Horse Tracks - 7/29/10 - Training Camp Is Upon Us
by John Bena on Jul 29, 2010 6:11 AM MDT
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Wednesday Practice Report " DenverBroncos.com
Rookies and early-reporting veterans took to the practice field Wednesday in shorts and shells — no pads — for the first "opportunity practice" of the summer.
Tebow's agent working with Broncos for deal - The Denver Post
As a partial roster of Denver players put on their clean practice jerseys with the new Health-One patches for the start of rookie training camp Wednesday afternoon at the team's Dove Valley headquarters, Tebow's pristine image and unscrupulous reputation received its first minor smudge.
Paige: Broncos draftees not named Tebow or Thomas offer some hope - The Denver Post
In the opening practice of the Broncos' quasi-training camp Wednesday afternoon, during a defensive backfield-oriented session, several team staffer types (from the grounds crew and the personnel department) placed upside down plastic trash receptacles on the field to represent offensive linemen.
Hochstein, Harris return to practice | All Things Broncos
Versatile veteran offensive lineman Russ Hochstein made his 2010 debut at a Broncos practice Wednesday as the team opened camp.
Broncos' top two picks next up for deals - The Denver Post
After missing the Broncos' initial rookie training camp session Wednesday, there's a chance first-round draft picks Demaryius Thomas and Tim Tebow will be signed in time for the 11 a.m. workout today. A look at the contract status of each player:
Gates' deal shows true vale of the TE position | National Football Post
On Wednesday night, the San Diego Chargers made Antonio Gates the highest paid tight end in the entire league. A five-year extension worth a reported $36.175 million—with over $20 million in guarantees.
Is the push for extra pads worth it? | National Football Post
A few years back in the first quarter of a game, Terrell Owens came over to his sideline between plays, looking for the play caller. His eyes were like high beams, his movements were frantic.
Fabian Washington says he's getting close: 'The knee's fantastic' | National Football Post
Baltimore Ravens cornerback Fabian Washington has been lobbying coach John Harbaugh to get back on the field in the next few days.
Raiders sign Rolando McClain | National Football Post
The Oakland Raiders have signed rookie first-round linebacker Rolando McClain, the team announced.
Dolphins sign Charles Grant | National Football Post
The Miami Dolphins have signed veteran defensive end Charles Grant to a two-year contract, a league source confirmed.
Mack Brown says Sergio Kindle has narcolepsy | National Football Post
University of Texas coach Mack Brown has a theory about what happened to Baltimore Ravens rookie linebacker Sergio Kindle.
Vince Young not going to be suspended by NFL | National Football Post
The Tennesee Titans' quarterback isn't going to be suspended by the NFL in the wake of his strip club fracas in June where he threw punches at a club employee who disrespected Young's alma mater, the University of Texas, the Tennessean is reporting.
Source: Carlos Dunlap deal is worth $3.659 million | National Football Post
Cincinnati Bengals rookie second-round defensive end Carlos Dunlap's four-year deal is worth almost $3.57 million and includes $1.779 million in guaranteed money, per league source.
Chiefs announce McCluster, Arenas deals | National Football Post
The Kansas City Chiefs announced a previously reported four-year deal for second-round cornerback Javier Arenas as well as another deal for second-round wide receiver Dexter McCluster.
Jets sign Mark Brunell to two-year deal | National Football Post
The New York Jets made it official, signing veteran quarterback Mark Brunell to a two-year contract.
Colts sign fourth-rounder Jacques McClendon | National Football Post
The Indianapolis Colts have hammered out a four-year, $2.22 million contract with fourth-round rookie offensive guard Jacques McClendon, according to a league source.
NFL.com news: Falcons enter critical third year of Dimitroff's master plan
Three draft classes and three years of free agency. That's the timetable Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff and coach Mike Smith set for being able to make a serious run at the Super Bowl.
NFL.com news: Saints' Payton ready to play the role of 'Hunted One'
In The Godfather, there was a character named Virgil Sollozzo who wanted to do business with the Corleone crime family. Sollozzo was the new kid in town, cocky, well-funded, good with the knife and ready to challenge anyone and everyone. When he made his move on the Corleone family and failed, he went from being the cocky new kid to the Hunted One. Once he became the Hunted One, his whole attitude changed; his thought process became disjointed, and he started to make careless mistakes.
NFL.com news: Shanahan to Haynesworth: Pass fitness test, then get on field
Albert Haynesworth finally showed up for work -- and quickly learned the Washington Redskins won't cut him any slack.
NFL.com news: Talk of Owens' pending arrival dominates start of Bengals camp
Terrell Owens was headed to Kentucky on Wednesday while his teammates-to-be tucked pillows and sound systems under their arms, unpacking for the start of training camp at Georgetown College. Owens wasn't expected to arrive until one day later.
NFL.com news: Cable cautiously optimistic about Raiders; Campbell is No. 1 QB
The story lines at the beginning of this year's training camp are much more pleasant for Cable, who starts his second full season as Raiders coach with a new quarterback in Jason Campbell and more optimism than usual around a franchise that has lost at least 11 games for seven consecutive seasons.
Terrence Cody of Baltimore Ravens passes test, cleared to practice - ESPN
A day late and quite short of breath, rookie defensive tackle Terrence Cody passed his conditioning test Wednesday and formally launched his NFL career with the Baltimore Ravens.
Pressure all on Andy Reid now - NFC East Blog - ESPN
In the NFL’s often unforgiving circle of life, Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid has been handed a rare second opportunity -- a chance to hit the refresh button on his team and his career.
Lower-tier entertainment: Six likely also-rans worth following - NFL - CBSSports.com Football
I admit it. I want to see Tim Tebow play, too, just to see who was right about the guy. Scouts and GMs were fairly unanimous in their criticism of him, saying that while they loved his intangibles they couldn't get past his mechanics. I say "fairly unanimous" because the Broncos refused to join the club, with coach Josh McDaniels seeing something in Tebow that others did not. Now, McDaniels' future is hitched to the left arm of Tebow ... and good luck. If McDaniels was wrong, it will cost him his job.
NFL Alumni opens new headquarters with focus on retirees - NFL - CBSSports.com Football
The NFL's newly reorganized Players Alumni Association officially opened its new headquarters Wednesday night with a focus on the needs of its retired players and their health.
Redskins' M. Williams out for year with blood clot - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
The Washington Redskins will open training camp Thursday without offensive lineman Mike Williams, who is out for the year after a blood clot was discovered in his lungs.
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Woody Paige is killing the NFL dreams of Thompson and Kirlew after just one rookie’s only practice. And you guys call me impatient with the young players.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Yeah, that's kinda crazy LOL
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Well at least,
you give more definitive reasons than Woody did in his article, McGeorge.
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
We do that because you are impatient. Woody is getting as opinionated as a drunken, racist uncle. It’s like he’s officially in his “get off my lawn” phase. He loves Tebow. Thanks McD is a punk. A genius. Pisses on the careers of a couple of kids after watching them out of the corner of his eye while eating a sandwich. It’s embarrassing. He says more things I agree with these days, but that’s because he’s running out with strong opinions all the time, and even an alley cat finds a whole chicken in the trash every once in awhile.
“We do that because you are impatient”
Someone that actually loves the Broncos (i.e. not an MSM hater) needs to keep a discerning eye on McD and his team.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
I appreciate that, although I’m unclear on what authority the McGeorge Commission has (Note: Woody would go nuts punning on Kennedy Cabinet members here). Still, you’re impatient with the kids, and saying that makes a person a better critic is, well, very convenient.
He is more likely to listen to you than me. And that is probably a good thing.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
by McGeorge on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also: Please Kill Me
Rookie cornerback Syd’Quan Thompson, one of the team’s two seventh-round selections, could not defend against a vessel vassal.
Good God, Woody. We get it. You are smart and learned and work with words for a living. And you even understand that some words look and sound like other words. Amazing!
Kind of reminds me of Dan Dierdorf
and his fascination with the word “debacle.”
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
That was my favorite article out of all of them. I mean obviously we’ve got to dilute what we take out of it (apparently more than he diluted whatever liquid courage he’s been drinking), but it was some new first-hand information that we hadn’t yet heard.
It was bold. I liked it. Again, though, I’m not going to take from this that Thompson gonzo, and I won’t be quoting Woody as a source saying the guy sucks (without further backup). I just thought the article was brave and fresh.
23-1. Determination. That which cannont be taught. The reult of finding yourself through adversity.
At the end of TC in 2009, Woody said he was hearing whispers that the team was really surprised (in a bad way) and disappointed in the Phonz and Ayers. Said the exact same thing about Bradstater in a midseason article last fall. check, check and check
He also said Denver would go something like 4-12 last season. Whiff…
One rookie only practice is pretty crazy to be calling cuts.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Woody is a tool
Hearing whispers. The guy has no inside info. You really think someone withing the organization would actaully tell woody something bad about a player. I don’t. He does not have the inside scoop under this new regime. Woody has lost it anyways. They guy went crazy long time ago and he rarely makes solid points anymore. There is not way you can judge a player after their 1st NFL practice in pads.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
The whispers in his head could be from anyone. I have no idea.
But Woody did correctly prognosticate the struggles of a few Broncos last season. His whisper buddy may be or have been someone inside Dove Valley willing to talk. Or maybe he just watched the coaches yell at the Phonz or Bradstater and draw his own conclusions. Or maybe it was the undead ghost of Jake Jabs giving him the inside scoop. I don’t know, but he was right enough times for it to be more than luck.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Unfortunately.
Without Lombardi, the National Football Post is not what it was a few months ago.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
I agree
especially when they let the likes of Randy Cross write for them.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Thanks for the “Chiefs Suck” orange & blue bumper sticker. It’s beautiful.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
You bet
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Yup miss Lombardi at NFP,
I do generally like Bowen and Brandt’s stuff and that keeps me going there periodically.
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
“periodically” – That sums up my visits to their site.
used to be “daily”
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
used to be my favorite football news site. now it's just meh
really disappointing that lombardi isn’t there anymore
by black_knight101 on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Happy for the return of the Tracks!
Thanks!
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Thanks, John
Antonio Gates is good at catching passes and all, but the dude is 30 and the nagging injuries add up. Seems like a crazy move on the Chargers’ part, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking on mine.
I don't have a problem with the Chargers making a questionable move, do you?
Gates is also a poor blocker. Think Marcus McNeil and Vince Jackson noticed the $ of the deal. I’m sure that they will be looking forward to hearing from A.J..
I dont think its questionable
He’s still a dominant tight end, and darn close (depending on how you judge positional importance) to their best player on the whole team. I think the only thing wrong (and possibly right for us) is the deal with Jackson and McNeil, they’re going to look at this and think wtf, could possibly make more distance between them
by Warren Todd on Jul 29, 2010 9:35 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Gates is still playing at a pretty high level
And like Paige said, do you think Thompson is actually going to be able to get the ball over Gates, let alone tackle a guy seven inches taller then him? 2009 was one of Gates’s best year, I don’t see his production sinking.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Ehhh
If we’re relying on Thompson to be tackling Gates, something has already gone wrong.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
And that's why I don't think Thompson makes it out of the practice squad
I love his personality, he’s a very hard work, smart, but having to play against big receivers most of the season, I don’t see much practical use outside of maybe ST.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Gates turned 30 this year and won’t have V Jackson to run deep or an LT to give Rivers more time.
I can’t wait to watch the dropoff.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
If you say so
But he’s one of the best TE in the league, so I think he should be fine.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I do say so. It's simple logic.
So you don’t think he’ll feel the absence of Jackson or McNeil? Or even that he is aging to the point where his body will get nothing but less effective. That sounds like you’re wasted on the Kool-Aid brewed by AJ Smith.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
No, while a receiver might get worse without talent surrounding him
That isn’t always the case, look at Andre Johnson, or Ochocinco last season, a player can still play at a high level when he’s the only good receiver on the team, look at Marshall last season. With a quarterback like Rivers, I don’t think he will lose to much production. I’m no Charger fan, but I know a receiver can be good when he’s the only receiving talent, and even without Jackson, I still think their corp is deeper then ours.
He’ll feel the absense but Rivers has one of the quickest releases in the league, and is pretty good with his feet, I think they will stuggle but not as much as you are making out.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I think you are in for a big surprise. A team without the clear #1 WR and an above average LT (sans a good backup), is going to suffer more than you think. It’s not like they have a good running game or awesome O-line otherwise. Without Jackson and McNeil, that O is lacking two of it’s best four players.
How do you think Denver would fare without Harris and Orton? Just go back and check the SD and Washington games.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
You're comparing a WR to a QB? Sorry, no.
Without McNeill, the Chargers have the very average Dombrowski. But Rivers is wily, and hard to sack off the left side; McNeill ain’t all that great, he looks great because he protects a great QB.
Without Jackson, the Chargers have Floyd and a committee of Davis and Naanee. That’s not bad. Oh, and they have Gatesy.
Another thing to consider: San Diego’s RB corps is pretty heavily revamped. Last year, they were pretty good at getting positive yards, but had the worst rushing YPC in the league nonetheless. When your RB is not getting stuffed but your YPC sucks, the problem is the RB. So expect them to go back to the mean on run games.
Me, I think Gates is in for a huge season.
What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders!
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Jul 29, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Spoken like a true Dolt. This reads like a MHR member trying to minimize the impact of the Brandon Marshall loss.
No Davis is not bad? What, Davis sucks and has his entire BUSTer career in the NFL. With Floyd and Naanee as your #1 and #2 WR, San DIego now has among the least talented starting WR duo in the NFL.
It’s not like McNeil is awesome, I think he is overrated as well, but he is decent. Better than average. Your RT is what you describe as ver average, if that. Dombrowski isn’t “very average” Dombrowski is well below average and having a below average LT is going to place Rivers in the line of fire far more often than you care to see. Getting back an angry and underpaid LT, WR in week 12 isn’t going to do any wonders for your locker room chemistry or on field effort.
Just because SD over drafted Mathews doesn’t mean he’ll produce like a top RB should. You guys will be lucky to get 1,000 yards out of him behind an O-line that is missing it’s LT, has a so-so RT, lost it’s blocking TE and has average (the TT guy) to solid interior O-line play.
If you guys don’t have Jackson as a deep threat, you can expect an extra S in the box to make running even harder. I can’t wait to see SD around the 6th playoff spot again. This won’t be your year. That window is closed and you probably know it deep down.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Gates will still have Rivers throwing to him
And though he does play in SD, he is still a great quarterback. Like Rodgers, E. Manning and Romo, and other young rising stars, he makes his receivers better, and will make the throws. Plus you can’t compare QB’s and WR, like Bolthead said below.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jul 29, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
They might not have Rivers as long as they think if they are going to play a below average LT. Rives is going to take more shots this season than at any other time in his career thanks to playing behind the worst LT of his NFL career and no #1 WR to pass to.
I’ve never said Rivers is not a star QB, but just like anyone else, he needs decent teammates and he is losing two big time players with those holdouts. It will hurt. Just watch.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
I would take Gates and Floyd
Along with Naanee and Davis over our receivers. You are just ignoring that fact that other receivers and TE’s can succeed in the absence of another. You are right it will hurt, but I don’t see why Gates can’t catch 70+ balls and 800+ yards. With Jackson gone, he might be targeted even more.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jul 30, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m with you on this one. The guy has unquestionable talents, but he has benefited from the vertical passing game and frequent chucks to very good players like Jackson. It will be harder for him.
Besides, he’s already been in decline. 2009 was his best year of the last three, and by a lot. Why would we expect a player to get healthier as he gets on the wrong side of 30? This isn’t MLB circa 1998.
The Dolt I’m looking to fall off this year is the massively underrated Jammer. He is now 31 and just like we saw with Bailey, it’s time for the skills to noticeably diminish at this age. Not that he was ever even close to as good as Bailey, but he is underrated.
The Dolts missed their window. They have too many good players or ex players that are no longer what they were (J Williams, Jammer, Castillo, Ligaments out, Igor, LDT, Chambers, Goff, Gates). These were key studs in 2006-2008 that are no longer as good as they were. Or in many cases, even on the team.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
To think that I was actually rooting for them in the playoffs in January 2008. Living with all the Massholes will do that to you. Those people call themselves life-long, die-hard Pats fans, but they can’t name anybody from the ‘85 team except Steve Grogan. And when you say: Hey, I was reading up on your team and saw that Jim Plunkett was drafted by the Pats, they say: Who’s Jim Plunkett?
So there’s another nail in the coffin of Massachusetts. Those people made me root for the over-rated, painfully under-achieving chargers.
Bet you are a huge Sox fan.
Of all the teams in the AFC, the Pats are easier for me to cheer for than most, but I think that has everything to do with Brady and nothing to do with their baseball loving fans and Bilcheat.
A Bronco fan cheering for Rivers is impossible. You can’t do that again. I’d be torn if Rivers and San Diego were playing the Taliban. I think I’d just root for injuries and bad play from both teams.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
I’m a fan of the White Sox. But you know that. Stop baiting me.
I can’t stand Rivers, but he showed up to play that day, even though his body wasn’t up to the task. He earned some respect. I loathe the Chargers more than ever now, but it’s just impossible to explain how odious Pats fans were during that 16-0 season. They talked about football all the time, and they didn’t know the first thing about it.
hahahaha
I’d be torn if Rivers and San Diego were playing the Taliban. I think I’d just root for injuries and bad play from both teams.
Nice
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 30, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
So by having his best season in three years last season
That means he’s in decline, cause I thought that was the opposite. Come on, I think we are just inventing reasons SD should be bad.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Thanks for the real Football news John
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
Did anyone else hear what was said on the dan patrick show yesterday?
They said Tebow should of been playing many years ago, so he could be throwing to Haven Moses and Rick Upchurch. I was laughing so hard.
live and die blue and orange
Clark Judge's article on the also rans worth watching was amusing.
I think that Brandon Marshall leaving wasn’t the “Problem” he claims it is, but then the 53 that make the team will have to prove him wrong. He also doesn’t understand the QB situation, KO will have to explain it to him (hopefully).
I liked his statement that losing Nolan will be huge directly following the statement about the defenses collapse.
I also don’t see how they overcome the loss of their defensive coordinator, Mike Nolan. Nolan did wonders with these guys; what he didn’t do was agree with his head coach. So he left. Now it’s up to Don Martindale to keep opponents down, and he has a tough act to follow. The Broncos allowed 66 points in their first six games, all of them wins. Of course, they also allowed 122 points in their last four starts, all of them losses and two of them to Oakland and Kansas City.
Disappointed Tewbow wasn't in camp
I can easily understand him not being in camp as it looked like his agent might get the deal done before practice started. Tewbow might be wise to tell his agent to get the deal done as his endorsement deals plus his contract, whatever it is, will probably be more than anyone else is making on the team. Get in the camp son! Don’t let your agent tarnish your rep.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
Funny that the owners’ reputation isn’t sullied for driving a hard bargain or threatening do blow up a whole NFL season to pad their profit margins. Why are players held to this standard?
It reminds me of what management says to nurses who want to be paid in accordance with their status as skilled workers in a profession with severely restrictive supply. The line goes like this: “Don’t make this about money, you’re doing good work, and that’s what matters.” Of course management is under no obligation to be about anything but money. Give me a break.
Although to be fair, Tebow’s eye black skews towards the fire-and-brimstone verses of the Bible. I do wish he’d cite the one about the camel and the eye of a needle. But I’m sure he never will.
by Chibronx on Jul 29, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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