Tebow's Throwing Motion Sickness
by ClaysDad on Sep 1, 2010 4:17 PM MDT
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PrintWe have all heard it numerous times by now. Every Tom, Dick and Harry has an opinion on why Tim Tebow won’t succeed as an NFL Quarterback. I, being a diehard Broncos fan, feel otherwise and want to focus on the main reason the pundits say he will fail…the slow delivery / bad throwing motion argument. I am so very tired of this. Even as I am typing I am thinking of how weary I am of this. I want to throw in my two cents worth just so I can vent to someone. Then the next time I hear some yahoo armchair quarterback speaking out of his backside about it, instead of me frothing at the mouth and going into my rendition from memory I can simply refer the malcontent to this post if I feel so inclined. As for the so called MSSM (main stream sports media) and “NFL experts”, I guess I will just have to continue to hit mute every time they roll out their worn-out rhetoric.
Let me start off by telling you that this is my first foray into writing a FanPost so please forgive me for any errors or unclear thoughts. I have lived in Colorado for 37 of my 40 years, and have played many sports at high levels including football, soccer and rugby. I am (or was when I was younger) college level good, but far from a professional athlete. I have played competitive sports of one kind or another since my father lied about my age when I was 4 years old to get me on a 6 year old soccer team. I still continue to play basketball and racquetball at lease 3 times a week. I am telling you this because I feel that I have a decent handle on what it takes to be a good athlete, and I am coming at you from that perspective.
As I stated before, I am fed up with the MSSM and the sticking to the party line jargon when it comes to Tebow’s throwing motion. So much so that I thought I would do a little research of my own. There are numerous books, articles, websites and videos out there that have opinions on what the main characteristics and/or traits are that a person must possess to be a good NFL quarterback. I gathered a lot excellent of information. My findings are listed in no particular order below and understandably, some overlapping occurs.
- Mastery of the Offensive Playbook
- A Deep Understanding of How to Read Defenses
- Accuracy
- Confidence
- Short Memory
- Strong Arm (able to make all the throws, not necessarily to have a rocket arm)
- Timing (with targets)
- Pocket Presence
- Leadership
- Coolness Under Pressure
- Vision (peripheral and down the field)
- Processing of Information
- Football IQ (this is kind of a lazy, all encompassing term but still deserves to be included I think)
- Anticipation (of the rush, receivers movements and routes)
- Toughness
Anybody notice anything right from the get go about this list? Does anybody see anything up there about arm quickness? Throwing motion? Holding the ball high up on your body? I see Accuracy up there at number 3, and that seems kind of related. I don’t even see good mechanics up there, maybe that’s covered under the Accuracy umbrella too. One thing that really surprised me from looking at the list is the number of traits that are mental vs. physical. By my count, 10 traits are mental, 3 are physical and 2 are a combination of both. Now, I am not trying to minimize the importance of a quick release…but I am certainly not trying to completely over blow it either.
Off the top of my head I can name five NFL quarterbacks whom I have heard the critics say had bad throwing motions or mechanics: Ben Roethlisberger, Brett Farve, Kurt Warner, Philip Rivers and John Elway. Yes, John Elway. Every quarterback I mentioned has at least one super bowl victory sans Rivers.
I remember back in the late 80’s, or maybe it was the early 90’s, for about a month or so there were some grumblings by the “NFL experts” at the time who criticized John Elway because of his tapping of the ball prior to throwing it. If you watch most NFL quarterbacks closely you will notice that a lot, I would even stay most, tap the ball prior to throwing it. Elway had a tendency to tap it numerous times however. I can remember watching highlights of games being overlapped by talking panels of experts concerning Elway’s standing in the pocket, looking for an open target and then tapping the ball prior to throwing it. They all said how this was hindering his overall motion, timing and accuracy. They pontificated on how much better he would be if he could correct this problem. Then, as fast as the criticism started, it was over. I never heard why. But I do know his throwing motion never changed. Go back and watch Elway’s throw to Rod Smith for an 80 yard touchdown in Super Bowl 33 for proof.
I saw an analysis of Tebow’s throwing motion on a show called Sport Science. I believe someone posted a link to the video on this site a while back too. If you are interested in it I am sure you can find it on youtube as well. In a nutshell, the clip I saw analyzed his old throwing motion along with his new throwing motion he has been working on in front of a bunch of scouts. The video surmised that if he continued to use his new motion, which included holding the ball up closer to his chin and adjusting his arm motion higher on his back swing vs. the lower motion he has had in the past, he could increase the overall time of the motion by 60 milliseconds. This 60 milliseconds, they said, translates to about an extra 2 feet of distance from an oncoming rusher. Interesting. (Sorry about my convoluted explanation, watch the clip if it doesn’t make sense.) Basically, the quicker the release (the less time the quarterback holds the ball), the less time and subsequently less chance, the rusher has to get to you.
I understand all of this. I get it. His throwing motion could be faster if he sticks with the changes he has worked on. But to keep beating this drum like it is the only thing that matters is crazy. To make it the basis for your argument about why he will fail is silly and frankly unimaginative. I could come up with 10 more reasonable and probable reasons for his failure if I had the notion to off the top of my head.
In this same vein, there are ways to/or traits that can be worked on that will more than make up for the “problem” throwing motion. Say Tebow decided that he didn’t want to change his throwing motion because it decreased his accuracy or timing. What about working on Pocket Presence as an alternative i.e. shuffling your feet in the pocket out of the lane of an oncoming rusher? This I think would more that make up for the 60 milliseconds/2 feet rushing distance. What about studying the opposing team’s defense to such an extent that he learns their tendencies and can anticipate the defenses actions? What about when he learns the offence so well, and works with the receivers for so long that that timing becomes second nature to him, therefore, minimizing the need for a quick release? What if he already possesses other traits on the list in such high quantities that the perceived problem is already more than compensated for? I know, I’m starting to get silly here with all of this, but I think you get my point.
I am not trying to gloss over or even minimize for that matter, his throwing motion. I am simply attempting to put it back into proportion. It is a minor issue that should be treated as such and if it is possible to work on it without decreasing the other traits then he should. Just like every other quarterback who works on technique at every practice and during every drill. Let’s face it, he will probably never fix it to the satisfaction of the MSSM.
I listened to an interview of Joe Montana the other day and the interviewer asked him how he thought Tebow would do in the NFL. To paraphrase, he stated that he thought Tebow would be fine, and went on to mention that he thought that footwork was far more important than throwing motion. He also said that Tebow has the ability, was physical and tough enough, and that he has been shown to have a good work ethic which he stated was the key.
What is unfortunate is that the mention of Tebow’s name is now becoming synonymous with having a poor throwing motion. The MSSM has just drilled this into people’s heads so it is almost an automatic thought response. You get the idea, the mere mention of certain people’s names conjures up thoughts and/or emotions. I think this is beginning to happen with Tebow.
My own personal number one trait for a successful NFL quarterback is to be able to move the chains. I realize this is a bit unsophisticated and admittedly uninteresting but this is what it really boils down to. In all research I did I only saw one other person who mentioned this. No matter what a quarterback’s skill set is, or what traits they may or may not possess from the list, as long as they keep the chains moving they will be successful. I believe Tebow has this trait in spades.
I know what a lot of you are thinking to yourselves by now. You’re thinking that I am a Tim Tebow apologist. That I am a huge fan who has followed his career since High School and on and on. But I am not, in fact, although it may seem otherwise, I truly do not care if he ever becomes a quality NFL quarterback. Seriously. My opinion is that he will, but if he doesn’t I won’t lose any sleep over it. What I am is an unabashed Denver Broncos fan. I want to see my team win the Super Bowl and don’t care who is quarterbacking when we do so. I’m simply a homer with an axe to grind with the so called “NFL experts”.
So in closing, I want to have little fun and turn this around a little bit. Let’s talk about some of the attributes that Tebow already possesses that other NFL quarterbacks could use.
Just think how great Eli Manning could be if he only had Tebow’s leadership ability. What if Joe Montana and Peyton Manning had his scrambling ability? What if Jamarcus Russell and Matt Leinart had his work ethic? Just think how great Drew Brees could be if he had Tebow’s height. Wouldn’t it be great if Ben Roethlisberger had his integrity? Feel free to add to the list in the comments section.
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Well it is quite obvious I messed something up format wise on this post. Can anyone give me a clue as to how to fix it and repost it?
Try to cut and paste the body and repost. Good post by the way. I agree.
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See, you had to fix your posting motion!
I agree that the throwing motion thing is overblown, but every little bit helps and if he can improve his motion to get another half a second in the pocket without detracting from his other qualities, then he should do it.
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throwing motion
I kind of like it because it makes the play more exciting. He rears back to pass… there’s a linebacker coming straight for him… time stretches out… haha
by tunesmith on Sep 1, 2010 4:45 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
While I agree it's being blown out of proportion, you can't argue that he's going to
need better/longer protection, with more “room” to throw or shuffle his feet to avoid pass rush. I don’t agree that it’s going to be his down fall…but that footbal takes awhile, comes pretty far out from his body, and really kicks up that back leg to get the ball there. If he can improve on everything by half ( he’s never really going to completly fix it) then he has WAY more than enough of the rest of the stuff to be one hellofva QB. It’l be fun to see all the playing time he gets this Thurs. Nice “rant”.
on the contrary...
that study on sports science that proved a “2 foot” difference also used an unblocked defender running full speed at Tebow! Now, if there was no offensive line blocking defenders, then I’m sure all defenders would be 2 feet faster!
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Or else I’d rec’d a hundred times. Great article!
by BroadwayBroncoFan on Sep 1, 2010 5:24 PM MDT reply actions
Well, most of the important aspects of post writing are mental.
Typing speed and technique, while currently holding you back from being an elite MHR poster, can be taught through lots of repetition. Please keep posting.
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Really? First post? Impressive!!
I’ve been meaning to write this post for a while now but I’m glad I didn’t; you did a much better job than I would have. I completely agree that the most important piece of equipment a QB needs is a brain – there is a reason they are called field generals. The road to hell is paved with good talent (at least I think that’s what the cliche says). Attitude is more important than talent. Persistence is often more important than talent. And character is way more important than talent. And by talent, I mean mechanics: throwing motion, footwork, distance, and even accuracy. What makes Manning, Brady, and Brees exceptional QBs is their ability to get the ball to the correct (open) man. What makes Philip Rivers exceptional is – nevermind. I hate Philip Rivers. I thought Doug Flutie would have made a great QB if he was given half a chance. But, his knock was he was too short. Spare me: the guy just won. Tebow is starting to get Flutie’d: the MSM has deemed him unworthy and they’ll stick by their guns so they don’t end up looking bad. I think they’re going to lose this staring contest, though. Tebow is the kind of guy you don’t bet against.
So let’s give some of Tebow’s attributes to other QBs. How about we give his rookie haircut to Joe Namath?
Wherever you go, there you are.
Measure a player using character, intelligence, and talent. In that order.
AMEN! (no pun intended)
Would anyone say Larry Bird had a great looking jumpshot? Remember everyone told Jerry Rice he was too slow? Shannon Sharpe and Rod Smith played at tiny schools and got almost no attention by NFL teams coming out of college. Brees is too short. London Fletcher is too small to play LB. Randy Johnson’s delivery was too sidearm. I’m so tired of the punditry offering their BS opinions of why this player will succeed but that player won’t.
If these people were right, all those consensus can’t-miss first round picks would be stars. Like Couch, JaMarcus, Leaf, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, David Carr, etc. etc.
Let the kid play and let’s see what happens. I’m betting he’ll be a winner like he always has been.
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by GrizBronc on Sep 1, 2010 5:51 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good article
but I think your list is missing at least one important trait: Protect the football
A weakness of Tebow’s throwing motion is protecting the football in two ways. The long backward reach gives defenders more of an opportunity to cause a fumble or mis-direct the pass. The low release gives rushers more of a chance of deflecting passes.
I’m not saying he can not overcome this weakness, but it is a weakness that increases the chance of turning over the ball. Turnovers are huge, so somehow Tebow will need to keep turnovers below average if he is to become a top QB.
We have recently lived with two QBs who turned the ball over too much – Cutler and Plummer. They did it by throwing to defenders. Tebow did that too last game – so he will need to get a lot better with his decisions/throws, because it is likely he will have more “fumbles” throwing the ball, than Cutler or Plummer.
ClaysDad, I think you misssed your own post! :D
Your answer should have been that pocket presence, coolness under pressure, and vision (peripheral) could easily overcome that tendency. He has had a few fumbles, with his Senior Bowl exposure unfortunately being the worst timing one could have. One could make the judgment for his defense that he was playing in a new system with new players, and therefore had even further delay getting the ball out on time. Throw in the “escapability” phrase, which I would redefine to mean he has the mobility to roll the pocket or himself outside the tackles and get more freedom for his throwing motion, and it again comes down to how well he does the whole package of things a QB must do, not just the motuion. Thanks for the post.
Cutler was able to fumble the ball with nobody around him.
LOL, See SD-Den 2008. The Hochuli call. I know I spelled his name wrong.
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by Jason Witte on Sep 1, 2010 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not only deflecting passes
But the tendency to bring the ball down is a lot like a center in basketball bringing the ball below his waist. It makes it a lot easier for pass rushers to knock the ball away. A ball that is down by the knee and has to come all the way up to the shoulder not only takes longer to secure, it’s physically harder to secure or protect during that path, making it easier for a “chopping” pass rusher to cause a fumble with a downward swing…
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This is a moot point, IMO
QB’s get stripped of the ball ALL the time when tackled from the blind side. No matter how “tight” your throwing motion is, the ball is getting stripped by Doom!!
Agreed on both points
A- Good Article and B – It will be a problem for ball control/interceptions.
Simple QB fundamentals involve having the ball up and closely guarded for that reason – fumbles and quick release. Turnovers certainly won’t move the chains and we all know that they can create some serious momentum for the opposing team.
One thing that made Dan Marino a great qb was his quick release. Every top defensive player who ever played against him mentioned it. And I’m not just talking about Defensive Ends who thought they had a sack then “bam” the ball was out of his hands like that. Cornerbacks and Safeties are waiting to jump a route and nothing would increase Champ Bailey’s ability to intercept a ball more than to have a qb with a slow windup. It’s a true liability.
But can it be overcome? Some of the best qb’s to ever play – John Elway and Brett Favre – were pretty turnover prone in their careers so obviously yes it can without any improvement.
And I think the overall intent of this article was spot on. The media doesn’t know sh!t. very few of those criticizing his mechanics probably bothered to do the amount of research you did and they get paid to do this for a living. Nice work!
And he was the 25th overall selection. Our 2nd overall selection. And arguably the best college player to ever grace the field. Unbelievable all the haters!
by OC Bronco Fan on Sep 2, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions
He doesn't commit too many fumbles although you could argue any are too many.
That isn’t realistic though is it? His hands are absolutely huge even for a man his size giving him a lock on the ball with one hand that everyone envies. Also, he has enormous hand strength which isn’t mentioned very often. He gets away with dropping his arm low and bringing it up because he has the hand strength to make that motion natural to him. Elway also has enormous hand strength and squeezed the ball really hard before throwing it which was a liability in wet weather, which he admitted after he retired. We haven’t heard anything about Tebow in wet weather because his hand strength is complemented by enormous hand size allowing a sure grip.
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Awesome first post!
I look forward to reading any future posts of yours, this was very well written and thought out.
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Well done CD
Very well done, especially considering it’s your first time!
On the telecast Thursday nite for what it’s worth Troy Aikman said he’s never been a fan of trying to change a QB’s motion.
You have a lot of the “John Claytons” of the MSSM trying to let us know how smart he/they are IMO.
The QB position is set.
Yowsa! Tebow Born with 6 Fingers on Throwing Hand.
I think you’ve hit the nail squarely on the head. Great first post and a definite rec’d!
I’m actually a fairly well-noted media scholar and critic. Most people don’t even know there are such people, since they only attend to MSM, but I’ve carved out a fairly good niche and fine lifestyle traveling around the country teaching people how Mass Media really works. Check out my website link under my profile if you care to know my credentials.
News, and sports news as well, tend to play follow the leader. It’s expensive to actually pay someone to get off his or her butt and travel to the place of a story and then research the facts and actually do a decent job reporting it. As a consequence, news producers tend to play follow the leader. Soon as someone reports anything, like say, Tebow had 6 fingers on his left hand at birth, every other news outlet would jump on the story and report it. They do this from fear for being scoped, and because it’s inexpensive to do. The problems with this style of reporting are all those you innumerated above. Of course, little to no fact checking is done, as that costs money, too. It also creates the possibility that not only will the outlet doing the re-reporting be seen as missing out on a hot story, but they will also be creating a void for their multiple channels of “news” that must be filled 24/7. So reporters cover their butt by reporting that somebody else is reporting the story they’re re-reporting.
And forget about any thought being given to the significance of whether or not a story is worth reporting. Thoughtful analysis that takes time (which cuts money) as well as putting a story in perspective are traits that are culled from reporters starting in J school. The reporters who get the promotions and featured stories are not the ones being thoughtful. They’re the ones with the best ability to tow the company line and SCARE up consumers of their stories.
Just look at the reporting leading up the the Iraq Invasion by our Beloved Country. No one in the MSM bothered to report whether the dangers being sold to the public by the powers that be were were real or not . They simply parroted the the most scary story being told—about how we were all going to die from Weapons of Mass Distraction (er, destruction) if we didn’t do some Saddam butt-kicking asap. The Tebow throwing motion story is no different.
And because the folks working in the MSM and MSSM are basically so inbreed, each little mountain becomes a mole-hill and each new story includes a re-report of the old story (as recycled news is cheaper to produce). Thus after a while, it becomes cast in stone. Tebow was born with 6 fingers on his throwing hand!
That’s why MHR and posts such as yours are a breathe of fresh air. Of course Tebow is unique. And his style may leave him vulnerable to having the ball stripped from time to time. But saying that over and over to the exclusion of all else is such a small and pitiful part of the story about Tim Tebow and his potential to be a winning or losing QB.
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by Santa Fe Bronc on Sep 1, 2010 6:38 PM MDT reply actions 8 recs
Kinda like the news story last week about Revis's imminent arrival at Jets camp...
That was completely hilarious on Hard Knocks last night when the Jets management were sitting around a table watching the media machine get a story wrong. Started with an ESPN guys and then everyone else followed along like lemmings.
It’s a sad day when sports “journalism” has come to this….it’s a deplorable day when the “real news” media has lost any ounce of credibility/objectivity they once had.
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Now that was funny. Guess management is always the last to know...lol
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Great perspective!
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by broncosmontana on Sep 2, 2010 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep, er kinda anyway
He threw from any angle he could. Of course that was back in the day when all that mattered was getting the ball to your receiver and winning. Althoiugh he was a most hated raider, i really liike the way he played.
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Wow, blast from the past. He was an Oiler too. And a damn good QB at that!!!
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Don’t worry about it. As an ignorant redneck, I’m qualified to say that.
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I remember watching him play and the then historic trade between Houston and Oakland. That would have created a real firestorm in today’s online community. It was big then!
That man deserves a spot in the hall of fame.
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Don’t worry about it. As an ignorant redneck, I’m qualified to say that.
There was an SI article that I found interesting
It was done back in mini camps with Tebow and McDaniels and it had some interesting quotes from McDaniels that basically admitted that his motion was horrible and he would never have consistent accuracy because of how his mechanics changed his release point so much, and McDaniels and Co were working with him to keep his right arm in so he wouldn’t be spining so much by having him hold a towel between his arm and chest and throw the ball. McDaniels understands that successful QB’s need to be accurate and key to accuracy is consistent mechanics. Tebow does not have good mechanics, can he improve these things, hopefully he can, but long term success as a QB in the NFL I think you need to have the ability to have accuracy, and having solid fundlementals leads to accuracy. I actually think it is really more an issue with his footwork than his motion to say, once he gets the footwork down, it is easier to get a consistent motion down.
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Good retort Broncoman.
I’ll say this: As disgusted as I have been with his throwing motion, I’ve been pleased with his in-game accuracy so far. Yeah, he can throw some passes to better spots, but he has looked really good short, middle, and long so far with putting the ball in a good place.
Brushing his throwing motion under the table is as bad as overreacting to it. He WILL need to improve it or there WILL be in-game consequences. It is as simple as that. Getting a better throwing motion does nothing but help him be a better QB.
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What do you say to the talking head QB's who say you should never mess with throwing motion?
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The only guy I've heard say that so far is Steve Young
And I tend to not listen to that tool shed
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Not sure I agree with Broncoman here...
I tend to agree with you ClaysDad. I’m of the opinion that if Tebow’s decision making and football player mentality and work ethic are as high as everyone says, he will be fine…even if he doesn’t really improve his throwing motion. Sure…maybe he might have some additional fumbles, but isn’t his track record one of accuracy? I mean, in comparison to a number of highly touted QB’s coming out of college, doesn’t his rank way up there? So, yes, maybe his release takes a bit longer, which puts him in harms way a bit more often…but maybe his footwork buys him that extra time, and maybe his decision making ability limits the number of bad throws he makes, and maybe his velocity is able to get the ball to the receiver quicker. I don’t know how it is all going to pan out, but I can tell you this…Tebow won’t be a bust as a QB because of his throwing motion…and Tebow won’t be a QB because of his throwing motion. He WILL be a QB or he WILL be a bust because of everything put together. IMHO.
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by gcman on Sep 2, 2010 6:21 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
College Accuracy
The naysayers argue that his college accuracy was a direct result of the college receivers he had to throw to. That his receivers were heads and shoulders better than all other quarterbacks.
I agree with you though. His college numbers were right up there with the best. The motion may or may not cause additional turnovers. Maybe his mobility will make up for that. Or maybe he develops a real deep knowledge of his receivers and the playbook and makes quicker reads as he develops. Time will tell. All I know is he already looks better than the other 4th year quarterback on our roster, and continues to improve.
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by OutOfYourElement on Sep 2, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
That's right
I think his accuracy, especially on the long ball, is remarkable for a pro QB fresh out of the box. I wasn’t in favor of drafting him, but after seeing him play it looks like he’s the real deal and is going to get better and better. Tebow rises to the occasion, as a previous QB here conspicuously didn’t.
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I can't count
the number of fabulous Number 1 picks that have come out to save the NFL, XX Team, Break all the records…..
LoL… OK, Whatever…. I don’t care what everyone says except for the entertainment value. Brian Bosworth? Ring a bell? I am sure Everyone in Seattle remembers him.
Our very own John “the legend” Elway, was a bust his first year. Most fans wanted to run him out of town. Good thing they didn’t !!
Go read SFB’s post. Good Stuff there. Time will tell, and only time will tell. Let the talking heads talk.
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Don’t worry about it. As an ignorant redneck, I’m qualified to say that.
In that last game vs Pittsburgh
I thought he was going to be stripped of the ball on one play. I’ll have to go back to the tape to find it. Basically a defender got free of his block and was coming from his blind side. I saw the ball go down (Tim had no idea the defender was getting close) and I thought for sure it was going to be a turnover. The next thing I knew it was a 15 yard completion. So much for a slow wind up. At least it looked ok on that play.
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I know the exact play you're talking about
In my brief time in watching TT, I am realizing more and more that it is not how he does it, it’s just that he simply does it.
I think this is what drives people crazy.
Especially the MSM. People like TT have “it.” Nobody can tell you exactly what that is or means, but you generally know it when you see it. I don’t care about any throwing motion or any other potential drawback he may have. The fact is, he has looked pretty damn good so far to me. He is certainly light years ahead of Quinn. I’d be willing to be the farm that there are some other teams right now with a case of the shoulda, woulda, couldas.
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Part of "it", in my opinion
is having the drive to do whatever it takes to get the job done, including fixing or improving whatever needs to be fixed or improved in order to increae your ability to get the results you want. Fixing his mechanics is part of “getting it done.”
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BUT
the NFL is not the SEC. He could get away with that routinely in college because of his athleticism. Like he found out on his TD run in the Bengals game, the Ds here will also be full of the best athletes around….
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"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
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I can’t recall you being so negative on any other subject. I am not a big Tebow fan and still I see the ‘It" factor so often mentioned. This is one kid that can make football fun again. I don’t want to say he should be starting, but I do think he could. Mr. Tebow will find a way to win. Dare I say it?? Yes….. Tebow=Elway. There, I said it. The it factor has no bounds, can’t be defined. It is there. Brady is a good #2, Orton is our man. But…… TT will be breaking records in the NFL……..
someday………..
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Don’t worry about it. As an ignorant redneck, I’m qualified to say that.
I don't mean to be negative at all.
I think the kid has the chance to be special, if brought along correctly. I also think he is someone I will be proud to have as the face of my beloved Broncos, unlike our last “franchise” QB. I just think there’s nothing wrong with a dose of reality. Like I’ve said on other posts, I just want them to do everything possible to improve his mechanics to give him (and the team) the best chances at being successful.
One of my favorite things about TT is I’m sure he would tell you that he always wants to improve. I don’t see that as negativity.
- Nick
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- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth
You're talking about the play he scored a touchdown on.
Yeah, I know he got dinged up, and I know everyone thinks he should’ve recognized the lack of importance, but really, I want a QB who thinks every play is important (cause they are), and I want a QB who scores,… a lot.
When rookie RB’s (who are usually smaller than Tim) take hits on TD runs, no one says, “look, he got hit, he won’t be squat because there are better athletes hitting him.” They say, “Touchdown!!”
I hope everyone keeps waiting for him to be proven too weak to run,… I’ll just keep yelling, “Touchdown Tebow!!” And adding to his total, like he did in college. I expect injuries, but this is football, no matter how much the league thinks QB’s shouldn’t be touched.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
No, I want him to go for the TD every time, my point was
he can’t count on being able to outmuscle or out-athletisize (?) the D. He could do that in college, but the NFL is full of “the best athletes.” And occasionally I want him to slide. I’d rather see him slinging touchdowns and winning Super Bowls 10 years from now, as opposed to having him be a cautionary tale about concussions…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth
I had the same reaction on that play.
So I replayed it at least 10 times. My take; He seems to have exceptional peripheral vision (one of Claysdads points) and while he didn’t necessarily look at the defender he seemed to be aware of him and threw an absolute strike to Willis. It could’ve been luck or just the natural timing of the play but it looked like he put a little extra acceleration into the throw to get it out on time.
"as in football so in life"
GREAT POST..................
Especially for your first one. Recced and jealous that I can’t write nearly as well as you. Also, I completely agree with you on all of it. I’d like to strangle the MSSM every time they bring it up.
CHARACTER, INTELLIGENCE, and HARD WORK often beats TALENT but what happens when you load up on all 4???????????
AWESOME POST!
I do have some concerns with his throwing motion, but this is a beautifully-written post. I can’t believe you apologized for it ahead of time. The only thing you need to apologize for is not writing more.
Great analysis, and really enjoyable to read.
REC’D!
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth
Rec'd and great article!
In a nut (which is INSIDE the nutshell) all it really boils down to is: Can he get the ball to his WR/RB/TEs hands? Point blank, period.
If his playmakers are doing their job and in the right place, Tebow’s only concerns are either A) Getting the ball to the playmaker, or B) making the play himself if the Defense has properly defended the play. It doesn’t get any simpler than that. It doesn’t matter if he throws the football like a softball pitcher – if the guy can keep the chains moving (via getting the ball to a target, or doing it himself if that target is defended) then he will be successful.
Even if Tebow got strip-sacked for a fumble once or twice a game for his whole career I wouldn’t matter – that is if because of his athletisicm/determination enabled him to recover the ball and then make up for the mistake the following play. If we win a Superbowl with that happening, count me in.
These OCATT-people (Overly Concerned About Tebow’s Throwing-motion) are water off a duck’s back. I couldn’t give two hoots about what they say. They’re meerly wasting their time – and life – by hanging on subjects like this and only giving Tim more fuel to rage the fire. I’m about ready to applaud them for their stupidity and ignorance. Lmao.
"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes
Wow my grammar was horrible there. So many typo's. Let me try this paragraph again:
Even if Tebow got strip-sacked for a fumble once or twice a game his whole career, I really wouldn’t care too much – that is, if only because of his athletisicm and determination he was able to recover the fumble almost every time and make up for the mistake the following play. If the Broncos win a Superbowl with Tebow operating like that, you can sign me right up (let’s hope not, but hey – does it really matter?).
"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes
by Alexander Wall on Sep 1, 2010 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Now I'm lmao AW..
Your redo was composed so much better! FTR (for the record) I like your first take better.
"as in football so in life"
You must be joking
Getting strip-sacked 1-2 times per game will not win football games and will result in benching any QB who does this with that kind of consistency. I’m not saying Tebow will do this – just saying that that level of ball protection is unacceptable.
Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
Hard to argue that it's unacceptable...
When it (strip sacked) hasn’t happened once yet. At thispoint it’s speculation to say that he will or won’t. Could be that his athleticism and peripheral vison will ofsset the the timing difference.
"as in football so in life"
I think you forgot the second half of that statement,
“make up for the mistake the following play. If we win a Superbowl with that happening, count me in.”
The only thing that matters is the W.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
I've held back, but I need to chime in here...
First, nice first post!
Second – ninety percent of the commentary on TT’s throwing motion is complete and utter dribble – parrot droppings!
Tebow’s wind-up was/is less than perfect but that’s no big deal. What was a big deal was his front-side mechanics. they were atrocious!!!
However, he has made massive strides to fix these. All the talk about his windup is evidence of talking heads who haven’t a clue what they are talking about so they just parrot something someone else told them. A list of QB’s with long windups would have to include Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Kenny Stabler, Boomer Esieson, John Elway, and Brett Farve. They never amounted to anything, only 18 SB’s and 10 victories.
On the other hand, you would be hard pressed to find any successful QBs with poor front-side mechanics. However TT seems to have really improved his front side. A few more seasons and he could be a big league QB.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Sep 1, 2010 10:55 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
+1000....
I wrote a whole article on Tebow and the ridiculous crap about his action.
Always love to hear from you SWG!
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Its like a pitcher
I think the argument can be made that throwing mechanics relates to accuracy, velocity, distance and, somewhat, protecting the rock. We all agree that these things are important, and that one of the coaching staff and Tebow’s priority should be working like hell to ensure that his mechanics are the best that are possible for him.
Thanks for an interesting, nicely written, read.
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by littletinybroncos on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 PM MDT reply actions
Having said that
I don’t like the way he runs!
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by littletinybroncos on Sep 1, 2010 11:10 PM MDT reply actions
Lol
people thought he could be a tight end. It was a freak incident that he got hurt on that one play. He will run all. day. long. He’s bigger than a good fraction of linebackers. The only way I don’t like his running is if he gets blind sided.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Good thoughts
As I said from the outset, his throwing motion is simply not a reason to NOT draft him. His mechanics haven’t affected his in-game accuracy yet, though he had a near fumble from behind which was the reason people are/were concerned. I think you made a good point talking about his preparation for certain defenses, his footwork in the pocket. Brett Favre has seemed to make a solid career out of a more exaggerated baseball throwing motion than Tebow, and Tebow has all of his intangibles and then some. And he’s a way better athlete.
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Sayre...you were all over this from the start. Kudos again my friend. Tebow looks good and the game does not look too big for him.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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When a baseball pitcher is placing his landing foot an inch either side of where he "should", it affects his accuracy and velocity.
Footwork, front side mechanics and throwing motion make a considerable difference with them.
I remember a picture of TT during TC with a long windup. I saw nothing of that Sunday night. I was not a fan of his before the draft – in fact, a little torqued that we took him. However, he is a Bronco and I hope he sets the NFL world on fire now.
Hopefully he won’t be needed much, if at all, in the regular season. That is where we will see how effective he will be.
Good post, CD.
"What if he already possesses other traits on the list in such high quantities that the perceived problem is already more than compensated for?"
This is the point I’ve been trying to convey to my friends. Yes, his motion could cause the occasional fumble, but this risk is more than compensated for by everything he brings to the team. Things that maybe have never been brought together in such perfect combination; size, strength, speed, drive, and natural leadership that is simply unmatched. Oh, and he’s a touchdown machine. The future is bright people!
by about_to-get_winked! on Sep 2, 2010 12:49 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Shannon Sharp wish's we still had Cutler.
I love Shannon, but what is he thinking? Honest to Pete! That’s a QB with a big arm and quick release, and all he does is throw pics faster to the other team. He’s a guy who’s afraid of the contact and can’t read defenses. And, oh by the way, he can’t lead and has never won anything— college or pro. All sizzle, no steak. The bobblehead’s at ESPN, Fox, NFL, etc love the guy— go figure. They’re still trying to find something to cheer about Leinart. Good luck with that.
I’ll take my chances on Tebow’s exaggerated thowing motion any time, anywhere. When he get’s his shot,—and he will because I don’t think Orten will hold up physically all season,—Tebow will make good things happen with great leadership skills, smarts, escapability and shear determination to win. Book it! And, oh yeah, he’s got one heck of a rifle for an arm too. Good, even great QB’don’t all have rocket arms, they are successful by making the other 10 guys around them better. Nice post.
Nice Irish wit !
That’s a QB with a big arm and quick release, and all he does is throw pics faster to the other team
"as in football so in life"
Great article really enjoyed reading it
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Rec'd, Thanks for the good article
I was one of the people who hoped we would draft him, and have been pleased with his progress. This is one dude who has POTENTIAL… can’t think of many that come out in the draft that have so many intangibles in place. Having a flaw as a rookie is expected. If anyone has the drive to be great it;s Tim.
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there is no need to be so defensive about Tebow's throwing motion as some are
He’s done some good things in preseason. Made some nice throws and lead some nice drives. Now how hard is it to admit that he could be even better if he didn’t expose the ball to defenders as much and get the ball out a little quicker. With any other athlete it’s fair game to discuss their technique issues, why not him?
Debating it away, collecting quotes that agree with your position and collecting lists of other successful quarterbacks with apparently similar styles does nothing to change reality.
I think the complaint is overemphasis on one technique issue, not that it is brought up at all.
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If Jay Cutler had Tebow's attitude, this post would have never happened.
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by orangeblood on Sep 2, 2010 6:23 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Wow
Just think how great Eli Manning could be if he only had Tebow’s leadership ability
I don’t know… He lead a team to a SuperBowl win and won the SB MVP…. Lets let Tebow lead something other then the 2nd string before we tout his amazing physical and mental attributes…
I'll play along with the question you posed at the end!
“So in closing, I want to have little fun and turn this around a little bit. Let’s talk about some of the attributes that Tebow already possesses that other NFL quarterbacks could use.”
I can’t resist.
Jay Cutler could really use a short memory.
I’m not being antagonistic either. If he’d been able to shake off bad plays in the past, he might still be here. He gets mad and that messes him up for the rest of the game…..
Last week we saw Tebow throw a pick, and the next drive he came back an drove down the field for a TD.
Great first article, and I’ve also posted similar thoughts in other threads….you try to change him too much, and you might mess up other areas he already excels in.
I think the future is bright, and TT is in an awesome situation (ala Aaron Rodgers) where he isn’t pressured to win right now, with a terrible team around him. See Sam Bradford…….
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Elway
I distinctly remember, back in the day, a (likely) ESPN feature comparing Elway’s throwing motion to Marino’s. Marino had a quick release, touch, and accuracy to spare when compared to Elway. I honestly don’t recall their conclusion to the analysis, though you can imagine, since Marino started out much “hotter” than Elway (going to the Super Bowl in only his second season).
Can Tebow succeed with what he has? I think so. Will Tebow be a better QB if he can improve his mechanics? Yes; and I think both he and McD understand that. I do look forward to seeing him develop, but I mostly hope for a healthy Kyle Orton this year, and a playoff season!
It's not all or nothing
I’m of the opinion that every little bit helps. Tebow will be a good and maybe great quarterback if his mechanics don’t get changed at all, but he’ll be better if they do. If his mechanics stay the same there will be a play, maybe several, in which a defender barely gets to him in time because of that very slightly longer release. It won’t make him a bad quarterback and it won’t happen very often but, again, every little bit helps. Small improvements in a number of areas, not just mechanics, will be relatively inconsequential individually but collectively significant. Tebow knows his mechanics could be improved, and need to be improved, and has the willingness and work ethic to make it happen, so I don’t really see it as an issue. It’s just one of the ways in which his out-of-sight work ethic will help him become a good or better than good NFL quarterback.
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by spock on Sep 2, 2010 8:33 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Leave it to Spock to be logical
I’m totally on board with you here. Tebow hired a mechanics coach and worked before the draft to improve—something crazy like 700 or 900 reps a day, if I remember correctly. You could say it was all for show and him trying to lure a higher draft pick—which could very well be true. Or you could say he was serious about becoming a better NFL QB which is his stated dream. I’ll put my money on the latter, since I tend to take what people say on face value until it’s proven to me that they’re liars.
Now add in a QB guru for a head coach, and weeks and weeks of OTAs often with a towel under his arm to improve mechanics, and I’d say you’ve got a guy who’s work ethic is being applied to the greatest area of need.
Then take in McD’s quote a few weeks ago that this is not the time to work on mechanics, and I get the sense that he’s wanting Tebow to not worry about the small stuff while he’s focusing on pocket presence, reading defenses, checking down, and making throws. What’s most telling to me is that TT never scrambled once last week. I’m guessing he was under orders to stay in the pocket and throw. Being the good camper that he is, Tim did just that.
I’m loving it. Tons of raw talent, hard work on improving flaws when it’s appropriate, and willingness to take instruction. In reality I can’t even imagine how high a ceiling a guy with those attributes will have. Things are going to be fun in Broncoland for quite some time!
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by Santa Fe Bronc on Sep 2, 2010 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Great post- Thanks!
BUT… please use the jump after your introductory paragraph. Mobile users have to scroll through the entire article.
Ability to Learn & Improve
First, Excellent post – well thought out, and more importantly it has inspired lots of intelligent comments.
1. The flaw in the theory of those MSSM pundits is that they say that what Tebow physically did in college will not work in the faster more physical NFL. The WRONG assumption is that Tebow has reached a performance Ceiling and can not improve, hence his long throwing motion will lead to inaccuracy in his throws and also more fumbles from having the ball stripped from him by the “Dooms” of the NFL.
ALL NFL PLAYERS continue to improve from their college days to the NFL – or they are not in the NFL.
The comment I have heard from McD and others around the Broncos is that Tebow is ALWAYS learning and working hard to improve. Many comments to the effect that He is a madman in the workout room, stays after scheduled practice to practice throwing the ball with the modified throwing technique every day; and rarely makes the same mistake twice in practice. TT has commented on the fact that He has immersed himself in the playbook.
Tebow is Determined to Improve dramatically in a short time period
2. I trust McDaniels in his ability to coach and train QBs to an elite level. As Broncoman suggested above, the first critique Coach McDaniels made was not about the Throwing Motion, but was about the inconsistent placement of TT’s off hand (right hand) which was leading to an imbalance in his delivery and a cause of his inaccuracy in some throws. NO ONE in the MSSM even recognized that aspect as being important. And, as SWG mentioned above the IMPROVEMENT in TT’s footwork and front side mechanics between the start of OTA’s and the last pre-season game was dramatic. In other words DO NOT be concerned about the throwing motion, since the front side mechanics and techniques are on the improve.
And if Coach McDaniels can take a high school level QB in Cassel and turn him into the “16 Million Dollar Man” I have all the faith in the world that what McD can take an immensely more talented player in TT and do even more.
3. Finally, Tim Tebow is a Winner!! He has won games at a high level in college, and also lost games and learned from his mistakes to improve.
For 2010 with Orton being the starting QB, who would you rather have replace an injured Orton – a still rough around the edges, Tim Tebow; or a deer-in-the-headlights Quinn.
I believe that the Bronco players would rally around the winner in Tim Tebow. I know I as a fan will!!
TIME TO BELIEVE. BRONCO Champions are being forged as we speak
by Broncobh on Sep 2, 2010 10:00 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Very good points
We talk about how strong a college QB is, or how accurate, etc., but these are not fixed attributes. Professional football is a fulltime job, and players use that time not only to learn playbooks and defenses but also to sculpt the kind of body and the kinds of physical attributes they need to succeed. Some of Orton’s early success this season can be attributed to his off-season workout program. QBs become more accurate than they were in college, even if they were relatively accurate, compared to their peers, before they entered the pro ranks. Like you indicated, if a player doesn’t improve he falls behind, because everybody else is getting better.
An additional point on mechanics. Part of the problem, according to McD, was that he was twisting his torso as part of his “wind-up”, then untwisting as he threw. Imagine yourself trying to hit a stationary object while spinning (counterclockwise for a right-hander) like a top. The timing of your release has to be perfect. Release the ball a split-second too early and it goes to the right of the target. Release it a split-second too late and it goes to the left of the target. If your concentration is such that you manage to be accurate in spite of that handicap, you’ll be even more accurate (and have concentration left over for other things, like processing what’s happening on the field) without it.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Steve Young comparison
Steve Young’s throwing motion was a little tigher than TT’s, as Young kept his arm at shoulder-level during his wind-up. They do share the same toughness and mobility. They’ve also experienced concussions, unfortunately.
I think TT has the upper hand if he can perform well in the NFL because he’s been drafted to a premiere franchise and has the chance to start within a year or two. Young had to toil around the USFL and the Creamsicle Bucs, getting the snot rocked out of him everygame, and then he spent a few years as Montana’s backup before getting a real chance playing for a premiere team.
Let’s hope TT can be the 2nd coming of Steve Young, but play all his years here with the Broncos.
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This article is a fantastic example of some kool-aid gushing! As I’ve stated earlier, I’m impressed with Tebow with what I’ve seen so far this preseason and I want him as our back-up as he plays better than Quinn.
That being said, there are a few comments here where people have a more realistic outlook: he needs to work on his motion as it would benefit his play.
Have we heard anything about what kind of plays he’s being exposed to? I’m curious to know how much of the playbook he’s working with, etc. I’m more interested at this point in seeing more reads, look-offs, pump fakes, etc than seeing his throwing motion.
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by sadaraine on Sep 2, 2010 10:49 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You nailed it with this..
I’m more interested at this point in seeing more reads, look-offs, pump fakes, etc than seeing his throwing motion.
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Wow, great first Post
Really enjoyed the read and the ensuing comments. My take is mechanics are important to accuracy as it affects where the release point is, which is what littletinybroncos pointed out. Tebow is a smart man, he’ll get the little things worked out as he improves on the bigger things like reading the D and getting to the right play to beat it.
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Everyone else has said it succinctly enough that I can't add anything
so I’ll just say, for the record, that was the most epic first post I’ve read in ages. Thanks for keep it real!!!!!!
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Great 1st post!
Keep them coming.
I think part of the hysteria over his throwing motion is that because of his overwhelming popularity the MSM feels obligated to write something about Tebow, and his throwing motion is an easy thing to see. Even the most lazy and/or uneducated reporter can see and comment on the way he throws. It takes a lot more research and football knowledge to talk intelligently about the attributes in the ClaysDad list.
MSM, lazy and uneducated?? Hard to believe I know:)
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