18 Regular Season Games? Say It Ain't So
Yesterday, the 18 game schedule was being talked about, once again. It seems to happen about this time, every year, but this time there seems to be a lot more momentum behind it than in years past. Quite a few MSM pundits, team owners and even the commissioner want the NFL to move to an 18 game regular season schedule, at this point.
This isn't the first that we've heard about additional regular season games this summer, though. Here is a quote from the SI article on July 31st:
Next year a work stoppage might affect camps. Then by 2012 the league's owners hope for an 18-game regular season, which would throw off the traditional football math of late summer: two weeks of camp before the first exhibition, six before the opener.
While I love football and abide by the "some is good, more is great" mentality, I am not jumping for joy about this proposal for an 18 game regular season. You probably think I'm talking out both sides of my mouth, however, I believe that the NFL schedule is fine the way it is and should keep the current format. I will tell you why after the jump.
First of all, the 18 game regular season proposal means that there would be 20 total games (not including playoffs) with 2 preseason games and 18 regular season games. Now, as mouth watering as that sounds, just think about it for a minute. There are tons of details, very large details in fact, being left out of that scenario.
NFLPA's Point of View
The labor negotiation between the NFLPA (NFL Players' Association) and the NFL is the biggest hurdle, in my opinion. On one side, you have the NFLPA, who are already upset because the retired NFL players aren't getting the medical coverage that they desire. On the other hand, the NFL (or Roger Goodell, at least) appears to be, for the most part, happy with the economics of the league while looking towards getting as much football to the fans as they can (hence the 18 game proposal). The more football they give to the fans, the more money comes back to them. The NFL is, after all, a business.
Now that we've established a very basic understanding of what the two sides want, consider the following question:
Do you really think that the NFLPA (NFL Players Association) is in a position where they want to put an additional 2 competitive games into the football schedule without additional money or benefits going to the players? Not a chance. Since the NFLPA is still upset - Kevin Mawae's interview on Mike and Mike about a month ago certainly indicated that they were - about retired players not getting the help they need from the NFL, I find it quite difficult to believe that they would allow the NFL to add a couple games to the schedule and not dish our more money or benefits for the players, first.
Yes, an 18 game schedule makes a ton of sense for the NFL. This league generates millions of dollars and having 2 additional weeks of coverage can only increase the profit of the NFL, not to mention 2 fewer weeks of being absolutely bored during the offseason. With that said, the NFLPA won't go for it without some greenbacks.
Going from 20 guaranteed games for every NFL team to 22 guaranteed games will cause yet another difference of opinion to be worked out between the NFLPA and NFL. At this point, we can't afford any set backs. With the current negotiations yet to be completed, I'm afraid that an added topic of debate would lead to more delay in the 2011 labor dispute. It is probably a better idea, at this point, to solve a small problem to get some negotiation momentum going and then tackle larger problems at a later date. An 18 game regular season is not a "small" problem.
Kirk Davis said in his recent article "The Reality of an 18 Game Season (and More Denver Broncos Football)" that we should
Expect a compromise on off-season work as labor talks progress. Given the likelihood of an enhanced season, the league calendar will need to change to compensate and allow more time for rest and recovery. The Commissioner previously talked about curtailing the amount and intensity of organized team activities and off-season work.
If that happens, then the NFLPA is more likely to give this idea the okay, but they are still going to want more money for their current players and retired players. They are, after all, going to be playing 2 more competitive games than they normally would. We all know that regular season games are different than OTAs. You can't convince me, or the NFLPA for that matter, that taking off a few weeks of offseason activities will make up for additional beatings in the regular season. You could make an argument from the other side, but is the NFLPA really going to see eye to eye with you on that? The regular season is a weekly battle. As weeks 12 and 14 and 16 roll around, the bodies of these NFL players are already pretty banged up. If an 18 game schedule is brought up before the NFLPA, could the NFLPA ask the NFL to consider an increase in roster sizes? There's yet another wrench to throw into the negotiations. See what I'm getting at?
The more issues are proposed, the more time it will take for everyone to agree, be happy, hold hands and sing campfire songs.
Regardless of what happens with the 18 game season proposal, I just want a deal to get done. If the 18 game schedule is on the agenda and they feel that it all can get done on time, that's fine, but I want something. At this point, I'd rather have 16 quality regular season games in 2011 than I would 0 regular season games in 2011. Get that negotiation done first and then we can talk about an 18 game schedule.
No more meaningless games?
So, the idea being proposed is to convert 2 preseason games into regular season games. 20 NFL games would still be on the docket (like in years past), but the preseason would just be shortened. Not only does it quench the fan's appetite for more regular season games, it also eliminates a few "meaningless" games and eliminates opportunities for a preseason injury to certain players.
Right?
In a way, yes. However, there are a couple of problems that I see with that. First of all, we are changing from a system where there are 4 sort of meaningless games to a situation where we have 2 games where the coaches don't have enough live-action games to give players a chance to improve in preseason. The 2 preseason games can be played in two different ways, neither of which is ideal (I'll get to those in a moment). In both the past preseasons and the proposed 2 game preseason, you do not need to pay attention to the scoreboard. However, the teams would have 2 fewer games to gel and get real NFL competition. By the same token, you would also have less time to evaluate your bubble players and evaluate your roster depth in real live-action simulations.
With the lack of time in the preseason, you will have coaches do one of two things. They could play their starters more frequently so that the team can gel or they can play their backups more frequently so they can formulate a more accurate depth chart.
Playing the Starters
If you remember back to last season, Kyle Orton had an absolutely horrendous opening to the preseason. In fact, the word "horrendous" probably isn't a strong enough adjective to describe his opening to the preseason. If anybody could use a 4 game preseason to straighten things out, it was the 2010 Denver Broncos. Kyle Orton threw 3 interceptions in week 1 of the preseason but his interception numbers decreased throughout the preseason and allowed the Broncos to win their first 6 regular season games.
If the preseason is shortened to 2 games, the Broncos would likely be sitting on an 0-2 start at the beginning of the season. We just weren't clicking, at all.
With that said, are we (as fans) really going to be satisfied with 2 extra weeks of "regular season" football, despite the fact that the playbooks will be more vanilla than with a 4 game preseason. Under the proposed schedule, teams will have 2 fewer weeks to install their schemes and 2 fewer weeks to watch and analyze game film before the real games start. Week 1 will be similar to preseason week 3. In the 2010 preseason, it is week 3 of the preseason right now and we have yet to see a creative zone blitz from the Denver defense. We have rushed 4 on pretty much every down. Going into next week, do you expect a complex blitz scheme that looks similar to a regular season scheme? I don't.
I know... I know... but KB, if the teams know that they are starting 2 weeks earlier, wouldn't they start installing their schemes earlier?
Great question, schizophrenic self. Going back to the idea mentioned earlier, the NFL wants to shorten it's offseason program so that it will mitigate the chances for injury. Unfortunately, your offensive and defensive schemes are already lacking 2 weeks of practice and 2 weeks of game film that it would have gotten under the current format and that's before you take out more weeks of OTAs. And now the problem comes full circle. You can't extend the regular season schedule without shortening the offseason practices. If you do that, you can't install a complex offense/defense in time for the start of the season unless you start your starters on just about every snap of the preseason to get in some quality work. If you do that, you are increasing chance of injury while simultaneously taking away reps from your bubble players and rookies. If you do that, you eliminate chances for lower draft picks to get a shot at achieving their NFL dreams. One of the best Broncos of all time comes to mind.
The Terrell Davis Conundrum
Assuming for a second that we are creating an 18 game regular season schedule and there are only 2 season games, let's think about the 1995 Denver Broncos preseason. It is week 2 of the preseason and the Broncos travel to the Tokyo Dome to take on the San Fransisco 49ers. It's the last game of the preseason (because, remember, we only have 2 preseason games in this scenario) and you see a special teams player make an outstanding hit. That had to have been a linebacker, right? Wrong. That was your rookie running back from the 6th round of the 1995 draft. The Broncos go on to win but now that the game is over, you have a real dilemma on your hands. This Davis kid looks like he has some potential but it is hard to justify giving him a roster spot based on one special teams tackle.
He may have some potential, down the road, but numbers are tight and the hypothetical 1995 Broncos have to get the roster down to 53 really soon. Do they cut him at that point or don't they? Is a booming special teams tackle enough to move a runningback up the depth chart?
I'll take hypothetical Mike Shanahan off the hot seat, for a second, and say that having preseason game number 3 and 4 are very important in determining who does and doesn't make an NFL roster. It's all fine and dandy having 30 or 40 training camp practices to help determine the general look that your roster will have. However, when it comes down to a matter of a handful of players competing for one or two roster spots, real games and real situations on the big stage are the best way to figure out who should get that roster spot and who should go home.
Here's another scenario for you. Assume two players are fighting for one roster spot in a 2 week preseason setup. Player X outperforms Player Y in the first preseason game. After a week of film and practice they come back in week X of the preseason and Player Y plays about as well as Player X. Player Y made lots of positive gains after seeing himself on film and correcting some things, but since he still hasn't performed better than Player X in a live-action simulation. At this point in the preseason, despite his improvement, Player Y is likely going to be cut. With only 2 preseason games, you are essentially looking at only one week to give a player game film to analyze, correct, and show improvement on. After that, there is a game and the next day is cut day so that week 1 of the regular season there can be a 53 man roster. That doesn't leave much room for undrafted rookies, bubble players and preseason long shots to make an impact, does it?
My Suggestion
I suggest that the NFL and NFLPA focus on coming to an agreement in the labor negotiations, as is, and keep a 16 game schedule for 2011 with 4 preseason games. You wouldn't have to open a can of worms by discussing different injury concerns or talk about expanding the roster and so on. All that the NFL/NFLPA would have to do is reach an agreement about the current schedule, which they have already dealt with extensively.
I'll take the evil that I know over the evil that I don't know. There are just too many problems with the proposal and not enough acceptable concrete solutions, right now. When more information becomes available and the NFLPA makes a statement about the NFL's 18 game schedule proposal, I may change my mind. For now, I am going to leave you with something I wrote a while back that originally described Corell Buckhalter's value on 1st and 2nd downs, but fits really well with the 18 game schedule proposal.
Everything should be in moderation, even the NFL schedule. It's like drinking an ICEE, in a way. If you have a lot of it all at once, you are going to get a brain freeze. The key is to find an amount that you can consume without getting a stomach ache, consume it at a pace where you don't get a brain freeze, and are left with a feeling of satisfaction (not pain or regret).
In my opinion, if we go with an 18 game schedule, we may have some pain and regret instead of total satisfaction.
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DECEPTION is everything!
I think I figured out Mcd’s main weakness…he talks to much. He talks about scheme, about what players strengths and weakness are. (Ex. “We want to keep Jarvis moving forward”) If our opponents know where are players are going to be they can beat us regardless of effort, athleticism, speed, etc. Deception is 80% of some plays. Last year one 3rd and 1 he ran the dive play between Kuper and Weigman almost every-time. If our opponents know what we are doing they can stack the box or drop in a deep zone. I think McD is very smart but he might like to hear himself talk a bit to much. Can someone please do a in-depth annalist of his play calling from last year…I am positive that there are specific patterns that would give away our play calling. This could be the most important thing that need to be changed!!! MHR please help
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Did you mean to post this elsewhere?
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by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 26, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
No Worries
I was wondering how you take a post like this and start talking about McDaniels playcalling! LOL
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by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 26, 2010 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought maybe he was talking about preseason playcalling.
I did mention a little bit about vanilla schemes at this point, so his comment did fit from that perspective.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Competitive Games
Great Job Kentuckybronco, Rec’d
Goodell has stated going to 18 games would give more competitive games but I am not so sure. Think of the Colts and other teams that have rested starters at the end of the season. In an 18 game schedule they might have things wrapped up by Week 16 and the final few weeks might be played with Curtis Painter. Wonderful! Just who I want to see!
Also, with an increase risk of injury playoffs might not be about the best team about who is the healthies. I understand you could make this argument with a 16 game schedule but the I think the situation will be exacerbated with an 18 game schedule.
Finally sometimes less is more. I watch every week because every week is meaningful. With other sports having 80+ games regular season isn’t as exciting as football.
Don’t mess with a good thing Goodell. The NFL works!
As you can see I am very passionate about this. The other issue is one I"m very passionate and that is providing health care for football veterans as they age.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 26, 2010 4:40 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
PS
Terrell David? He must have been some scrub who never made the team because I don’t remember him. LOL
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by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 26, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
In this example, Terrell David got cut. :)
Spell check doesn’t fix real words, unfortunately. I’ll fix it.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
T.D.
Great Story, Well thought out.
I believe that the roster will have to change to accommodate the extra injuries that are bound to be part of an “enhanced schedule” and most likely that expanded roster would have allowed space to keep TD on the squad.
by BroncoBehindEnemyLines on Aug 26, 2010 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't care.
as long as the CBA stuff gets done and we have football for the next 50 years.
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by Nick Cast on Aug 26, 2010 4:47 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm kinda with you on that.
The starters will play most of Game 3 preseason, as they do most every year, and then few play the 4th pre. So I guess the actual season is 16 3/4 games as it is. Add in the 1/4 or so from the 1st pre, and 2nd pre and they are already playing 17+ games as it is. I think the injury argument against it is therefore way overblown.
Season ticket holders pay the same rate, pre-season or not. I don’t own season tickets, but if I did, I would be in favor of cutting back preseasons and making them regular season.
by John in Castle Rock on Aug 27, 2010 6:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
Converting two pre-season games to regular season games will only degrade the quality of the first two regular season games. And instead of those two games just being played to help finalize final team rosters, they will also help determine which teams make the playoffs. I just don’t see this as a good idea for anyone.
However, if they simply added two games (and a second bye week for each team) to the regular season, while maintaining all four pre-season games, I’d be more likely to support that. Isn’t that what they did when the NFL expanded to the 16-game season? They just added games to the regular season without reducing the number of pre-season games?
by CompUser on Aug 26, 2010 4:50 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm not sure about this
But I think at one time in the NFL they played 6 pre season games. This could have been with a 14 game schedule.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 26, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Back in the day
’60, ’62 and ’62 at least, there were five “exhibition” games, as they called ’em then.
Jim Saccomano wrote a blog about it on DB.com, pretty good read, there was another, recently by him – on Broncos’ firsts and Us and the Steelers, pointing out that this will be the first time We EVER played the Steelers in preseason. And that the Steelers and Us played the first overtime game, ever….. The end result of that one? A Tie!
That just cracked me up when I learned that, the first overtime game ever totally negated the purpose of instituting OT. xD
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 26, 2010 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I rec'd you too, by the way.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
It's going to mean shorter careers
Do you think Elway or Brett Favre or any great player in his thirties can have as long a career as these guys if they get the crap beat out of them for two additional seasons. Seasons will become wars of attrition rather than a guage of the best teams deserving a playoff spot.
And, the offseason stuff would need to increase, not decrease, to give the coaches an opportunity to evaluate talent.
18 game season might pass, but it will change the NFL.
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by margabelle on Aug 26, 2010 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol shorter careers? In games or years?
18 Games means we watch our team play more every year. Every year we don’t win the superbowl, we at least get to enjoy more of what we have.
Plus players will evolve a bit faster!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 26, 2010 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I do think that the league needs more than 2 preseason games. .
But i also would like to see an 18 game schedule. Why not just keep the 4 pre season games and just extend the end of the schedule two more games? I know that creates more chances of an injury but then why not give them an extra bye week.
by JAYson G on Aug 26, 2010 4:51 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I think that may be more reasonable.
Good idea. I like that you threw in an extra bye week. Without that, I don’t know if it’s nearly as possible from an NFLPA standpoint.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions
The Owners are Happy with the Economics of the Game?
I liked the post a lot, KY, but I don’t think you can say that. If the owners liked the current arrangement, they would not be threatening a lock out.
I do not like the idea of 18 games, but fear it is inevitable. if the sides are deadlocked on distribution of revenues, the easiest solution is to expand the pie.
by Chibronx on Aug 26, 2010 5:24 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I didn't say the owners.
On the other hand, the NFL (or Roger Goodell, at least) appears to be, for the most part, happy with the economics of the league while looking towards getting as much football to the fans as they can (hence the 18 game proposal).
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
One and the same to me. Do you really see him as overseeing anything other than the owners’ interests? He works for them.
by Chibronx on Aug 26, 2010 5:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough.
I was just a bit takenaback by yesterday’s news. There wasn’t any comment from the other side, which makes me really wonder if this idea is going to make the deal happen as fast as they are thinking.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I just see so many players getting injured lately
and I think this certainly can’t help that. But honestly there is no debating how much more money the league would make from it, so it’s going to happen. I just think this is really bad timing with a lockout looming
Does soccer warn us off this?
Due to insatiable dfemand, club soccer has been expanded to the point that it is essentially year-round. And the best pros enjoy insanely short peaks because they always have nagging injuries. Michael Owen had hit his peak at what, 25? Lionel Messi is getting nagging issues. and so on. We are only talking about two more games, but we are talking about football.
this could bakfire on the owners. They have so much invested in marketed commodities like Manning and all of Little Peter King’s idols. If their careers get shorter — by 1/8 as this math would have it — that’s two years less of ramming Peyton Manning down pur throats.
by Chibronx on Aug 26, 2010 5:31 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
+1 Good point
Here in Europe we suffer from football (soccer!) overkill. Indeed you could argue that even the World Cup itself was too long. Also many of the elite players were too tired at the World Cup due to the long season – it affected the quality of the matches.
I’d take quality over quantity. No to 18 weeks!
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by British Bronco on Aug 27, 2010 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Has anyone said how 18 games would affect the schedule?
It works out really well right now with 6 division games, 4 games from a division in the other conference, 4 games from a division in the same conference and the 2 games determined by division standing.
It seems to me that if the 2 extra games are outside of your division is lessens the importance of the division games since they become a smaller percentage of your total games and you can’t really play 1 or 2 extra division games when you have 3 division opponents.
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Not that I'm for an 18-game schedule, but
how about if you played the same-division opponents three times (9 games), play one game with each team in the three other same conference divisions (9 games), dump having games that are determined by same conference standing, and dump the inter-conference games? Every team in the same conference would play each other at least once, which to me would be more meaningful to the standings than having inter-conference games. Inter-conference games to me are merely exhibition games that unfortunately count in the standings. I think that a schedule like that, with two bye weeks, would be OK.
I mean 21?
Guess it would work by maintaining just the two games against each same-division team and then have one game against each team in the other three same-conference divisions. Yes, that would be 18, for sure. Right? OK, I won’t make any more replies to my own reply.
That would work...
But I don’t know that I like getting rid of the inter conference games. That’s really my only beef with this whole thing. The owners and players can figure out how to split the 100 gazillion dollars that the NFL brings in…I just really like how the schedule works out right now. It’s nice to know 14/16 opponents years in advance.
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no way we give up the interconference games!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 26, 2010 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Some things that would lighten the 18 game impact
1. Expanding roster size from 53 to 58 or 60 which is being discussed allows teams to keep some “fringe” projects or ST guys. And expansion of the prectice squad by 5-10 players would be warranted
2. Adding some form of developmental league: This has been discussed and I suspect in some form will become a reality
3. More emphasis on divisional races as “strength of schedule” would be more pronounced as it once was. Nowadays teams play 6 division games, 4 games against another rotating AFC division, and 4 games against a rotating NFC division. That leaves 6 games that are determined by the formula they use determined by your divisional finish the prior year. 2 more games gives you 8 “SOS” games, which I personally like.
4. One “all rookie” pre-season game has been discussed. This would be a pre-season game scheduled before the veterans report to camp. (I am not sure I like this one)
Just some food for thought and things I have heard being discussed.
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Typo in #3 above:
2 “SOS” games now…. 4 “SOS” games if season is expanded. You know what I MEANT to say.. :)
"I don't need love, I just need wins.'' - Kyle Orton, 2010
As far
as divisional races are concerned, they could go back to the total points scored in both games tiebreaker between teams tied in the same division. For example, say the Broncos and Chiefs would have ended up 13-3 in 1997. Well, Denver beat them 19-3 in Week 1, and the Chiefs beat them by 24-22 in Week 12. So, Denver would have won the division in that tiebreaker because they outscored KC 41-27 in the two games.
The NFL doesn't want a developmental league
Goodell has said as much, and with such support of the CFL, and football in Europe, the league would rather have players go there and play, and then let teams pick from the CFL then compete for viewing time on the TV.
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Me thinks
Too many people are reading into this and getting hung up in the details. The football players play 20 games currently,they pretty much have year round camps there will always be injuries no matter how many games played or not played, the only difference is the break down of the 20 games played making 2 more games mean something ie more meaningful football. How can any fans who truly love football not want 2 extra games that count in the standings really, I am pretty competative and to me the pre-season pretty much equalls Pro Bowl.
first ten digit dialing now this!
i adapted to dialing the extra three numbers in denver even though years ago i thought i wouldn’t make it. this will be okay, too.
i can’t imagine the upheaval if things had gone the other way and the league started talking about going back to 14 games because the game quality was better back then and less injuries occurred.
it’ll all be good, KB. fans, teams, players and coaches will all have to adjust and evolve (if you want a revolution it’s the only solution), and in three or four years an 18 game season will feel about right.
relax and inhale the fresh, clear air of 18 games. drink from the vine of a mere 120 precious minutes more of football per year amidst the rest of the 526,920 minutes of dog-eat-dog.
I agree preseason football sucks
Take away two meaningless games and give us two more games that mean something.Preseason football is almost impossible to watch.
Something I really dislike;
I always want the Broncos to be all-time record holders of… Well, everything.
Increasing the regular season schedule means adding an asterisk to the record books, for obvious reasons, and well. That just sucks to basically change the history of the game like that.
It didn’t matter quite as much back in the day, when it changed from 14 to 16 games, because they didn’t even keep track of some of the records (i.e. sacks, etc.).
But KB, you bring many-a valid points.
Another thing I thought of is in the off-season, in place of Training Camps, like the Falcons, Jags, Saints and Patriots did, having Camps with other teams would likely increase among the league to compensate for lack of evaluation period of ‘bubble’ players, etc… Good post though, I’m down with keepin’ it the way it is, but it wouldn’t make me lose any sleep…. As long as there is football in 2011, I’ll be juuuust fine. =J
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 26, 2010 6:56 PM MDT reply actions
16 is enough
For a lot of reasons we should not have 18 games. 1 is the risk of injury goes up,n i don’t want my broncos getting hurt before the big dance. Same for having 18,1 is players would get paid 2 more checks. But all honesty 16 is great, i don’t need more. If the NFL wanna fix the season how about fix the prices on preseason tickets. I’m not paying full price to see guys thats not even gonna be on the team in a few weeks,starters tht don’t give a damn how the out come goes. But hey i don’t pay for tickets any way,season my granddad was big n Michigan n is involved with local football,i get free tickets. Yea its for the sucky lions but it’s football.
KB I would be OK with staying with 16 games,
as long as there is a game to watch, I’m on it, whether it means something or not…
I remember when there were only 12 games a season. The are adding about two games every 20 years plus a few extra playoffs have been added. Also every year the average weight of an offensive lineman has been going up about 2 pounds a year. If the current trends prevail about twenty more years expect 400 pound linemen playing 20 games a season plus 6 or so playoffs. Lets just hope they extra games will come in February and March. Because I know if I’m skiing in Colorado I don’t want to meet a 400 pound lineman on the slopes.
They don't play pre-season in college or high school.
They should be able to get ready with all the offseason work that they do.
Not if they shorten the offseason along with it.
Plus, you don’t see most high school or college teams running a complex NFL offense/defense.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 26, 2010 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a moot point,
as all teams will face the same challenges. It will be an even playing field as far as preparations go. Do you really think that 32 or so NFL coaches would not be able to adjust to the changes within a season or two? I can’t believe that for a second.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
And you don't see college or high schoolers get paid
If you pay the guys that much money, you want them at their best.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
16 games is enough!
the 18 games proposal is just another way to squeeze more dollars out of the fans. Preseason games are needed to evaluate new/incoming players and to get returning players back in game conditioning. If you cut the preseason down to two games(or eight quarters of football), how do you accomplish both.
I don't like the way constant increases in total counting games
renders comparisons meaningless. 1000 yards used to be a banner year for a running back. Now it’s no big deal. Add two more games and every half-assed back will have a 1000 yard season. This is the one area in which baseball makes more sense. They don’t keep changing the schedule and game so much that comparisons with past players and seasons are rendered totally meaningless. That’s in addition to players having their careers and lives shortened even more by the physical battering they take over the course of a season. I responded to this story on the NFL site, where a bunch of the respondents were saying fire Goodell, lynch Goodell, etc. I pointed out what should have been obvious, which is that he is an employee of the owners. This is their idea, and it’s their greed that’s driving it.
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"They don’t keep changing the schedule and game so much that comparisons with past players and seasons are rendered totally meaningless."
No they ignore drug abuse until comparisons with past players and seasons are rendered totally meaningless.
jk
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Give me more football
I wonder if people went all chicken little the last time games were added?
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
Gotta draw the line somewhere though
Otherwise you turn into MLB or NBA where hardly any of the games actually matter. There DOES come a point where you need to draw the line. A 24 game season would be disastrous for the NFL, right? So would 22. So where is the line?
For what it’s worth, I voted “I don’t know.”
I'm too much of a Bronco fan to think that there are games that don't matter.
If they played 24 games in the NBA do you think any of them would be meaningless? There is a big difference between 24 and 82 (58 to be exact), but I don’t know who said anything about a 24 or 22 games season anyhow. Slippery slope arguments are a distraction.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
sorry, that may have been a little bit snarky ;)
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
Actually, the owners could change it to a 22 game schedule
As you know, in the Collective Bargaining Agreement we have the right to go to 22 games. The ownership does not think that’s the right step to take. We want to do this the right way and make it good for everyone, including the players, our fans, and the game in general. From our standpoint, we think we’ve moved this concept along. There’s a tremendous amount of momentum for it. We think it’s the right step to take. But we want to do that with our partners, including the players.
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 26, 2010 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm for keeping it at 16
games because of the physical toll that NFL players take and adding 2 more grueling games a year will only increase injuries and ability of players to get up out of bed the next day after they have played a game.
Also, if a team sucks then adding 2 more games for terrible team makes a terrible season even harder to watch as a fan and tougher to suffer through for the players. Imagine being 1-15 and having 2 games still left to play. If that 1-15 team still has at least 1 home game their won’t be many fans at the stadium or watching on tv either-they will just be ready for the season to end.
I wish the NFL would play 2 preseason games and leave the regular season at 16 games but the owners would probably never agree to cutting out 2 preseason games without adding 2 regular season games.
I love the NFL as much as anyone in the world but 18 games is just to many for many reasons and I hope the commissioner and owners come to their senses and leave the regular season at 16 games and I hope the players fight like hell to keep it at 16 games but if the players are offered enough money in a new CBA they will probably agree to it.
I agree with KB
I’m firmly in the camp of 16 is enough. If its not broke don’t fix it.
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I love that Terrell Hit btw
I saw it the other day on NFL Network and I started yelling at the TV, look there is Terrell. My friends didnt believe it at first because he was on special teams.
I really hope he makes the HOF someday. He made things look so easy.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
I personally think this is just posturing...
This would be quite the bone to throw to the NFLPA to secure concessions on other areas during the CBA talks.
Good Point
The article was excellent Kentuckybronco. Recd.
But the issues are numerous. So the NFL decides to just add the games. In the middle of a labor meltdown. They simply state they want it in 2012. With no negotiations.
This is a negotiating tool. The NFL can now give up something in negotiations (18 games) that they never had to begin with.
I suppose the other angle could be that if the owners are prepared to go to the mattress on the labor issues they may as well do what they want. Lock-out the players. Have the union disband. And then they can institute the 18 game schedule with lower contracts, lower minimum pay, no competitive pay floor for parity. This should make the wealthy teams even wealthier. I doubt that it will do a lot for the betterment of football, however.
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by lifelongvike on Aug 27, 2010 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions
This is one of those one the fence items for me.
I believe 16 regular season games are plenty when added to the 4 preseason games and the potential of one or more playoff games for the top teams. I think 18 games would be great for competition, but, would certainly hurt the evaluation of young and emerging players with only two preseason games. As with everything it basically comes down to money. I think they really need to table this and just work on the CBA for now until that’s worked out.
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A different perspective ...
I disagree with your beginning “understanding about what the two sides want”. The NFL and Goodell are NOT “happy with the economics of the league …”. It was the NFL, not the players union, who decided to end the current CBA early because the owners are not happy with the current terms; the players union clearly offered to keep operating under the terms of the current agreement.
The new CBA negotiations are all about money and benefits – who gets what share of the pie – and to a lessor extent the size of the overall pie. By having more regular season games, the NFL expects to get more revenue. Having more revenue, to split, should help the parties reach agreement, except (as you address in your posting) the change means more things the two parties can fight about in the negotiations. I think increasing the amount of overall revenue (# of regular season games) will make it easier for the parties to compromise and reach agreement on a new CBA; so an extended schedule will probably be part of the next CBA. But I am not suggesting an agreement will be reached soon. I see both parties entrenched; and a lockout and loss of at least part of next season being very likely.
Personally, I am ok with more regular season games; and assume there will still only be 20 total games (2 preseason games). There are other ways (besides having 4 preseason games) to get the teams ready and to evaluate the players.
However, I am fine with the current 16 regular season games too. I would be against having more than 20 total games per season (not counting post season).
Expanded playoffs?
Instead of an 18-game season, make it a four-round playoff format. You get extra football that really counts. I never have liked that a division winning/conference leading team “only” has to play two playoff games before they’re in the Superbowl. This format would also make it harder for a wildcard team to “sneak” into the Superbowl. Of course, with expanded playoffs you might get 8-8 teams in the playoffs. But this should be an end to the (semi-rare) 11-5 teams NOT making the playoffs. I haven’t done the math on this, but I would imagine you could let every division winner get a bye week in the playoffs. Eh, just a thought.
But then we start getting into an NBA-ish situation where it seems like EVERYONE makes the playoffs.
That’s a big problem with the NCAA basketball tourney, as well. I’d just be afraid of getting into a playoff restructuring because then instead of 6 teams making the playoffs per conference, you would be getting into 8 and 10 teams. That’s 16 to 20 teams in the NFL making the playoffs. And the teams that are just squeaking in are usually in no type of situation where they could make an impact in the playoffs.
I don’t think that it would make it harder for a wildcard team to “sneak” into the Superbowl because essentially you are adding more wildcard teams into the mix. By adding a few more average teams into the playoff picture, you’re diluting the quality of the games a little bit and adding more opportunity for a team that didn’t perform great in the regular season to get into the playoffs.
I don’t know. I think it’s an interesting solution, but I’m not in favor of it.
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by Troy Hufford on Aug 29, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry,
hit the post button by accident. Yeah, that is another reason I am against the 18 game schedule-it decreases the value of each regular season game. The media seems to want the 18 game schedule but it is clear to me by reading MHR and other sites a lot of fans want the 16 game schedule to remain.
But Roger Goddell usually gets what he wants and I have usually been for the things he has wanted but I am totally against 18 games but the commissioner will probably get his way again but I still hold out hope the season stays at 16 games in 2012 and many more seasons after that.
And I don’t want to increase the # of playoffs teams if they go to 18 games either.

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