2010 Denver Broncos Training Camp: Rookie Perrish Cox Rises As Some Vets Rest
On a day when the Broncos gave some veterans a day off - Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins and Brandon Stokley among them, rookies were able to get their crack at playing with the 1st or 2nd teams. Some were able to take advantage.
It was another sun-soaked Colorado morning as the Broncos took the field. On the radio this morning Josh McDaniels spoke of "10-12 players may not workout", in the end it was 10. D.J. Williams, Kenny McKinley, Chris Baker, Champ Bailey, Brian Dawkins, Brandon Stokley, Joe Mays, Josh Barrett, Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter all sat out, joining the three players that have been P.U.P all camp long - Darrell Reid, Jamal Williams and Ryan Clady.
I saw Williams, and he looks good. McDaniels said after practice that Jamal is getting close, even going so far to say that 'tomorrow could be D-Day for that'. It makes sense. Ronald Fields was seen leaving the practice field early. While not with a trainer, Fields was walking rather slowly.
As for the rest of the workout, it continued to follow a similar path. The defense, right now, is strong than the offense. There are good and bad moments for each, but as a general theme, the defense is dominating the play right now.
The practices always start with the team broken into the positional groups. With action happening all over the two fields I tried to walk around a look at all the drills, just to get you all a feel for what is happening. In one area, the D-Linemen were working on fumble drills. I always enjoy the big guys rumbling along, trying to bend down a grab a rolling football.At the same time, the defensive backs were working on a drill keeping a live ball from going out of bounds, with linebackers working on trying to strip the football from a would-be ball carrier. The drills are fast-paced and brisk, each one lasting a few minutes before the group goes onto the next thing.
On the other field, the quarterbacks were working with the wide receivers on throws into the end zone. It gave me a chance to see how each throws the football. A couple things became apparent rather quickly. Brady Quinn really throws a nice ball - especially on touch passes or fades. It is thrown with a tight spiral and falls right on target. Tim Tebow, on the other hand, really struggles when in the 'pocket', throwing across his body. That would make a bit of sense since he has such a long windup. He can't really get the extension and torque throwing to his right when not moving. Again, this drill is run without DBs, a line on either side, just guys running routes and balls being thrown, but when I watch a guy throw three straight passes to his right, short and into the ground from 20 yards away I figured I would let you know.
The team then went into some 11x11 drills, mostly for short-yardage running. Kolby Smith got plenty of carries early on during the workout. He doesn't have top-end speed, which might hold him back in the pseudo-competition, but I like him.
It is during these drills - short-yardage and running game - that the defense really shows it's strengths. We can look at it a couple ways - either we should feel pretty good about our defense right now, or wonder how we'll score more than 14 points per game. Now, some of that could be the fact we are playing with 3rd and 4th string running backs on the first team. No judgment can be made until all the starters are in there.
I will say this is the first time I really noticed Jarvis Green. He is going to be a nice pickup for the Broncos. A savvy veteran that knows how to be disruptive. Nothing flashy, but really annoying to an offense.
I was talking earlier about how nicely Brady Quinn throws the touch passes. He does - they are a thing of beauty. Deep balls are a different story. His accuracy is lacking - that has been a knock since his days at Notre Dame. When I talk about 'deep-ball accuracy' I mean his ability to hit a receiver on a 25+ yard in or out, not necessarily a fly route. I also look for the ball to be put on the receiver where he can do something with it after the catch, other than get de-cleated by a defender.
I watched Eric Decker quite a bit today. As a receiver he is ahead of where Demaryius Thomas is - FOR NOW. That is a big distinction, and not surprising since Decker played in a pro-style offense at Minnesota. Thomas played in the triple-option the past couple of years - big difference. Decker made some rookie mistakes - running the wrong route a couple times for example - which is to be expected since he missed the entire off-season program with his foot injury. What Decker does do well right now is play the ball in the air. He understands how to get in and out of breaks and finds the ball - and plays it - very well as it is coming towards him. That allows him to get his huge frame in between the ball and the defender.
I will say one thing about D-Thomas. He is an imposing figure with the ball in his hands. I don't want you to think I am saying he is playing poorly - I'm not. He is learning how to play wide receiver in an offense he's not used to and it is going to take a bit of time. One it clicks for him, however, he is going to be a monster. You can see he has all the physical ability.
Time to get this morning's star. Rookie-corner Perrish Cox got a chance to run with the 1st team with Champ Bailey taking the morning off and he made the most of it. Cox picked off Kyle Orton twice during the morning - Orton threw a total of three interceptions - and broke up several passes. I mentioned the other day that Cox - while not possessing top-notch, straight-line speed - does come out of his back-pedal quickly and plays in and routes very well. His first interception was just that kind of play - a quick out route to Demaryius Thomas that Cox read, jumped and would have taken to the house. I liked Cox coming out of college, and I've enjoyed how he has played so far. He's a joy to talk to after practice as well.
There was plenty of action during a 7x7 drill. All three quarterbacks saw time, and the defense really flexed its' muscle. Nice defensive plays by Akin Ayodele, Nate Jones - who is still running as the first nickel - and Andre Goodman, who made a great juggling interception on a sweet fade-pass by Brady Quinn to Jabar Gaffney. Goodman made the play, moreso than Quinn threw a bad pass. Tebow saw some reps as well, trying one back-shoulder pass to Thomas at the goal-line that was knocked away by Tony Carter. It appeared that the play would have been P.I. if it happened during a game, and Tebow showed the strength of his arm when throwing the ball to his left. Big difference. Overall, the defense really got the better of the session.
As the Broncos went back to 11x11, it appeared Bruce Hall was getting plenty of attempts at running back. In reality, the coaches are spreading the wealth, giving each of the backs a chance to carry the ball behind the offensive starters.
There was plenty of work on crossing routes, something that plays into the strength of all the quarterbacks on the roster. To me, this is where Kyle Orton shines. Orton didn't have a great morning - 3 picks on the day - but it is practice and you can see he has a firm grip of the offense. It is a far cry form last Training Camp when you could see Orton thinking in the pocket. He trusts what he sees now and reacts.
There was a bit of a shuffle along the offensive line, with D'Anthony Batiste seeing action at left tackle. Tyler Polumbus had been starting on the left side but the Broncos want to see different guys. I thought Batiste did a decent job. Part of me wonders why the Broncos simply wouldn't give Ryan Harris a go. I know McDaniels would prefer to fix one hole instead of creating 2, but left tackle is too important.
The workout ended with another 2-minute drill session. It started with 1st team O vs. 1st team D. The drill starts on the 20, less than 2 minutes to go, the offense down 4 points. Orton started the drill with a sweet pass over the outstretched hands of Akin Ayodele to Jabar Gaffney. Orton and Gaffney really have a solid rapport together. After a throw away, Perrish Cox picked Orton off, ending the first team's 2-minute battle.
Next, the 2nd team offense went up against the 2nd team defense. With Brady Quinn at the helm, the offense was able to drive down the field - with the assistance of a pass interference call on Syd' Quan Thompson on Demaryius Thomas. You know it is P.I. when they call it during a Camp drill.
With a goal-to-go situation for the offense from the 6, the Broncos were bitten by the same things that has cursed them over the past couple of years. A false-start penalty(Marquez Branson holds the team-lead for 'Reminder Laps' so far), followed by an in-completion saw the Broncos with a 2nd and Goal from the 13. That's when Alphonso Smith made an appearance. On a quick-out route to the pylon by Matthew Willis, 'Phonz made a great break on a perfect pass by Quinn to dive and knock it away. In truth, Smith made a few nice plays during the workout this morning. After a sack brought up 4th down, Quinn final pass to Willis was again knocked down - this time a nice play by Cassius Vaughn, ending the 2-minute situation.
The workout ended with the FG team getting some work. Matt Prater was solid, as always, making all but one of his kicks from varying distances.
With that the morning session came to an end. Good or bad, the Broncos are working DAMN HARD on both sides of the ball. The effort is there, and the coaches are teaching, encouraging and most importantly building players up, not tearing them down. The attitude is upbeat. This is important as the days begin to drag on.
Video to come. Go BRONCOS!
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Orton
How do Orton’s throws compare to Brady’s when they are just throwing to receivers in the end zone without offensive/defensive lines?
"I tried to think of the most harmless thing. Something I loved from my childhood. Something that could never ever possibly destroy us. Mr. Stay Puft!"
Sounds like Cox is a playmaker for sure.
Is he also getting burned from taking too many risks?
"as in football so in life"
Perrish Cox is a Pre-Stud!
I cannot yet call him a Stud….although I’m sure that once I see him on game-day I can drop the “pre” and just call him a STUD!!
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
“we should feel pretty good about our defense right now, or wonder how we’ll score more than 14 points per game”
This is exactly what I’ve been saying for a while.
Denver WILL have a good D in 2010 and our O WILL struggle to score points. Losing Marshall (by far our best playmaker and TD guy in 2009) is going to cost us points per game in 2010. Unless someone really steps up NOW, we don’t have any top shelf playmakers on our team anymore.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
by McGeorge on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
That is my fear as well McGeorge.
Hopefully someone steps up. I can see Matthew Willis being to us what Miles Austin was to the Cowboys last year….
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
All I’m saying is maybe it is NOT an either or scenario. It could well be both.
I can’t wait to see with Matt Willis with my own eyes. He is Matt until he earns the hew.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Haha, hopefully he earns the "hew"
"I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness."
"Victory belongs to the most persevering." --Napoleon.
What crap
“He is Matt until he earns the hew.”
His name is Matthew. That’s like saying you are George until you earn the Mc.
It's pretty scary when you have a moment of temporary sanity. Nelson DeMille
I have always wondered about Marshall
He is an obvious talent, but there is part of his game that never ever gets registered in negative statistics towards him or within the media.
When you look at the stats and all the media hype around Marshall he is probaly a top 5 WR in the NFL, you can make an argument as to where he is ranked, but he is upper echelon to be certain.
However i always wondered about the mental side of the game for Marshall…. One example was in the Cleveland Browns game (i think it was) 2 years ago, when Marshall directly caused an interception with his mental lapse deep in our own territory. He was blatantly called out on it by the announcers and i can’t remember another time i have ever heard the WR blamed directly for an interception (because of a mental breakdown).
I always wondered last year how much of the offense that Marshall actually knew. He missed alot of training camp and noone should pretend that he was working hard studying and watching film during his suspension. It is my opinion that he should see exactly what the QB is seeing to be as effective as possible, and that can only happen if he is studying as hard as Orton. So while Marshall is a great talent, I wonder how many times he caused a sack because Orton couldnt trust him to make the proper route adjustment, or an INT by not properly reading the coverage…..etc.
Noone will have the answer to this riddle except the coaches and Orton, but i really wonder if the whole entire package, what we see and what we don’t with Marshall is alot closer to maybe the 15th best receiver in football, as opposed to the popular belief of a top 5 WR
by DW76 on Aug 4, 2010 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That doesn't make sense. And it would be horrible for McD if it did.
Living in South Florida, Marshall is the talk of Dolphins camp. He is killing it. I think we will find that he is indeed a Top 10 WR in the NFL (more like Top 7). He was, without question, a Top 5 WR in 2009.
If Marshall was doing his own thing last year and not running the plays McD and Orton called, he should have been benched ASAP. You just can’t have an AWOL player in the NFL. The offense would fall apart and the QB would get killed (picks, sacks, etc). That would also mean McD is a total wuss and pushover for continually starting (and going to) a player that wasn’t even running the plays that were called.
This would not work consistently in the NFL – a WR running plays that were not called. So I think your speculation makes no sense. Not even a little bit.
Besides, if you are right, we should fire McD yesterday for allowing a player to constantly disobey the play calls for 15 games in 2009. And also for feeding this player the ball again and again. That would send the worst possible message and it doesn’t seem in line with McD now does it.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
not running the wrong routes
I’m referring to not making proper adjustments after the snap. Obviously if his route on a designed play was to be a hitch and he ran a go then he wouldnt have been in the game for very long. i never mentioned such a dumbed down form of his problem.
im talking about adjusting to coverages as they develop, all the elite receivers do it. some like reggie wayne and peyton manning do it far better than others.
I’m sure he is the talk of the town, and i’m sure that Henne will feed him the ball all season and he will look great. but that 10% of the time where he may not see what Henne see’s in the coverage, and Henne throws to the spot that Marshall should adjust too and he doesn’t. those plays we never know about and the media never discusses it.
what i said had nothing at all to do with McDaniels, and had nothing at all to do with the mention of not running the plays that were called.
There is no real point in having a discussion about this issue because it is not something that anyone can answer unless they are inside QB and WR meetings at the Bronco facility…..it is rather humerous though how you can read what i said and find a way to write the response that you did
need moreno to be that guy this yr IMO. that will help the rest.
Always remember Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David.
-- Shug Jordan
by Orange and Blue on Aug 4, 2010 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Defense is going to be very good
With bigger bodies upfront guys like ayers and moss making there presence felt in the pass rush and s good secondary forming we will be tough to pass on. With Williams in the middle and haggan as well we should improve in the run game
"ITS PARTAAY TIME BAABY"
by BDAWKisaBRONC on Aug 4, 2010 1:43 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I think your off on the O mcgeorge
I think the o line will prefom better than last year(not saying much) baring injuries, I think these young guys can do a good job. Orrin has a much better handle the running game will be improved and we have a good group of receivers. But yeah I love this defense right now they should be tough
"ITS PARTAAY TIME BAABY"
by BDAWKisaBRONC on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
It’s on the O to prove me wrong because they proved me right in 2009 and it sounds like they are still well behind in early TC 2010.
It’s early still, but that is about all we can say.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
Idk
It’s hard because the defense has a much better idea of what’s coming in training camp. It’s not like the Broncos can catch them way off guard or anything, and with our RB’s hurt right now, it takes away another dimension completely. I wouldn’t read too much into offensive struggles until they prove it on the field.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Aug 4, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
We've already had the injuries on the o-line
. . . . . . and we have rookies. Clady is Clady becasue he has the feet of a god . . . at least he did pre-injury. It remains to be seen if he will have the same elite mobility after this injury. Similarly, Ryan Harris was injured. It remains to be seen if he’s the same guy. 80% of our o-line is either coming off of serious injuries or they’re rookies. It’s difficult for me to conceive of how they could do better than last year. Combine that with injury-prone RBs and the JAGs we have at RB right now . . . . .
thanks John
I can’t say thanks enough for brining the updates, video, text and hard work throughout camp. I appreciate it. BTW, many MHR shirts on display?
“Broncos are working DAMN HARD on both sides of the ball. The effort is there, and the coaches are teaching.”
Since I was never there to witness, was this not the case with Shanahan?
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
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Club Shanny…
These practices have a much higher tempo and the style seems to be more teaching than anything else…
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No it was absolutely not
Shanny’s TCs were mild compared to how McDaniels runs his (I’ve been to both in the past two years)…much MUCH more hitting in the current regime.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
kind of puts
Hayensworth’s failure to complete his conditioning test in an even worse light, doesn’t it?
I like Josh. But I need Ws.
by broncosmontana on Aug 4, 2010 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
not that it needs it, but yes
Dude..that test is weak sauce…he’s a all around chump
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Did you catch Greenberg use the Broncos as an example
of a team that uses a conditioning test that is way harder than what the Redskins? I had to chuckle when I heard that. Camp Shanny is back. LOL
I like Josh. But I need Ws.
by broncosmontana on Aug 5, 2010 5:50 AM MDT up reply actions
McBath had the only INT
during one of the practices – I’ve read his name several times, always good. The comments on ayers are that he’s gotten a little bigger, is stronger, was a big producer as far as time in the facility during the offseason, knows the playbook and is playing physical (to the extent that the TC situation allows). We’ll have to see what translates onto the field. McBath I have zero worries about.
Gnothi Seauton
Yep, that's pretty much it!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Aug 4, 2010 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
By the way - Ayers brings out his secret weapon
To help the team prepare for noisy confines, the speakers blasted during one of the team periods. Rick Ross’s "B.M.F. (Blowin’ Money Fast)" was played twice, much to the delight of Robert Ayers, who bobbed and danced each time it played. He wasn’t the only Bronco to dance; he just had the best moves, according to this reporter.
From Andrew Mason, yesterday, morning practice.
Gnothi Seauton
Informative as always
I look forward to your reports, John, because you evaluate as well as describe. Maybe Harris hasn’t been tried on the left side because it’s not worth disrupting right tackle if Clady’s close to returning. The guy at left tackle is a placeholder. Encouraging to see Smith playing better. It’ll be interesting to see how last year’s rookies progress. That, and this year’s free agents, is where a lot of our improvement will come. Willis has been a revelation.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Maybe Cox
will be a defensive difference maker for us this year. I echo McGeorge here. I’m worried about the offence. I understand that it’s early and such but there are a lot of question marks. Let’s say 50% of those questions get answered with positive results, that’s still leaves a lot to be desired. A lot depends on rookies and career backups.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
On the offense
Bit premature for the gloom and doom on the offense side of things. Missing a large part of the O-line, and that would be RC, as well as No. 1 and No. 2 running backs. Hard to calculate under the circumstances. Also, D is always ahead of the O. The comment about the problems inside the 10 scoring . . . don’t shoot me, but I will bring up the T word at this point. This is the game changer. A triple threat (pass, run, pitch) option to game plan for inside the RZ. Let’s see how the O does when RC and KO are in the lineup, and the package plays are installed. IMHO, the Broncos will be scoring points this year—especially when Thomas starts stretching the field.
I suppose it all depends on your view
The longview or the shortview.
Shortview is that we are probably not Super Bowl contenders this year.
Longview is that there are some promising young players and at least there is something new, fresh and interesting going on.
Who among us really feel that if Shanahan were still coach that the Broncos would be Super Bowl contenders at this point. Yes, Cutler and Marshall would most likely still be here, but the D would still stink and it would be year 16 of the same thing. I like Shanahan, but at some point, change is good. Its at least entertaining.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Aug 4, 2010 2:43 PM MDT reply actions
Our D-Line
must be our strongest asset this season and I am pleased to hear Jarvis Green looks magnificent. Isn’t it true that McDaniels said Jamal Williams should be ready to go shortly? I HOPE SO. Perrish Cox and Decker looking good, sounds great. As always GO BRONCOS!!!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Aug 4, 2010 2:47 PM MDT reply actions
The D-Day comment...
What did that mean?
When I first read that I thought that he was saying that Jamal Williams will either practice tomorrow or there may be a decision by the team to release him and move on since he is not getting healthy.
Seems to me D-Day is an action point where something has to occur.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Aug 4, 2010 2:55 PM MDT reply actions
the only way I read it is that he’s playing
Always remember Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David.
-- Shug Jordan
by Orange and Blue on Aug 4, 2010 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Brandon Marshall
Obviously there will be growing pains, but here’s the thing about Marshall. I think most defenses by the end of the season had determined to let Marshall have his yards and not let anyone else beat you. It’s almost like coaching against Kobe or Lebron and determining that you’re going to double when you have to but not change your game plan and lock down the other players on the court.
I think the numbers would attest to this fact. The Broncos actually won more when Marshall’s numbers were average than they did when he and 100 plus yards.
I think you’ll see growing pains early, but as the quarterbacks develop more rapport with the receivers, we’ll see a better distribution of looks, targets and catches.
“I think most defenses by the end of the season had determined to let Marshall have his yards and not let anyone else beat you.”
Gaffney had his two best games in weeks 16 and 17.
Denver: 32-32 until we're not.
And the Broncos suffered their worst defeat of the season
Empty yards the whole game
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.
Polumbus
I was listening to a podcast of the radio show hosted by Alfred Williams and Stink and Big Al mentioned Polumbus looked just fine. This seems contradictory to the reports coming out of camp.
What is everyone’s take who has been at TC?
I really hope that our offense doesn't struggle this year
Because the people who can’t dig deep are just going to point to Marshall and Sheffler and say, “look that’s why.” When we have so many issues at O-line, and last year when we had those two guys we still struggled, so they can’t be the deciding factor.

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