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Tebow throws first preseason TD as Broncos beat Steelers at Invesco Field - The Denver Post
"He was popping off down there the first time they were about to score," Harrison said, referring to the Broncos' game-opening touchdown drive. "So you run your mouth, expect to get something. Everything's between the lines, so he got what he had coming."

Kiszla: Brains and brawn secret to success - The Denver Post
The first football team to nine victories will be the champion of a weak AFC West. There's no reason the Denver Broncos can't be that team.

Orton scare exposes reality - The Denver Post
There was a brief moment Sunday night, just about the time 242 pounds worth of linebacker launched himself into the back of Kyle Orton's head, when the Broncos' injury-riddled preseason almost went to the next level.

Star-divide

Broncos' Bannan content in the shadows - The Denver Post
When Justin Bannan finished his senior season at the University of Colorado in 2001, he took the Regiment Award home with him from the team banquet.

Tebow was born to ... pass? - The Denver Post
The Tebow who has moved a football nation is a rumblin', tumblin', whoa, Nellie, what a hoss! That kind of quarterback. As Keith Jackson might say.

Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Denver Broncos - Recap - August 29, 2010 - ESPN
A quick hook didn't sit well with Ben Roethlisberger.

Pittsburgh Steelers LB James Farrior exits with head laceration - ESPN
Pittsburgh linebacker James Farrior left the Steelers' game at Denver after suffering a head laceration.

Post game notes: Steelers-Broncos | National Football Post
Orton and the Denver offense: It is clear watching this Broncos team that Kyle Orton has complete control of what they are trying to do from a scheme perspective. This club will run the football to set up very manageable third down situations where Orton can throw the curl, the option route, etc and move the sticks. But, let’s give the Broncos QB more credit because he can make every throw in Josh McDaniels’ passing tree—including the skinny post and the 7 route. Was baited by the Steelers' William Gay into an INT, but he looks the part for the Broncos.

Antonio Bryant cut by Cincinnati Bengals after struggling in camp; owed $8 million - ESPN
The Cincinnati Bengals released receiver Antonio Bryant, the team announced Sunday.

Mike Shanahan unsure QB Donovan McNabb will play in Washington Redskins opener - ESPN
It could be a smoke screen or just a cautious assessment of his quarterback's health, but Mike Shanahan says he's not certain Donovan McNabb will be available for the Washington Redskins' season opener against the Dallas Cowboys.

Calvin Pace of New York Jets to have foot surgery, miss four to six weeks, sources say - ESPN New York
Outside linebacker Calvin Pace is headed to a North Carolina surgeon to have his broken right foot repaired.

Source: Ben Roethlisberger, Roger Goodell to meet Friday - ESPN
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is scheduled to meet with commissioner Roger Goodell in New York on Friday, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Washington Redskins' Albert Haynesworth, Mike Shanahan mend relationship - ESPN
Mike Shanahan is happy to be hearing jokes, rather than disrespectful comments, from Albert Haynesworth.

Minnesota Vikings' Percy Harvin optimistic migraines cause found in test - ESPN
Percy Harvin's migraine headaches have been a riddle that no one has been able to solve.

UFL team will make decision on Maurice Clarett Monday - ESPN
The general manager of the United Football League's Omaha Nighthawks says the team will decide Monday whether to sign Maurice Clarett to a contract.

Oakland Raiders' Michael Bush to have surgery on broken thumb - ESPN
Oakland Raiders running back Michael Bush will undergo surgery on his broken left thumb Monday and could be back in time for the season opener.

Jason Campbell dealing with wrist injury | National Football Post
Besides his stinger, Oakland Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell has more serious issues.

Rams need one more move to get to 75 | National Football Post
The St. Louis Rams will have one roster move to make to get to the 75-man limit by Tuesday afternoon after a series of loves was made today.

Agent: Saints re-sign Kendrick Clancy | National Football Post
The New Orleans Saints have signed defensive lineman Kendrick Clancy to a one-year deal, according to his agent, Ron Del Duca.

Haruki Nakamura regaining old form | National Football Post
Baltimore Ravens safety Haruki Nakamura turned in an acrobatic interception of an Eli Manning pass deflected by linebacker Dannell Ellerbe.

Patriots re-sign Terrence Johnson, waive Brian Simmons | National Football Post
The New England Patriots executed two roster moves today: re-signing undrafted rookie defensive back Terrence Johnson and cutting offensive lineman Brian Simmons.

Texans cut Fred Bennett, two others | National Football Post
The Houston Texans have cut veteran cornerback Fred Bennett, a former fourth-round draft pick.

Jets interested in Adalius Thomas | National Football Post
Adalius Thomas and Rex Ryan could be reunited soon with the New York Jets, according to ESPN New York.

NFL.com news: Marshall plan: Dolphins place title hopes in hands of receiver
"This is the first year since I've been in the NFL that I'm going into a season totally happy with nothing but football on my mind," said the wideout who spent his previous four seasons in Denver playing for two head coaches, Mike Shanahan and Josh McDaniels, with whom he butted heads. "It's a different type of motivation. It's a positive motivation.

NFL.com news: Rebuilding Browns represent Holmgren's 'last great adventure'
Seneca Wallace can feel Mike Holmgren's eyes following him in practice.


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The Steelers played dirty — it was pretty shitty. I would hope their whole team gets fined for that bs.

by Todd Jewell on Aug 30, 2010 7:02 AM MDT reply actions  

The best part of the game was how hard (legally) Woodyard hit Dixon and Mays hit Leftwich.

Those two got smoked. Mays drilled a could of fools out there. He made the team last night with that nastiness and pass rushing skill.

The biggest fine of the weekend will go the Suh for that double massive cheapshot he put on Del Homme. I bet that one will cost him $20K and it should.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 7:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was yelling at AIkman for calling the WW hit dirty — so much so that my wife [in the other room on the computer] said, “Who the hell are you talking to??” I was happy when they came back from break and he said, ‘nevermind it was legal’.

by Todd Jewell on Aug 30, 2010 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Aikman and Buck

Have to be the worst number one (for their network) broadcasting team in television.

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 30, 2010 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Two empty suits

They were allright when we were up 17-3 though

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Aug 30, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really? Joe Buck is an insufferable blowhard, but every announcing team has one of those. If you listen closely, you will occassionally here Troy Aikman talk about football. Which — sadly — put him near the top of the list for announcing teams.

by Chibronx on Aug 30, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Can’t stand Joe Buck but Aikman isn’t terrible.

by Mcbeth149 on Aug 30, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I like Aikman’s announcing.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was what shocked me

when we came back from the break and they actually said, “Whoa, my bad. That was clean.”

by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 30, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

I was surprised…Aikmen just got a rec from me on that. And it almost makes me sick to do that…I like Dallas as much as I like Oakland

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same here.

My girlfriend was getting annoyed!

"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 30, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

20K

He certainly can afford it! I agree, completely though. What’s with all the dirty play in the preseason?

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 30, 2010 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know what on Earth Suh was thinking with that hit. It was horrible.

If it was someone like Haynesworth doing that, with all his bad press, it would likely have been worse than a mere fine.

"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 30, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

The NFL could fine Suh $100,000 and it wouldn’t make me flinch. That was a crazy stupid thing he did to Del Homme. If that was Payton Manning or someone of his ilk, Suh would get suspended. Not all men are equal in the NFL.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty impressive how NONE of Delhomme's teammates had his back.

Even my boy Hillis walked RIGHT by Suh. No one wants to jump in that kid’s grill. I’m hoping if he tried that mess with Orton, a few people would be all over him…

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Aug 30, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Personal foul...

Giving him the business…

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cheap shots in the preseasn is about as classy as Pete Rose ending somebody’s career in the all-star game. I do not like the Pittsburgh Steelers.

by Chibronx on Aug 30, 2010 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whoa

Kis said… “playoffs?” After a preseason game? Somebody spike his usual cocktail with some orange koolaid? : )

Thanks for the tracks, Guru.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2010 7:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Kiszla also said this:
When the Broncos make their next Super Bowl appearance, the starting quarterback will be Brady Quinn

With the exception of an anointed few, we’re all wrong sometimes. But Kis has been known to jump to conclusions before.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

i swear

that man is bipolar. On both poles.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fun game last night. Loved the big hits and big plays.

Thompson made himself un-cutable with his play on ST and the pick 6. He’d get claimed by another team within 3 seconds of us putting him on waivers. I’d think he’d make it past St Louis and know he wouldn’t last past Detroit. We’re going to have to trade or cut Jones or the Phonz.

Hunter is also an interesting player. Not sure why Detroit cut him.

Brady Quinn looks like a garbage rookie, but he is entering his 4th season. That guy has no guts and no clock in his head. There are so many things he does poorly, I don’t see how more time with McD will do anything for him. Orton better stay healthy or it’s Tebow time in 2010 and a Top 10 pick for us.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

It’s an interesting dilemma at CB. For me anyway — I would imagine that you have straightfoward advice about who to cut. One option would be to go thinner at Safety since Jones can supposedly cover both positions.

by Chibronx on Aug 30, 2010 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

You think we’d keep 10 DBs (6 CBs and 4 S)? That seems one too many to me.

We’d have to cut a guy like Willis or Mays to make that happen.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Orton didn’t get hurt so much, I’d agree. But Orton gets hurt so much, I disagree.

What was Kyle doing on that non-fumble play? Dude, get the hell out of the way.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

What I've seen...

Were comments that he would carry two active quarterbacks on game day, not two QB’s on the roster.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."

by Alan_Smithee on Aug 30, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Kind of a key difference. All three should be on the roster this season. It’ll be a rotation betw Quinn and Tebow to see who is active, depending upon matchups, Orton’s health and so on.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I say cut him

We saw the disaster of Chris Simms last year, can anybody not see a deja-vu should Quinn replace Orton. Nothanks, methinks I’ll take TT any day over inserting Quinn. Brady looks absolutely lost, which is really sad for a 4 year player in the league.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
"Losing stinks" - Josh McDaniels

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 30, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Or trade him for whatever we can get

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
"Losing stinks" - Josh McDaniels

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 30, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Trade Brady Quinn for a single glow stick.

I think that sounds like fair value.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

How about for a backup RB since we're going to be thin there the first few weeks?

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Aug 30, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I forgot to add

;-) to the bottom of my suggestion….

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Aug 30, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm on board for that one

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
"Losing stinks" - Josh McDaniels

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 30, 2010 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

other options

OL – (8) – OT: Clady, Harris, Batiste; OG: Kuper, Beadles, Hochstein. Damiels; OC: Walton [Beadles as backup OT]

LB – (8) – OLB: Ayers, Moss, Atkins, Hunter; ILB: Williams, Woodyard, Haggan, Mays [Haggan as backup OLB]

They’d have to make a decision on Dumervil and Reid (after the PUP period), but there’s room for 10 DBs.

Here’s an offensive breakdown: (3) – QB; (4) – RB; (1) – FB; (6) – WR; (3) – TE; (8) – OL = 25
Here’s a defensive breakdown: (7) – DL; (8) – LB; (10) – DB = 25; + (3) – specialists = 53

There’s even room for Dumervil if we want, and we may. RB could carry 3 and bring in White or someone else (say Fargas or Hall, etc.) in the event of injury. I’m not high on Brady Quinn but QB is an important position. It makes some sense to take advantage of the 3QB rule because of the lack of impact on the 45 man roster.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Aug 30, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s a good breakdown.

It seems unlikely at this point that both Olsens are going to make the team. I would not be surprised about Eric Olsen, but I really had hopes for Seth, if only because of the Iowa pedigree.

OLB is clearly the tension point. They can’t have both Doom and Reid active and not playing. Even though Mays is an ILB, his pass-rush ability and special-teams skill would seem to make Reid expendable.

by Chibronx on Aug 30, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

the silence is deafening

Seth Olsen reports are hard to find, and no news is bad news. Drafting Beadles and Walton created a real numbers problem for Seth. And picking up a roadgrader-ish OG such as Daniels made it even worse for him. I can’t see us having enough room anymore. I wouldn’t give up on him as a player but his route to success may require an alternative route. Never say never. Attrition creates openings.

Re: OLB. Haggan’s experience at OLB gives us some flexibility at LB. Reid is on PUP and should move to the regular season PUP (inactive? PUP). We can see what our needs are when he’s ready to come off PUP, and they’ll have changed somewhat.

Dumervil might be worth a spot, depending on the doctors’ prognosis. It’s a tough call. Having enough attributes at OLB is my main concern but we’d be carrying 5 if we count Haggan as a part-time OLB and that should be enough. My thinking had evolved on this subject; I can’t see enough value in the bottom of the roster to justify keeping more. Depth can become superfluous after a certain point.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Aug 30, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes, we can change our mind

We have the option of moving Dumervil to IR during the season if, for instance, it looks like he won’t recover fully by the end of the season. Lack of depth (or production or injuries) at other positions could also move us to take that step during the season.

I really need to study up on the roster rules so it’s a good question for someone else.

Dumervil would have to be part of the initial 53 man protected squad but Reid can enter the season on PUP. And that may become part of the solution since Reid provides reinforcement once he’s healthy and off of PUP. In other words, our depth situation at OLB becomes better down the line.

The primary question is whether we want to use Dumervil’s spot on another player and let him recuperate for a full season. Production by players such as Ayers, Moss, Hunter, etc., may make that more attractive since he won’t be missed as much. On the other hand, production by the current OLBs would allow us the luxury of carrying a non-active player. And, I might add, there’s always 7 or 8 inactives anyway.

The main concern is that one player who we might have kept on our 53 man protected list is lost to another team. It sounds trivial but the current discussion on Syd’Quan Thompson illustrates how a single roster spot can be important.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Aug 31, 2010 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ski.. If you have the time and inclination..

I would love for you to do a full roster prediction with all your thoughts about the players and position numbers.. You have a real knack for this stuff. :-)

by HorseStance on Aug 30, 2010 3:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

When you put it that way….. You’re right. They’re going to keep McBath and Bruton. I had assumed Jones would make the team, solely on the amount of PT he’s collected. I wonder what they could get for him or Phonz on the trade market. I’d still lean towards keeping the Phonz, if solely on, ahem, upside.

by Chibronx on Aug 30, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, and i think because Phonz is mcD’s pick and a high one at that, that the Broncs should defer to him. i’d have trouble cutting bait on a guy like that, even if he hasn’t shown anything major yet. it’s a jarvis moss situation to me—one where you need to give the player one or two more shots than anyone else would get. i’d slate next year as Phonz’s midnight hour. … is that a mixed metaphor or something?…

by oxmouth on Aug 30, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

more than upside

CB is a position that’s gained high “positional value” in recent years, because of the increased use of the passing game (advantaged by rule changes).

http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftology.php

http://www.walterfootball.com/positionalvaluepyramidmatt.php

I don’t agree with Matt McGuire on all things (nor Walter Cherepinsky) but I agree with him on this subject.

Alphonso Smith has been uneven in his performance but he’s done some good things which bode well for his future development. The fact that we have other CBs who show promise merely points to the fact that we’re in an atypical position in the NFL. Just ask Baltimore fans.

I wrote on this topic several months ago and raised the subject of a possible 6 man CB corps, which I thought was a fairly high probability (although not necessarily a better than an even chance). Many teams around the NFL had gone to 6 man CB corps and our situation pointed towards us following suit. We have a few too many ‘keepers’ and other positions, such as LB, lose out in comparison. We can always find a LB or RB on the market but starter quality CBs are too valuable to expose. I watched the Steeler game with a mix of delight and dismay because Syd’Quan played himself off our Practice Squad. We expose him and we’ll lose him, so plan B is — promote Vaughn if needed.

There are a lot of teams are trying to develop CBs and many are struggling. I consider Phonz as the victim of an ‘expectations trap." He’s underachieved for his draft position but he’s also been put in an untenable position because of how he was obtained. Nonetheless, his value is still quite high. The fallacy was that he had to play at the level of his traded for draft pick but it’s merely a question of where he ranks versus all CBs regardless of draft position.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Aug 30, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well said

Also, as cut time draws near, what keeps resonating in my head is one of coach’s requisites…versatility. He who brings the greatest versatility will stick. Squid showed some pretty special teams ability last night. I don’t see how we can let that go, as we all know how important field position is.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
"Losing stinks" - Josh McDaniels

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 30, 2010 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Syd and Cox

are reminding me of the year D-Will and Foxy stood up as rookies. Great to see these guys making plays!

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ha Ha

Is James Harrison really trying to make it sound like Kyle Orton was trash talking? I’d believe him if we still had Jay Cutler but come on, it’s Kyle Orton.

Best part was Lendale White lighting up Troy Polamalu on the blitz, this was the play Orton got injured but Lendale just dominated Polamalu like I’ve never seen.

Tebow should be number 2.

Syd’quan should return punts, let Eddie rest this season.

Robert Ayers was dominant at times. Marcus Thomas was eating offensive lineman for dinner. The dude has stepped up his game.

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 30, 2010 8:04 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Can anyone confirm the Marcus Thomas statement?

I saw him a time or threve last night, but I wasn’t watching him closely to get a feel for how well he was really playing. It’s good news indeed if he’s stepping it up. I’ve been pulling for him, and we can use the rotational depth at end and NT, both.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 30, 2010 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that a reception by Gaffney on that play

Thought the ground can’t cause a fumble, and he cradled it all the way to the turf, then it bounced.

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Aug 30, 2010 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he every established control of the football to get credit for the catch.

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 30, 2010 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll have to replay it

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Aug 30, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

This

He didn’t establish control of the ball…you have to grab it and hold on before it is counted as possession.

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Aug 30, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

The football move was absent

They have to have possesion and then make a “football move” in order for it to be a catch if I remember correctly. He got his hanads on it and lost it befoe anyother part of his body touched the ground.

They have reivised the old “ground cannot cause a fumble” rule and it is no longer absolute.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

This

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Aug 30, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think its one or the other

Solid possesion or a “football move”. In this case I believe that since the ground can’t cause a fumble, and the ground is what jarred the ball loose, it was an incompletion

by Warren Todd on Aug 30, 2010 1:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

But the ground always has been able to cause a fumble

The reason people say that the ground can’t cause a fumble is that they’re referring to a player being tackled to the ground, then losing possession. When a player’s knee or elbow touches the ground as a result of contact with a player from the opposing team, the play is over, and so the player can not fumble. If a ball-carrier falls to the ground on his own accord, he can, in fact, fumble the ball as a result of contact with the ground.

In the case of Gaffney, it’s the “football move” or its corollary, maintain possession through the end of a diving catch, that caused the officials to rule that this was an incomplete pass. I didn’t see a replay, but it looked to me to be a legitimate fumble when I saw it in real-time.

by sports_monkey on Aug 30, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Harrison is a punk!

many cheap shots by steelers during the game.

by rocko1 on Aug 30, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think the Harrison thing was cheap. That is football, just like Woodyard’s hit on Dixon.

The Steelers did a lot of nonsense and the refs nailed them for it. Harrison’s play was not among the Pitt nonsense.

Orton needs to be smarter than that.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was a cheap shot

He could have easily stepped over Orton for a TD on the play. He inteneded to hur Orton instead and yes that constitutes a cheap shot.

When woodyard hit Dixon he was making a legitimate play on a QB who still had the ball. It was a clean and legal hit all the way. It was due to hustle and trying to do his job, not an intent to hurt him.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Aug 30, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

It was legal and how I would have wanted our defense to play it as well. Orton did a good job protecting himself while trying to stop Harrison…Harrison just got lower.

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Aug 30, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

And in all reality...

I was taught at the youngest stages of football, if you’re on D and your team recovers a turnover, everyone’s job is to find and hit the QB. It’s not nice, but it’s one of those old football truisms.

But then Harrison opens his mouth, and suddenly the play seems much dirtier….

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Aug 30, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

You are correct!

I just beleive Harrison is a punk, but don’t believe that play was cheap. Yes, KO has to play smarter than that. Going back to his college playing days, thats the type of play Orton gets injured on. Going above the call of duty, instead of just playing it smart and living to fight another play. He’s too competitive at times.

by rocko1 on Aug 30, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

Quitter's People United Member #18

by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 30, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope Orton was talking smack to Harrison

It would show just how far Kyle’s confidence has progressed. But not in a whiny Cutlerish “oh yeah, you suck” kinda way but more in a "We’re going to score and you can’t stop us " kinda way.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Aug 30, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

god Cutler was bad at that. I just cringed when he and Rivers got going back and forth in the press.

The OT: All that AND a bag of meat.

by frightened inmate #2 on Aug 30, 2010 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Especially when it happened

in the midst of ANOTHER 30 + point loss. There’s a time to STFU…

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Harrison is a hgh motor guy.

Orton may well have said “What’s up bro?” and THAT set him off.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I meant "high"

Maybe the “HGH” was a Freudian slip. ;)

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Talk about a heart-attack moment with KO

I really want to see him play healthy this season, and see what that brings. Had hoped that BQ would show more progress in this one, but Legwold’s obviously right, that we have only one solid option at QB right now. (I am optimistic that the others will develop – or at least TT does look like he can get it done at some point).

Love the booming punts and the effective coverage! What a change for the better! And, Thomson made it exciting to receive a punt for the first time in a long time.

by MakeCents on Aug 30, 2010 8:21 AM MDT reply actions  

A Little Something Extra

Also, I almost died of laughter last night when the ref calling the Personal Foul on 23 of the Steelers for giving Brandon Lloyd “A litte something extra” and the gesture the ref made as he said that. For those of you who have it recorded I believe it was on the field goal drive with around 5:00 to go in the second quarter.

Hilarious!

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 30, 2010 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

That was awesome

‘something extra’. I laughed pretty loud at that one.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 30, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Was that by Keenan Lewis?

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Aug 30, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

yup

Couple plays where that kid showed he’s a punk. They showed on replay Tomlin, mad as hell, yelling at him and he just rolled his eyes. What a punk.

"Change is inevitable - except from vending machines."

by EastCoastBronco on Aug 30, 2010 9:11 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

According to sports center,

He then proceeded to smash a glass case in the locker room with his fist as well.

Average Raider Fan's IQ = 89
Bill Williamson's IQ = 75
Find yours by clicking here.

by kwool79 on Aug 30, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fell off the couch with that one!

My wife came in after, so I rewound it…I think there is a new running joke in the house.

by idahobronc on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

You Gotta Love YouTube

Here’s the play and the referee signal.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."

by Alan_Smithee on Aug 30, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

lmao

Did you see how fast he moved away from Tomlin? Looks like he has 4 40 speed there. ; )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

He never looked Tomlin in the eye

I thought it strange he completely disrespected Tomlin by looknig to the side the whole time Tomlin was talking to him. Then he broke away as soon as Tomlin let go of his shoulder pads.

Not only is he a punk, he didnt want to hear what a punk he is. He wont change unless Tomlin does something a lot stronger in the locker room and meetings to reinforce what damage that crap does to their team.

Hes also the one that got 15 yards added to the first pass play by hitting Gafney out of bounds too. Not like it was a one time occurance. That makes him a punk with a captial P.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Aug 30, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tomlin really isn't the sort of guy...

You want to have to look in the eye when he’s pissed. The guy can smash marble with that glare.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is slightly intense, no?

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Aug 30, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Looked like our defensive line had an edge in the trenches all game

it showed more when Ben was pulled, Dixon had little chance to throw.

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Aug 30, 2010 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

I disagree. Our D didn’t look so good when Ben was QB. Unfortunately, we don’t get to play many backup QBs and scrubs in the regular season

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Aug 30, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

… and the world’s a safer place for it.

by oxmouth on Aug 30, 2010 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ha ha

True dat

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Aug 30, 2010 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

So are my daughters

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Aug 30, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shh. We don’t want to start collecting those Steelers trolls who insist Roethlisberger’s a saint. Those guys are insufferable.

by Chibronx on Aug 30, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean, even though my visit there was marked by embarrassement caused by very trollish behavior by one of ours on their site.

….and then I read the rest of the articles i other articles from before the game. I almost went back and “unapologized”, but since our guy was so over the top, I just left. Visiting other sites should only be done on an empty stomach and after taking a good dose of lorazapam.

by idahobronc on Aug 30, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

The DL notwithstanding...

We played without a few notable starters on defense last night. Things may or may not be different if this game were replayed during the regular season but I’m not going to worry too much until the games start counting.

Cause for concern, but you have to take it worth a grain of salt at this point.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Because I'm so happy about it

I need to say it again. WE HAVE SPECIAL TEAMS YA’LL!!! :-D

by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 30, 2010 9:38 AM MDT reply actions  

hooray!!!!

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

HUGE improvement

And a huge deficit we plugged. Yup, ST are looking good!!

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
"Losing stinks" - Josh McDaniels

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 30, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, John.

"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

Quitter's People United Member #18

by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

They have been talking about it on TV this morning

and you could tell during the game last night, that when Tebow came in the energy of the whole team and the stadium shot through the roof. I can’t put my finger on it, but the guy just makes everyone around him and watching that much more passionate about the game.

Making sense of it all takes a whole lot a concentration

by plainview88 on Aug 30, 2010 11:54 AM MDT reply actions  

ROFL

There is someone in the comments over at the Denver Post actually calling for Quinn to start!!! Still laughing, the guy wrote a novel of nonsense to try and argue his point too. My goodness.

Sometimes men wear stretchy pants...just for fun.

Pay no attention to rhetoric, especially in headlines...it would just make you dumber

by Welcome2Boise on Aug 30, 2010 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

It's not me!

Lol

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

And that would be why

I no longer read any comments posted at the DP. I don’t have that many brain cells to spare.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 30, 2010 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everyone's an expert.

I freely admit I know nothing. However, I am pretty sure that at some point the QB is expected to throw the ball and not just hang onto it until he is sacked.

Maybe I am over analyzing; football is a very complex game. But that’s just my gut feeling and for that reason I’m comfortable with Brady as deep on the depth chart as he can get.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA.....thats fair!

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Aug 30, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

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