Roster Math Post-Pittsburgh
Well, that was quite an interesting game. Before Pittsburgh, I thought I had a really good sense of how the roster would shake out, but there were two players in particular that really jumbled things up. I'm convinced we're going to have some shocks and surprises in the next couple of weeks.
One of these two players should be obvious to everyone who was either watching the game or reading the comment threads. The other kind of snuck up on us. More after the jump.
Syd'Quan Thompson may have really screwed the Broncos with his performance last night. I say that with tongue planted firmly in cheek, but I'm one to agree with those who say that Thompson would be good as gone if exposed to the waiver wire. Before last night, the Broncos may have been able to keep him on the practice squad. Now, they might have to give him a valuable roster slot.
As for the other player, I think Stanley Daniels looks much more likely to make the team now. I didn't notice him much except for a pretty darn good run block, but I can't help thinking that Beadles+Daniels is a better combination than Batiste+Beadles.
As for the roster math, we have some information on how many numbers the team invested in each position last season. The question is whether the quality level at certain positions means we stock up on them to a degree. Here's the position by position rundown:
Offensive Line: Before this week, I had Clady/Beadles/Walton/Kuper/Harris, with three backups. Last year we carried nine, and I was thinking we'd carry eight this year. Our scheme is simplified, and I think we're a bit undertalented still in our depth, so no need to stockpile. I was thinking the three backups would be Batiste, Hochstein, and one of the three Olsens, probably Seth. Now I'm thinking Daniels might have stolen a slot. I'm pretty sure Paul Duncan might be gone, since Beadles and Batiste can both do tackle backups. I'm not sure at all what to do about the Olsens - it might be when all is said and done that Hochstein gets the boot. Pick: Clady/Beadles, Beadles/Daniels, Walton/Hochstein, Kuper/SethOlsen, Harris/SethOlsen, with Eric Olsen on the PS. (8)
Cornerback: Yeesh. I know what the fan favorite projections are, but I'm still convinced that the coaches are high on Nate Jones. I don't believe any of our other corners can help play safety reliably. At this point, I'm convinced that Tony Carter will be cut - good player, but our backups are so much stronger than last season. And I believe that Cassius Vaughn will be on the practice squad or cut outright. He's shown a couple of things, but not enough. Smith is better than most fans give him credit for, and he has a lot of experience playing with 1st and 2nd teamers. Jones has enough versatility to make the team. There's a chance that Jones could be cut in the next couple of days since he's a veteran, but otherwise that leaves six corners, and I think the only way we can justify that is if we anoint Thompson our kick returner. And if we do that, we'd be looking at five wide receivers, not six. Pick: Champ, Goodman, Jones, Smith, Cox, Thompson (6, 14)
Defensive Line: Bannan, Williams, and McBean are locks to make the team. Beyond that, things seem a bit hazy. If we were to go conventional, then I would think McBean, Jarvis Green, Marcus Thomas, and either Le Kevin Smith or Chris Baker would make the team. But we're seeing more stunting - we had Ayers at nose last night on his sack. There might be some creative decision making going on here. I haven't heard a thing about Ben Garland, and Jeff Stehle seems destined for the practice squad. Pick: Bannan, Fields, Green, McBean, Smith, Thomas, Williams (7, 21)
Inside Linebacker: This one seems pretty straightforward. We kept five last season, but that was counting Larsen, so we should keep four. Mario and DJ on the inside, backed up by Mays (running downs) and Woodyard (passing downs). Worrell Williams is thankfully practice squad eligible and shouldn't have a problem clearing waivers, and Johnny Williams is the odd one out. Pick: Haggan, Mays, Williams, Woodyard (4, 25)
Outside Linebacker: How nice to know that Moss is assured a slot, and that it's just a question of how much he plays. We'll have a bit of positional drama here later in the season, but in the beginning it's a bit more straightforward. Darrell Reid is on the PUP list and I think he doesn't count against a roster slot. I forget the IR rules, but if we have him on the roster opening day, can't we put him on IR for a ten week minimum, thus opening another slot? Or are those old rules? Kirlew or Alexander could both go on the practice squad. Pick: Atkins, Dumervil, Moss, Ayers, Hunter (5, 30)
Special Teams: Obvious. Pick: Colquitt, Prater, Paxton (3, 33)
Quarterback: Obvious, although I do find myself wondering if we could only go with two quarterbacks. In that case, who would our emergency quarterback be? Pick: Orton, Quinn, Tebow (3, 36)
Running Back: Lance Ball took Justin Fargas' roster slot away from him after week 4. I'm counting fullback in this category, too. Pick: Ball, Buckhalter, Fargas (replaced by White in week 5), Moreno, Larsen (5, 41)
Safety: This has been one of the least controversial positions. I love our depth here. Kyle McCarthy doesn't make the roster. Pick: Bruton, Dawkins, Hill, McBath (4, 45)
Tight End: I think Riar Geer had it dead-on in saying that he was auditioning for the rest of the NFL, I wish him well. I haven't seen much of Overbay or Sperry. At this point, I'm just trusting that the coaching staff intends to hold on to Quinn. Pick: Branson, Graham, Quinn. (3, 48)
Wide Receiver: Because of carrying six cornerbacks, I think we might have room for only five wide receivers. McDaniels was clear that if we carry six WRs, then 5 and 6 need to be special teams players. This is the toughest position to project. Stokley and Willis both miss out. Pick: Gaffney, Royal, Lloyd, Decker, Thomas (5, 53)
I don't like that Willis and Stokley aren't there either, but I am not sure what to do about that. It might be that we could go down to six defensive linemen and keep Willis or Stokely instead of Le Kevin Smith. But really, I am not sure Willis has shown a lot. He's caught some balls and proven a reliable backup, but he hasn't done anything electric. He'll catch on with another team, but we've got a bright future with Royal, Decker, and Thomas.
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cut Quinn
Easy, keep our WR and get rid of Quinn. He’s a liability and Tebow is fine as the 2nd stringer. Quinn has shown nothing except hesitation and indecisiveness. He costs nothing true, but he adds no value and Willis has a HUGE upside. I still have a hard time thinking Stokely gets cut, he has way too much game experience.
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by BigDave on Aug 30, 2010 1:57 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
quinn
If you keep Stokley and Willis, then we’ve got seven WR’s, which I think McD said they definitely wouldn’t do. I suppose it could work with two quarterbacks and six DLs – not sure the coaches would like that, though.
But who's the emergency QB?
I suppose they could pick up someone like Colt McCoy, who may be cut from Cleveland, throw him on the P/S and have him suit up every week. But that’s a risky move.
Actually, now that I think about it, that’s what I’d do. Quinn hasn’t shown he can do that much, and if Orton goes down we’re likely screwed anyhow – both becuase Quinn’s not that good of a backup, and becuase the moment Orton goes down the Tebow circus will start in full-swing.
I would’t keep Stokely, who’s a great guy but is too old IMO, I’d cut Quinn and keep Willis.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Aug 30, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
you cant suit up practice squad
He would have to be one of the 53. You can suit up 45 for game day and 46 if one is your emergency QB
Agree
Quinn has shown he is who most of us thought he was, overhyped and unable to play QB effectively in the NFL.
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Take out Fargas put in Willis, White takes Balls spot week 5, then we pick up Ball if one if our other rbs goes down in the season.
Switch Baker and Smith.. Personal preference..
Other than that looks good. ;-)
by HorseStance on Aug 30, 2010 2:29 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
With a fb as well I don't see it as thin
I’m also not sure Hall and Ball would attract interest from other teams, which could mean they would just be available if we had injury issues, i.e. buckhalter :-(
by HorseStance on Aug 30, 2010 4:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
rb
It would be one less than last season… then again we barely used Hillis last season so maybe it would work.
RB numbers
It’s tough to accept, especially after the injury pandemic of 08, but it’s one position where you can plug someone in without too much trouble. We didn’t actually have much more in 09 because both Larsen and Hillis were classified (at times) as FBs. Larsen also missed the first half or so of the season, besides Hillis’ limited usage. Branson also adds help at FB, so our numbers are a little bigger than what’s listed.
I think we may have to rely on PS depth to cover ourselves. There’s only a small difference between players on the 53 man squad (who may be inactive) and players familiar with our system who are on the PS.
I see us going with RB: (1) Moreno (2) Buckhalter (3) Ball; FB:(1) Larsen (2) *Branson. White is our insurance policy against injury at RB in the first 4 games.
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by Santa Fe Bronc on Aug 30, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Bingo
Willis plays all facets of STs. He will not be cut.
LeKevin Smith sucks. There is no way we are wasting a roster spot on him. They’d keep Baker.
I can’t see us cutting Willis. Too inexpensive. I’d rather they cut Lloyd since he disappears once the real games start.
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That's my fear with Lloyd
he has always been a great pre season player
Lets hope he continues into the regular season.
If we cut Stokley and Lloyd disappears during the season, I will be pissed.
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No way Willis doesn't make the team...
He’ll definitely be on the final roster. All he’s done is make play after play.
Fargas released
Looks like I’m already wrong there – maybe they keep Bruce Hall for the first four games then.
Fargas and Carter already gone, cut Quinn, keep Willis
Brady Quinn has showed me nothing as a quarterback. Willis is far more valuable than a QB who can’t do a thing. He reminds me of Chris Simms last year.
Syd ’quan Thompson looks like a keeper, too.
Neither did Orton in preseason last year.
Good golly why is everyone so critical of Quinn. That’s all he got over there in CLE too, and I know our fans are better than that. This system takes TIME and EXPERIENCE for a QB to run well. Tebow has been the exception to just about every standard you can have for a QB, so his early progress in the system is debateable. Plus he’s got such an intuitive personality which could also explain why he is picking up the flexibility of this offense and the tweaks and quirks of the receivers faster than Quinn. Tebow is also extremely confident and not afraid to make mistakes, which gives him another advantage in this system. Quinn has been torn down again and again by the things happening around him and overly-critical assumptions and high expetations from day 1.
People can go ahead and cruicify him all they want but when I watch him play this year all I see is Orton last year, and look how that has been working out for us. Quinn may turn out just fine. I’m glad the players keep their ears tuned into the lockerroom and their coaches and not emotional fan bias.
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by Alexander Wall on Aug 31, 2010 2:07 AM MDT up reply actions
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He reminds me of Chris Simms last year.
How so? If you mean by how he looks hesitant and like he’s thinking to hard, then I heartily agree, all QB’s look like that in this system their first year (think back to how close a race it was between Simms and Orton last year for the starting job).
However, Simms was slow and weak – while Brady is strong, athletic, and shows great flashes of confidence – none of which I saw in Simms last year. There is no comparison between the two, so don’t even go there.
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by Alexander Wall on Aug 31, 2010 2:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Tunesmith..IMO a couple of problems..
Matt Willis is a lock. sorry
Why do you have Dumervil on the 53? His surgury this month puts him out til the 10th game, at best, probably more til the 13th game. Why make the mistake we made with Pryce? I put Dumervil on IR. Put Alexander or Kirlew in his place and the other PS.
Fargas and Carter are already gone (today).
White is out the first 4 games so there is room to move around.
I am certain between Green/Baker/Smith.
Tough week.
Dumervil
If they put Dumervil on IR before the first day of the season, he’s out all year. McD is thinking about keeping him on the roster. I think after opening day, they can put him on IR and reactivate him late in the season, which would be better. But in that case they’d still have to expose someone to waivers, and then reactivate them later. And yes in that case, best candidates are Alexander or Kirlew.
I’m thinking Bruce Hall might be in for the first four weeks now, and then White replaces him.
Doom is either on the 53 man roster or out for the year.
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Take out both Olsen twins
Beadles can back up both tackles (as well as start at Lg and Daniels can back up both guards and Hochstein will backup center and guard. Hochstein or Daniels can both play a little Tackle if needed.
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Pretty close
Only thing I’m thinking is that if Clady doesn’t play week 1 then there will be a need for a backup tackle and I would like to have 6 WR so where does those players come from?
The backup Tackle (Batiste, Duncan) come from Fargus’ slot. When White comes back Clady should be good to go and the Tackle could be cut.
That leaves the 6th WR which is simple math Doom + 5WR or 6WR
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How has Willis been playing on STs?
I read somewhere he was on the 1st STs if he has performed well then that along with his training camp performance may just put him in the position to get into that 53
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Jarvis Moss
Any chance he possibly gets cut? I know you put him down as a lock on your roster predictions but just reading how Hunter could be poised to pass him as a starter I wonder if it makes sense to drop him earlier in the season and keep Phonz.
Can anyone else see this happening?
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haha
I didnt give it much thought just kinda threw it out there.
He’s terrible in run support and rotoworld is saying Hunter is about to pass him.
I doubt he gets cut as well
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