Comparing the AFC West
by Bron#1 Fan on Sep 1, 2010 6:01 PM MDT
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Print The AFC West is definitely weak this year. The Charges going to be a different team with out LT, Jackson and McNiell. KC has made some improvements, but are still less then 500, IMO. Oakland has a new QB and a strong D, but there the raiders, less then 250 team. The Broncos have made some good improvements, but I still have questions about there OL and DL.
After the break I will break down the best starting team for the AFC West.
I will rank them in my order( fill free to disagree) Top 5 just for fun!!!
- QB: Rivers, Orton, Campbell, Cassel, and Tebow*.
- RB: Charles, Moreno, McFadden, Matthews*, and Jones.
- FB: Cox, Hester, Larsen, Tolbert, and Castille.
- WR: Jackson(1), Royal(Slot),Bowe(2), Chambers, and Gaffney.
- TE: Gates, Graham, Z.Miller, Pope, and Moeaki*.
- OL: Clady(LT),Dielman(LG), Hardwick(C), Kuper(RG), and Harris(RT).
- DL: Seymore(LE), J.Williams(NT), Castillo(RE), Bannan, and McBean or Dorsey.
- LB: Phillips(LOLB), McClain(LILB)*, DJ Williams(RILB), Doom(ROLB), and Ayersor Meriman.
- CB: Champ, Asomugha, Jammer, Goodman, and Flowers.
- S: Dawkins, Hill, Weddle, Berry*, and Branch.
- K: Keading, Prater, Janikowski, and Succop.
- P: Lechler, D. Colquitt, Scifres and B. Colquitt.
- Returner: Sproles, Royal,Arenas, McCluster, and Cox*.
I know I have a lot of Bronco's on there so if a divirson foe wants to make a statement fell free.
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I will say this
San Diego’s offense looks good. They are not going to miss LT or Jackson. Matthews and Floyd will fill those holes. Were San Diego is not very good is on the defense.
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You have it in for me this week. This is the impression I got this week watching the Saints-Chargers. Chargers had 327 yards most of it with the 1st team in. The Saints got 552 yards. Of course I’m going off 1 game but that was my impression.
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by 3nS on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I think SD's offense will be fine
Rivers is a great quarterback, and while Mathews I don’t think will be Pro Bowl this season, has the skill set to be a great back. Their defense will be their biggest weakness next season.
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Yeah
R.Mathews looks pretty good but he has had injury problems in the past. After our Monday night when we shock the league by spanking the Chargers and E.Berry sends Mathews back home cryin to mommy, you guys won’t have to worry about him any more:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Sep 1, 2010 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting post
I was thinking about this yesterday after I read and heard some of the MSM talking about why the Chiefs are better than the Broncos. I thought rb and Waters at guard were better than the Broncos. That is it. It is amazing how much credit the Chiefs are getting for the additions of Crennel and Weiss.
by Horse Head Bookends on Sep 1, 2010 6:51 PM MDT reply actions
Really the Chiefs are getting some credit.
Not in anything I’ve read, maybe their coaching staff is getting some, but IMO we get no respect at all. Not that we deserve it after the last 4 years, but when this season is said and done, we will get some back. I think we have some young linebackers that will make a name for themselves this year, and if B.Carr gets his shit together we could have a top 5 secondary by the time the years over with.
If you watched any of our pre-season game you would’ve seen the difference R.Crennel has made with our young guys especially the LB’s. I’m still not sure about how Weis is going to help us, so I’m noyt sold on him yet, but we’ll see.
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I do think
Both the Chiefs and Broncos are building the right way. It will take both teams a year or two more but they will both be much better in the coming years. I am looking forward to the game vs KC to be relevant again. I am a little bitter about the butt wuppin the Broncos took at the hands of the Chiefs to end the season last year. I do like alot of the Chiefs young players and I loved your draft.
by Horse Head Bookends on Sep 2, 2010 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Just wait the leaguein a couple of years will be modeling their teams like ours :)
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My ratings
* QB: Rivers, Orton, Campbell, Cassel
* RB: KC, Denver, SD, Oakland
* WR: SD, Denver, KC, Oakland
* TE: Gates, Z.Miller, Pope, Graham
* OL: SD, Denver, KC, Oakland
* DL: Oakland, Denver, KC, SD
* LB: SD, Denver, Oakland, KC
* CB: Denver, SD, Oakland, KC
* S: Denver, KC, SD, Oakland
* K: Keading, Janikowski, Prater, Succop.
* P: Lechler, D. Colquitt, Scifres and B. Colquitt.
* ST: SD, Denver, KC, Oakland
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Haha
It’s not so much you’re team, we’ll actually it is. I wasn’t a big Cassel fan, I think he can be at a level similar to Garrard, Orton or Campbell with decent talent, but he won’t reach the level he did in NE again without that kind of talent around him. With Charles and Jones, you have the best backfield in the division, no question in my mind. As for your WR’s, like ours, outside of Chambers, they are largely untested or just journeymen trying to step up as a #1. Your secondary and LB corp seems a bit weak, I’m a big Berry fan, think he could be defensive rookie of the year, but he can’t fix some of the problems there. If they’d kept Mike Brown, I’d put you ahead of us at safety, but letting his experience go is going to hurt. You know I’m the biggest supporter of balanced opponent ratings, but hey, I don’t think I even listed the Broncos first in more then a couple areas.
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While i tend to agree with you on Cassel
We as Chiefs fan could be marching on Arrowhead by the end of the year with pitchfork’s and shovel’s. Cassel has to do it this year or it looks like we’ll be drafting a QB with our first pick next year, but i do think he has more weapons now. With J.Charles and D.McCluster on the field at the same time it should open up more areas of our passing game, they have to be accounted for IMO, by any defense. Bowe has stepped it up this pre-season and is a changed player also, really it’s all in Cassel hands now, IMO we have good enough targets and players on offense he should be able to get it done.
I disagree about our LB’s, IMO some of our younger guys are playing a lot better than last year, especially Studebaker. I think once the season starts and R.Crennel opens up the play book you’ll see a big difference in how much pressure we bring.
Our secondary is very young i agree, but the sky is the limit for this group of guys. B.Carr has looked better the last couple of games, and B.Flowers is a very good CB, maybe not a shut down corner but close. E.Berry has shown being a rookie is some case’s doesn’t mean shit, he might be a top 10 SS before the years said and done, and IMO is a upgrade compared to M.Brown. K.Lewis was a late pick for us but this kid fly’s to the ball and is also a upgrade from McGraw IMO.
This pre-season our defense is #6 at stopping the run and our offense is #2 at running the ball. People better recognize :P
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Studebaker has looked awful...
awfully beastly that is. I agree wtih you CPT in that I wouldn’t underestimate KC’s LB corps. While i’m not convinced your guys WR’s are solid and dependable, neither would anyone of Denver’s who hasn’t been watching closely. I put my foot in my mouth last year when I thought SD would finally fall to us with KC close on our heels (closer than SD, with even Oakland competeing for 3rd place with SD). So i’m a little hesitant to go out on a limb and predict KC as #2 in the AFC (Denver has to be first of course! Lol).
I think it may take another year or for SD to really hit start their decline, but KC is definitely on it’s way up. Like everyone and their mother has mentioned though, I think Cassel is NOT a long term solution for KC. He’ll likely be interrim long enough for you guys to land a solid veteran or pick up a promising rookie.
Cassel is a very good football player, but he doesn’t have the “it” factor to command an offense with confidence and precision. I think he was more a benefactor of NE’s offense and McDaniels coaching/game planning than he was individual talent. The guy has unmistakable work ethic and desire though, and occasionally that is sometimes enough. Unfortunately it usually isn’t enough if you don’t have some serious playmaking weapons around them (for reference see Cutler and the Bears last year). Cutler is a good football player, but he doesn’t have that QB “it” factor. He’s just not a leader, and Cassel doesn’t feel like one either. Don’t get me wrong those guys can fill in and play well enough, but they’ll never be outstanding players unless the stars align (literally they need star players at several positions around them to carry them).
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by Alexander Wall on Sep 2, 2010 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I largely agree
But I am getting tired of the vague “it” factor. Many players have been hailed as “it” players, but haven’t lived up to the praise, where other who have been put down for not having the “it” have gone on to win Super Bowls. The “it” factor is a vague, indefinable, nonreliable way to gauge a player. There have been too many great players, too many Hall of Famers that haven’t had it to make it a worth compliment for a player. I’ll take a veteran winner without the “it” factor over a rookie with the “it” factor any day.
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SD has a better O Line than Denver? I see it as a BIG weakness for SD!
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by boydy2669 on Sep 2, 2010 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
All things being equal I would say the Broncos have the better oline anchored by two superb tackles, when healthy.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't see a good offensive line anywhere in the league
Outside of Clady our line has played completely average, if not worse. I realize they are rookies, and I’m not really worried about it, but SD has a line that has done the job, and even with a player holding out, I haven’t seen Mathews struggling to find holes like our RB’s, and Rivers hasn’t been under pressure hardly at all. So yes, I do think SD has a better line then us. It’s not a good line, but it’s better then anyone else in the league.
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Got to say I agree for the most part, but...
SD in WR only if Jackson plays.
Graham is so under rated. Dude throws the best stiff arms, and part of being a good TE is blocking and Graham is the best at that in the division.
I think Denvers OL is better then anybody’s in our division if Clady is healthy.
Oaklands DL has Seymour and… who?
Question…if Doom was not hurt would you put Denver’s LDers at the top of your list?
I like Prater more then Janikowski. More consistant.
B.Colquitt will be better then Scifres.
Need to watch out for KC’s ST’s. There have some good young talent in the return game.
Wow...
No way Cox is the best Full Back…
Hali isn’t a top five linebacker? lol
Flowers is better than Goodman and possibly Jammer.
Royal better than Bowe? Explain…
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
Chiefs suck, nuff said.
:) In all seriousness….
Bowe has maturity issues…then again, a Bronco fan made this post. heh
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I have to say I do agree with you on Hali and Flowers I dont think Bron#1Fan has given them the credit they deserve.
I think this is a big season for Royal and for Bowe, as a slot type guy then Royal is better but over all impact on the game I think this is one to look out for.
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I would have Bowe ahead of Royal if it was...
last year. Since Bowe went all WR diva on KC last year, he droped in my book.
There are not a lot of good FB in the west. Not like in years past.
Soory about that, I should have included Hali. I like his motor and skill set. Should have him behind the top 4 guys.
Flowers is still young and Goodman and Jammer have more experience.
Flowers doesn't have the experience?
Yet, McClain is a top linebacker and Berry is a top safety……See where this system could be flawed?
Jamaal Charles...Enough said.
by Chiefsfan85 on Sep 2, 2010 4:25 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hali is definitely top 5 in my book.
But Goodman is very underrated and underappreciated because he plays across from Champ. But yes right now Goodman is better than flowers.
Royal better than Bowe? Really hard to compare the two because they are different players and will fill different roles this year.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Eh
I’d put Jones ahead of McFadden, Asomugha ahead of Champ, but only just, Flowers right behind Jammer, but that’s damn close too, and Janikowski ahead of Prater, but the AFC West special teams is the best out of all divisions by far, its ridiculous
by Warren Todd on Sep 1, 2010 7:42 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Thanks for the comments.
I put McFadden ahead of Jones only because I think he’ll have more carries and yards and touchdowns this year. Asomugha and Champ can be enter changed with each other IMO, but I’m a Bronco fan a bias. Flowers is a good young player, but Goodman has more experience and will have more chances with Champ on the other side. Janikowski has a hugh leg, but thats it. Prater has a hugh leg plus more accuracy IMO. There could be a lot of returns for touchdowns in the West this year. I guy to keep an eye on in Arenas in KC. My buddy says he is just flat out a B.A.
Ass ahead of Champ
I think you have seriously tipped your bottle too far, no more breakfast beers for you.
by bleedbroncos on Sep 2, 2010 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Asomogha is pretty special
Maybe 1a and 1b.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm surprised you have a rookie (McClain) ahead of DJ and Doom
How does that work. Has he already made the Pro Bowl? Has he already led his team in tackles or sacks or even the NFL in sacks? I think your rating system is flawed.
LBers I listed as best for each position with an extra guy.
The only correction I should have to make is to add in Hali to the core of LBers.
Abosolutely.
Hali will have 12 sacks this year.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions
You better hope that young DL comes thur for you.
If not Flowers and Hali will not have good years. I love both players, but they are no Champ and Doom…Sorry!!!
well...
SD should finish with a good record. Their schedule is weak sauce this year. They play 14 of their 16 games against teams that aren’t considered to be locks for the playoffs.
I bet SD wins 12-13 games. Denver’s best shot is the wildcard and maybe Denver (secretly) is hoping SD has nothing to play for in week 17. Ryan Matthews looks as advertised so far and their WRs and TEs look great. Thay have a pretty solid o-line and although I don’t understand the physics how the hell Rivers is actually good – he is. Dude’s a bonafide stud. Even though he makes my skin crawl. the Chargers D is good – not great, but they are opportunistic and certainly fly around out there. I still don’t think they’re better than the Ravens, Pats, or Colts, they’re still the team in the AFC west with the best talent/experience mix.
I don’t buy any of this hype that KC or OAK are any better at all this year. It all the rage – but IMO – it’s writers regurgitating each-other’s wild guesses (so they can meet their deadlines without thinking too hard) and talking out of their backsides to anyone who’ll listen. Hey, maybe KC or OAK is better but lets wait and see what happens before we argue about it. We can all put our predictions and beliefs on the table but if someone thinks Hali isn’t a top 4 LB in the AFC West, then so be it. That their opinion.
If you want a legitemate read on how people think your team might do this year – go take a look at the futures at a betting site – those guys that come up with those are not to be messed with. They know their sh#%.
Regular season wins (over/under) – betus.com
SD 11.5
DEN 7.5
KC 6.5
OAK 6.5
In my opinion – looking at the schedules – here’s my read on wins this year.
SD 12-13
DEN 8-10
KC 6-7
OAK 5-6
I think the 2 teams with the biggest margin of error (in regards to predictions) in the AFC are Denver and the Jets. Both teams have some Jekyll/Hyde things going on and we’ll see which 2nd year coach really has his team in good working condition by week 10. The Jets are overrated in my opinion and although they’ll have a chance to give the Pats a run for the AFC East, I’ll still be shocked if NE doesn’t win that division. IMO – the Jets aren’t a Super Bowl team, let alone an AFC Championship level team. I have the Jets winning 10-12 games and the pats winning 11-12 games (marginally better, but better nonetheless). Losing Jones will prove to be big, Sanchez looks like crap to me and I can’t believe they start Braylon Edwards still and on top of that, they’re gonna TRIPLE Shonn Greene’s load? Yikes. We’ll see about their D being as dominant as it was last year, but I’m really hoping for them to cave and sign Revis to recockulous contract and ruin their team economics for years to come. They’re obviously trying to be the ‘00 Ravens (who beat a gawd awful Giants team that really were just a poor-man’s Ravens that year), but I don’t think their D isanywhere as good as the Ravens’ was.
SD winning 12-13 games...
Wait a minute. I think there win 3 maybe 4 games in the West. Against the AFC South there should go 2-2 with losses in Indy and Houston. There other games in the AFC are against New England at home and at Cincy, another split. There should win 3-4 against the NFC West. That puts SD at 10-6.
Denver should also win 3-4 games in division. Against the South we have the top 2 teams, Indy and Houston, at home. We should be able to get 3 from the South. I want the Broncos to split against Baltiomore anf the Jets, but I think those are 2 losses. We should be able to get all 4 wins against the NFC West. That puts Denver at 10-6 or 11-5 depending on if there can take 4 games in the AFC West.
KC will only win 2 games in the West. Against the South there also play at Indy and Houston a probable loss to Tennessee at home, so 1 win there. There have 2 easy games against Cleveland and Buffalo, so theres 2 wins. There should be able to beat StLouis and Arizona, but loss to SF and in Seattle. KC finishes with 7-9 record.
Oakland is well Oakland. There might get 2 wins in the West. Will loss all games to the AFC South. There play at Pittsburgh and have a home game against Miami, don’t see a win there. Against the NFC West there should win games at home against StLouis and Seattle, but loss on the road to SF and Arizona. Oakland has 4-12 record.
Denver 11-5
SD 10-6
KC 7-9
Oakland 4-12
I hope you're right!!
But Denver hasn’t proven that they can do better than splitting the season series vs,. KC & OAK unfortunately. I’m still suspecting that Denver goes .500 in the division to get to 8 or 9 wins and if they can go 4-2, that’ll get them to 10 wins.
Hey, I get that VJax is making things tough on SD, but they don’t seem too much worse for the wear because of it. Their schedule is easier than Denver’s. SD didn’t get worse, they have a holdout WR and I actually think they might have (gasp) improved at RB with this Matthews kid. He looks like he’s getting to the second level on defenses, which is something LT wasn’t able to do over the last 2 seasons.
We can agree to have different expectations, I just think Denver’s a year away from a division title.
Of course, SD does start slow, or at least they have in the past, so we’ll see how they look after 6 weeks.
Gawd I hate the Chargers.
Can't get with your assesment that Oakland is still Oakland.
Although it is your opinion I have to disagree. We beat Pittsburgh last year in Pittsburgh. To think we will lose to every NFC West team is funny. All those teams are beatable. I will admit the Niners will be tough but Alex Smith at QB is not convincing. I feel we can beat Arizona with Derek Anderson (the same man that was in a QB competition with Brady Quinn). The Rams are still horrible and the Seahawks just don’t look that strong to me. To each his own.
The only problem I have with Oakland
Is that they beat great teams last season, but lost to the bad teams. I think Oakland is very talented, and I think this season Cable will finally be able to run the team how he wants, but if they can’t get consistency going, I see a sub .500 season. Better then 5-11, but not 9-7.
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I agree we did but it was with JaMarcus at QB...
I think his play alone hurt the development of our recievers/running backs as a whole. Consistency has hurt this team in the past but we are still a young team and hopefully they don’t know any better and exceed expectations.
That's why I think there's more hope for you in 2011 then in 2010
Your youth should be fully developed, if you still have Cable as your coach, the team should all be on the same page, and maybe if Campbell stays in the same system for more then a season, he could actually play at a high level.
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If we have a season in 2011!
I’m actually hoping Hue Jackson becomes our coach. He has brought a level of intensity and passion to practice that hasn’t been seen since Gruden was our coach.
Maybe I'm mistaken
But I thought that betting odds and all that are based on expectations. You set the odds in a boxing match at, say, 1-10 in favor of a guy in an attempt to get the bids on one guy to balance out and pay for the winnings if the other guy wins. It’s based on people’s perceptions, which affect how they bid. The more they expect one guy to win, the greater the odds you have to put against the other guy to entice people to bet on him for the allure of a huge payoff. So while the odds (or futures) are unbiased themselves, they are a reflection of the general biases people hold.
I know what you're saying
and you have a point, but the casino’s aren’t in the business of losing money. They make an absolute killing on bets like these.
In general, that’s how the casinos think your team will do. They may set a win total a tad low because a team is overhyped and the fans are lining up to bet that way, but eventually it evens out.
This is all wrong
Broncos 19-0
Chiefs 3-13
Chargers 2-14
Raiders 1-15
This Kool-Aid tastes delicious.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree to some extent on the rankings but
I would put Bush in place of McFadden. I’m not too high on D-Mac. Our team proved last year with a competent QB we can win games. Last year after JaMarcus finally got benched, Gradkowski went 2-1 against Cincy, Dallas and Pitt. I’m not saying we will win the West but a 7 to 9 win season isn’t unreasonable.
9 is hardly unlikely but
it’s your opinion so we’ll leave that for the regular season.
I think he just hit a rookie wall.
Hopefully he doesn’t have any sophmore slumps. I do wish he would not have gotten hurt on the first day of camp, but what can you do.
The thing that bugs me the most is the people that say Matthews is going to be this awesome RB, are the same guys who said that Moreno was going to be this awesome RB. Know all of the sudden those same people think Moreno is no good. And to think that there think Matthews is better then Moreno…HaHaHa!!! Not only that, but Matthews has to replace a future HOF guy in LT, where Moreno had to replace Hillis and a bunch of guys in street clothes.
I would put
Flowers ahead of Jammer. That guy is a punk.
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and you add in Lechler who probable top 3 in the NFL…wow…can you say HANG TIME!!! And I’m not even talking basketball…LOL!!!
Shane Lechler has been the top Punter statistically for the past two years.
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