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Don't count your chickens.

When I was a child, I had this nasty habit of planning on things to happen before they actually did. When I was 15 years old, I got my first job at a restaurant serving food and cleaning tables. I worked only on Friday through Saturday, for about 5 hours a night. I made $5.25 an hour. It was my first job, and when payday rolled around, I felt like a "baller" so to speak. My checks were only about 125 to 150 bucks for two weeks worth of work, but I was ecstatic that I could buy my own crap. So excited, in fact, that I started window shopping and planning on spending my money before I'd even earned it yet. As any wise person would tell you, it's not wise to count your chickens before they hatch. You don't know what the future holds, and never buy something you can't afford. After the jump, I'm going to try and explain what we, as Broncos fans, should be excited about, but don't count your chickens before they hatch. Please, follow me!

Star-divide

 

Alright, first thing's first, if you know me, you know I'm an optimist. I try to find the good in everything. My glass isn't half full, it's two-thirds full and filled with the sweetest stuff there is. That's how I roll. This post may seem a little bit negative in a way, but it's not. I'm trying to approach the 2010 season as level headed as possible, while still remaining hopeful. Call it growing pains, but I don't want to feel let down again, considering our start last year vs. the finish. This is just a list of points that I am extremely hopeful for, especially after seeing 2 preseason games so far. There's some questions in there too, kind of rhetorical, but please answer them if you find it necessary!

 

1. Is "Kyle Orton to Jabar Gaffney" the new "Tom Brady to Randy Moss?"

This one's hard for me to say, but my early analysis is "yes." All weaknesses considered, TB+RM has been keeping Patriots fans coming back for more and more. I live in New England, I work with Patriots fans. They love seeing Wes Welker do what he does, but they see him almost like a Robin figure in a story of two Batmen. Kyle Orton and Jabar Gaffney are developing a chemistry that could make Orton's dependency on Brandon Marshall look like child's play. I feel like Gaffney is more than Orton's "first choice" on the field. That's what Marshall was last year. I think Orton sees Gaff out there, even in double coverage, and knows that if he throws to him, he'll get the ball 90% of the time. That's special and I look for both of them to have monster years for it. A new deal for Gaff could be coming up in 2011, and it'll be much deserved.

2. Who needs one solid slot receiver when you can have two?

There, I said it. I think Josh McDaniels is going to work something new into his repertoire this year. I think we could see a lot of formations that involve two slot receivers and one wideout as opposed to two wideouts and one slot. It's not a new formation, but Denver finally has the personnel for it. Last night we saw the first bit of Eric Decker, and I am loving what I see. He is wearing 87 with pride and giving that number the justice it deserves. 

3. Jarvis Moss and Robert Ayers will help alleviate the stress of not having Dumervil out there.

I'm not one to just forget 3 years of poor play because one good game, but Jarvis Moss was playing like a man on a mission last night. Add that to the fact that everyone has been raving about him this offseason and I love what I'm seeing from him. His potential has always been sky high. If he and Ayers can keep up that smash mouth mentality, losing Dumervil may not be that difficult to deal with. Now imagine for a second that Moss plays like the animal he can be. What if he goes to the Pro Bowl this year? I think that makes Denver a nice bit of offseason trade bait, I'd reckon. 

4. Alphonso Smith is not a bust. Not yet anyways.

There's way too much talk in the Denver media (and a lot on MHR) about Alphonso Smith being a bust. A year and a half into his career, and people are saying he can't ever live up to expectations. People say it's because of where he was drafted. They say it's because of what Denver gave up to get him. A big part of me believes people are still using McD's first draft against him. They saw a trade that they wouldn't have made, and automatically assume that he's a fool for it. I am not in that mindset. I think Smith offers terrific skills to this football team. He hasn't had the warmest of welcomes to Denver, but it's not as if he chose to be drafted with a traded first round pick. Stop blaming him for what his superiors did to draft him. He was high up on a lot of peoples draft boards, from what I understand, and if Denver didn't take him when they did, I believe he would have been taken within 10 picks anyways. We'll never know, because teams never share their draft boards and the boards change on draft day anyways, but to label this guy a bust already is absurd. Will he replace Champ? No, I don't think so. I think Perrish Cox was drafted to do that. I think Phonz will eventually replace Goody at the number 2 spot. If he earns the number 1 corner job in a couple years, then that's great. I played corner in high school, and what I was told by my coaches is that you always want your number 1 corner to be the most solid all around, and you want the number 2 to be the ballhawk who takes more risks. Safeties cover the number 2 more than the number 1 for that reason. Then again, it was high school, and not the pros. Nonetheless, that's what I feel Phonz is destined for with this team. His college career reflects that as well.

5. Marquez Branson is going to be a stud.

This guy has gone so far under the radar, you might as well call him the B2 Stealth Bomber. Last night was a great example of why McX got him in the first place. He's got blocking skills (not as good as Graham, but still good) and he knows how to makes plays (better than Scheffler, in my opinion). He offers a solid combination of the two things you need a tight end to do. A good all around tight end is something Denver hasn't had since Shannon Sharpe, in my opinion. I hope Branson can keep doing what he's doing because it's working. I want to see more of what Richard Quinn can do, but that's another argument.

6. Lance Ball and Justin Fargas, meet the Denver Broncos fans -- Broncos fans, meet your insurance policy.

The running game (or lack thereof) has been alarming to me thus far. I think it's a combination of 1) McD trying to fine tune the passing game early and 2) Not using your last set of good running legs in the preseason, for injury purposes. My honest opinion on the matter is that Lendale White could very well go the way of the dodo by week 1, especially considering that he's already injured, and that's giving the coaches a good look at Ball and Fargas. I think those two will take up the other two spots in the run game. If the team carries five, then maybe White makes the team. As of right now, I'd be totally content with Moreno, Buck, Ball and Fargas being the horses in the stable for the season, so to speak. They offer depth at a position that seems to be Denver's weakness in recent years. I love that security especially since Buck has a history of injury and Moreno might just be the same way.

7. No pressure? No problem.

Preseason is for one thing and one thing only: evaluation. I'm no professional coach, but I'm willing to bet that the coaching staff has seen enough from the defensive blitz packages to be perfectly happy hiding them till the season starts. All reports from camp point to Wink staying true to his mantra: Attack and attack some more. I'm assuming that they have the attack part of the defense pretty covered, now it's just a matter of getting the defense to fine tune the coverage parts of their game as well. We've seen almost every defensive play play out like this: Rush 3 + 1 LB, send 3 LB's into coverage. Judging on last years mistakes, this team needs to be better in short to medium coverage, especially in the middle of the field. I think they are working hard on making those mistakes NOW so they can be learned from NOW, not in week 6 or 7 when you need to have that stuff mastered already. Our defense on week 1 should be drastically different than the defense now. I'm no pro coach, but that's what I would do if I were.

8. Brady Quinn makes a lot of mistakes, but he's better for it every day.

Last week, BQ looked like a domesticated fish dropped back into the ocean. This week, he looked a lot the same, but he seemed like he had his sea legs a bit more than he did last week. BQ is going to screw up. That's something we should all recognize, understand and accept right now. He's not going to be a seamless replacement to Orton if Orton goes down. He's simply not, because if he were that solid, there would be much more competition in camp. Yes, KO has more experience in this specific system, but that does not make Quinn worthless. If Quinn does have to step in to a live bullet game, I'd rather he not get jittery because he didn't have a chance to learn in the preseason. He's gonna make mistakes. I want him to make them now, and save everyone the potential headache if he does have to start a game or two.

9. Perrish Cox is the bona fide return man for the Broncos. If he's not, he should be.

Sometimes, you see something special and you just know. There are times where you see a really awesome play from one guy, and you just KNOW he's going to do good things. Last night, I saw that with Cox returning kicks. He was simply the fastest guy on the field when fielding kicks. Watching the game, Reggie Rivers showed how Cox can just cut the defenders angles out before they have a chance to adjust, all with his speed alone. Cox has a natural eye for that stuff, and I can't wait to see what he does this year for our team. He could very easily set the offense up on a short field the majority of the time. Last night he turned a 10-15 yard return into a 65 yard return, it was very Darren Sproles-esque to me. I would say Cribbs, but Cribbs does what Devin Hester does, he jukes and makes grown men look like fools. Sproles and Cox just blaze through the coverage and make you taste dust when they fly by you. This guy is special and for the price, I'm hard pressed to say he's a lock to make the team on ST talents alone.

10. Kyle Orton is the most important player on the Broncos roster. No doubt about it. He is the "franchise", whatever that means.

This one's pretty bold, but hear me out. Seeing what we've seen the past two weeks, I have no doubt in my mind that Kyle Orton is the one reason why the Broncos will contend THIS YEAR. He's got the rep with his receivers and he knows what he's doing out there. HE MOVES AROUND IN THE POCKET!!! That's a necessity considering the O line woes. He's mobile, but not like Tim Tebow. He's confident in the pocket even when it's collapsing. I can't say it enough, Kyle Orton will be the single biggest reason why the Broncos will shock teams. Combine his newfound skills with the schedule (which is pretty weak, if you haven't looked) and this team could very well be looking at 10-12 wins, no problem. Don't count your chickens before they hatch, but I am absolutely in awe with what Orton's done so far. Apparently, so is the coaching staff because he's here for another 2 years at least. Orton, you're my guy, no if's, and's or but's about it. Updated projected stat line: 31 TD's, 8 INT's, 4,400 YDS. MVP contention, but it'll probably be Manning, again.

 

 

 

So that's it. Take it and grind it up and spit it out if you want. Or, have a taste and tell me if you're feeling as good about this team as I am. 2010 could be really special, but again, don't count your chickens before they hatch.

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THIS IS A SERIOUS CONCERN
Judging on last years mistakes, this team needs to be better in short to medium coverage, especially in the middle of the field

The defensive coverage is too deep – allowing simple pass and catch routes of 5 to 8 yards that turn into ten yards and a first down more often then not. And the soon to be revealed defense of attack, attack, attack will not take this away – But will only magnify this weakness.

TIME TO BELIEVE. BRONCO Champions are being forged as we speak

by Broncobh on Aug 22, 2010 5:07 PM MDT reply actions  

I see your point, but check this out...

Last night, we constantly saw the Lions dinking and dunking on the defense. I mean, that’s basically all they did, yet when they got in the red zone, the defense stiffened. I’d rather see the defense give up 500 yards and 1 TD than 250 yards and 5 TD’s.

Comparing Michael Lombardi to Bill Williamson is like comparing an In-N-Out Cheeseburger to a sh## sandwich.

Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.

by Joe Medina on Aug 22, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope those aren't are only 2 choices :)

…but my biggest problem with this bend-but-don’t-break style of defense is that it keeps our offense off the field and also wears down our defense. It drives me crazy to see how much the opposition controls the time of possession.

"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!

by bonaire on Aug 23, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Almost No Press

Agreed, I saw way too much cushion most of the time, usually 5-7 yards. You can get away with that if your name is Champ, but he didn’t play.

Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA

by Rzeppa on Aug 23, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry to be picky, but Branson was not drafted, he was a CFA.

Otherwise I agree. I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do. Ditto for Decker.

by Timimus on Aug 22, 2010 5:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice article - thank you!

Timimus beat me to it on Branson – he was taken on UDFA and place on the PS. He impressed them enough to work his way into a chance. sort of like a 248 lb Rod Smith, in that way. Let’s hope he plays nearly as well. Moss?

What if he goes to the Pro Bowl this year? I think that makes Denver a nice bit of offseason trade bait, I’d reckon

Assuming that you’re talking about Moss, why toss away a Pro Bowler, even in trade? Having 3 guys out there who are very hard to stop would be great. I recognize that you can only play two on any given play, but which two?

On Ayers – with the spin move that beat a double team when he was moved to NT for a play, he has those moves. Perhaps he’s influenced by Doom, who started with a bull rush and developed, Perhaps he’s just taking it some aggressions out on people in training camp/preseason. He’s developing fast.

Gnothi Seauton

by Doc Bear on Aug 22, 2010 5:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Ugh

I wish I had seen these games! I’d love to actually witness some of these moves — I’m really pulling for Ayers this year. Too bad I have stupid Brighthouse (aka Baby Time Warner) and can’t get NFL network. I might see about just buying the preseason package from NFL and watching it online. At least I’d get to see two games. :)

by BroncosBassist on Aug 23, 2010 6:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why only two?

There are obvious passing downs in which it wouldn’t be remiss to have all three on the field. As for Ayers (so far) depending primarily on his bull rush, in a response to one of the comments on his Cottage Review: Preseason week 2 DW76 wrote that “[Ayers] will always rely on the bull rush though because it is very powerful for him and it allows him to not commit one way or the other (which gets you in trouble against the run game),” an interesting point I wasn’t aware of. And he agreed when I wondered if, “as Ayers gains experience and is able to more quickly read run or pass…he’ll be less reluctant to supplement his bull rush with moves to get past rather than go through the blocker?” I, too, like the way he’s developing.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Aug 24, 2010 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

great stuff

Also Lendale White is suspended the first 4 games, so isn’t he sort of an insurance policy for week 5 if we keep him? Does he still count as a roster member under suspension?

Tip: Orton jerseys soon to increase in value, buy now!

by azdenfan on Aug 22, 2010 5:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I think we get a roster exemption to carry an extra player when one of ours is under suspension.

CHARACTER, INTELLIGENCE, and HARD WORK often beats TALENT but what happens when you load up on all 4???????????

by Broncofan on Aug 22, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Suspended players do not count on the 53 man roster.

Once his suspension is up, he either gets waived or joins the team and they cut someone.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Aug 22, 2010 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks for the info

Tip: Orton jerseys soon to increase in value, buy now!

by azdenfan on Aug 23, 2010 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

You bet

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Aug 23, 2010 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good Post Joe!

I’m also excited about the possibilities for the Orton to Thomas future combo in our offense. Thomas gives Kyle a big target down inside the 20. Wasn’t too impressed with Lloyd last night on a coupke of the deep routes he ran.

by rocko1 on Aug 22, 2010 6:17 PM MDT reply actions  

If Jarvis Moss makes the Pro Bowl this season, that will be the story of Denver’s season. He was awesome on several plays last night. Detroit’s backups had NO shot at blocking him. He needs 1st team reps ASAP.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 22, 2010 6:36 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree McG

He had some amazing moves on those guys!

Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Jabar Gaffney, Eddie Royal, Matthew Willis..Brandon who?

by stedtfeld on Aug 22, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was getting them after Doom went down

He just came back to practice on Thursday or Friday, so he had to practice with the 2’s. That is understandable after being gone a week or so. Don’t worry, the coaches have seen it too.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Aug 22, 2010 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd really like to see

Ayers and Moss both starting against Pittsburgh, and some heavy blitzes called. I’d like to see how well they can do together… They are both showing flashes individually, so I’d like to see if they could be a real force together going against a 1st team offense.

by scooter17 on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Aug 22, 2010 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jarvis Green has some nice moments last night. The refs missed a very obvious hold he drew and he got some nice pressure on a few other plays.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 22, 2010 6:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Are you feeling OK McG?

First we have yesterday’s green shoots post and now two positive comments in a row!
One of us must be getting sick. I am starting to agree with you more and more.
Good observations.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Aug 23, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think I can agree with all 10 points Joe

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Aug 22, 2010 8:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Good stuff Joe, rec'd!

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by Tim Lynch on Aug 22, 2010 8:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice post! Thoughts on each one... Warning: it's long

1. I’m going to disagree on this. Well by disagree, I mean I think you’re going a bit overboard over a couple preseason games. Gaffney has always been a dependable, gutsy receiver, but never an all-out star. That’s fine, because we’re not paying him to be a star, we’re paying him to be a dependable, gutsy receiver and we will get just that this year. Comparing him to Randy Moss though… I think that’s a bit much. Actually in terms of gamebreaking ability, comparing him to Brandon Marshall is a bit much. In short, I probably 70% disagree with you on this…

2. Completely agree. 4 and 5 WR sets might actually be pretty common this year, which would be tons of fun. Love Eric Decker already…

3. I think what you are saying is slightly premature, but I feel the same way so I’m fine with the statement. Don’t expect a Pro Bowl year from either of them though. I mean if it happens, great! I’d put the odds of that happening at about 15% though.

4. I agree that he’s not a bust yet… But it’s hard to argue that he’s adapting very slowly. Cox already appears to be ahead of him, and Cox is a 5th round rookie and Phonz is an early 2nd rounder with a year under his belt. He’s not a bust yet, but if he’s no better a year from now, then yes he falls into bust category most likely.

5. I think he will be a steal, but “stud” is probably going too far. Ideally, he’ll be a slightly better version of Daniel Graham. I’m not sure what you mean by he knows how to make plays better than Scheffler. I don’t know how you can say that..? By “make plays” I’m assuming you’re talking about the passing game, and we have TONS of footage of Scheffler making big plays in the open field and Branson has made, what, 5 catches ever? We don’t have enough info to make that kind of statement yet. All that said, yes, I think he was a steal and he’ll turn out alright.

6. I think the running game has taken a back seat thus far in the preseason because McDaniels has wanted to see what he has as at the QB situation right now. I’ve been glad to see McDaniels bringing in several RB’s, only for the purpose of increasing competition. I’m fine with whatever rotation of 4-5 backs make the cut, because I trust the coaches to pick the best out of that crew. Overall, I’m happy, so long as we get Moreno and Buck back soon ;).

7. 100% agree. People were freaking out in the game thread over our lack of pressure, but our defense was extremely vanilla and I believe that was very much intentional. Don’t forget, Wink is a brand new defensive coordinator. People have no film on his style of blitzes. I believe that’s an advantage we’d like to maintain going into the first few weeks, especially since we’ll need every advantage we can get since a few injuries will likely be lingering.

8. Eh. I agree, but I also think Quinn has no future here. This is Orton’s team now, and it will eventually (I don’t care when) be Tebow’s team. Let’s be real, if Orton goes down with a season ending injury in Week 2, we are likely screwed. I think we all agree right?

9. I agree. I think he’s great back there, so long as the fumble thing doesn’t happen again. Once and it’s a rookie mistake. Twice and it’ll land him in the doghouse next to Peyton Hillis. Oh wait, Hillis is gone now. ;)

10. 100% agree – see my response to #8. Okay I think MVP contention is going slightly overboard, but I agree that he’s the team MVP.

by scooter17 on Aug 22, 2010 11:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Largely agree

But a few thought, if you offensive line doesn’t step up, I struggle to see us using four or five receivers, because Orton will need that extra blocker, either at FB or TE. Secondly, actually, I just thought myself out of any further statements, carry on.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Aug 23, 2010 1:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

1. Too soon to tell. God I hope so.
2. Decker strikes me as the replacement to Marshall and not as much as a slot guy. He has great size and can be an amazing possession receiver for us down the line.
3. Jarvis Moss is going to break someone else’s damn hand with his cast. By the end of the season we might nick name him Clubby.
4. I like Phonz, but I think us fans lose sight of the mental aspect of this game. It is especially hard to come out and be a superstar when everyone expects you to and morale has more to do with football than any of us expect. It might be a wacky theory but I think Phonz has low self esteem and McGeorge has single handedly gotten into Zo’s head and now all Zo can think about when he should be catching picks is how hurtful McGeorge is when he says “we wasted a #1 pick on an undersized corner back.” That explains the crazy special teams penalty.
5. Probably.
6. I liked Ball before, but I like Hall now. I’ve never liked Fargas.
7. No pressure? Big problem. It’s a QB oriented league now and you give most of them enough time and they’ll burn you. Especially if you’re blitzing and your DBs are running man coverage. I think we’ll generate enough of a pass rush, though.
8. Brady Quinn cries in the corner with Alphonso Smith after games. This has caused him to be a bit of a pariah in the locker room and nobody wants to hang around him anymore. The result of this, though, is more time for BQ to learn the playbook and work on his pecks.
9. There’s going to be a lot of Broncos fan who learn to love Cox this year. Wait! That’s not what I meant!
10. KO has 30 TDs this year or I’ll eat a figurative hat made of crow.

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Aug 23, 2010 6:19 AM MDT reply actions  

Wasn’t that the weirdest penalty? What was Phonz doing on that play?

I hope McD sits down with him this week and talks about nothing but mental preparation. I don’t think I’m wrong when I say Phonz is behind Cox and Jones for the nickel and dime spots. I think he needs to put together a complete game without these mental lapses if he wants McD to trust him with a role in the regular season. I believe the next two games will be huge for him.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 23, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

My problem with Phonz is that he seems to have all the tools but something is amiss. Hell, if you look at his college reel you’d expect him to be an average player at least.

He seems like a bright guy from the interviews I’ve seen, but its almost like he’s ADD (I’m serious). Maybe a little Adderall would do wonders for him because it does wonders for me.

Seriously.

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Aug 23, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lets not get a head of ourselves

Detroit has no depth whatsoever. Their starters looked good but everyone from the GM, coach to the players know that Detroit isnt a deep team. Detriots 2nd’s wouldnt make a lot of teams in this league.

I’ll withhold judgement on the backups until Denver plays a deeper team(such as Pittsburg) this week.

You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

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by johnnystarr on Aug 23, 2010 7:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Our "backups" are doig remarkably well

with 16 players out of the game and 10 of them starters, we are already playing backups wth the first unit extensively. And they are delivering.

The people we are putting in against the other teams second string is made up of largely our 3rd string players.

The 6 non-starters who are injured are all people who will be on the 53 man roster, with the possible exception of White. So not only ar wel looking good with our first unit to play, but those 10 men who are replacing s tarters are looking good and getting good experience that will serve our bench well.

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Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent take, Alan

Thanks. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I need to read a positive spin once in a while. My natural tendency is toward pessimism. I rec’d your post.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 23, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good read

A couple of my thoughts;

Gaffney seems to be the new #1 receiver, a.k.a. Marshall’s “replacement”. (regardless of the depth chart) Though I would love to see Lloyd tear it up this season too. As long as one of the two (or both) have a glorious season, I see the rest of the team following suit.

Ayers + Moss = 17 + sacks this season. (<— Then Elvis will come back in week 13 and get 2 sacks a game average, to end the season with ten)

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 23, 2010 7:24 AM MDT reply actions  

observations

1. Gaffney strikes me more as a number 3 receiver behind Thomas and Decker, unless Eddie Royal can get on track. Few Quarterbacks and receivers can be compared to Brady and Moss, Orton and Gafney are not in that class.

2. If Jarvis Moss makes the Probowl that would be outstanding, but if it that happens why would Moss become “trade bait”, we would pair him with Dumervil next season. Trading a Probowl linebacker would be counterproductive.

3. Alphonso Smith seems to already be behind Perrish Cox, but if he can keep developing then he will be fine. However, if he falls behind Nate Jones or another DB, then he drifts into bust territory. For a guy we gave up a first round pick for, his development has been slow.

4. Lack of a running game so far in the preseason has been pretty alarming. Hopefully, we can get healthy and have the offensive line run block better. We won’t survive long in the season as a pass first team, we need a balanced offense.

5. Brady Quinn should have a tattoo that says “Emergency Quarterback”. I liked him at Notre Dame, but he looks pretty bad so far. I think Tebow should already be the Number 2. However, Quinn only makes 700,000 dollars a year for the next 2 seasons…a bargain for a back up quarterback. We paid Chris Simms over 3 million dollars last year and he was awful.

Go Broncos!

by atwaterassassin27 on Aug 23, 2010 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

My observations of your observations...

1) Agree that Orton and Gaffney are not at the level of Brady and Moss, but close to the level of Orton and Marshall. Then you add in a better cast of wideouts next ot him and we are going to be better then last year.

2) Agree that if Moss has a Pro Bowl year we don’t trade him, we use him. We could always use a 3 man outside linbacker rotation. Keeping everybody fresh. Or we could move Ayers to DE and he can bull rush all day long.

3) Smith IMO has last out on even being the nickle. IMO we have Champ, Goodman, Cox, Jones(because of his versitility), and then Smith. He needs to have a awesome week against Pitt to be on the field at all this year. Plus he is no longer taking return snaps, so he has only 1 job, play CB.

4) Lack of running game can be from 3 aspects: 1) McD wants to get all the kinks worked out of the passing game or 2) We don’t any RB’s that are going to be on the team come the regular season or 3) Our OL is to injuried with Clady and Kuper out.

5) Quinn is 3rd string from now until the end of time. I was on board with bringing in this kid, but he has done nothing good so far. Even in his last drive down the field, I was wishing it was Tebow…not Quinn. Tebow would have found a way to get a touchdown. Quinn finds ways to turn it over. Sorry, if this upsets some Quinn lovers, but he looks more lost then Simms did last year. No way do I want to reli on him if Orton goes down. Tebow will be the #2 for the year and Quinn will be inactive for all 16 games unless something happens to Orton or Tebow.

I was going to say this before the game against Detriot, but never had a chance. With Tebow being out it was Quinns time to shinn, and he didn’t by the way. If he had a good game, like 150 yards and a couple of touchdowns(kinda like Orton did), everybody would have wonder what could have Tebow done against Detroit. If he had a game like he did, we would be saying 3rd string.

by Bron#1 Fan on Aug 23, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I’m on record, but as a fan of an SEC team other than UF, I was hugely against the Tebow draft pick. But — I’m very much in agreement on the part about Quinn’s last drive. I’d love to have seen just what Tim would have gotten accomplished under those same circumstances. Look what he did against Cincinnati. Not that I condone our QB taking on safeties and linebackers like that, but the dude just finds a way to get it done. We might all be sitting around marveling at yet another good-looking 2-minute drill from our offense.

Then again, maybe not. I’m looking forward to seeing just what he can get done next week (if he plays). If he’s the QB of the future, then I want to see what he can do now under these situations.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 23, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

What other school...

is it because Tebow always beat you? lol!!!

by Bron#1 Fan on Aug 23, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on Quinn

I admit I haven’t watched him play much, but I remember when he played well against us on a Thursday night or Monday night game a couple of years back. Pretty sure it was his first start. So I thought picking him up wasn’t too bad of an idea. Now he kind of scares me after the limited plays I have seen, and the plays I have heard described.
   I mean at least Simms played pretty decent last preseason to give us some confidence going into the season. People were even calling for Simms to start after the preseason. I guess all I can say is I hope we can keep Orton healthy.

by BigskyBronco on Aug 23, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

with keeping Orton healthy. If he goes down, it could be worse then Doom going down.

Maybe Quinn will be better with the first string, if Orton goes down.

by Bron#1 Fan on Aug 24, 2010 5:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Alphonso Smith

I really don’t get all the positive press and support he continues to get. Yes, he made a few plays that I would say a pro should make the vast majority of the time they’re on the field. He even made a great play in batting away that one pass this last game.

Unfortunately, he continues to miss a lot of those plays that a pro needs to make, and I’m not seeing improvement. Whether it’s his horribly missed tackle on that end around, his jaw-dropping penalty on special teams, or any of his other mistakes, I just don’t see it. His flashes seem few and far between, and his mistake rate is very high.

All this ignores his draft story, which he can’t help, but still points to him being at least a disappointment thus far. Wasn’t so much more expected from him already, both on here and in Dove Valley? Can we finally agree that the trade up was a bad idea?

by thedoctor on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM MDT reply actions  

I have to agree with this. I want him to succeed as much as the next guy but I just don't see much improvement

or reason to be super optimistic about him. I would say he is definitely behind Cox and Jones and could be battling Carter. I think his high draft place and expectation for potential is the only thing keeping him around.

by BroncoMath101 on Aug 23, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

My opinions. (as insignificant as they may be)

First let me say that I love the optimism and I really wish I was as optimistic right now but in all honesty I don’t think we are playing it safe in the preseason or holding back. I think we have legitimate and potentially serious concerns heading into the season.

1. Orton to Gaff is great and fun to watch and they will be productive together but not in same class as Brady/Moss. Gaff is a great dependable WR but doesn’t have the elite speed or deep threat ability that Moss has (IMO).

2. 2 Slots would be awesome. I would love to see Decker and Royal pick apart the middle of the field all day. I look and hope for great things from both.

3. Not convinced on Jarvis just yet. I think Ayers will contribute greatly and is much stronger than Moss but if our line can’t cause some double teams (which I didn’t see much of against Detroit) then neither will be doing much sacking. Jarvis needs to have a game like Detroit against a 1st team offense like the Steelers. If he can reproduce then I’ll start to believe. I think he is a great underdog story but I’m not a believer (yet).

4. Zo is not a bust yet but he also isn’t a starting caliber corner nor do I think he will be if he continues being timid and lacks confidence. I see a player who doesn’t play with much confidence and I don’t see that changing. The coaches must see the same thing if he is still battling for a nickel spot. His rookie season could be compared to Jenkins from the Cowboys but Jenkins came out and proved he belonged. I don’t see Zo doing that but I would love it if he did.

5. I have high hopes for Branson but he doesn’t look very fast. I hope I am wrong and he can give our passing game another dimension. Tony wasn’t great in my eyes but I think he is better than Branson in the passing game. I hope again I am wrong and I do think Branson will get us around 400 yds and 5 TDs which would be great in my mind.

6. I don’t think Ball or Fargas are a great insurance policy and neither one has impressed me so far. Granted, O-line play can be to blame as well.

7. No pressure no problem? No agree. I refuse to think that Wink is playing his defense vanilla. Why would you play a vanilla defense when you aren’t sure how your defense will execute yet? You need to see how they execute and right now I haven’t seen much to be pleased about. Now, I have all the faith in the world in Wink but I don’t think our lack of pass rush is something to write off because people think Wink is holding back his bread and butter. True the regular season is what counts and this means nothing but I think it is an indicator that we aren’t getting enough strength up front and we are not containing very well in the run game and we are giving the QB way too much time. It almost looked to my untrained eyes that there was not much explosion off the ball. It seemed our guys were stutter stepping before even making contact thus giving the opposition time to get set up. I am willing to believe that I am very wrong in this perception but it is something I will be watching for more this week. (sorry that was a long one)

8. Brady Quinn will get better everyday but I firmly believe he will be our #3 QB by the seasons end.

9. Definitely agree. I want to get Royal out of that duty so he can have all of his energy tearing up the slot.

10. 100% agree. If he makes your stat line he will def. be considered MVP. Not sure if that will happen if we don’t get our run game going but the way he is leading and playing I can see it happening.

GO Broncos!

by BroncoMath101 on Aug 23, 2010 1:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Good post

Joe and I agree with most of your points except Alphonso Smith. I just can’t be as optimistic about him as you and I think McD will admit his mistake on draft day last year and cut him in the next 2 weeks or give him 1 more full season and if he isn’t any better cut him in the pre-season next year. I hope you are right and Smith comes around but the offside penalty and dropped interception against the Lions are just bad plays that a high 2nd round pick that McD gave a nice 1st round pick for shouldn’t make. I still say if McD feels he has too many defensive backs that are ahead of Smith on the depth chart after the final preseason game he will cut him instead of giving him 1 more year to prove himself but I am pulling for Smith to turn it around but I don’t think he will.

by broncorob on Aug 23, 2010 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks to everyone for the responses!!

Comparing Michael Lombardi to Bill Williamson is like comparing an In-N-Out Cheeseburger to a sh## sandwich.

Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.

by Joe Medina on Aug 23, 2010 6:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Fun post Joe. Thanks

It’s posts like this that keep me coming back to the MHR.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

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