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The Power Running versus Zone Blocking Games

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Brian:

I read a couple of your archived articles this morning and I liked them both very much. The article on the running game was very interesting to me, and I thought I'd bring some things to your attention. Most of it probably isn't new.

The points that were made on the comments were quite accurate. One of the things that was a very effective for Denver under Mike Shanahan was that they would use the passing attack them to get ahead, and use the running game to close out the game. This is taken directly from Bill Walsh, the inventor of the west coast offense. Although other coaches have used this same line over the years, he understood and used ( if he did not coin it) the phrase "Pass to score, run to win". At the very least, he based much of his system on it.

What Mike Shanahan would do was to have a high instance of scoring on the first drive in a high percentage of games. His ability to score in the first quarter of the game (or the first half, at least) was almost unsurpassed. In the third quarter, then you begin to see the dominating running game, which would use up a lot of clock time;  almost guaranteeing a win. Yes, they ran before that - they ran in every quarter, in degree. Mike was particularly good at that. It showed in Denver's won and lost record.

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This is why there is a strong argument between people will feel that a dominant running game is what will win the game for you, and those who recognize that a high number of yards gained by the running game will not guarantee that you'll win. Many people know that those higher running numbers can simply indicate that you were already winning the game. However, it's equally important to realize that you can have a dominating running game in both the first and second half. That's not as common anymore, but it is done.  If that's what the game stats show consistently, you've got a very good running team. It doesn't happen much any longer.

The reason is, very simply, that the rules have been continually changed since 1978 to show a preference for the passing game over the running game. This was done, as I'm sure you know, to increase scoring. The NFL wanted to make its games more exciting and to draw more fans. They felt the improving the passing game would be a faster way to accomplish this and so they began to make a long list are rule changes. I'm sure this is history that you are already familiar with.

But that does make it more confusing if you're going to have an argument about what a dominating running attack really does. Before we get into the example from last year's playoffs, I'd like to give a couple of examples of what I think a dominating running attack really does achieve.

First, the attack has to be able to run up the middle. This is particularly important against the 3-4 defense. The weakness of this defense is found in the middle of the field. In a 3-4 defense, you are facing three of the largest players on the field. That makes it twice as hard to run up the middle. If you can get the push to run up the middle against the 3-4 defense, you can break up this defense at its weakest point.

Obviously, the weakness of the 4-3 defense is that you can run to the edges. There you have one less linebacker, and because the defensive end is usually lighter, in general you can gain more yards against the edges. On the other hand, if you have a particularly good or large center and guard combination, you can also run up the middle on the 4-3 defense. If your offense is going to be called dominating, you need to be able to run against both defenses.

The second thing that makes a running attack dominant is to be able to run against the defense when they know that you're going to run. This was true, quite frequently, with Mike Shanahan's early teams. In the second half if the opposing team was down by even three points, Mike Shanahan was going to run against them. He would also throw the ball, to score an additional points, but you knew that he was going to run out the clock as much as you could possibly could. That combination could be deadly.

In a similar vein, there are strengths and weaknesses to both the power and the zone blocking offenses. The zone blocking offense although it did very well in Denver, uses smaller, lighter players. The fact of the matter is, they do wear out, often late in games and late in seasons. There are exceptions, of course, but this is a frequent problem. I believe that you'll find that Josh McDaniels prefers the power running offense for the same reason that he prefers larger tougher players at every position. It's in his basic philosophy as a coach. He always says that h wants tough, smart, physical players. In his mind, tough and physical also means larger. I have to admit, in today's modern NFL with the size and speed that we're seeing from our athletes, the power game has a lot going for it.

There are also disadvantages to the power game. For one thing, you have a lot of teams who are all searching for the same kind of player. That is going to be a problem with the 3-4 defense, moving into the future. More and more teams are using it - with Washington going that route, it's up to half the league, in some degree. Therefore, there will be more and more competition for players who fit that mold. That has been happening for years in the power running attack. By the way, as more and more teams are using the zone blocking, at least part of the time, you are also seeing more competition for talented players who can switch back and forth between these two systems. That is exactly what I see happening with the Denver Broncos. However, they went a long way this offseason - mostly in the draft - to solve this problem. Zane Beadles looks like he'll be able to turn into the real thing at guard, and Walton is a tough, nasty, hard-fighting center who is as smart is he is physical. It's a good combination. 

Josh McDaniels has said many times that he wants to use both zone blocking and power blocking in his running attack. He also noted that he wants to include what is called gap or regular blocking in which the guards are pulling on any given play. In some cases, the tackle pulls either instead or in addition to the guard. This requires players who are light on their feet, big, and very strong, but who are also athletic because technique is everything at this level of the game. This combination of factors might remind you of Ryan Clady. He is the proto type, the template for this type of player.

Now, imagine that you're facing five players who look like Ryan Clady. Next, imagine that you play defense and don't even want to go on the field. That would be about it. Of course, that's not realistic: Clady is a rare player. However, the theory holds - those are the things that are necessary to be able to run either system - any of the systems, really. Big, strong men who are light on their feet and nasty in their demeanor.

That leads us to the second problem with the power running attack. Each OL player has to win his own battle, usually one on one, against a defensive player. In the zone blocking scheme, often, two players will pull in a certain direction and double-team. It is less common in the power game, although it is done. A single weak link in this chain can create disaster. It is harder to make up for a single weak player.

Power Blocking versus Zone Blocking: The Jets/Chargers Game

When you look at the running game of New York in last year's playoff game with San Diego and you see the way that they handled the Bolts, you begin to understand why Josh McDaniels is looking for a power oriented offensive line. A member asked on a recent thread what were the differences between the zone blocking running attack and the power running attack. A couple of members were kind enough to respond, and I'd like to thank them.

In addition I'd like to add just a couple of simple points that were brought out while watching the San Diego game this weekend. Both teams generally used power blocking for their running game, but that just gave me some good examples of the differences between the zone blocking and power blocking running attacks. I'd like to note that I saw guards (and even a tackle) pulling on some plays, so apparently both teams favor using 'gap' or 'regular' blocking as well. The Broncos do too, by the way. For those who wrote and asked, it's my belief that McD has an interest in mostly being a power blocking team, but you can pretty much count on seeing gap blocking on other plays and zone blocking on some of them. He has a natural affinity for using several systems as a way to look for an advantage over a given attack on a certain play and down/distance. He's also looking, as all coaches do, for a good matchup.

In the SD/NYJ game, it didn't take long to find a good example of the power blocking system and how it differs from the zone blocking approach. On one of the first plays of San Diego's first drive, there was a pitch to LaDainian Tomlinson (who started behind the AB and slightly to the left.) which he took, driving forward towards the left side of the offensive line. The play was designed to go between the left guard and the left tackle, but both were occupied and had not been able to drive forward and clear that path. However, one reason that LDT has been such a good player is that he has great vision. He saw the waiting scrum, and took the ball outside, swinging around the left end of the LOS. A WR had cleared the cornerback and a second cleared the WLB. It was good for 5 yards. What really happened with the blocking? Each player - former Pro Bowl Marcus McNeil and the Pro Bowl left guard Kris Dielman did a good job at trying to drive back their man, but the DL players drove them together, clogging the hole. The WRs, through, did their jobs, and due to that, LDT did a nice job of turning it into an opportunity to have a nice little gain.

What would have happened in the case of a zone blocking play? Well, in the SD play, the O-line fired forward from their basic stance, drove forward, and attempted to create yardage by driving the DL backward. In a play later that quarter, San Diego fired out, moved the entire line backwards and made a nice hole that a lot of men could get through, which takes nothing away from LDT. That really isn't what happens in a zone blocking scheme. It's the difference between driving forward and getting the DL moving - but moving in a direction that you want the play to go in.

On a good ZB play, the line also fires outward, but to a player on one side or the other side (that's simplified, but sufficient to get the gist of it). If the play is going left, the center will usually (against a 4-3) fire against the NT, the larger tackle who you usually find on the right, (when facing the O line). Each of the O-lineman fire against a man to their left, they get them moving in that direction, and the DL who can best fight back often find himself receiving a cut block. This occurs when that great big lineman (for the ZB, we're 'only' talking 290, 305 lb.) drives into the outside of the thigh, an area called the IT or ilio-tibial band (it runs down the outside of the thigh, from the hip down to the knee, a flat piece of what amounts to gristle that is supposed to protect the outside of the leg as well as holding certain things together). This impact, by the way, hurts like heck. It hurts for a couple of days or more and it means that if you are the recipient of that kind of block multiple times in a single game, you just don't walk the same for a few days. You don't chase down a lot of RBs from behind afterward, either, and D linemen tend to just plain hate that block. It hurts like the dickens.

While this organized chaos is occurring, the running back in the system that Dennison, Turner and company were last year supposedly running will see the creation of what are called cut-back lanes. The running back has to do two things at once, and they are polar opposites. He has to wait until a lane develops (if he doesn't, everyone knows. He looks like he's trying to find his girlfriend in a crowd of other athletes). Or, he needs to make a single cut into or through a hole and to get quickly into the second level. It's not an easy skill to learn and a lot of running backs just aren't cut out for it. Last year, despite the injuries, Buckhalter was pretty much brilliant at it. His ypc of 5.4 showed that he could find those lanes very quickly. Moreno had never seen the system before, and that showed too with his 3.8 ypc average. However - you have to give Moreno credit for 947 yards carrying with 213 yards receiving gives him the top rookie total of 1160 yards from scrimmage. That's very good for a rookie, playing a new system that isn't really tooled for him. The consistent number of defenders grabbing him in the backfield didn't help much either. 

But if it works, when it works, there are great lanes that go backward, 'against the grain'. It's the RB's job to find that crease, and to hit it at exactly the perfect moment since such holes open and close almost immediately. Once in a great while you'll have one of those 'Continental Divide' kinds of holes the ones you could build a highway through. Those are often the ones after which we congratulate ourselves on how good our running back is, but they tend to start with the zone blocking line getting everyone moving in the same direction.

Which, when you think of it, is a pretty good metaphor for the game itself. We need for all our people to get moving in the same direction. It's essential for the players and coaches. It's nice for the fans when it happens, but fans like to debate, argue and harangue. You can't blame them there.

There were a few other things about this game that would be worth keeping in the old notebook. All of my notebooks are electronic, at this point, but even so - this is info that McD already knows and that most fans ought to.

The first is this: As stated, you attack a 3-4 defense by running at the middle of the formation. If you can win at the point of attack, you will probably win the ball game. Yes, other things can and will play in, at times, but let's be real - what's the correlation of controlling the running game (on both sides of the ball), getting higher ypc and driving the opposing DLs off the ball to winning? I'm not TJ, but if you put them together, it's pretty good odds that you will win the game.

By the way, if you want to see how a lot of folks would like a power back used (if he earns it), watch the performance that Shonn Green put on for the Jets in this game

I don't know if you're familiar with Greene's story, but this is a kid who dropped out of football a few years ago. He had never been much of a player before that - or so it was thought. He got a job at a local furniture warehouse, right up the road from the college (Iowa). he spent a year there, loading furniture, moving armories and mattresses, couches and tables and he came back to college with a new attitude and a raw intensity at football so intense that you wondered just where he's been keeping it hidden. He dropped a bit in the draft, part on a little extra weight and part on his past and lack of consistency, but that didn't bother him when the Jets took him with the first pick of the third round, at pick 63. He's been learning the NFL game and showed it on Sunday. His ferocity combined with the quality blocking of the Jets simply pushed the Chargers clean off the ball. It was a textbook example of how to shut down each phase of the 3-4 defense. You have to control the center of the defensive line. Without that, Greene, Knowshon Moreno or even Adrian Peterson would struggle.

To be clear, Greene would have been a terrible fit for the Broncos. His pass blocking was poor and it still isn't that good. He can't receive well enough to be on the Broncos offense. But he's a heck of a runner, and he showed that this past weekend. Many times, the player needs to system as much as the system needs to player. In New York, Shonn Greene has found his niche, much to the dismay of the opposing teams. The issue of pass blocking wasn't much of a concern because the Jets ran the ball almost 60 percent of the time in the regular season. They also use plenty of two-back looks and play action. That meant that Greene's weakness isn't as big a concern for them as it would be for a team that works out of the shotgun like the Broncos do.

But let's not forget what really mattered in the end. No matter how good you are, if you make enough mistakes and just plain give the ball (and some points, like three missed FGs and a timely unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty for kicking a challenge flag by none other than the missing Vincent Jackson) to the other team for a while, you don't tend to win the game. That's what the Chargers have managed, and oddly enough it earned Norv Turner a long term contract extension.

In fairness, when you don't lose a game in November or December for 3 years, it's hard to sever ties, but this game came down to the problems of the Chargers in miniature. Turnovers, mistakes, penalties and missed field goals are a great prescription for defeat. It's sad, to be honest. I know, we're supposed to 'hate' the Chargers. I don't, for the simple reason that hate has always poisoned the one who gives in to it more than those it is meant for. Let's be clear - I don't love them, either. They're a major division rival and I'd love to beat them more often, but their fans have been let down more than Mick Jagger's hair. No wonder the AFDC West is considered such a weak division - even the divisional winner isn't see to get anything done in the playoffs.

Nate Kaeding was/is a great kicker, but he has choked in a few playoff games now, and that will probably earn him a serious look-see in this new offseason, despite Norv Turner's assurances that he'll be back. Rivers was intercepted a couple of times and the Chargers added more troubles to their own list, including 10 penalties, four of them major. Does anyone recall when Buffalo was unstoppable in getting to the Super Bowl and hapless once there? It was so embarrassing that some of the fans moved away. Do you want to guess where they went?

Apparently, a lot of them went to San Diego. They get a little less to suffer - at least the weather is nice. That's not much, but every little bit counts. Chargers fans have become the Cubs West, the Cleveland Indians of the football world, the team that can't get it done. This past year, they were getting healthy at the right time, earned a bye week and were playing their best football. They were at home against a wild card team and were beaten by none other than themselves. The Jet's barely had to be on the field, not to take anything away from a heck of a performance, especially by Greene.

Jimmy Johnson's comment remains accurate. There are perhaps 8-10 teams each year that you'll have to beat. All the rest will self-destruct if you just give them that chance. SD did a professional job of it, but they've had a lot of practice. 

Let's hope that this next year the Broncos can step up and take the division crown away. San Diego can't seem to make it over the hump, so it's time for someone else to take a try. It might as well be Denver.

Go Broncos!

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Thanks Doc

Lots of great stuff in there. Thanks for spending the time!

I always found it interesting that Shanahan could plug in seemingly any back and make him a 800+yd rusher. But sounds like power blocking/gap blocking is the preferred method around the league? Is zone blocking that much harder to master?

So I see you rolled your way into the semis?

by OutOfYourElement on Aug 18, 2010 8:11 PM MDT reply actions  

They're just extremely different

ZB, at least in the Gibbs/Dennison version, is tough. It’s tough on the blockers, but it’s very hard on the RBs. You noted that it seemed that Shanahan could make an 800 yard rusher out of anyone – and, you’ve hit on a very important point.

TebB wrote a long comment onto a thread under one of my articles He pointed out that one reason that you didn’t choose 1st round RBs (I know, guys – lots of good reasons not to. This is just one specific) is that the higher round picks have more trouble mastering the system. You have to trust the system. It’s how you make your yards. Example – Buckhalter has been a ZB back. He was doing 6.7 and more ypc and Moreno was struggling. KM couldn’t find the quick crease – he likes to juke, hit this guy with power, etc. Buck? He just followed the scheme and had more success. You can see the difference. I had written an article on KM before, and expressed concern. If we were keeping the ZB scheme – and at that point, it looked like we would – KM wasn’t who I’d pick at all. With the change to the new system, if he can stay healthy, he could be quite good, even elite good (others will disagree – it’s still my opinion and I’m keeping it for now). The point here is, yes, the Broncos system WAS that hard to master, but easier if you weren’t as used to playing a different way, hence the later round picks (and KM’s problems especially early last year.

There is an increasing amount of ZB around the league, but other than Kubiak, I don’t know if anyone in particular (I haven’t researched it yet, and if anyone would jump in I’d be grateful) is still using the specific Gibbs system. I’m about half sure that Shanahan will, but that’s about it. However – there are more teams that do use ZB as part of their packages than do not. It’s very helpful, it’s hard on DL players, but everything in the NFL has good and bad sides. Welcome to planet Earth ;-)

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Aug 18, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

thank you for referencing ted

i had no idea that he had rejoined the land of the living. looks like i gave up checking his site about a month too soon (3 months of his 7 round mock draft on the front page was enough for me).
dennison is coordinating kubiak’s offense this year, giving me one more reason to keep an eye on “broncos south”.

as long as you're paying attention

by neurospasm on Aug 20, 2010 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

conversions

count me in as onboard with the scheme/personnel change. zb is great between the 20’s. we need to convert 3rd-2/goal-to-go situations. enough getting blown off the ball or getting a holding penalty in the red zone. i am really relieved and excited about the change. zb served us well, but also limited us. moving on

taste my blitzkrieg!
sign champ now

by davecheffy on Aug 18, 2010 8:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Good to see you, dave!

I agree – time to move on.

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Aug 18, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great write up, Doc

Thanks for the concise way in which you described the different approaches.

Rec’d

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Aug 18, 2010 10:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Great article Doc

especially love talking OL having formerly been one myself. I also went to school (albeit, HS, was going to play in college but 2 knee injuries and torn labrums in both shoulders thought otherwise) when we were switching from a power like scheme (a form of the wing-T) to the ZBS. The biggest difference is the ZBS offers the flexibility of a hole opening up anywhere. But with that comes the doubled edged sword of needinging a patient running back with great vision (of whom don’t grow off of trees). The power scheme, on the other hand, has less flexibility. In it, there is really only one hole (unless the RB finds a way to bounce it outside, but that can be risky), but the advantage is is that if you have a back who has great explosion, it can work out really well, as in he can hit the hole at a million miles an hour and force some yards just through the momentum the RB is generating through his acceleration and explosion. Also, the power scheme generally allows for a lead blocker who, although is not necessary, can be a huge asset.

Really, it comes down to what you are comfortable with as a team/coach. Each is really a personnel driven scheme on both the OL and with your RB’s. If you can find the right players for whichever scheme, you should find some success.

However, here are a couple questions I have for McD going to the power:
1. With a spread like passing attack on O, how does the power scheme fit in? I generally have thought that the ZBS was perfect for the spread system. Really, you just need one RB and 5 OL and possibly a TE. But with power, you generally need a TE and a FB, which in effect makes it not a spread. Sure, you can run the power out of the gun but I believe the ZBS is more effective with the spread forms McD uses.
2. Why use the power scheme without a traditional FB? Sure, Larsen’s been pretty good, but generally succesful power schemes employ a more traditional lead blocking FB.

Again, don’t peg me as a guy favoring one scheme over the other. I really like both when used correctly, but I do have a couple of questions I’d like to ask McD on why he made the switch.

And Doc, great article and love it. I really love talking about these schemes because they’re both so fascinating and when used correctly can be great

by DBroncs1414 on Aug 18, 2010 11:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Fascinating article Doc, thank you.

One comment was particularly germane.

it’s my belief that McD has an interest in mostly being a power blocking team, but you can pretty much count on seeing gap blocking on other plays and zone blocking on some of them. He has a natural affinity for using several systems as a way to look for an advantage over a given attack on a certain play and down/distance.

Coach McD has consistently harped on having versatile players. This O Line will be able to use any one of the three types of blocking schemes on any given play.. Polumbus has been knocked on this site repeatedly, but the guy has that versatility. I predict one thing, the Denver Broncos will play hard-nosed football and will be extremely difficult to prepare for.

Once again, thanks for the great article. Rec’d.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Aug 19, 2010 6:00 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent post, Doc. Rec'd!

I enjoyed the Jets/SD game from last season that you referenced. The Jets had built a pretty good OL over several drafts as well as picking up some guys via FA and trades. They were able to use a first year QB who had success in large part because of the running game.

I was intrigued with your assessment that in a power blocking scheme each OL guy has to win his battle or there could be a breakdown. Not necessarily so in a ZB scheme. Not doubting it – just intrigued. So a guy like Jamal Williams could really blow up some plays by good penetration.

Just a side note, after the Cincinnati game, Kyle Orton was asked about his new LG and OC. He responded that they kept the middle clean. That sounded like he was satisfied.

Since the old ZB scheme used smaller players like Weigman and Hamilton, could the new ZB scheme with bigger guys be more able to move the DL than the old?

BTW: I tried Ted’s site a couple of times in the last days. “Off the air”. Too bad. It had a lot of promise. Hope he is doing good.

Thanks Doc for your insight and journalistic skills. This is going to my electronic storehouse.

by Blackknigh on Aug 21, 2010 12:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Well said, as usual.

A couple of questions, maybe off subject. Shanahan did have a knack for scoring early with his ‘scripted’ drives to start a game. Is he using this plan in DC this year? Do other coaches in the league do this as well? It would seem to take a lot of pressure off a team to be able to practice plays in the order they will be used. They know what’s coming, as it were.

Tip: Orton jerseys soon to increase in value, buy now!

by azdenfan on Aug 22, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, Bk and asdf

Bk, you’r comment is always a pleasure and an impetus to work further. Your point is good – yes, the power scheme can be more effective in certain ways (it’s easier to stop a 320 lb DL with a 315 lb OL, regardless of the advantages of angular physics as demonstrated in the ZB schemes, but that doesn’t mean that you’ll always be successful. In fact, at times you won’t be, in either scheme. The biggest advantage to the power scheme(s) (we haven’t gotten into it yet, but there are quite a few different power schemes, as well as several variations on the ZB approach) is size, certainly. Giving up too much is dangerous, although there are schemes that minimize those dangers.

Which brings us to Shanahan. He know that Alex Gibb could minimize the dangers of the ZB scheme, and he hired him, which worked out well. Shannie’s 15 scripted plays – although he didn’t always use them all, or in order (there was always the flow of the game to deal with) – were highly effective. Yes, Shanahan was a big believer in getting a lead early and then holding on to it, and that helped Denver for a long time. Everyone and everything has it’s own cycle and reasons at a given time – I think that people just eventually learned how to minimize Shanahan’s advantages, no matter how well he’d developed them. Think of the cars that won the Indy 500 in the 70’s vs. now and the time differences. All things have a season, as Solomon once wrote.

A note on the ZB with larger players – humans continue to grow larger and stronger. This is no surprise, but there is a side to this that most don’t know. As an archeological dig in SW South Africa has shown, our most recent relatives on the evolutionary tree were, as several ancient texts including Genesis tell us, giants. The males averaged about 7 feet tall with some well past that, women and adolescent males ran in the 6 foot to 6.5 foot range. That capability may well still be in our genetics, waiting for the time that we learn to unlock it, should we choose. We may not choose to – we already know that smaller peoples live longer and require less food. On our rapidly shrinking planet, we may choose that size and approach instead (yes, we will soon have to ability to choose, if a couple desires it. Most will stay with the ‘old-fashioned’ method for it’s ‘other’ advantages).

I have not read anything regarding his use or non-use of the scripted plays this year (the one time it was brought up, Shanahan was vague, a talent he had when he chose to use it), but I intend to watch most of the Redskin’s games. Momentum in a game is a huge key, and forcing your opponent to play catchup from the start can be draining on him. The sole downside is if he does catch you – momentum can be like a sleazy lover, prone to changing partners at any point without notice. It should be fun to watch!

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Aug 22, 2010 1:44 PM MDT reply actions  

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