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2010 Denver Broncos Training Camp: Training Camp Report - 8/2/10

The Broncos got a bit of a break today, having just one workout for the fans here at Dove Valley.  It was a workout filled with ups and downs, typical of early on in Training Camp.  Players are a bit tired from the two workouts the day before and mental weariness begins to take its toll.  Oh yea, it was pretty warm in the Colorado sun as well.

Below are my thoughts, as I wrote them, as I watched the workout.  I have also come to some determinations about how I am going to handle the rest of camp - I'll get to that at the end.

  • WR Demaryius Thomas was out early working on some technique with coaches.  Specifically, it looked like Thomas was working on using his hands to get off press coverage, something he is likely to see a lot of until he proves he can beat it.
  • Early on it was Matthew Willis returning kickoffs along with Perrish Cox.  Both are smooth as Kool-Whip in the return game.  One note about Willis, he is NOW officially the MAN of camp so far.  I don't exactly know what that means just thre workouts in, but he has shined both days.  When asked about it after the workout, Willis admitted it was his goal to make a statement early on in Camp.  Now he needs to continue what he started as more and more of the offense gets installed.

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  • Many of you have asked about Alphonso Smith.  Unfortunately, I don't have good news.  The best way I can describe it right now - it's in his head.  What I mean by that is he looks like he is playing with little confidence.  He struggled in one-on-one drills, then, during a kick-coverage drill was surprised by an onside kick.  It wasn't a good day.  I know that the sharks are circling for Smith, and there is a long way to go in Camp, but things need to turn around.
  • With that said, Nate Jones was taking reps as the starting Nickle corner.
  • Another guy the many Broncos fans ask me about is Jarvis Moss.  Moss, by many accounts, was one of the stars of the off-season, especially during mini-camps.  Mini-camps are non-contact, though, and players don't wear pads.  It is a speed game, so to speak.  That is what Jarvis does well.  Here in camp, with full pads and contact, Jarvis has once again disappeared at times.  I was watching the linebackers hit the blocking sled.  When it comes to contact there just isn't much explosion.  It's important because it signifies a players ability to shed blockers.  That has been Jarvis' problem his whole career.  Something to keep an eye on.
  • I was watching the receivers and DB's go through some one-on-one drills.  Let me just say that Champ Bailey is still as smooth as ever.  He may not go 100% every play - nor should he, he'll be ready come September, but when presented with a challenge, like a one-on-one drill, he still shows he's one of the best.
  • I was pleasantly surprised with Perrish Cox during this drill as well.  While he didn't have great straight-line speed(he got beat by Kenny McKinley on one fly-route) he did show nice fluidity when breaking on the ball.  He does a nice job getting out of his back-pedal and breaking on the ball. 
  • The Broncos moved onto some team drills.  The action got a bit more intense on both sides of the ball and it was nice to see. 
  • Kolby Smith was getting the 1st team reps, followed by Toney Baker and Lance BallSpencer Larsen even made a cameo at half-back.  To be honest, all three looked explosive.  While there was hitting, the defense was not tackling to the ground, so it is hard to determine just how affective they were, but you can tell they know they have a tremendous opportunity.  Make a good showing, and they'll get a shot - whether it is here in Denver or some place else.
  • Noticed Dustin Fry was playing back-up center.  He also came in at RG when Chris Kuper got shaken up.  Kuper missed about 10 minutes of action before returning.
  • I also took note that Seth Olsen was running with the first-team offense at LG.  Zane Beadles had been playing there earlier in the session.  Beadles looked better today, and as a unit the O-Line was improved.  I wouldn't read much into it since Josh McDaniels had already said he was going to rotate guys in a out.
  • Speaking of sloppy, that was one way to describe the entire offense.  At one point during the session, the entire group was sent for a lap.  It was quite the site.  When asked after the workout the reason for it, McDaniels stated the multiple mistakes - too many men, false starts, etc, as reasons.  He clearly was not happy with the way the offense finished out the day.
  • I was watching the workout with Andrew Mason, for Broncos web guru and current MaxDenver owner/operator/writer.  We were commenting on the lack of interceptions by the defense.  Just then, two near misses by Tony Carter in the Camp's first 2-minute drill.  Perhaps I'll try that method during the season as well.
  • As for the 2-minute drill, both the 1st and 2nd offense and defense had their crack.  Starting from their own 30, 2 minutes to go and no timeouts, the 1st team offense was able to pick up one first down before being stopped at their own 46.  The 2nd team offense was a bit better.  With Brady Quinn at the helm, the unit picked up 3 first downs, moving the ball to the opponent 27 yard-line with 4 seconds to go.  The session ended without what would have been a 'game winning field-goal'.  I would deem the effort a success.
  • Today's full-team workout ended with a field-goal blocking drill I had never seen at Camp.  A huge mat was placed on the field, and players dove onto the mat to block kicks.  An effective drill to try and teach proper bloacking technique.

You'll notice I haven't mentioned a certain name.  Tim Tebow.  Tebow is a huge quandary for me.  I'll go into why in a second. I did notice, after the full team workout had ended, Tebwo worked with some WR's and DB's in what looked to be a progression drill.  The Broncos are making sure Tebow gets the work - whether it is during the practice or after.

Here is what makes watching and evaluating Tebow so tough.  He got into the action, he threw some passes and ran some QB sneaks.  He seems pretty obvious that Tebow will likely be a part of the 45-man roster every Sunday.

Where he is at right now, as a quarterback, is anyone's guess, and that is all it is, a guess.  You'll see people on both sides, but there is no way to fairly to evaluate Tim. 

We know Tim can run.  We know he can improvise.  He can do it very, very well.  He has instincts you can't teach.  That delivery, however, wow.  Everything about it is wrong, except one thing.  The ball gets form Point A to Point B.  Fast.  It has lead me to make a determination.

I am not going to give my opinion on Tebow again until I see him against a live defense that is trying to take his head off.  These practices are too controlled, the hitting too limited.  I need to see him against a real defense, playing the game.  Honestly, that is what I think Tebow's strength is.  Some guys are good passers, some guys good runners, other guys smarter than the rest.  Tim Tebow is a really good football player.  I want to see him play football.  Only then, when there are tangible results, can I make a FAIR analysis.

Otherwise it is simply guessing.

Videos, Quotes, and more analysis coming later tonight.  GO BRONCOS!

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by DavidinLA on Aug 2, 2010 6:34 PM MDT reply actions  

RE: Alphonso Smith

I’ve read very different views on him thus fa on other sites. They have said that Phonz is lining up as the starting nickle back and has looked very good in man-to-man. I think some of the confusion may be that Nate Jones is wearing Phonz’s old #33 and Phonz is #22 now. Can you clear that up a little for us?

by Fredginald on Aug 3, 2010 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

oops

that’s meant for the OP.

by Fredginald on Aug 3, 2010 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bena answers your question below. He is very aware that Phonz is #22 and Jones is #33.

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by McGeorge on Aug 3, 2010 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, fair and sobering to say the least.

I sense you didnt realize how abnormal (wrong word, but you get the jist) Tebow’s throwing motion is.

Kinda scary coming from you.

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by Orange and Blue on Aug 2, 2010 6:37 PM MDT reply actions  

I realized it...

It just isn’t the endgame that many say it is. A lot of QB’s have had a ton of success with a bad motion. I just can’t give a fair assessment under these conditions. I need REAL games. What I am seeing now, however, is a bad motion that gets the ball where it needs to be.

We’ll see in a couple weeks.

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sobering report indeed...

It’s only the second day though. Kinks will be worked out…

by Rob Burson on Aug 2, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Definitely....

I tend to look at things like a coach. It wasn’t meant to be a sobering report. I thought there was improvement, including on the O-Line….

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I appreciate it. Your slant of your report has nothing to do with my expectations of the offense in yr 2. Just 2 days in means nothing I understand, but I am certainly counting on improvement by the end of TC.

Did it seem that there was any downfield attention on offense? Or is fairly focused on the 5-12 yd range…passing-wise?

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by Orange and Blue on Aug 2, 2010 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not..

They took at least half a dozen shots down field….They are definitely looking to attack down the field, at least from what I’ve seen so far…

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is good to hear!

How did Orton look throwing those deep passes?

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by Dustin Maul on Aug 2, 2010 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

TEBOW

Before this even starts – I am not blasting Tebow. I don’t want this to become a pro-Tebow V. anti-Tebow debate. To be fair, to myself and all of you, I cannot use this practices, that are carried out in a vacuum, to evaluate Tebow.

The guy has everything else you could want, and the lack or the prototypical release doesn’t mean he won’t succeed. Just ask Berniw Kosar, or Philip Rivers!

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 6:47 PM MDT reply actions  

In other words...

I want to see him in a game.

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly....I remember when Rivers first started playing, seeing his delivery and thinking "holy hell, that's weird."

But as part of the whole package at quarterback…it works. Perhaps it will be the same with Tebow, but I’m glad that you’re treating covering him this way. We have to see the whole package, not just practices.

by Pat Iversen on Aug 2, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

The motion

Are you seeing the ‘new’ motion or the ‘old’ motion back from the Gator days?

Thanks.

by NYCBronx on Aug 2, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

More people should be saying this Guru

Wait until the bullets are real before truely polarizing yourself one way or the other. Until then it’s all just speculation.

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by DaytonaBronco on Aug 2, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

regarding his first live action, I've got my tickets for the Cincy game

It’s still early, but I’ll be interested to see the preseason playing time breakdown. My wild guess would be something like this

Game 1
O 1Q
Q 2/3Q
T 4Q

Game 2
O 1Q
Q 2Q
T 3/4Q

Game 3
O 1/2Q
Q 2Q
T 4Q

Game 4
Q 1/2Q
T 3/4Q

by admill on Aug 3, 2010 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bernie, the side-armed wonder!

His throwing motion was god awful and his mobility … not a heckuva lot better than Orton’s. But he got the job done … and got it done pretty well, I might say.

His battles with Elway were amazing to watch…

by tunga77 on Aug 3, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Moss looked good on 11 vs 11.

I remember one off tackle play to his side and he powered his way to stuff the run. He also brought decent pressure on passes.

by nhiddy on Aug 2, 2010 6:54 PM MDT reply actions  

That's what is great about camp...

So many eyes, so many different perspectives…We all want the same thing, though!

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well said.

I would mention that I think Matt Willis is legit and the hype is deserved by the way he is playing right now.

by nhiddy on Aug 2, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't call him Matt...

It’s Matthew… Seriously, he gets offended from what I am told.. :)

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 2, 2010 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've heard quite a few different opinions about Cox

I’ve heard that he looks impressive then I have read a couple times that he is getting beat. Guru, Do you think Cox can contribute this year in the nickel game?

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by Nick Cast on Aug 2, 2010 7:10 PM MDT reply actions  

additionally

I have read quite a bit that Nathan Jones is getting beat. Thoughts?

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by Nick Cast on Aug 2, 2010 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I saw Jones...

make several nice plays today. Right now he seems to have a firm grip on the nickel job

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

good news

Champ Goodman and Jones are a pretty nice 3some of DB’s. Thanks guru.

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by Nick Cast on Aug 2, 2010 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

A huge thank you...

to all that are posting what they are seeing at TC. I hope all of you; Guru, Kaptain, DMaul Sayre and the rest that I haven’t listed how truly appreciative I am for all your contributions.

I’d love to see Perrish Cox make the roster and contribute for obvious reasons and his uncle is one of my customers. He was amazed at how much I knew about his nephew when he was drafted. All I can say is thanks to MHR!

Thank you very much and keep us posted!

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by broncofaninIL on Aug 2, 2010 7:42 PM MDT reply actions  

As far as Tebow's release goes....

McD said the most important thing(for any QB) is to have a consistent motion…for anyone that’s been out there, does Tebow’s look consistent? My guess is the quickness of the release will improve over time.

by black_knight101 on Aug 2, 2010 7:44 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I am with you JB

I have seen some of the practices on TV and Tebows motion does still seem to be a bit long, almost like a baseball pitcher, however it still doesn’t matter if he produces during real games, I sure hope and believe he will.

by broncos314 on Aug 2, 2010 7:44 PM MDT reply actions  

I think that long release will be even more detrimental in a real game

Then in practice. If he can speed it up, it would go a long way, look at Rivers, he has a different style or release, but he is very, very fast about getting the ball out.

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by Topher Doll on Aug 2, 2010 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

So max you are on me like

a fly aren’t you, I quantified my statement with the word “produces” which would entail that during live games his long motion doesn’t matter becasue he would be “producing” results, and yes you are correct if he wasn’t “producing” then yes potentially the long release could be a factor in Tebow “not producing”

by broncos314 on Aug 2, 2010 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't like flys very much

But like John and others have said, if the ball gets from point A to point B, that’s fine, for now anyways. I don’t think it can’t be fixed, I’m sure Tebow is working very hard to speed it up, and I’m sure by 2011 he will have improved it enough to easily be in the battle for the starting job. I do think if he were to start the biggest problem for him would be sacks or just pressure because it would revert him back to his old self, something McD is trying to train out of him.

I didn’t mean this and an attack, more so as a point of worry, rather then anything else.

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by Topher Doll on Aug 3, 2010 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

A friend of mine is a college football quarterbacks coach

He recently went to a Mississippi State convention. Talking about Tebow, Dan Mullen (Tebow’s former offensive coordinator at Florida) said that he was a great leader, a great physical specimen, but just couldn’t process information quickly.

How is he looking as he goes through his progressions? I’m also worried about the delivery. Phillip Rivers works because he gets the ball out so fast. Tebow’s takes so long to get out.

by aldawg33 on Aug 2, 2010 7:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I wonder about that not to disagree, but

what really attracted McDaniels to Tebow was the fact that Tebow picked up their complicated offense and terminology so fast and was talking it back to them in such a short period of time. McDaniels has spent time with alot of Qb’s from the combine college quarterback to professional, for Tebow to make that impression on the coach holds alot of weight for me. If you listen to him speak he’s intelligent he’s well thought out and articulates his message very well, something Jay Cutler always struggled with. Sorry I’m not trying to be confrontational I just haven’t come across anything yet to support that point.

by cptmorni on Aug 2, 2010 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

But is there a diff in his game vs practice IQ?

Real-time, reading linebackers, making progressions, watching blitzes is different than just running through offensive plays. Some guys just aren’t as good as others at multitasking even though they are smart as hell. Man, I hope that isn’t the case, otherwise he will be out of the league in a couple of years. Please McD/Tebow show Mullen wrong!!!

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by DaytonaBronco on Aug 2, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand what your saying

thats a very valid point. You look at his pedigree though and how many college football players have been put into the pressure situations Tebow has, and made the pressure progressions and reads he’s had to make Very few have been in the fire that Tebows been in and he came out as the best college football player of all time. He’s got some ability to make progressions and multitask 2 National championships and a Heismann are proof enough for me. He’s learning a new offense and seeing completley different defensive schemes he’s never really seen a 3-4 defense let alone an NFL 3-4 defense give him time to adjust.

by cptmorni on Aug 2, 2010 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've heard this criticism before from another source

In fact, it was one reason that I didn’t like the pick prior to the draft. What’s done is done – now my interest is in him as a Bronco.

That said, I’ve run into a lot of people over the years, being a clinician, that had their own stories to tell me. I’ve always found that the life experiences of the patient and the specific illness or even musculo-skeletal injury tendencies to be linked. For that reason, I always encouraged my patients to tell me things about themselves that might not come up in other ways. One thing that I heard quite often was a person telling me that maybe they were’t good at a lot of things, but they could do X like it was automatic to them. Generally they were either making their living that way or it was important as a hobby, family activity or something personal

IPS is very important. The only problem that might occur with it would be that people process differently when we present them with different subjects. As an example, I have a fairly bad learning disability in mathematics. I score substantially higher in linguistics and reading with comprehension. Different things come easily or everything in between. I found that a lot of people are like that – perhaps all.

Some people are just born doctorates in gardening, cooking, accounting, child-rearing, management – whatever the subject. And, some folks just ‘get’ football. All the tests in the world won’t figure it out or measure it – but McDaniels believes that he can see that in him. The mechanics will be what they will be. They will affect his performance in some degree unless he’s able to erase the neuro-biological pathway that is that old motion. Stranger things have happened, but it’s quite possible that it will take some time. If Orton can play well and win with the team, Tebow will have more time to make things automatic. He’s got a lot of process. I know that some QBs have actually prospered by being thrown into the fire. Others seem to need that period to work themselves into that skill level. I think that Tebow would prosper by having a goodly amount of time before he’s needed. So, how Orton plays will make a big difference this year.

So far the words on Orton have been pretty strongly favorable. John pointed out that his arm strength is really quite high. A year with Tuten and a lot of coaching on how to use that strength is a helpful thing. If he can carry this over to the regular season, the Broncos could do quite well. As I say, I’ve heard nothing but good stuff from camp so far. It’s early.

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by Doc Bear on Aug 2, 2010 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions   4 recs

I would hardly call him the greatest of all time

One of the best, maybe, he was great either way. But a big concern for him in college was progression, rarely did he look past his first option, which is what often lead to him using his feet. As for pressure situations, many, many quarterbacks have been in situations he has, McCoy and Bradford are just two from this class, and actually, I’d say McCoy almost had a better college career then Tebow, but a lot of people like to ignore that he’s the winningest quarterback in college history.

Tebow was a great player, but he was hardly in a unique situation in Florida, he was surrounded by talent, he had a great coach and one of the best defenses in college as well. He hardly won those games on his own. Once again, Tebow was a great player, one of the best quarterbacks in recent memory.

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by Topher Doll on Aug 3, 2010 12:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he means IPS.

i.e. how fast he can make a decision when the ball is snapped.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 2, 2010 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing this

While I believe that all of these points may be valid and surely many people have brought them up before.
I have a hard time believing though that someone who is on good terms with the University of Florida would burn some bridges by making that type of statement regarding Tebow. I don’t think John Elway would say something similar to this about Terrell Davis, so why would a guy like Mullen who owes alot of his success to Tebow (one of the greatest college players ever will do that for any coordinator) go and make that type of statement casually in public

by DW76 on Aug 2, 2010 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not burning bridges to speak the truth

If a player struggles, you don’t hide it, you confront it and deal with it.

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by Topher Doll on Aug 3, 2010 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

John Bena is right, let the Tebow debate wait..

John, thanks you very much for the camp eyes..Kudo’s to Sayre and others.
When possible how about news on ‘change’;
Does Kevin Alexander look like a 53 nfl olb?
Do we know why Chris Baker is out?
How about Jeff Stehle to the ps?
Kolby Smith seems to have ’shown up"
Any surprise out of Barton or Daniels?

And sorry to hear about Alphonso Smith!

by DLMyers on Aug 2, 2010 8:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Get used to it...

The Cult of Tebow has barely started; enjoy the ride.

by keb on Aug 2, 2010 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

precisely because of the large following

would merit at least a mention of it. the placement and attitude of it puts it in place.

im with you mcgeorge, the buzz is a bit obnoxious at this point. but it is good to see a fair addressing of it here without gushing and obsessing over every dot and tittle.

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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 2, 2010 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

You bring up a good point...

In a way, that is what I was saying. the thing with Tebow, however, is he isn’t your average, everyday 3rd string QB. He’s going to be on the field. I could see a scenario very similar to how Philly used Michael Vick last season. Vick was the #2 QB, but when McNabb got hurt, it was Kolb that was the starter, not Vick. Vick was in there as the #2 simply to be used in the offense.

I could see the same type of scenario. Tebow is the #2 for games, but if Orton ever got hurt, Quinn would be the guy.

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

But still, Tebow has yet to throw an interception in TC and has been pretty impressive...

I agree with Guru, but I also think Tebow is one of those rare athletes that plays better in game situations rather than practice. the crap he is hearing now he has heard for his WHOLE career.
Not many rate his intangibles highly enough. He frankly blows McCoy and Bradford away when it comes to those….but hey, thats just my opinion!

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by boydy2669 on Aug 3, 2010 2:10 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know about that last part. I would think McCoy scores very high on intangibles. Isn’t he the winning-est (is that even a word) college QB in history. It’s not like his size or arm got him to that point.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 3, 2010 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did my boy Ryan Harris look good again today?

How did the TEs look?

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 2, 2010 8:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Harris was solid...

So far so good on that front, which is encouraging, but I am going to keep my eyes on it.

TE’s were up and down today. Daniel Graham is solid, as always, but Branson is the guy I was watching. He was sent for 2 ‘laps of shame’, and a couple of his mistakes are what ultimately caused the entire offense run a lap. He did make a couple of grabs during the 2-minute drill at the end of the workout, however.

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

John thanks for the update on Alphonso

I asked you about him this morning on Vic and Gary I appreciate you taking the time to give us a little info on him. Thank you for sacrificing your time to give us these great updates I look forward to it everyday keep up the good work.

by cptmorni on Aug 2, 2010 8:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank you for these great reports

I appreciate that you don’t sugarcoat it for us. That is why I come here, to be an informed fan. I’m already obsessed and biased, I need some balance.

by BigskyBronco on Aug 2, 2010 9:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Mind asking a question for me Guru?

Is JWill on the PUP in TC just a chance to give a vet some relief from the punishments of camp on his body? I hope that’s the case and it’s not something with the knees or TFTR.

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by DaytonaBronco on Aug 2, 2010 9:16 PM MDT reply actions  

McD has kept the situation quiet

He won’t say anything, and somehow it hasn’t leaked. My guess is he’s fine otherwise something would have leaked.

by black_knight101 on Aug 2, 2010 10:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent, Excellent.

As an MHRer who gets put into the Negative Nelly category way more than the Kool-Aid crowd, I just want to say THIS is it. This is the best type of article on MHR (imo). John, you managed to fit in what looks good, what doesn’t, what would help and what to watch for, AND it didn’t take an hour to slug though. Thanks for the even-minded observations and opinions. I’d recommend this puppy twice if I could.

by oxmouth on Aug 2, 2010 9:27 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Ditto

+1 really liked the “smooth as kool-whip” analogy!

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by timmaybronco on Aug 2, 2010 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

This is getting back to the roots of the site. I am a fan, first and foremost, but I have always considered myself a realist. You may agree with me, you may disagree, but what I write is what I see and what I believe. I do, however, always reserve the right to change my mind. :)

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alphonso

John,

Thanks for the great reports… One thing on Alphonso Smith. Are you aware that he switched numbers? One of the guys on another site said that people were getting confused because Nate Jones is #33 now (Alphonso’s old number), and that he has been playing terribly. Smith changed to #22, and the guy was raving about how well he’s been playing.

Anyway – just wanted to make sure there wasn’t a mix up, because your reports are much more depressing. ;)

Thanks for everyting!

by outdoor_miner on Aug 2, 2010 10:47 PM MDT reply actions  

:)

Yes, I know he is 22. Here’s the thing with camp, and those of you that have come out know what I am talking about.

A lot of the individual position drills occur on the field closest to the building – farthest from the fans. It is the field I get the best vantage point of. Many of my specific comments come from these drills because they are happening right in front of me.

When the team goes onto the field directly in front of the fans, it is further away. I will sometimes go into the crowd to get a better vantage point, but over it becomes tougher.

Each of my practice reports are based on that practice. At the end of camp I will look at overall performance when making my 53-man roster predictions, but right now look at each workout in a vacuum.

Today, I thought Nate played well. Phonz, not so much. Tomorrow is a new day…

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the reports.

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by firstfan on Aug 2, 2010 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're missing ya out here!!!

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I appreciate the reply… And – sorry to ask such a dumb question. It is tough for those of us who can’t be out there, and we hear conflicting reports on how someone performed. I really want Smith to step it up. I really liked how he played early last year, and then he disappeared.

Oh well. I will continue to hope for the best, and look forward to preseason where I can watch with my own two eyes. In the meantime, your hard work and insight is most appreciated!

by outdoor_miner on Aug 2, 2010 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where is Gaffney in all of this? Is he there? I dont recall seeing his name called much?

Always remember Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David.
-- Shug Jordan

by Orange and Blue on Aug 2, 2010 11:02 PM MDT reply actions  

And is eddie playing the slot? or are they moving him around a lot?

Always remember Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David.
-- Shug Jordan

by Orange and Blue on Aug 2, 2010 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Slot mostly.

I am going to keep a close eye on Eddie tomorrow…

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

much appreciated. thanks a million for all of this info.

Always remember Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David.
-- Shug Jordan

by Orange and Blue on Aug 2, 2010 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gaffney

He’s the ultimate pro. He’s working, making plays, the tough catches. Much like Royal.

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by John Bena on Aug 2, 2010 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

excellent

Always remember Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David.
-- Shug Jordan

by Orange and Blue on Aug 2, 2010 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

How many MHRers have you met?

Take any pics with them?

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by Nick Cast on Aug 2, 2010 11:15 PM MDT reply actions  

In regards to the Phonz “The best way I can describe it right now – it’s in his head.”

I don’t think so, I think it’s his feet. He lacks quickness and speed. But it’s the quickness that is killing him in the NFL. Nickel is not the right place for him since those WRs are bullet quick. He should be on the outside covering the other teams #2 WR. If he can’t hack it there, he is done.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 3, 2010 7:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the update!

and level-headed analysis!

Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)

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by Broncotodd on Aug 3, 2010 8:14 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, John!

Super stuff and I appreciate all you guys getting out there and getting this info for us.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 3, 2010 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Bey Bey

First off, thank you SO much John! I really appreciate your taking your time out to report back to us while we have to slave away at work.

Second, on Bey Bey, you wrote:

WR Demaryius Thomas was out early working on some technique with coaches. Specifically, it looked like Thomas was working on using his hands to get off press coverage, something he is likely to see a lot of until he proves he can beat it.

Yesterday after practice, I was listening to McD’s interview on KOA, and when asked how Bey Bey was doing, McD specifically mentioned that he had come up to him after practice and asked if he could meet with coach before work, first thing in the morning, to work on techniques for getting off press.

Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA

by Rzeppa on Aug 3, 2010 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the updates!

I have to admit, I’ve really been out of it, in terms of our Broncos for a good 3-4 weeks. A busy life, plus the epic fail that is the NFL offseason, has got me barely even signing onto MHR! gasp

But man … all these TC updates are really getting me … FIRED. UP.

Thanks to all your hard work, MHR.

/raises a pint glass.

by tunga77 on Aug 3, 2010 11:57 AM MDT reply actions  

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