Denver Vs Pittsburgh: Pre-Game Observations
by Nick Cast on Aug 27, 2010 5:31 AM MDT
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PrintIt appears that there is an unspoken rule that about the pre season. The first two games are used to get the starters back into the swing of things. The third game is when the starters see significant playing time. The fourth and final game is typically used to just keep the starters fresh, but not overwork them. They are being saved for the regular season that is right around the corner.
Well, we are in week 3, the most important week of pre season. On Sunday, we face the Pittsburgh Steelers in front of a national audience. We were fortunate enough to get several players back this week. We are starting to get healthy. Our squad looks much different when the likes of Champ Bailey, D.J. Williams, Ryan Clady, Correl Buckhalter, LenDale White and Chris Kuper are all in the lineup. Here is a scary thought for you, even with those players back in the lineup, we are still not at 100%. Anyway, we will be seeing some of the above mentioned players on Sunday in some capacity. For now, here is my Denver vs Pittsburgh pre game analysis.
Who to watch
J.D. Walton and Zane Beadles- Last week, they played decently against a strong Detroit D-Line. This week, they face the tough Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers have been throwing out some pretty vanilla defenses so far in pre season. However, a couple Steelers fans from Behind the Steel Curtain came by this week to answer any questions we had. Kdo09 asked these guys about the Steelers' blitzing in the pre season and this was his response:
Lebeau has been throwing out some pretty ‘vanilla’ defenses so far this preseason. I think this could be the week that we finally see a few of the zone blitzes come out. I doubt he will run them the whole time the starters are in, but you will see a good bit on 3rd down packages. I have a feeling Harrison is going to have a really good game. -Johnny_S
If he is correct, the rookies will be facing quite the challenge from the very well coached Steelers defense. Keep your eye on the rooks.
Cox had a much better game against the Lions then he did against the Bengals. He was definitely better in his coverage. Additionally, Cox showed his explosive play in the punt game. Cox returned a punt 65 yards. Assuming Champ plays on Sunday, Cox will see extensive time in the nickel, and will probably move outside in the 3rd/4th quarter. Following his solid performance last week with a solid performance this week will make it easier to forget the Cincy game.
Last week was a monumental game for our defense. We weren't overly impressive, but a couple players did stick out. It just so happens that the players who stuck out were the people we needed to step up most. Robert Ayers got his first NFL sack and Moss was almost unstoppable. He would have been totally unstoppable had it not been for that facemask penalty(Seriously, I was so mad that they facemasked Moss. He would have had 2 sacks on the day). Moss showed the explosiveness and strength that made him our draft choice in 07. Many people around here were pretty shocked about how good Moss looked, but all compliments were followed with (but he was playing against 2nd stringers). Not this weekend. Moss will be starting opposite Ayers this weekend. Moss impressed the coaches enough that they cut pre season starting ILB Akin Ayodele and moved Mario Haggan back to ILB in order to give Moss the starting spot at OLB. Last week was a great first step in the right direction for Moss. If he plays that way against the Steelers, expect me to be humming/singing/screaming his praises in my post game report.
I have sung Orton's praises all pre season. He has been stellar. However, this weekend will be the real test. He has faced Cincinnati and Detroit who are both middle of the pack pass defenses. This week, he faces a top 10 unit in the Pittsburgh Steelers who will be playing their starters well into the 3rd quarter. Now, I am not trying to take away from what Orton has done. Far from it. Everyone has been impressed with Orton this pre season. However, these are the Pittsburgh Steelers. They rank 10th against the pass in pre season. This is the highest ranked pass defense we will play to date. It may be just pre season, but with the starters likely to play a lot, I want to see one final game from Orton. Let's see if he is still as effective against an elite defense.
The game against the Lions was Eric Decker's first game in almost 10 months. He finished the game with 5 receptions for 66 yards. Needless to say, I was very happy with Decker last weekend. He reminded me exactly why we picked him to be our possession receiver. However, I want to see him get more targets with the 1st team offense. The majority of his targets were against the 2nd stringers. If Demayrius Thomas is going to be out for an extended period of time, we are going to need Decker. I want to see him worked into the 1st team offense.
5 Players Who Need A Big Game
Brady Quinn- Tebow might or might not be back this weekend. I believe he won't be back. He will rest 1 more weekend, but get extensive time week 4 against the Vikings. So Brady will be seeing playing time in the 2nd half. He was a little better last weekend then he was against the Bengals, but he desperately needs a big game. There are a lot of people who want Tebow as the back up. If Brady wants to hold onto that spot, he needs to cement his position on Sunday.
Alphonso Smith- Like Quinn, he was better against the Lions then he was against the Bengals. However, there are plenty of critics (especially here at MHR) who believe he is already a bust. Some already believe he is going to be cut. I think that is ridiculous. Nevertheless, he needs a big game. A couple batted passes and an interception is a lot to ask, but it would silence a lot of critics.
LenDale White- White returned to practice this week. He has been wearing the orange no-contact jersey so it remains to be seen if he will play. However, if he does play, he needs to make a statement. Our running backs have been less then impressive in pre season. With Knowshon out and Buckhalter slow to come back, this would be the perfect time to make a statement. I don't know how many people saw LenDale get interviewed this week, but LenDale looks like a man with a chip on his shoulder. He wants to get back on the football field asap. I believe he is almost a lock for the roster, but many people disagree. If he wants to fully lock a spot, he needs to play and show some fire.
Eddie Royal- If you have been following my work, you know that I am disappointed that Eddie hasn't had much of an impact this pre season. He has been targeted just 3 times total in 2 games. He has caught 2 passes for 20 yards and 1 touchdown. Those numbers are not going to win him comeback player of the year. He has not been an active part of the offense. Compared to Jabar Gaffney's 11 targets, 8 receptions, and 135 yards and Brandon Lloyd's 8 targets, 4 catches, 28 yards, and 1 touchdown, Eddie's targets and production is 3rd rate. I want to see those explosive plays like we did in 2008.
Ryan Harris- Last week, Harris was bullied by Sue. Now, let's not forget that Sue was arguably the most hyped defensive player in a long time. Nevertheless, Harris was being manhandled. He doesn't necessarily need a "big game". However, he needs to show he can hold off elite players after being out for the majority of last year. Holding off the Steelers pass rush would ease my mind.
Top Position Battles
With roster cuts on the way, the next two games will be huge in deciding who stays and who goes. Here are a couple position battles to keep your eyes on this weekend:
OLB- Baraka Atkins vs Jason Hunter vs Jammie Kirlew vs Kevin Alexander
2 or 3 of these guys could be kept. It depends on what we do with Doom. Personally, I hope we put Doom on IR. I don't want him rushing back. Let the man heal and get his 20+ sacks in 2011. For now, we have these players competing for roster spots. McD has been very complimentary of Baraka Atkins. I think he is a lock for the team. That leaves Hunter, Kirlew, and Alexander for the remaining 1 or 2 spots. Hunter is new to the 3-4, but both Kirlew and Alexander disappeared last weekend against the Lions. My gut tells me Hunter wins, but we will see this weekend who has a leg up.
DB- Tony Carter, SydQuan Thompson, Cassius Vaughn, Kyle McCarthy
Here are the DB's locked to make the team: Champ, Goodman, Dawkins, Hill, McBath, Bruton, Cox, Phonz, Jones. That is 9 players. Last year, we kept 10 DB's. Assuming we keep the same amount, that means there is 1 spot left for Carter, Thompson, Vaughn, and McCarthy to fight over. Personally, I think this competition is between 2 people: SydQuan Thompson and Cassius Vaughn. McCarthy is PS eligible (and I think we should definitely put him on there). Tony Carter has disappeared. He took time away from Phonz last year, but this year he has regressed IMO. He was beat a couple times last week against Detroit. Additionally, both Thompson and Vaughn are ST players and pretty good ones at that. I was particularly impressed with Vaughn's speed against the Bengals. Although, SydQuan showed some ability last week too. This might come down to who is a better returner. So watch SydQuan's and Vaughn's returns on Sunday. I'm betting on SydQuan simply because he was a 7th rounder pick while Vaughn was a CFA.
RB- Fargas, Ball, Hall
With Knowshon, Buckhalter, and LenDale likely to make the team, we have 1 spot left. I was not impressed with Fargas last weekend. He doesn't look like he has much left in the tank to me. Ball and Hall, on the other hand, are young players who have shown flashes during pre season. I believe it's between Ball and Hall for that final spot with Ball edging out in the end.
I'm Part Psychic
What I'm about to tell you is a true story. I was tweeting with KentuckyBronco before the Lions game. I predicted 3 things. I predicted that Ayers, Moss, and Bannan would all get 1 sack. He scoffed, mocked, and laughed at me through twitter....Okay, maybe he didn't. But it still seemed like an outrageous claim. 3 starting caliber players getting sacks in a pre season game? What are the odds of that? Well, it turns out that Ayers and Bannan shared a sack while Moss not only got a sack, but also forced a fumble. After that happened, it occurred to me that I must be part psychic. I couldn't claim to be full psychic because Bannan and Ayers both shared the sack and didn't get 1 each. So I consider myself a part psychic. I had a vision while writing this and here is my 3 part prediction:
1. Eddie Royal gets a touchdown on an explosive play
2. Jarvis Moss gets another sack
3. Someone gets an interception.
I am sorry that the 3rd prediction is vague. I sneezed mid-vision. Although, I do remember seeing the numbers 32 and the letters C-O-X.
There is your Broncos vs Steelers pre game write up. As always, there is a ton of things to look out for. With the starters likely to play a big chunk of the game, it will be the first time we will see our starters play for an extended period of time. It will sure be fun to watch. I look forward to talking to you all on game day. Man it is good to be in football season.
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I wouldn't think the players returning from injury are playing much this week!
I doubt seriously if any of them would be in good enough shape to play very much and we don’t need them reinjuried.
Fargas should get more snaps and hopefully Decker and Moss will continue to improve.
Kansas Bob
I don't expect them to play a lot
but players like Champ, D.J. will probably play 1 quarter, maybe 2. Not as much as the other starters, just enough to get their feet wet.
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Good stuff, Nick
Though, I think we drafted Jarvis in 2007, not 2008.
The things I’m looking for this week:
1. More cohesion and polish from the 1’s. With some of the injured players returning and another week under their belts, they should start to play even better as a unit. Especially the offense, since I think the D still needs another week with its starters back and with Moss settling into his new role.
2. Alphonso Smith to put up or shut up. I think last week might go a long way to propping up his confidence. If he can start to play with some intensity, then I think he’ll start to come on.
3. The starting OL to start to develop chemistry. With the 2 rookies, it’s going to take some time. If Clady and/or Kuper play this week, it will start to get them on the same page. This will help tremendously with #1, above.
4. Someone — ANYONE — to step the hell up in the linebacking corp. I don’t care if it’s Haggan, DJ coming back from injury, Woodyard, Jarvis Moss’s mom — whoever. Someone needs to help jam up the run (can’t rely 100% on the DL) and someone needs to start to clamp down on those short-intermediate passing routes. It could be 2 guys in tandem, but something needs to show positive momentum and fast.
5. Can we please run the ball? And with some consistent success, please. Doesn’t need to be top-5, and we don’t need a Chris Johnson-like season for any one player, but we must prove we can run when necessary. Maybe Walton needs to open up a can of that trademark nastiness that I keep hearing about. Runs up the gut are always a nice ‘f-you’ move. :)
I’m excited about the rookies that we have, along with the other youth in key places. I’m stoked as hell for the season. My only danger is that I let my hopes get too high again and we don’t quite reach my unrealistic expectations. :)
thanks for that note
I agree with all those things. I would be very happy if we showed improvements in those fronts.
But personally, I’m hoping it’s Jarvis’ mom stepping up in the linebacker corp. Heard she recently ran a 4.6 40 yard dash.
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Royal has had at least one play [41 yard reception in the detroit game] called back due to penalty. This doesn’t count in his targets #
I did not forget about that play
I was only able to watch game once., but when that play occurred, I had not found a link to the game yet. I do not know if that was Eddie being explosive, or a downfield pass by Orton. I’m not quite sure.
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He's actually had several catches called back
On a lot of those holding calls, where Orton was in trouble, he found Royal, it seemed.
I have a feeling that once teams begin blitzing more, Royal will become a bigger part of the offense.
by JeffG on Aug 28, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
Like you said, Eddie seems to be (along with Jabar) the best at coming back to bail out KO when there is pressure. Just too many penalties wiping out the plays.
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Nicely put together Nick
Not much to nit pick with here.
My only question is was it Harris that was getting bullied by Suh or Vandenboesch that was doing the bullying? I only ask because Suh is a tackle and VB is an end. I havent had a chance to replay the game.
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Suh had one play
Where he stunted left and ran right over Harris knocking him on his backside. But Suh did not spend the whole game man handling Harris or anyone else. The pressure on Orton was coming mostly from the left tackle position.
The two rooks held up well and Im excited to see how they play tonight. But Baptist will still need help. It should be a good game.
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Cool
Thanks for the information.
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thanks johnnystarr
Suh flattened Harris last week. I also saw a couple plays when Harris was pushed back.
I’m not insinuating that he has lost a step.
With the amount of elite teams we play, I just want to see him holding up against elite players.
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I would add inside linebackers to the list.
As was mentioned above, someone needs to start making some noise middle of the field. Far too many short passes and broken tackles over the middle.
Hopefully that will improve with Haggan back inside, and DJ returning. :)
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good point
I’m certain that DJ’s presence alone will bolster our LB’s
I definitely want to see better tackling. We can’t be missing so many tackles.
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I look at preseason so far this way for the young Olinemen
We play a 3-4 in practice so the young linemen should be far more comfortable against the 3-4 than they were against the 4-3 defenses ,However facing those 4-3 defenses the past two weeks were important because our first 6-7 games are against 4-3 defenses and the first series of the Vikings game will be important as well if they can get a look at the Williams bros and jared Allen . The more variety they see in the preseason the better .
I also see this is as sort of a “what have we learned since the last time we faced you” game for Both Orton and Mcdaniels as we had a chance to beat Pitt last year but Orton made some costly mistakes throwing underneath. We dont play them in the regular season so its a good time for Josh and Kyle to show us what theyve learned about the Steelers.
Also they dont have Big Ben they have Leftwich back there who is more immobile than Orton . I expect us to mix it up and get Leftwich moving and blitz a bit more than we did the first couple of weeks .
I agree
It’s a good thing that our rooks are getting experience against the 4-3. As you noted, our first 6-7 games are against 4-3 teams so I like that they are getting the experience now.
Very good point about Orton and McD’s rematch. Let’s see how much different this game is compared to last years. I’m expecting a totally different game with a totally different outcome.
I also want to see a little less vanilla in our defense, a little more chocolate. Maybe some strawberry. A tad bit of sherbert.
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Incorrect Sir.
they have Leftwich back there
Dixon is going to be playing with the 1st string offense tomorrow.
I love the smell of burnt O-line in the morning!
-Me, ripping off Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now
Ben is supposed to start.
Not sure how long he’s playing, but he’s starting and getting a few series before turning over to Dixon. Unless I dreamed up reading that. And if I’m reading about Big Ben, someone please hit me with a car.
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if I'm "dreaming" about Big Ben
please hit me with a car.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
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-oxmouth
Its too bad Big BEn isnt playing.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
shoot.. it posted too fast
I wouldve liked to see Moss attempt to tackle Big Ben.. Thats one big QB and even Elvis had a tough time wrapping him up.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Leftwich isn't small, either
Is he? Uh, no. 6-5, 250. Big Ben’s official stats on NFL.com have him at 6-5, 241. There’s still a difference, but it will be interesting to see the OLB get to the QB.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 27, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
The Jags are like the only team in the preseason with a worse offensive rushing attack. :)
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Remember Elvis taking down the Hutt?
Those were classic, ‘big’ QB sacks!
That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 27, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Like a lion taking down a hippo!
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by c_style on Aug 28, 2010 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm def rec'ing that
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Couldn't provide a better example!
There’s #2! Hilarious c_!
That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 28, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Green
pure awesome
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Instant classic
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Your a good writer Nick
I would encourage towards journalism but that is a dieing trade. good write up well expressed views. I liked that you personalized it just a bit. It made the story more enjoyable to read but still it wasn’t about you. Good Job!
Much better than the experts at the Post. I thought it was funny Lindsey Jones 53 man roster was blown up on the day she wrote it by the release of Polumbus.
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I always thought Lindsey was a dude. lol opps.
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Wait....
Lindsay is a girl??
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by Dustin Maul on Aug 28, 2010 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Thansk 3nS
I really appreciate that!
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You really went out on a limb there with your predictions...
LOL
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Pretty nice preview
I would like to point out that the Bengals were much better against the pass last season, ranking 6th in the league, whereas Pittsburgh actually ranked 16th not 10th in the league, link. With a weak secondary, I don’t expect too much trouble for Orton, unless their solid front seven can get pressure on him, then that’s another story.
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you are right max
Thanks for pointing that out. I was looking at the pass defense for the pre season and not the pass defense from 2009. My apologies. Thanks for the correction. It should be noted that Pittsburgh’s pass defense is ranked 10th so far in pre season. So we will still be facing a top 10 unit.
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I want to see
The defense be aggressive! All off season we have been hearing how “Wink” has made this defense more physical, and how they now had a certain “swagger”…..I WANT TO SEE IT!!
So in the words of Olivia Newton John, “let’s get physical!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWz9VN40nCA
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by Dustin Maul on Aug 28, 2010 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great read Nick
And I’m really with you on Alphonso and Eddie having a great game. We could all use seeing that. ( =
I see at least two interceptions…. One from, wait… It’s coming to me… Robert Ayers!?! Yup, that’s pretty bold…. But hey, I always have to struggle to convince myself of the real odds of Us going undefeated… So… Um, (enter contradictory prediction disclaimer here).
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First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 27, 2010 12:50 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks PearlJamBroncoGFunk
I hope they both have good games. It would be a huge boost going into the final pre season game.
2 interceptions, Ayers gets 1? Wow. Bold prediction. I sure hope your right. That would be awesome.
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You left out the best part!
Not only does Ayers get a pick….he returns it all the way for a touchdown!! ;)
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."--Henry Rollins
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by Dustin Maul on Aug 28, 2010 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good call! I forgot to include that part eh.....
Every time We play the Steelers from here on out, Ayers will return some kind of turnover for a score. I’m good with that. he he. He’s already started the streak, now to continue it.
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First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 28, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Great Job
Insightful as always
I am looking forward to seeing Jarvis against 1st team. No more focusing on just Robert Ayers anymore this preseason.
Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!
by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 27, 2010 1:48 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks rockymountainthunder
You said it perfectly. It’s no longer just about Ayers. It’s both Ayers and Moss. I can’t wait.
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Really nice write up
Linebackers and o-line are my #1 point of interest this week, for sure.
I hope for another good performance in the kicking game too, especially punts. Colquitt had a good game last week and a bad game in week one so hopefully this one is even better.
thanks Mcbeth149
Both of those things are things to look out for.
I also want to see Prater bounce back and hit a 45 yarder after he missed one last week.
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"Sneezed in mid-vision." ROTF!!
I don’t often laugh out loud at the computer, but you got me on that one, Nick. Loved the analysis.
Of all the players to prove out – and all are important – I’m pulling for Orton the most. I really believe that, as Orton goes, so the Broncos will go this year. I believe his precision passing and field vision will pull through – IF the young bucks on the line can keep the Steelers off him . . .
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Thanks AZDynamics
glad you enjoyed it!
In Orton we trust. We rise and fall with him.
Guru said it best, Kyle Orton is the 2nd most important player in the NFL as it relates to his team. He is second only to Peyton Manning.
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Hey Nick!
Here you are in Rec’d reading again. Nice stufff. Very humorous at times, keeping it light.
What I’m excited to see is Beadles at T and how the new starting LBs do. I personally love the decision to go Ayers,DJ,Hagan,Moss. Wish Knowshon was back for this one. Preseason game #3 is usually pretty important. Most starters wont play much in #4, so this is the week to see what we actually have. Clady and Moreno will make a huge difference yet, but we may not see either of them until game 1 of reg. season. I think your sneeze messed with your vision because I really feel an INT from #22 coming.
Hey Digger!
Glad you liked it. It will be very interesting to see Beadles playing T. I don’t know if you saw McD’s press conference, but he said there is an open competition between Beadles and Daniels. Beadles was our 2nd round pick, Daniels is an CFA. Kind of makes me wonder if Beadles is playing poorly or Daniels is just playing that well.
Maybe it was #22. I don’t know. I do know that I saw the letters C-O-X though. We shall see on Sunday when the play works out :)
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and if he doesn't perform well, it will be a firestorm.
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Just a thought (or two)
There are a lot of people who want Tebow as the back up. If Brady wants to hold onto that spot, he needs to cement his position on Sunday.
If a lot of people think limited time in ONE preseason game is enough to make a Rookie quarterback a 2nd stringer, they have got to be crazy stupid.
I think Practice Squad eligibility will have the most to say on who makes the roster at OLB and DB.
Nice work Nick.
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thanks Kap
I am not ready to make Tebow our backup yet. Although, I got to admit that Brady Quinn doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence at that position either.
Practice Squad eligibility will definitely have a huge role, especially with DB’s.
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I just dont see how anyone has any love for Brady Quinn...nice guys....sucks as a footballer....I would rather have Prater as our back up QB!
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It's Not Just 1 Preseason Game
Quinn has looked awful all offseason. Tebow might not be an all-star, but he gives the offense more flexibility (if McDaniels wants to use it), and putting in Quinn is about the same as playing Patrick Ramsey at this point.
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No I meant
That Tebow has only had a limited time in one preseason game. I am still comfortable with Quinn as the #2 at this point. I’m not picking on Timmy, it’s just that Quinn can do what Simms failed to do last year. Is he a drop off? Sure, but at least he has game experience against real players and not scrubs.
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ugh
comment below is supposed to be here…
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BS Kap...Quinn is not that much of an upgrade on SImms....Tebow is a huge upgrade on both....Orton and Tebow I am super happy with!
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How do we know Tebow is a huge upgrade?
He’s played a few series against a bunch of players who will not be on NFL rosters to open the season, while the D was not showing a whole lot of exotic blitz packages. No one is saying Quinn is a world-beater, but there is NO evidence to show that Tebow is ready to be the number 2, either. Let the young fella learn to walk before we ask him to run a marathon.
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Because thats how BAD Brady Quinn is. He has improved not one bit, and is horrible with his decision making and reading of the offense...
OK. I would have traded Quinn and kept Brandstater. Quinn is horrible….and we are SCREWED if Orton goes down….it just gets worse if we start Brady Quinn.
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Quinn showed NO improvement from week 1 to week 2?
None at all? C’mon boydy….
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Yep...I said below...from F to D-.
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Hahahahahahaha!!!
Hey, that’s something! Man, you REALLY hate him….
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Nah, I dont at all. I think hes a really good guy and hope I am wrong...
Here’s an analogy: I play golf with one of my friends who is an awesome dude. Great family man, good friend, loves life, tries to do right by everyone……but he is a terrible golfer. Does not mean I hate him. He just aint very good!
I just would expect WAY more from Brady Quinn as a football player. He should be STREETS ahead of Tebow, and STREETS ahead of what Simms did….especially with experience in a system that has some big similarities…and he just is not.
I SO hope I am wrong my friend, but I see nothing that gives me hope!
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That's a very good analogy.
But I hope you’re wrong too. Actually, I hope Kyle has an MVP season and it’s a moot point all around…..
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-oxmouth
Exactly man!
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Let's be totally honest
Guru was right, we’re so boned if Orton goes down this year it’s not even funny :P. Luckily, this is the year he’ll buck the injury bug and be able to lead the team all season.
That is true Mcbeth
but I would much rather have Quinn than Simms. You guys remember that kid who couldn’t complete a pass and looked like a deer caught in the headlights?
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
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Yeah
I’ve been watching him each of the last two games playing with the second and third team! Mwa ha ha, see what I did thar?
Nah, I agree with you. He’s a definite upgrade at the backup spot.
Not that much. Simms looked better in pre season than Brady Quinn has!
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I think we're doomed to inconsistency if Orton goes down
In Tebow we have a player who is a gamer. He’ll bring enough of that to the table to make the highlight reels while making enough mistakes to label the Broncos inconsistent.
I think boned isn’t what we’ll be without Orton.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Aug 29, 2010 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree....but Tebow is a better option than Quinn. I would rather us cut Quinn and get another VETERAN back up.
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Harv Neptune.
Yep
I was speaking as though Tebow was the #2. I think, even in two games, we’ve seen enough of him to believe he’ll be who we call on if Orton goes down.
I disagree with cutting Quinn though. I think patience is what’s needed with Quinn. He hasn’t had that since college and Denver has the luxury to give him time to get to where he should be.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Quinn can do what Simms failed to do last year
Simms’s portfolio against “real players” is arguably far superior to Brady’s…
not taking a position on Tebow-as-backup pro or con, just pointing out that your logic doesn’t exactly bolster confidence
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Maybe.
But you have to qualify that, “PRE-injury Simms” vs. “POST-injury Simms.”
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- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth
you mean...
Pre-Stoned Chris Simms…..or Post-Stoned Chris Simms…… :)
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okay, we can agree to disagree
No problem, but if Josh McDaniels is the QB Guru that can fix all the problems with Tebow and make him into a great QB like he is betting on, then what’s stopping him from doing the same thing with a QB that already has experience? If he did what he’s done with “Noodle Armed” (sic) Kyle Orton, then why can’t he do it with Brady Quinn who has more tools?
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 29, 2010 8:08 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We keep going around and around with this.
But Kyle look like dirt last preseason. People were actually clamoring for Simms. Kyle needed some time to learn the system and to get some confidence back. Quinn has been in a HORRIBLE situation in Cleveland. Maybe he needs some time to learn the system and gain some confidence. And we give Tebow a pass when his receiver drops a sure TD, or when a play is wiped out due to penalty. Well, the same things have happened to Quinn. No, he has not looked like an All-Pro. But to me, he showed marked improvement from week 1 to week 2. Isn’t that what you look for? Particularly in your backup QB, who has been in the system for 4 months?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth
I disagree entirely. Part of Quinn's allure is that he had experience in a similar system which should have given him a SIGNIFICANT leg up from Tebow and had him at lesst competing with Orton....
The fact that Tebow is even in the back up mix shows me had bad Brady Quinn is. Yeah, a marginal improvement…from a F to a D-.
He is not very good, and he is wasting a roster spot IMO.
Orton had NO experience in the system. Quinn, who knows the concepts well, looks bad. The upside for Brady Quinn is modelling, because as a player he just aint very good.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Last year Orton threw a bunch of picks other than that we moved the ball pretty well prior to him hurting his hand
Quinn is having trouble with the speed of the game and getting the ball out and his issues are far beyond the issues Orton had his first couple of games .
KK - Orton showed up at our door basically a 3000 yard passer already . McDaniel had a very good base to start with one, who already had taken his lump learning to play under center with the Bears
Quinn needs more time but hes coming from much further back than Orton . Orton was a starter who had won a bunch of games league and was a leader on that Bears squad .
Right now we have to hope that we can get Quinn and even Tebow to the level that Orton was when he showed up last year first and then look to take a similar step to Orton .
When you are 26 yrs old and already have about 50 regular season starts to draw experience from its tough to compare anyone young player to that .
Hoop I agree with you and ncm
I was defending Quinn as the 2nd string QB, but too many are saying that Tebow is an All-Pro after 1 quarter of a preseason game against scrubs. Yes Brady looks like he is at or around the same place as Kyle was last year. That is totally expectable. Boydy, you can’t compare Notre Dame and NFL systems. Quinn said there are some similarities. It’s not like he is coming from the Patriots. I don’t think he will be a Kubiak this year and who knows, maybe ever. But I don’t think he will fail like Chris Simms either. He did run the offense better in the last game. He really just needs to lay off the energy drinks that amp him out. He deserves the same consideration as the other 2 QB’s. Hopefully like was already stated, Kyle is healthy all year and the point is moot.
And for the record, I wasn’t a BQ fan as a college player.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Yeah Kap...well tonights game tells me all we need to know about Brady Quinn!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Aug 29, 2010 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He really smelled up the place didn't he
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
by KaptainKirk on Aug 30, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
He did my friend....hes just not very good.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I wish we could see Knowshon before week 1
but even still it’d be nice to see some production in the running game tonight.
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