Tales from the SunnySide: Jammie Kirlew
When Josh McDaniels took on the task of remaking the Denver Broncos into a perennial playoff contender, his approach to player personnel was relatively direct. He put in place manuals for each of the positions that laid out in detail the height, weight and physical characteristics of each of the players that he wanted to see on the field as well as the mental attributes. He also reworked the scouting department, getting them up to speed on the way that they wanted players scouted and the types of skillsets that were valued by the organization. Overall, his approach was simple - he wanted tough, physical, smart versatile players at every slot on the field. With the draft of 2010, one of his final selections seems to be the epitome of that concept.
While a defensive lineman in college, and one who played both the DE and DT positions, Jammie (pronounced JAY-mee) Kirlew is exactly what the coach ordered. Whether or not he has the level of skill to make the leap from college to the NFL is still to be determined. Whether or not Kirlew fits into the outline that the Broncos have drawn is not - it fits him like a glove. One credit that he's earned was putting in place a system from the regional scouts to the tense moments of the draft know, understand their roles within it, and it's producing the kind of players that McDaniels and Xanders like. The further question of whether these are the players that the team can win with is yet to be determined. Jammie Kirlew was on the Denver board as a 5th round player, as was Syd'Quan Thompson. A quick quid pro quo involving the Denver pick in the 2011 draft and both players were slated to wear orange and blue.
Kirlew was born to Henry and Janet Jackson (No, not that one) on May 12, 1987 in Orlando, Florida, where he would attend Cypress Creek High School. Like many NFL players, he garnered several accolades along the way, earning second team all-state as a HS senior tight end and defensive end in football and playing on the school's first district champion basketball team. Since they only had a 28 man football roster, he played DE and LB on defense. On the offensive side, he also played TE, FB, tailback and receiver. Junior year, he played TE, DE and WR. As a senior, he moved to FB and tailback during goal line situations on offense. He was more of a LB on defense that year, although he also played DE. He couldn't know it at the time, but his chance to make it in the NFL would be borne on that combination of positions. He would come from DE, and he was chosen to be an OLB and a special teams blocker.When it came time for him to decide on a college, football wasn't the first issue on his list. Although making it to the NFL had been a dream of his since childhood, Kirlew knew even then that there is life after football, and that a promising career can end with a single freak injury. He was dedicated to the idea that his time in college would reflect his own principles as a student-athlete, and for him, that meant that 'student' was destined to come first. He chose Indiana University and began the effort of finishing a double major with degrees in SPEA management and public financial management in December 2009 as well as his time in football. As part of his training, he spent the summer of his 2007 season in Florence Italy on the IU International Student Program in the business department. Jammie Kirlew is one very smart young man.
As you look over his predraft scouting reports, certain things tend to jump out at you. Over and again, regardless of the source, you read things like "High motor. Never quits. Well prepared, reads his keys and plays with discipline. Will keep outside containment. Knows his assignments and will execute. Great motor. nfl.com added, "He is a tough, hardnosed player with great work ethic and intelligence. He plays with a high motor and wins with effort and technique more than athleticism."
Kirlew also used his college years to establish himself as a person. Two summers ago he took the time to travel to Florence Italy on a student exchange program. He is active in politics and worked for the Barak Obama campaign. He is active in the Big Brothers/Big Sisters program and he likes to spend time with his 'little' as he calls him. They like to go to the movies, golf, bowl, and play video games. After his NFL career ends, he plans to return to school and finish law school. You probably don't want to bet against him. This is from his Senior Class Awards page:
Competition
Kirlew was named to the 2009 watch lists for the Ted Hendricks Defensive End of the Year Award and the Bednarik Award. He was selected first team All-Big Ten by Lindy's preseason magazine and Sporting News and preseason All-Big Ten by Athlon Sports. He is also rated the eighth-best defensive end in the country by Lindy's. One of six finalists for the Ted Hendricks Defensive End of the Year Award in 2008, Kirlew was voted first team All-Big Ten by the conference media and second team by the league's coaches. He received honorable mention SI.com All-American and second team Rivals.com All-Big Ten honors. Kirlew also received the team's Anthony Thompson MVP Award, collected the team's outstanding defensive lineman award and was named the team's defensive player of the year. He finished the season with 10.5 sacks and 19.5 tackles for loss, both ranked fourth on Indiana's single-season list. He was second in the Big Ten and tied for 14th nationally in sacks and third in the league and sixth nationally in tackles for loss. He paced the conference during league play in tackles for loss and shared third in sacks. Currently, he is tied for fourth on IU's career tackles for loss chart with 37.0 and sits a half-sack out of fifth place with 16.5 career sacks. His 19.5 tackles for loss in 2008 were the most by a Hoosier since current Chicago Bear Adewale Ogunleye's 21.0 in 1997. He was named to the 11-player Allstate AFCA Good Works Team in 2009 and was an Academic All-Big Ten selection during all four years of his playing career at IU (2006-'09).
This comes from the end of his 2008, 'junior' year: "DE Jammie Kirlew was one of the surprises of the 2008 season, leading the Hoosiers in sacks with 10.5, good enough to rank him 14th in the nation. He's no longer an unknown quantity and will draw plenty of attention from opponents, but his presence can help open opportunities for fellow DE Greg Middleton, who led the nation in sacks two years ago, to rebound from his rough '08. Kirlew also is a team leader who likely will emerge as a captain come the fall" (he did, by the way).
As the above blurb suggested, Kirlew had become a force to be reckoned with on the football field. As was also predicted, he was named a captain his senior year, and he took his role as a leader on that football team seriously: his work ethic on and off the field was second to none. A believer in leading by example, Kirlew was one of the first to arrive at practice each day and one of the last to leave; he was also quick to lend a guiding hand to the younger players on the team. He spent the summer of 2009 acting as one of the leaders (in a good sense), calling on players and getting his teammates to work out and condition when the coaches did not have access to the players.
By the time he graduated from school, Jammie had earned All-Big Ten Conference honors during each of his final two seasons at Indiana, where he tied for third on the school's all-time sacks list (23) and tied for second on its all-time tackles for loss list (52.5). As noted above, he was teamed up with Greg Middleton on the DL, and while Kirlew's sacks grew, Middleton's dropped off from his league leading production in 2007.
As a senior, Kirlew tied for sixth in the nation with five forced fumbles in addition to posting three fumble recoveries, 62 tackles and 6.5 sacks as a second-team all-conference choice.Kirlew also received the team's Anthony Thompson MVP Award, collected the team's outstanding defensive lineman award and was named the team's defensive player of the year. Kirlew was also invited to the Texas vs. the Nation game, in which he played well. He was also named a member of the 11-player Allstate AFCA Good Works Team and one of 10 finalists for the ARA Sportsmanship Award. He was also a candidate for the Lowe's Senior CLASS award (achievements in the classroom, character, community and competition). His level of character at this point has been beyond reproach. His on-field achievements back it up.
When you read his predraft scouting reports, there are certain words and patterns that start to jump out at you:
Can't fault his effort. Relentless in pursuit and never gives up chasing the QB. Shows some decent closing burst when he has a line to the QB. Well prepared, reads his keys and plays with discipline. Will keep outside containment. Knows his assignments and will execute. Great motor. Person of good character. Great worker on and off the field.
PRO DAY RESULTS: In addition to Saffold, four other notable Hoosiers also worked out. DE Jammie Kirlew (6-1 1/4, 261) ran a pair of 5.03 40-yard dashes, had a 34-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot, 2-inch broad jump, a 4.65 short shuttle, a 7.49 three-cone drill, and 29 bench press reps. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com
02/16/2010 - PRO POTENTIAL: DE Jammie Kirlew got better each year at IU, and his high motor and high football IQ set him apart. He's not as speedy as a lot of other prospects, but he's a student of the game who never stops working.
Although Kirlew isn't the biggest, fastest or most fluid defensive player in this draft, his motor and excellent character will endear him to scouts looking for a Robert Mathis-type pass rushing end for their team.
Pass rush: Gives consistent effort during the play and throughout the game, attacking the quarterback until he releases the ball. Can beat tackles with power or speed; gets under their pads to knock them off balance or under the outside shoulder to turn the corner. Inside/outside spin move is effective in pass rush and to get off blocks outside.
Run defense: Plays low and in an athletic position to break down in space and stand his ground against pulling linemen or blocking fullbacks. Not great change-of-direction skills and must improve his flexibility and quick-twitch movement to switch to linebacker. Needs to use violent hands more consistently to defeat running back cut blocks and disengage from tackles. Aware of his containment responsibilities on the edge, maintains outside leverage to force play to the linebackers.
Explosion: Gets out of his stance and upfield quickly in passing situations. Has some pop getting into his man's chest when playing the run, but isn't big enough to knock him back. (Note - in moving to OLB, this will be much less of an issue than when fighting a tackle)
Strength: Strong, well-built upper body with the ability to bull rush and also the hands to shed on the outside using leverage against taller tackles. Also strong in the lower half but still lacks bulk; can be handled easily in space by linemen and blown off the line by tackle-tight end combos. Tackling: Explosive tackler who brings it hard every play. Good burst to the ball and has length and strength to wrap up ballcarriers and quarterbacks in the backfield. Will miss tackles in space with average change of direction ability. Active inside and hustles downfield to either sideline to make plays. Not an efficient running motion; arms far away from his side as he goes to the ball.
Intangibles: Team captain. High effort and character player who is a leader in the locker room and the community. Named to the AFCA Good Works team and nominated for the Lowes Senior CLASS Award and the Wooden Cup, awarded to a college and professional athlete making the greatest positive influence on the lives of others.
If you're like me, one of the things that you want to know is how a player does against better competition. This, also from cbssportsline.com, helped to clear that up: ...collected seven stops, six solo, two TFLs, and forced and recovered a fumble on the same play at No. 23 Michigan. The next weekend vs. No. 9 Ohio State, recorded one sack (21 yards), forced a fumble and netted five tackles.
They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. A good YouTube can be worth a couple of thousand at least, so please enjoy these, including the one from nfl.com/videos and another from nfldraftscout.com:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816ddad7/2010-Combine-workout-Jammie-Kirlew
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76612&draftyear=2010&genpos=de
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1pygXkgzLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfbA1IZpjek&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu2wuaKUhGs&feature=fvw
One of the issues that Denver struggled with in 2009 was that the sacks by Elvis Dumervil, as exciting as they were, tended to come in bunches, with droughts in between and without a solid #2 sack man. Kirlew's nickname in college was 'The Sackmaster'. It will be interesting to see if the player who was rated as a 5th round pick can step in and, over the next couple of years, give the Broncos an alternative pash rusher off the edge. While expecting too much from him right away may not be wise, since he's learning a new position, Kirlew has already shown the ability to learn to set an edge. He's played LB in high school and played at both DE and DT in college, so he's experienced in several aspects of the defense and seems knowledgeable about defenses and football theory in general. He's as much a consistent presence in the film room as he is on the field, which is a remarkable achievement for a player who carried and completed a double major and graduated with a 3.25 GPA (on a 4 point scale).
Many fans have had reasonable worries with regard to the linebacking corps on the Broncos. Robert Ayers will be taking on a more full time role on the LOLB (he spent equal time on the ROLB in 2009), Elvis Dumervil will move around depending on where the weaknesses are on the opposing offensive line, but will most often line up at ROLB. Mario Haggan has moved to ILB, sharing that area with DJ Williams. Baraka Atkins has shown early signs of quality play, but the pads haven't come on yet. While players like Nick Greisen and Akin Ayodele are there for depth (and probably at ILB), a final plan on the LB corps hasn't shown itself yet, as is common with training camp looming.
But the value that was available in trading a 5th round pick in 2011 for two 7th round slots in 2010 was too tempting to pass up, especially since both players that the Broncos took were rated as 5th round picks or above. That was where you most often saw Kirlew ranked by various sites. Syd'Quan Thompson looks good in his own right, so this could end up being an excellent trade. Thompson was another player who has multiple skills (STs as well as CB) and who was rated up around the 5th round before the vagarious quirks of the draft dropped him to the 7th round.
Kirlew is, by any reasonable standard, a very special person, as well as a player. He's unusually bright and extremely hard working. He recognizes that there is life beyond football, but brings 110% to the field every time he walks on it. He's shown leadership qualities at a young age and is already giving back to the community. All in all, everything that we can see at this point shows him to be exactly what the McXanders team is looking for. Now it's time for him to show it on the field in training camp and then in the fast-paced world of the NFL.
Go Broncos!
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Let me be the first to recommend this outstanding Tales.
I’m really hoping this man is successful for us. He seems to have the charactertraits we value as a team.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
Wow!
You’ve had a terrific week, Em!
Jammie Kirlew is the kind of player you can pull for to succeed. His play may well make him a Broncos fan favorite as the fans can appreciate a guy who never lets up or takes a play off.
Thanks for an excellent post, my friend!
'The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.'
-- Albert Einstein
Great stuff
Awesome story. It looks like there’s no need to spend much time teaching technique with this “kid”. He should find himself on the 53 man team and count on him being a future captain.
"You are worthress, Arec Barrwin!" - Kim Jong II
by Orange and Blue on Jul 28, 2010 11:13 AM MDT reply actions
I'll try not to hold against him the fact that he's an Obama campaigner.
Everything else about him seems pretty positive.
Average Raider Fan's IQ = 89
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by kwool79 on Jul 28, 2010 11:25 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I'll try not to hold your comment againt you either.
by MichaelCushman on Jul 28, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could care less what you think NOOB.
Average Raider Fan's IQ = 89
Bill Williamson's IQ = 75
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by kwool79 on Jul 28, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. NOOB...really?
No wonder liberals brag about having higher IQs than conservatives. I’m an Independent, which makes me smarter than both. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Hahaha.
"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 31, 2010 5:53 AM MDT up reply actions
To each his own. I found its best not to mix a love of sports with your political ideology.
The fact that he supports Obama neither increases or decreases my opinion of him in any way.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
by Tim Lynch on Jul 28, 2010 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm always glad to see college students getting involved on either side of the aisle
We need their energy.
Gnothi Seauton
by Doc Bear on Jul 28, 2010 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do we really have to ruin MHR with politic squabbling?
The are more then enough places on the Internet to be nasty about politics. Every one of us may wear different hats: be a political campaigner on one site, football fan on another, a professional on a 3rd one, etc. Why create a divide among Broncos fans here? We come here to talk about our favorite team and bash raiders regardless of our and their politics – let’s keep it this way.
by si_ice on Jul 28, 2010 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions 12 recs
+1
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
by KaptainKirk on Jul 28, 2010 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I agree
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
You arer advocating (self-) censorship?
If someone were to reveal that he beats his wife when she doesn’t keep quiet while he watches basketball on TV, I would be inclined to deride him about it. If you were to admonish him, on the other hand, it might be in the form of: “This is a Broncos football site. Lets keep it that way. There are more than enough places on the internet to be nasty about your wife/basketball.”? The real irony is, of course, that among all the football related posts you COULD have responded to, you chose to respond to the politically motivated one. Not that I mind. I think you should comment on whatever topic you prefer (and extend that courtesy to everybody else).
We love MHR differently
I enjoy MHR, no, I love it. You’re right, I don’t give back to it enough by writing/commenting on football topics. There are things I wanted to comment to, but did not find time/motivation. But one of the beauties of MHR is a positive atmosphere here. And I do not mean positive in the cool-aid sense, I mean this is a site where we as fans can socialize and have discussions and arguments without name-calling and nastiness of, ahem, some other sites. So when I saw a nascent political squabble I screamed “Noooo” – just above. I don’t want to get into the merits of who said what so as not to fuel it any more. I’d just say that your wife beating analogy is over the top.
Yes, I am for self-censorship. I have a hunch SB Nation is, too – they put this little “Preview” button at the bottom so every poster gets a chance to see his words on the screen and decide if maybe they are better off unsaid.
I have no problem with any of that
except for ONE thing: Of course the analogy is over the top. That is what all analogies should be. That is how they can be illustrative. If your analogy was synonymous with the original issue, it would not help you view the topic in a new light and there would be no reason for using it.
At what point is self-censorship simply self-control?
I use the preview – and dump the comment – regularly. I also think that si_ice has a good point – the process of listening to people disagreeing and then clearly working their mutual ways back to something that they can agree on and then moving onward is really a grand sensation and experience. What makes MHR different is the people, mostly members, who spend some of their time here, who often decide to create a beneficial experience and watching them act that experience out is really a remarkably pleasing ‘transaction’. Sometimes it doesn’t work out, but life is like that, and the vast majority of the time, I come expecting to have an informative, beneficial experience and low and behold, somehow that’s what happens.
I get a tremendous kick out of how many people actually know what they’re talking about and are willing to share that information without being in need of ‘wining’. Then someone will use that information to build scraps of info into bricks of knowledge. Every now and then, one of us manages to find, write or share, from that knowledge, a small distillate of wisdom. That’s something pretty remarkable for a football site, you know?
Gnothi Seauton
Yeah you are right...
Forget the REAL world only sports matter… the fact that our country is being flushed down the drain and our civil liberties are being erroded as we speak dont matter… just worry about the offseason of a sport
by theflanman86 on Jul 30, 2010 4:50 AM MDT up reply actions
The point is
there are plenty of other places to discuss all that. Here, it’s all and only about football, and that’s the way we like it.
You know, since it’s a FOOTBALL SITE n’all.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 30, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
there are plenty of other places to discuss all that.
Exactly. Much as I like to jibe, this is a sports blog. If one wishes to discuss politics, there are a ton out there for them.
"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 31, 2010 5:55 AM MDT up reply actions
There are always plenty with self appointed authority
who will eagerly tell everybody else how to behave. So, if I read your take regarding the politics (pun intended) of this site right, it is out of line to comment on politics but perfectly fine to comment about commenting on politics. Hello! Are you still there? Unless you lack the cerebral capacity, you must be feeling pretty foolish right about now.
Actually, all that was said was that he was active in politics
If a player is active in anything, I will try to find a way to put it in their bio. If they want to express to anyone else that others should think like them, I usually leave it out. I didn’t find anything wrong with him being a campaign worker, but if others do, I’ll leave it off in the future. And yes, it would have gone on if he was a McCain supporter – to me, I don’t care what side he’s on, just that he cares enough about the country to work for it. The Presidential election is one of the primary functions in our country. I consider this as I do most of the community service aspects of these players – which I’ve always included. As stated, if it bothers anyone, I’m fine leaving it out.
And no, warmick, it doesn’t make me feel foolish. I just have different perspectives than you – and many others.
Gnothi Seauton
I am glad Doc Bear
although I am at a loss to understand why you would feel the need to make that comment as you (perhaps more so than anybody else on this site) should have no reason to harbor such feelings. One aspect in which I DO disagree with you is the statement “if it bothers anyone, I’m fine leaving it out.” No matter where you turn these days there is always someone more than ready to get offended and sadly an abundance of people ready to bend over backwards to accomodate them. Rather than “if others do (find anything wrong with him being a campaign worker), Ill leave it off in the future,” I wish your response would be: “So deal with it” or “Tough s…” No, the “deal with it” is probably better.
by warmick on Jul 31, 2010 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see the need to be patronising; perhaps it's just compensation for an inner-tension, as you seem awfully eager to jump on people.
Regardless, as it’s me you’re replying to, I’d like to know where I became this “self-appointed authority”, all I did was point out that this is a sports blog, not a politics blog… eh… I actually don’t want to know. I don’t value your opinion enough to care about what you think of me.
it is out of line to comment on politics but perfectly fine to comment about commenting on politics
You ascribed this “take” to me, I didn’t say it, but I will point something out: it’s purely semantics, but there is a difference between commenting on politics and commenting on commenting on politics, whether you believe this to be so or not. As Bear mentions below, he was discussing the fact that Kirlew is active in politics, not the politics itself.
That you want me – us? – to feel foolish for having a contrary opinion to you and for seeing the difference in two different concepts (talk about lacking cerebral capacity, huh?) is something I’m going to leave in the dust.
"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
Quitter's People United Member #18
by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 31, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Now there is a self contradicting statement:
I don’t see the need to be patronising; perhaps it’s just compensation for an inner-tension
Anyway, if you wish to have a debate with me, you are going to have to pay attention to (and respond to) what I say.
And did respond, if you didn't notice.
But, no, I don’t want to debate with you. I have better things to do with my time than waste it on you.
"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 1, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Two things stand out for me
effort and technique.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Doc Bear; great article...Thanks
I think TC will be a must watch at OLB/DE with Kirlew and CFA Kevin Alexander pushing Jervis Moss and Darrell Reid at the position. Could two Rookies make the 53 roster? Either way I can see both on the Practice Squad.
Doc any information Alexander?
oc60
"I'd rather have a lot of talent and a little experience than a lot of experience and a little talent." John Wooden
Alexander?
Doc any information Alexander? Tons. It will be coming in a while – I’m getting tired ;-)
Gnothi Seauton
BTW...Doc
Forgot to ask Doc do you think Jammie makes the 53 man roster or practice squad?
oc60
"I'd rather have a lot of talent and a little experience than a lot of experience and a little talent." John Wooden
I'm going to hold out for how well they do in camp
I believe that this point is dependent on how they do in camp – this one is open to the ones who can grab it. I don’t recall seeing a camp so up for grabs in decades.
Gnothi Seauton
This is exactly what McXanders wanted.
Strong competition at every possible position and let the best performer win his job. It also creates back-ups who are providing great depth and hopefully one’s who will continue to try to improve to get on the field. Diversity and flexibility are two great adjectives for this team.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Jul 28, 2010 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll guess
He’s got a reasonably high change of making the roster for a 7th pick. That’s probably still less than an even chance but it’s higher than most 7th rounders.
Kirlew looks like a McDaniels wet dream kind of player — and pardon my language. The goodness of fit for him is very strong.
I think the real question is whether we’ll carry 5 OLBs again this year, and his chances improve dramatically if we do. Still, there’s a lot of competition after Dumervil, Ayers & then probably Reid. A 4 man OLB corps pits Moss, Atkins and Alexander against Kirlew, and that’s pretty stiff competition.
no goats, no glory.
It is tough competition
Aside from the utter shock of there being a realistic chance that Moss is turning from ‘stiff’ into stiff competition, I thought that Alexander did a nice little job of announcing his intentions at the end of OTAs; Atkins might be a better OLB than DE and Reid is such a good ST player that he’s very unlikely to lose a slot, as you indicated. It’s going to be a very rough road.
What a camp!
Gnothi Seauton
OLB
I see a misspelling — reasonably high chance; not change
OLB is hard to figure out. I would have given the more veteran bubble players the best chance, but Kirlew possesses traits that make him a very good fit for what they need. And I’m also operating on the assumption that there are certain traits which explain why some higher rated players are cut whereas lower rated players exceed expectations and become stars. Those traits — such as commitment, football IQ, etc. — translate better as players make the jump to the NFL. The little things such as attending to assignments are more important in the NFL game and aren’t as much for college, where players can get by on athletic talent alone.
The easiest comparison to make is between Atkins and Kirlew. Atkins sounds like a great pickup in almost every respect except there’s been a knock against him for his desire to play. I can’t confirm this so I won’t belabor the point except to say that the desire to play is a nearly indispensable trait that tends to get shorted in analysis precisely because it’s an intangible. And everyone cues on physical traits in their assessments even though they may not be aware of it.
I think Moss may have the best chance after Reid, and Moss also supplies a needed attribute (speed) for the backup R-OLB. Reid injury may provide an opening if he’s still in questionable health come September so there’s a potential opportunity for Elephant types. Too bad that doesn’t tell us any more than what we knew at the beginning.
The issue of conversion (i.e., DEs learning to play OLB) is part of the the puzzle. Whoever makes the jump is going have a big advantage, but the question is still — who is that? Other than what everyone already knows, I can’t add much to the knowledge base of what makes an ideal OLB34.
I did recently come to the conclusion that Bruce Davis seemed like a poorer fit despite having very interesting metrics, so I wasn’t surprised he was cut. My suggestion that we would have drafted Koa Misi if he had been available reinforces the idea that high-motor counts but there’s still a gulf in physical talent that can’t be compensated for through effort alone, and our more physically talented players aren’t low effort players either, just less high-motor.
All of the my analysis leads me to the conclusion that I won’t solve this problem through analysis. I think we just have to sit back and watch. There might be a watershed moment like Terrell Davis’ STs tackle that won him a roster spot or it may boil down to a lot of mundane little things that earn one of them a spot.
no goats, no glory.
I hadn't heard about the issue with motivation from Atkins -- that's a shame
Conversion is a very tricky thing to undertake. Doom did incredibly well, but still struggles to be in the right place on runs. Reid did all right, Moss may actually wind up with a career again, apparently due to the conversion. Bruce Davis isn’t on the roster, as you say. I have to admit, I rarely keep up with all of it unless it’s in an article that I’m writing or researching.
My only concern with Moss is that while we need his speed, last time I checked, he hadn’t developed the kind of technique that should go with that speed to create a well-rounded player. Koa Misi is right at 251 lb, 6’3", and as I’ve noted, that’s low end for McDaniels. I would have loved to have him come in, though – everything that I heard was pretty positive except for his coverage skills. It seems very tough to find a LB who has some size, toughness and still has coverage skills. Don’t know why, really, but there it is.
Gnothi Seauton
added clarification
I’ve read the critique of Atkins but I also take with a grain of salt since it seems inconsistent with his efforts to earn a spot. The evidence points toward a more dedicated individual. Bad reports have a way of following a player, even and especially when they have a dubious genesis. I think his problem — like many — is in making the conversion.
Re: Misi. His stock took off late and he’s being billed as a possible rookie of the year by one credible source. His size threw me, too, but I have to counterbalance that information with the praise he’s receiving. My view is that there’s often a substantial loss of water weight that isn’t related to muscle mass. He doesn’t play small. And he’s one who seems to have taken to the conversion extremely well.
I don’t think it’s possible to emphasize the importance of conversion enough. And it’s a long process, since they’re learning whole new skills (usually) rather than merely making an adjustment. None of the candidates for OLB has played the position before last year, so it’s difficult for us to predict as well as being difficult for the players. I wish I had a non-trite comment to add here. What I can say is that measuring progress is going to be difficult for us.
no goats, no glory.
Excellent article, Doc. Thanks for your efforts. Rec'd.
I love seeing players who not only have the physical abilities but also intelligence and a willingness to work building the community.
Having a 2nd Sackmaster sounds exciting.
by Blackknigh on Jul 28, 2010 3:30 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I second this comment...nothing else I can add here. :)
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re: 2nd sack master
Yes, that’s my feeling, too. If offenses pay increased attention to Dumervil then there’s a chance that others may benefit but it’s not something we should rely on. The best way to get more sacks/pressures is to focus on developing talent. Most teams place an enormous amount of attention on finding and developing pass rushers, and we should, too.
no goats, no glory.
Once again an enjoyable read Doc
i was interested to see that he spent time playing DT at college as well.
Does this background mean that he could potentially spend some time playing DE in Nickel packages in the way that Reid (who i believe also played DT & DE in college) did during the season?
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
In theory, sure
We’ve also got Ayers, who’s probably going to be the best of the three at that over time. There’s versatility all over that field.
Gnothi Seauton
Woody Paige already cut this guy after one practice. Said Kirlew doesn’t possess the quickness or athletic ability to play NFL football.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
That's why
all the pro teams consult with Woody before they make personnel decisions.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
High Motor
“High motor. Never quits. Well prepared, reads his keys and plays with discipline. Will keep outside containment. Knows his assignments and will execute. Great motor. nfl.com added, “He is a tough, hardnosed player with great work ethic and intelligence. He plays with a high motor and wins with effort and technique more than athleticism.”
This sounds a LOT like a certain former 12th round pick who used to wear number 77.
I was listening to an interview with Meck on the radio many years ago, and he explained how his brother was bigger and stronger than he was. Yet he said his brother could never play football, at least in the NFL. He explained that he was meaner than his brother and had more want-to when it came to playing, and that was the key to his success.
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
Excellent Tales, Doc. I loved it.
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