GS | REC | YDS | AVG | TD | ||
| Denver Broncos | 2009 | 63 | 35 | 219 | 2641 | 12.1 | 16 |
| New England Patriots | 2008 | 62 | 39 | 226 | 2742 | 12.1 | 16 |
| New England Patriots | 2007 | 64 | 45 | 292 | 3814 | 13.1 | 39 |
| New England Patriots | 2006 | 73 | 36 | 156 | 1798 | 11.5 | 15 |
| 262 | 155 | 893 | 10995 | 12.3 | 86 | ||
| Average | 66 | 40 | 225 | 2771 | 12.3 | 22 | |
| Avg. w/o 2007 | 66 | 37 | 201 | 2402 | 12.0 | 16 | |
There has only been 1...yes 1 rookie wide receiver for McD...Chad Jackson in 2006. He produced 152 yards on 13 rec. and 3 Td's. I hope our 2 rookie WRers can multiply that number by at least 8. If you look at the average number of starts for WRers of 40, that would mean that in at least half of the games played this year we start with 3 wide outs. I project our depth to look like this Gaffney, Thomas, Royal, Decker, and a wild card.
Gaffney is entering his 5th year under McD. He has finished, starting in 2006 to know, #5, #4, #3, and #2 last year. Could he be just climbing his way to the top...lets see. I project him having 49-625(12.8)-3. Not great but good numbers.
Thomas is a rookie that most of us want to see him put Dez's numbers to shame. As I have said before, no rookie has had more then 13 rec, 152 yds and 3 Td's under McD...until know: 76-1029(13.5)-12. Can you say Marshall who? I know its not Marshall like numbers but we would not be missing his off the field and on the practice field crap.
Royal had his sophomore slump and know it;s time for him to step it up into the Welker roll and produce. I see him playing the slot manly but some out side as well. I also see him playing more of the situational punt returned. We need 1 of our younger guys like Cox, or Smith to step it up and take that position. For Eddie I see him with: 76-770(10.1)-4. Not great but better then last year.
Decker is going to have to be health before he can step on the field. It's nice to see him sign on the dotted line. He reminds so many of us of Eddie Mac, and know he has his numbers as while. The dude just makes catch after catch, kinda like Eddie. The slow white guy running down the field. For his season I went a little lower with: 25-371(14.8)-3. Good enough for 2nd most among rooks.
The wild card could be Stockley, Willis, Lloyd, or McKinnley. 1 of these well be a key part of the mega wide set, but there will also have to be a SPer. So it will be had for Stockley and Lloyd to make the team. I love the way Stockley plays the game...smart and with all of his heart. Lloyd is the overachiever that gives you everything that he has. Willis is a speedster, who could also return some. McKinnley is quoted as Spurrier's most talented wide receiver he has ever had. Who will make the team...who wont make the team? That's what TC is for not me. I see the Wild Card producing something like this:6-75(12.5)-0. Nothing to write home about, but there the #5.
There has been 1 running back who has averaged 49-406(8.3)-2 in 3 seasons under McD...that is Kevin Faulk. Although Kevin has never been the #1 guy for rushing he has always been the #1 in receiving. IN fact of the 9 Td's that have been scored by a RB, Kevin has 6 of them. Ya know who reminds me of Kevin...JJ Arrington, man I hope those knees are good. Here are the stats for receiving running backs under McD:
| Running Backs | |||||||
| Player | Year | G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Td |
| Kevin Faulk | 2008 | 15 | 3 | 58 | 486 | 8.4 | 3 |
| Kevin Faulk | 2007 | 16 | 8 | 47 | 383 | 8.1 | 1 |
| Kevin Faulk | 2006 | 15 | 1 | 43 | 356 | 8.3 | 2 |
| Correll Buckhalter | 2009 | 14 | 7 | 31 | 240 | 7.7 | 0 |
| Knowshon Moreno | 2009 | 16 | 9 | 28 | 213 | 7.6 | 2 |
| Laurence Moreney* | 2006 | 14 | 0 | 22 | 194 | 8.8 | 1 |
| Sammy Morris | 2008 | 13 | 7 | 17 | 161 | 9.5 | 0 |
| Corey Dillon | 2006 | 16 | 13 | 15 | 147 | 9.8 | 0 |
| Heath Evans | 2006 | 16 | 3 | 7 | 34 | 4.9 | 1 |
| Sammy Morris | 2007 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 35 | 5.8 | 0 |
| Laurence Moreney | 2007 | 13 | 6 | 4 | 116 | 29.0 | 0 |
| Heath Evans | 2007 | 16 | 1 | 4 | 43 | 10.8 | 0 |
| Peyton Hills | 2009 | 14 | 2 | 4 | 19 | 4.8 | 0 |
| Heath Evans | 2008 | 16 | 4 | 3 | 59 | 19.7 | 0 |
| BenJarvis Green-Ellis | 2008 | 9 | 3 | 3 | 37 | 12.3 | 0 |
| Patrick Pass | 2006 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 24 | 12.0 | 0 |
| Kyle Eckel | 2007 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 6.0 | 0 |
| Denver Broncos | 2009 | 44 | 18 | 63 | 472 | 7.5 | 2 |
| New England Patriots | 2008 | 53 | 17 | 81 | 743 | 9.2 | 3 |
| New England Patriots | 2007 | 63 | 17 | 62 | 583 | 9.4 | 1 |
| New England Patriots | 2006 | 50 | 17 | 67 | 561 | 8.4 | 3 |
| 210 | 69 | 273 | 2359 | 8.6 | 9 | ||
| Average | 53 | 17 | 69 | 596 | 8.6 | 2 | |
IF you look at the totals for the year the best was 2008 when Cassel was under center, while Orton and Brady don't use there RB's as well. In 2008 Faulk had 5 less receptions then our 2009 unit. He had more yards and Td's then our 2009 unit. I hope that somebody can take that roll of being a guy who can catch 40 balls and a couple of Td's a year. Knowshon has the talent to do it but does Orton have the ability to get it to him. And I don't mean on short screen plays, lets move our RB's out wide some and play mismatch game. I fact would it be cool to see both Orton and Tebow in the back field with Graham on the line and Thomas, Royal and Moreno out wide. Sorry got off track a little bit. Any way here is our production for our RB's. Moreno with: 18-173(9.6)-1. Not #1 style but I have a reason. Buckhalter with: 14-123(8.8)-0. Good enough for a #2 RB. Arrington is going to be our 3rd down specialist, IMO. I see him catching: 38-311(8.2)-2. A Worthy amount for a guy coming off knee problems. We could also have some production from another RB if 1 of our top 3 get hurt. The list is long and would be better suited for another post.
Tight ends are used more for blocking rather then stretching the middle of the field. That's good because we have but 1 guy with some NFL experience in Daniel Graham. He are the stats:
| Tight Ends | |||||||
| Player | Year | G | GS | Rec | Yds | Avg | Td |
| Ben Watson | 2006 | 13 | 13 | 49 | 643 | 13.1 | 3 |
| Ben Watson | 2007 | 12 | 8 | 36 | 389 | 10.8 | 6 |
| Tony Scheffler | 2009 | 15 | 9 | 31 | 416 | 13.4 | 2 |
| Daniel Graham | 2009 | 16 | 14 | 28 | 289 | 10.3 | 1 |
| Ben Watson | 2008 | 14 | 9 | 22 | 209 | 9.5 | 2 |
| Daniel Graham | 2006 | 12 | 11 | 21 | 235 | 11.2 | 2 |
| David Thomas* | 2006 | 15 | 3 | 11 | 159 | 14.5 | 1 |
| David Thomas | 2008 | 15 | 10 | 9 | 93 | 10.3 | 0 |
| Kyle Brady | 2007 | 14 | 9 | 9 | 70 | 7.8 | 2 |
| Mike Vrabel^ | 2007 | 16 | 15 | 2 | 3 | 1.5 | 2 |
| David Thomas | 2007 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 9.0 | 0 |
| Logan Mankins^ | 2007 | 16 | 16 | 1 | -9 | -9.0 | 0 |
| Denver Broncos | 2009 | 31 | 23 | 59 | 705 | 11.9 | 3 |
| New England Patriots | 2008 | 29 | 19 | 31 | 302 | 9.7 | 2 |
| New England Patriots | 2007 | 28 | 17 | 46 | 468 | 10.2 | 8 |
| New England Patriots | 2006 | 40 | 27 | 81 | 1037 | 12.8 | 6 |
| 128 | 86 | 217 | 2512 | 11.6 | 19 | ||
| Average | 32 | 22 | 55 | 637 | 11.6 | 5 | |
Know I know that Vrabel and Mankins are listed here but there closer to TE's then any other position. 2006 was the best year for the TE's under McD's system. I don't expect much from our unit this year. In fact if we end up with the worst year for TE's under McDI wouldn't be surprised. Daniel Graham will lead the unit with:34-385(11.3)-3. Followed by Branson with:15-185(12.3)-1. And least I forget mister Quinn with: 6-67(11.2)-1 and 2 blocked kicks (weather punt or kick). A total of 55-637(11.6)-5. It would be hard to get worse then 2008 and 2007.
So there you have it all of the numbers for passing and receiving for McD's system. Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you learned something. If not just wait for TC to start for some excitement.
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Thanks for the comments, and..
sorry for the spelling, not my best subject. Or typing for that matter.
Good question on 'threshold'
Each year, some players continue to improve, and some either hold at their level or begin to drop off. The only thing that is a fair criticism of using this idea on Orton is that I clearly recall the amount of flak that I took for noticing that he had improved each year of play, was going to have a better team around him (we thought at the time, and in some ways, he did) and was going to get decent coaching. For those reasons, I expected him to continue to improve. Some of the hostility that I received was, um, vehement. Homerism, KA, and ‘wishful thinking’ were among the ones that I received.
Well, it’s a new year. Orton has a year in the system under his belt. The questions on OL and WR, even RB, remain, but Orton has some experience with most of his receivers and RBs, has a lot more coaching under his belt and is much more experienced in the system and with most of the receiving group. I don’t have a problem with people claiming that this is the year that Orton stops improving, but I’ll toss a a question:
How do you back that up? Do you have a reason?If you’ve just had a prophetic dream or a magic mushroom vision that showed you this, I’m good with that. If you just have decided off the top of your head that this is the year and have no other reason, I’m fine with that, too, as long as we’re both clear that this is the situation you’re choosing. But as far as logic, reason, history or football theory goes, I’m drawing a blank as to why with all these advantages, this is the year that Orton doesn’t improve. He worked hard in the offseason. According to what we’re given from the press and the coaches, he’s done well and looks like he’s improved substantially. Since that’s the only evidence that we have, what’s the basis for deciding that he won’t improved? Will he fall back, too? Same questions, really – I have no problems with the conclusions: only with finding any evidence or logic that backs that perspective up.
Certainly, we’ll find out soon enough. What seems to be the same old song is that the folks who claimed last year that he wouldn’t improve are now claiming that he won’t improve this year either.
Some of the ones listed are tiresome since they’ve been disproven over and again. Lack of confidence – you don’t get to his level without confidence. If you want a more vocal leader, that’s find, but it doesn’t indicate that his performance will fall off. Long pass – I know you can read, so please read TebB’s ST&NO on exactly which long passes Orton does and doesn’t throw well instead of tossing out horse manure? Mobility – when it was part of the play, early in the season, Orton showed good mobility, and if you’d watched the game without a decision already made, you’d have seen it too. The idea that his ‘first instinct’ is to dump the ball is kind of hilarious – weren’t you one of the ones complaining that he didn’t get rid of the ball soon enough? So, 336 completions on a 62.1 completion rate and his first instinct is to get rid of the ball? In a way, I guess – they’re called passes, and he gets aid to complete them. That does involve getting rid of the ball, too, so I’ll give it a half point.
The point is simple – there is no reason other than a WAG and a lot of dislike of the player why Orton won’t play better than last year. If you can put together a local argument, I’d really appreciate it and would be glad to listen. Otherwise, it’s just more pointless dislike of the player, twisted into a theory with no other basis.
Gnothi Seauton
by Doc Bear on Jul 27, 2010 2:06 PM MDT reply actions 6 recs
Agree with most of what you have said...
I guess it’s just easy to dive bomb Orton, because he is not a house hold name. He has improved every year :
2005: 190-368 (51.6) 1869yds (5.08) 9-13
2006: 43-80 (53.8) 478yds (5.98) 3- 2
2008: 272-465 (58.5) 2972yds(6.39) 18-12
2009: 336-541 (62.1) 3802yds (7.03) 21-12
So in this thoery he would produce a comp. pct, of 66.1%; 7.85 yds/att; 4.61 TD/100Att; and 1.91 Int/100 Att. So ya he would be improved but at some point he will hit the wall and not make any improvement.
For us I hope he makes a big time improvement this year. Then we can trade him for something and still have Tebow to run the show next year.
Question for you Doc Bear: If Orton improves to the levels of comp. pct, of 66.1%; 7.85 yds/att; 4.61 TD/100Att; and 1.91 Int/100 Att…. Who would you start next year Orton or Tebow?
Camp battle - no question, but Orton leads going into it
I doubt that I’m alone on this – I think that if a player is making serious strides and you’ve got troubles around him – say the OL is porous, and/or there are problems with the RBs and WRs and he still hits those numbers and gets you wins – and how many has to count, in some part, on how bad his support still is (which better not be too bad in another year) then he keeps his job.
Do you have a problem with him other than Tebow simply being drafted? Given the way you put this up above, two things have to get settled for me to answer you sensibly – the number of wins, and the reason that Tebow hasn’t started. If Orton played better, the better player always plays, always will and always should. You can count the reasons for anyone else starting on one hand – things like ‘locker room cancer’ (nope, and neither is Tebow, so that’s less a problem than people are making it). Big win in starting salary can play into this, but it rarely is a solo reason – the precedent it sets is very touchy. Right now, if Orton is winning and shows that he’s as good as Tebow in camp, he should keep this job – this year and next. In fact, until someone can do it better. I like winning, and I think that’s the best way to do it.
Gnothi Seauton
@Bron#1..if Kyle Orton improves in all QB categories this year and gets Denver into playoffs,
Then Brady and Tim would have an upward battle in camp next year.
If this does happen Denvers headacke would be Orton’s contract.
Don't underestimate Orton.
If healthy (perhaps a big if) he will improve this year over last year because of his attitude and determination to continually get better. He isn’t dismayed by the Broncos bringing in 2 new QB’s, he’s pumped to show he’s got what it takes to win the job. He’s never had anything given to him, he’s had to earn it and this year is no different. If somebody beats him out it’s going to be because they’re better, not because he gave up. He has the full respect of his teammates by the way. One thing that disappointed me about Plummer is that he didn’t fight for his job, but seemed to lay down for Cutler’s promotion. However that’s probably because he knew Shanny was going to throw him under the bus.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
Nicely stated, Doc
Also, I hear a lot of references to him being injury prone, and no recent references to the rather remarkable toughness shown by his play after that open dislocation on his throwing hand. KO is at present our best option; he has shown class, toughness, a willingness to work hard, and a very thick skin. He has thrown the passes asked of him, and his rate of succes at doing so is not bad at all.
Speculation: why are the negative vibes so persistent? IMO, there is a part of our fan base that simpy prefers the style game that results from a strong armed, somewhat gambling QB being the focus of the team. They enjoy the sense of being able to strike on any play, of never being totally out of a game if he can just get hot. Similarly, if they had one, and he loses, they would likely point at the rest of the team as the problem, not the QB. KO at this stage is at this stage is perceived as the antithesis of this.If it becomes a shootout, his attempts to stay in the game have thus far resulted in otherwise uncharacteristic INTs/TOs. As Bronco fans, we don’t have a past QB of KOs style with which to relate. Thus we have a lot of Bronco fans that just don’t prefer this style of play…they haven’t grown up with it and feel uneasy without that potential lightning strike…..it would take consistent winning to overcome their reservations.
Prediction for the future?… as much as I am a Tebow supporter, if he does not have success, I suspect we will see the segment of the fanbase that prefers this style focus on the rest of the team as the problem, not the QB…possilby calling for redesigning the team to match his strengths.
My opinion? I just want to win. Improve every segment of the team, including QB. We may end up winning more that we expect with KO if we show steady, consistent play in all the other segments, and we have Tebow being groomed as the potential future. So if KO does not improve this season, THEN is the time to worry about his ceiling. If Tebow cannot show progress, THEN is the time to consider if he is a failed project. Right now, KO is still showing yearly improvement, and apparently Tebow is doing everything in his control at this stage to improve—- what’s not to like? I’ll face the long term question of which horse to ride as the future QB after I see how much they each improve this year. If I throw KO out and Tebow does not pan out, we are set back two or three years. As for Quinn? He’s a mystery to me. Hope for improvement, but I am not sure how much of an opportunity he will actually get.
Gad, did not realize how much I went on….too much time on my hands today!
WEell, shucks
1. No point in arguing opinion
2. Again, did you go back and read the article? No? Yes? Probably no: It conflicts with what you’re saying. Do you also realize that the arm strength ‘examples’ you drew out were two times – first with the broken forefinger on the throwing hand with the Bengals and then the ankle with DC – with recent injuries?
3. When you ask him to roll out, he’s got a nice rollout. He’s not a scrambler – which is a different word, last I checked.
4. This is too weird to answer – you want him to not be the best he is with his own strengths, and that’s a great way to fail, but you’re really just saying – what? Since he didn’t spend any day passing 2-3 yards at a time, much less looking there, what you’re claiming doesn’t exist. There are doctors who can help when you start seeing things on the screen that aren’t there.
You weren’t confident before the last time he had a jump in performance, were you? Some things don’t change. No big deal.
Gnothi Seauton
I don't know

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