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I must give a bit of credit where it is due.  I don't know if the folks at the Denver Post read MHR, but the first story on the list, on the surface, looks like a response to several tweets I wrote, and comments you all made on a 'Dead Money' story written last week.  The story criticized the Broncos for the 'Dead Money' left from the Alphonso Smith trade and release of Jarvis Green.  My furor with that was the fact that other teams in the NFL had more 'Dead Money' than the Broncos, yet the implication was the Broncos - Brian Xanders and Josh McDaniels - were throwing money away.  My challenge, at the time, was to find out where the Broncos ranked and give a fair assessment.  My guess at the time was the Broncos would rank near the bottom of wasted money in the NFL.

Whatever the motivation, Mike Klis wrote a 'follow-up' piece on the issue in this morning's Post, and like many of us thought, the Broncos are among the best at the Dead Money issue, an amazing feat since the Broncos were among the worst when Mike Shanahan left($29 million when McDaniels arrived)

No coach/organization makes all the right moves.  When evaluating them, however, I think it important to see the WHOLE picture.  In this case, Klis got it right.  Kudos!

Broncos GM Xanders confident a smart game plan is in place to revitalize roster - The Denver Post
The men upstairs at Broncos headquarters, coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders, understand how it works. They know smarts are directly related to winning, and the Broncos have lost nine of their last 11 games — including their season opener Sunday at Jacksonville, 24-17.

Sharpe to take leave of absence from CBS - The Denver Post
Just as Shannon Sharpe closes in on becoming the fourth Broncos player elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the former tight end has been engulfed in a legal battle.

Maroney trade puts backfield in motion - The Denver Post
Coach Josh McDaniels was direct in describing how he felt his running backs performed Sunday in the Broncos' season opener at Jacksonville.

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Krieger: Rookies remind Champ of Williams - The Denver Post
When Champ Bailey looks at Perrish Cox, Syd'Quan Thompson and Cassius Vaughn, the Broncos' triumvirate of rookie defensive backs, he sees a similar trio from five years ago, the class led by the late Darrent Williams.

Former Broncos O-linemen could make starts for the Seahawks - The Denver Post
This weekend, the Broncos will face a Seattle offense making adjustments on the offensive line because of injuries. The Seahawks may have two former Denver linemen making starts against the Broncos. Tyler Polumbus started at left tackle in the Seahawks' opener because rookie Russell Okung and Okung's backup, Chester Pitts, were injured. Ben Hamilton might play this weekend at right guard in place of the injured Max Unger, who was put on injured reserve Tuesday.

Q&A: Broncos' Tebow should get more involved in time - The Denver Post
Q: Watching Tim Tebow in the preseason, working from the shotgun formation, a question arises: Will the Broncos use Tim in a spread-option offense and capitalize on the dual-threat potential?

Analysis: Chiefs show they clearly have more speed - The Denver Post
The Broncos are among the three 0-1 teams in the AFC West, with San Diego and Oakland. Kansas City is the division leader at 1-0.

Broncos trade for New England running back Laurence Maroney - The Denver Post
The Broncos today executed a trade for New England Patriots running back Laurence Maroney, who was the team's first-round pick in 2006. Broncos coach Josh McDaniels was New England's offensive coordinator from 2005-08.

New York Jets lose lineman Kris Jenkins for 2010 with ACL tear - ESPN New York
Kris Jenkins' season is over prematurely -- again. In 2009, it lasted six games. This time, six plays.

Green Bay Packers place RB Ryan Grant on season-ending IR - ESPN
Green Bay Packers running back Ryan Grant is out for the season with a right ankle injury, a significant blow to the team after he piled up 1,200 yards in each of the past two seasons.

Washington Redskins' Clinton Portis apologizes for female reporter comments - ESPN
Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis, known for his outspoken viewpoints, had plenty to say on the radio Tuesday about women reporters in NFL locker rooms.

Cleveland Browns mum on Jake Delhomme's 'twisted up' ankle - ESPN
The team did not provide a medical update on Delhomme, who underwent an MRI on Tuesday after injuring his right ankle while throwing a game-swinging interception late in the first half of Sunday's season-opening loss at Tampa Bay. It was the veteran's debut with the Browns.

Randy Moss: Timing of Sunday's comments poor; coach Bill Belichick told me to watch what I say - ESPN Boston
New England Patriots receiver Randy Moss acknowledged Tuesday that the timing of his comments about his contract after Sunday's game was not ideal, while also admitting that Bill Belichick told him to "watch what I do and watch what I say" in the future.

Sources: Bob Sanders of Indianapolis Colts has torn biceps tendon - ESPN
Indianapolis Colts safety Bob Sanders has a torn biceps tendon and is out indefinitely, if not for the season, two team sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Lockout could lead to free-agent frenzy | National Football Post
Before the tsunami hit Thailand in 2004, elephants sensed a storm was coming and ran for higher ground. In the NFL right now, the elephants are running for higher ground. NFL teams know a labor storm is coming, and the smart ones are preparing for it.

Hunter Hillenmeyer's season ends with concussion | National Football Post
The Chicago Bears placed veteran linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer on injured reserve today, ending his season as he is suffering from the affects of a concussion he received in the team’s third preseason game.

Jets cut Danny Woodhead, sign David Clowney | National Football Post
The New York Jets cut diminutive wide receiver and running back Danny Woodhead today and are bringing back wide receiver David Clowney.

Tommie Harris not out for revenge with Marc Colombo | National Football Post
Tommie Harris isn’t out for revenge this week even if Marc Colombo can make it back on the field and put Alex Barron out of his misery.

Donte' Stallworth denies ESPN report | National Football Post
Baltimore Ravens wide receiver Donte' Stallworth denied an ESPN report from former NFL wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson that he'll be out for the rest of the season with a broken foot that required surgery.

NFL.com news: Jets, Packers forced to adjust with key contributors out for year
The NFL season is often viewed as a war of attrition, and two contenders are already dealing with injuries that threaten to ruin their postseason hopes.

NFL.com news: NFL reduces suspension for Lions president Lewand
Team president Tom Lewand will be reinstated to his position effective Wednesday, nine days sooner than originally stipulated by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, a league source tells mlive.com.

NFL.com news: Six from Sunday: Eagles face QB dilemma, Steelers have a plan
At least half of the home teams were viewed as underdogs, but they didn't take too kindly to that; fans in at least one city are struggling with what it takes to get a touchdown reception; the Steelers had months to work on a plan for life without Ben Roethlisberger, and for at least a week, it appears it was well-laid; and quarterback conflicts are already showing their face.

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and 32 Shanahan Players Out of NFL

Not only is the wasted money interesting, but also the fact that Xanders and McDaniels inherited 32 players who don’t even play in the NFL anymore.

by gamblingprospectus on Sep 15, 2010 6:32 AM MDT reply actions  

This says alot...
“We let go of 32 players from 2008 (roster and practice squad) who were here who never played in the NFL again,” Xanders said.

Read more: Broncos GM Xanders confident a smart game plan is in place to revitalize roster – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_16077150#ixzz0zbOqriAG

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."

by Alan_Smithee on Sep 15, 2010 6:53 AM MDT reply actions  

32 Players that couldn't even make it...

as 2nd or 3rd stringers for teams such as Detroit or the Rams the next year.

Which shows both how amazing Shanahan was at getting the most out of his players and just how bad his organization had been at selecting players.

Our base depth now has improved to the point that we now have castoffs that are making it onto the rosters of other teams.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."

by Alan_Smithee on Sep 15, 2010 6:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, and the reason why I'm still pissed at him (Shanny)!

Too worried about building his ‘castle’ than building a team that would succeed…

by bfree2bronc on Sep 15, 2010 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey, everybody needs a 35,000 sq. ft edifice to their ego!

Oh, wait….

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 15, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

The media complains that players give vanilla answers then jumps down their throats when they say something interesting

Both Moss and Portis said stupid things but as a fan with no real interest in either team I like it that they at least said something entertaining.

by admill on Sep 15, 2010 6:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Portis...

In this age of political correctness it was stupid for Portis to say what what he did. However, what he said sounds accurate to me.

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."

by Alan_Smithee on Sep 15, 2010 7:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with Portis too

What I’m wondering is this – are men similarly allowed into women’s locker rooms? If not, why not? What’s good for the goose isn’t good for the gander?

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 15, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the tracks. Shanny deserves to where his HORENDOUS GM decisions for life. He left this team in a mess, and we are lucky we are all bitching about 8-8 seasons...

Shanny: Good Coach…worse GM ever!
Most of us should be thanking God daily we have McD and Xanders on top of this. They have fixed the mess that was the denver Broncos roster and at least made us competitive in just over a year.

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

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by boydy2669 on Sep 15, 2010 7:00 AM MDT reply actions  

I hated this post on many levels. #1, it's wrong.

???

Shanny left McD with a 24-24 football team with valuable players at LT, QB, #1 WR, #2 WR, RT, RG, #1 CB, ILB, Elvis, #1 TE, #2 TE, C and Kicker. That is a lot of key guys at key spots.

Shanny left McD with plenty to work with vs the coach of Saint Louis or KC. McX hasn’t had a long time so it’s way too early to say this (but think on it a little). Has McX even added one franchise type player (Clady, Marshall, Elvis, Cutler, Bailey) since he got here? Are any of his draft picks, trades or UFAs going to star for us or more importantly, win for us? Time will tell. I couldn’t clearly identify a future All Pro right now. Again, let’s have this talk in three months. If he is able to get solid play out of everyone and win, maybe it doesn’t matter. But if we’re still average at the end of 2010?

IMO – McX did an average job in 2009 in producing an average team. And 2010 looks like another 8-8ish squad to me. For many valid reasons, the Bronco job McD took was considered the best (by far) of the vacant HC spots after the 2008 season. To insinuate he took over some 2-14 type team is wildly disingenuous and inaccurate.

As for Shanny. He had a weird last few years in Denver. After being a stud coach thru 2005, I though his coaching was absolute garbage from 2006 to 2008. That said, his 2006, 2007 and 2008 drafts produced some very valuable assets – esp 2006, which was an epic draft for Denver. As we all know, Shanny’s drafting was pitiful in the years his coaching was stellar.

In the end, I’m glad he is gone. His choice of yes man, nincompoop coordinators was driving me insane. Do I think McX has us on the right track? That is determined by W-L. Again, too early to say.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

You were utterly, completely confident one year ago that we were already on the wrong track and that McDaniels should be ridden out of town on a rail. Your more pragmatic tone suggests that you must be pleased with something.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Sep 15, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

With 8 wins last season, that was 8 good reasons.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, McG but, '32' players? Not playing anywhere?

Shanny hit on a few here and there, but the overall picture was one of disrepair and he failed or ignored his instincts to build the team…

by bfree2bronc on Sep 15, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

He was better at finding super stars and busts. Wasn’t much middle ground with this picks and UFAs.

Not a great way to build a team IMO.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't like the whole thread

I think we should all be beyond the McDaniels/Xanders v. Shanahan thing. This is a terrific blog, but sometimes it is as predictable as is Fox News v. MSNBC on political issues.

We get that many of the writers on this blog are very pro-McDaniels/Xanders.

I enjoy analysis which tries to critically examine moves on a team. McDaniels has done a number of things right. Clearly the defensive secondary has gone from a weak group to a very strong group and there are players in wait to replace talented but aging veterans. Similarly, the offensive line has been revamped, and although I think we will experience growing pains this season, it is a line that should become dominant in time.

Already some commentators have jumped on you, not only for trying to provide some balance, but also for taking a fresh look at McDaniels. I applaud people altering their views when the data supports a changed view.

However, I think it is fair game to criticize the Smith and Quinn selections and some other mistakes of the current regime. Let’s support constructive analysis which looks at both the good and the bad. I was with a hundred or more Bronco fans in downtown Washington DC last Sunday. The game had its good moments and its bad moments. Let’s comment on both.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 15, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree Baltimore...

The problem is, and the reason this became a big deal again, is because Mike Klis wrote an article last week talking about how ‘wasteful’ the Broncos were being with $$ because a Jarvis Green/Alphonso Smith. I want the same thing you want. Tell the whole story. Those were mistakes – NO DOUBT – but if someone is going to look at ‘Dead Money’ look at where the Broncos stack up throughout the NFL! That is the whole story.

I don’t know if this article was a response to me(MHR) or not, but it tells the story – the whole story. Are there mistakes? Absolutely. Are the Broncos, in 2009/10 as wasteful as other teams in the NFL? Not a chance.

Telling the whole story is definitely important. Want to criticize the Broncos for ‘Phonz, or Quinn, that’s justified, and I welcome it, but every time we give some credit we can’t be told not to.

People tend to look at the McDaniels/Xanders era in a vacuum. How long will it take to fix a decade’s worth of problems? I don’t know.

I said last night on my podcast that the biggest curse this team had was 2005. It delayed the inevitable and shrouded what was happening to the roster. We talk about then, because many of the issues the team has now are a result of that….

I hope that makes sense.

-TSG

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

“How long will it take to fix a decade’s worth of problems?” This is where you are being disingenuous or at least unfair with your wording.

We didn’t suck from 1998 to 2008. In fact, we won more games that we lost and never once drafted in the Top 10. Shanny consistently put decent to great teams on the field. There was not one hopeless year, one crappy team that couldn’t win games to save their lives.

McD didn’t inherit a train wreck when he took the job. And to suggest he did (which Boydy did) is total BS. Doing so is the exact same thing as pointing out the Phonz debacle without pointing out the success of our 2009 UFA class or Orton’s solid play.

Now you know I’m no Shanny rah-rah supporter. He did pass along a lot of problems to McD, but he also left the cupboard half stocked. Shanny left McD an 8-8 team with lots of solid talent and lots of glaring holes.

That is the whole story.

And it’s one that doesn’t lead me down the path of getting on my knees to thank God and the heavens above that McD is our coach based on what he has done thus far.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Das is true...It is better to be 'above' average than it is to be mediocre...

I guess that’s what happens when we expected to win and go to the playoffs often…We got spoiled with the building of the team Phillips and Reeves put together…

by bfree2bronc on Sep 15, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Phillips? Come on.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

No but I'd venture to say..

Starting with the Marcus Nash draft, the history of picks and signings – the majority anyway – really started to suffer at this point.

Getting beat 49-24 in playoffs games is not success. At least in my opinion. Neither is going 8-8. So we are in the midst of a long drought that was hidden for a bit by that magical season in 2005.

I wouldn’t say he inherited a complete train-wreck, but that defense wasn’t close. The Cutler/Marshall/Scheffler argument will rage long past we leave this earth. Several people feel they were pieces of a winning puzzle. I do not. I don’t intend to try and change their mind because no one is going to change mine.

I will be forever grateful for the Super Bowl victories and all the wins Shanahan brought the Broncos. To like McDaniels is NOT to dislike Shanahan. He was a victim of his own success and expectations. The time came to move on and that is what we are all trying to do…

-TSG

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by John Bena on Sep 15, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

The D in 2008 WAS a train-wreck. People seem to want to gloss that over with the “But the O was RIGHT THERE” stuff, and forget about that historically horrible D.

One side of the ball was pretty decent, while the other side was singularly awful. Not a complete train-wreck, but not a good team either. Certainly not one “on the cusp” of anything.

I agree with both you and Baltimore, 2005 was a mirage.

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 15, 2010 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

The 2005 season was the single best coaching season of Shanahan’s career. He alone won us several games that season. Then he shut off his coaching brain after we lost to Pitt in the AFC Championship.

McD inherited a so-so team with several valuable players. That historically bad D still had Champ, DJ and Elvis so it wasn’t devoid of talent. It sucked something awful in several spots, but what really hurt was that Slowik was the single stupidest D-coordinator to ever run an NFL Defense. I wouldn’t want that guy coach my flag football team – even if he brought orange slices.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd agree with that, but...

Not even if he brought orange slices?? You are a harsh taskmaster, dude. ;)

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 15, 2010 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shanahan got a lot of out Cutler and co. Going 8-8 in 08 was remarkable given the D and the injuries at RB.

by McJay on Sep 15, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Cutler/Marshall (I hate to include Scheff – wasn’t a fan) argument is not an issue.

It is proven fact that McX received a TON of trade value out of those guys so he certainly did benefit from inheriting a roster with them on it. That absolutely has to factor into how we judge McD and what he stepped into when he was named HC. He stepped into two straight drafts with multiple high picks thanks to Cutler and Marshall. We may never again have FIVE 1st/2nd round picks in one draft. McD damn well better do something with those picks and players.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank You

John,

I appreciate your courteous and thoughtful reply. I also appreciate the effort you put into this blog.

I think you are right on 2005. It was a mirage.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 15, 2010 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

re: where the problems developed (Rome wasn't built in a day)
I said last night on my podcast that the biggest curse this team had was 2005. It delayed the inevitable and shrouded what was happening to the roster. We talk about then, because many of the issues the team has now are a result of that….

I recall a topic on the draft from a couple of summers ago. One point that I made in my comments in that topic was that lagged effects tend to mask the true state of affairs. 2005 could be compared to a situation common in college football, in which a soon to be departing coaching staff starts to lose recruiting battles but it’s not completely apparent until the new staff takes over. Short-sighted fans, or fans who thrive on creating dissension, aren’t willing to accept the logic that the new staff inherited a bare cupboard and instead seek to blame the new staff. Even when these fans are willing to acknowledge the point, there’s usually tough sounding rhetoric about how that’s the way the world works and that you have to do the best with what you’re given. The stated rationale for criticizing the new staff is ostensibly rational (or forward looking) but the timing of the criticism seems out of place. Where were they when the wheels were falling off? And why is that the slightest hint of misstep by the new staff (and not even necessarily a real one) treated with scathing criticism?

I was one of the people who found 2005 both encouraging and deeply disconcerting. Throughout the early 2000s, the rebuilding that I anticipated never occurred. The results were encouraging but there was no sense of a team that was building towards even greater success. The playoff appearances raised my hopes but, in all honesty, there was no realistic chance of going all the way and they seemed more like delaying the inevitable.

What’s not as evident at this point is how big the hole was that we barely missed falling into. Moreover, all the quick fixes that were put into place are not a foundation, they’re merely patches. And they’re some pretty good patches but we can’t kid ourselves that — for instance — an old Brian Dawkins is the same as a young Brian Dawkins. You can’t fix that many problems overnight and pretend that a decade-long legacy of mismanagement goes away, as if it could merely slip down the memory hole and the team of the 90s was somehow magically restored and on the field today.

Another of the points I made in that topic two summers ago (which was yours, I believe), was that even though certain positions took time to develop, there was no way around that limitation. DLs take a long time to develop but the only solution to the problem is to draft DLs and put them together with some veteran FAs, who you also have to have if you don’t want a sieve-like defense. There was no way to erase the missing development. A gap can’t be erased. And at the point when I was writing, back in 2008, it was startlingly apparent that we had a gap, and the only solution I could honestly offer was no solution. Just draft some prospects, sign some FAs, and then wait a while.

I shudder to think of where we’d be now if Shanahan hadn’t been fired in 2008. There was certainly enthusiam for rebuilding the defense but many of the ideas still tended to be somewhat incremental. According to some, we should have fired the DC and loaded up on DLs in the draft and everything would then be OK, or might be. Some fans were for obliterating the defense and starting over again and it would have been a good idea if nature hadn’t already done it for us. The exception to the ‘blow it all up’ sentiment — of course — was the offense. That would have left us with two overpaid (by now) stars leading the offense, named Cutler and Marshall. Pardon me if I don’t get excited about what Shanahan left in the cupboard.

A final idea that I’ve advocated over the course of the last two years is rebuilding the OL. This biggest problem with this suggestion was that — in 2008 — it was about as popular as painting over the ceiling on the Sistine Chapel. I tried to sell people on the idea of drafting OLs in 2008 and again in 2009, but the idea didn’t really catch on till the 2009 season progressed. And then it caught on like wild fire. I can’t claim any special knowledge but I will say that it wasn’t that hard to see problems down the road. Shanahan can pat himself on the back for what he thinks he left behind but I’ve had a queasy feeling since 2005. We’re hardly out of the woods yet but there was a far bigger problem then some are willing to acknowledge.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Sep 15, 2010 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ski...you need to run your own site. Your knowledge of football and way of relaying it is second to none. You have some of all my thoughts, and then some.

Its funny…you feel like your fandom is questioned if you call Shanahan out at all.
I think the shape he left the broncos in was reprehensible. The true genius was lady luck…he inherited a HOF QB and some talent that had been assembled by Reeves and had some gambles pan out. But that was it.
Thanks for your comments.
AWESOME!

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Sep 15, 2010 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

on attitudes
.. you feel like your fandom is questioned if you call Shanahan out at all.

Actually, I think it’s too easy to criticize Shahahan now and I don’t want to engage in criticism just because it’s an easy target. I, too, was willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to Shahahan, so the criticism that I had was more directed at the organization in general. Many of us were in a pro-Shanahan mindset and willing to accept the yearly sacrificial DC firing and our yearly bad luck in the FA market and draft (which had changed with the Goodmans).

What I was trying to do in the comment above is reconnect with my comments from two years ago on the topic of team building. Much of my analysis prefigured what McDaniels and Xanders would do and much of it unintentionally indicted Shanahan’s & the organization’s past failures. I didn’t criticize anyone at that time but rather, I developed a strategy for how to go about rebuilding the team.

What people tend to misunderstand now is how pervasive that pro-Shanahan attitude was and how reflexively critical the attitude was that followed. There was clearly some things of value in the Shanahan cupboard but the belief that there was far more is due to the Shanahan Kool-aid. People are loath to admit that they drank the Shanahan Kool-aid just as, for instance, more voters will claim to have supported the winning candidate immediately after an election than actually did. These ‘extra’ voters fall into two categories — those that rewrite history and those that rewrite the present. Peoples’ opinions are quite plastic. I don’t care ‘what’ people believe but ‘why,’ because the latter demonstrates that some thought went into the decision whereas the prior is often just a stance that hides dubious motives.

"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics

by Colinski on Sep 15, 2010 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t like being told I should thank God daily for McX. That to me is the exact equivalent (from the other side) of the DP dopes that come here calling Josh… McStupid.

I like Boydy. We usually get along and I read/listen/contemplate his point of view. But not this time. No way. His post today was a thoughtless and unsubstantiated one and I’m calling it out as such.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the shanny hate......

I agree with the bulk of your post and don’t understand why so many around here want to hate on Shanny. He made mistakes? He made bad personnel moves? I am sure no coach has ever done that. I think people forget how many of his free agent pick-ups worked out INCREDIBLY WELL during the good years including 2 super bowls.

I think people forget the incredible number of things he had to get right for us to win two super bowls and be a good team many other years. Time will tell if McD will do as well.

by Keyworthpunch on Sep 15, 2010 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can't speak for everyone here but have a feeling I'm in the majority

when I say that I don’t hate on Shanny, don’t want to dump on him, and will always, always have great respect and appreciation for what he did as a coach for the broncos. He brought us two Super Bowl wins, the first two, and the only two. And in a row. Sure he had Elway, but he was a great coach, no doubt about it. He also did some good things from a management standpoint but we don’t need to gloss over the fact that he did a lot of damage as GM that basically made it hard for Shanny the coach to overcome Shanny the GM. It doesn’t need to be either/or, black or white. He was a great coach who we should have respect for, and who will always have a soft spot in our hearts. He is probably STILL a great coach who I wish well in DC. He’s just not a good GM. Just because we investigate history and the facts of the case mean we have to take sides in one camp or another.

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by underdog on Sep 15, 2010 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

No Longer a Redskins Hater

I always hated the Redskins for their smugness and the role they played in keeping an NFL team out of Baltimore for a few years, but

having Shanny coach the Redskins is fun. I get to enjoy the Broncos, the Ravens and the Redskins. Having Broncos dispersed all over the NFL does for me what fantasy football does for others, I just enjoy watching more teams.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 15, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think you are overreacting.

Shanahan helped sow the seeds of his own demise here by surrounding himself with yes men who were afraid to tell him when he was making mistakes. These people often ended up as scapegoats when Mike had a lapse in judgment.

You can lay part of the blame on Bowlen for letting things GET that way, and Pat has said as much. Sometimes when a coach has a lot of success and is in one place for that long thins they end up getting carte blanche from ownership and things get this way. They get stolid and set in their ways and fail to see the game and the league changing around them.

So, Bowlen pulled a Jerry Jones and fired a legend whose time had passed. But in this case Mike has started over somewhere else with a new perspective and looks like he’s going to be fine.

Let’s not be too hard on the guy. Shanahan isn’t the first coach ever to make these mistakes. McJunior and Co are going to and HAVE make their share, too so I’m going to be patient.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Sep 15, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

And the boydy express crashes...again

Uneducated and ignorant. McD and Xanders have proven nothing thus far. They have translated nothing into victories. The Broncos were competetive with Shanahan, as evidenced by the same W-L record. McX have added “value-players” and nothing else. No game-changers. And McDaniels miracle offense has done nothing but step backwards – failing to even score 20 points against a suspect Jacksonville defense.

Your man-love for McDaniels/Xanders/Orton has reached critical mass.

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.

by improv88 on Sep 15, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whatever...and your total bias for any opinion other than your own has reached critical mass too mate!

You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

Harv Neptune.

by boydy2669 on Sep 15, 2010 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think you can call Branson a miss

He got injured you can’t predict that. He’s not a hit either perhaps we need to come up with an injured category for players where you won’t ever be able to tell?

Then again if you pick a guy with injury problems you wouldn’t stick him in that category either.

by Fan in Exile on Sep 15, 2010 7:01 AM MDT reply actions  

PFF Analysis of Jax Game

I know there are a lot of people who don’t like PFF, but they do some good analysis a lot of the time.

Broncos OLB Jason Hunter, who started the game for the Broncos but was substituted for often throughout, pressured Garrard three times on only five pass-play snaps.

Protecting on 39 pass plays, Beadles allowed his quarterback to be pressured, hit, or sacked ten times. Beadles allowed pressure at a rate of 26%.

Rushing on only 17 snaps, Ayers recorded four total pressures, good for a +3.1 pass rush rating. Ayers did a solid job defending the run in addition to rushing the passer, with three of his four tackles for stops.

by Todd Jewell on Sep 15, 2010 7:08 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Unfortunately, Beadles terrible play was very obvious. Orton is going to get smacked around hard until Ryan Harris returns. Beadles is no more a RT than Walton or Rich Quinn would be.

Denver MUST spend a decent (4th or 5th round) draft pick on a Tackle in the 2011 draft. Having no depth at tackle doomed us in 2009 and it has already cost us a game in 2010.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 7:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm Pretty Sure

we don’t have either our 4th or 5th round pick (the Maroney trade and the Cox/Kirlew trade).

That’s not to say we won’t recoup one somehow nor to say your point isn’t right. Will just have to be a 3rd round pick.

by MD413 on Sep 15, 2010 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Based on all the trading around McD does, what picks we have the day before the draft will be quite different from what unfolds on draft day.

So I stand by my guns. A 4th or 5th rounder.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

McD is good at stocking picks.

If we need them we’ll get them. A fourth rounder isn’t hard to come by.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Sep 15, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Orton makes it difficult on the o-line

Orton has many abilities an elite quarterback needs. One he does not have is pocket awareness. He is not terrible in this phase but he is not good either. One of the pressures and I think it was actually a sack was as much Orton’s fault as Beadles. Kampman got a good jump and took a hard up the field rush. Beadles did a decent job of forcing him up the field. The problem was Orton was in a really deep drop, remember the offensive lineman does not know where the quarterback is. In this situation the last thing Beadles wants to do is allow Kampman to make some sort of inside move off the up the field rush. The quarterback can adjust to a deep up the field rush by an outside rusher, especially one on the right side for a right handed quarterback, by simply stepping up in the pocket. A quarterback can not adjust as well if the RT allows the up the field rusher to make a move back inside. Orton stood there, he had plenty of time to step up in the pocket, in which case, the angle would have been wrong for Kampman to get back in the play by curling around off the deep up the field rush. Finally Orton stepped up but way too late, Kampman was already on him.

This is not a hate Orton post. It is not a Beadles did a good job post. People fail to realize how much a quarterback helps the offensive line just by taking a few steps; up, sliding to the side or even a step back in rare cases. I think Orton has been working on this along with his footwork this year, but he still has a ways to go. He may never get there, achieving a high level of pocket awareness might be something that can not be coached. Damn did Elway have it, often times even from the blind side.

by Keyworthpunch on Sep 15, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

One of the sacks was entirely on Orton (too slow to unload the ball), but the other two were just whiffs by Beadles or Daniels. Maybe Mike Vick escapes or Dan Marino throws it away with his bullet release, but most QBs would be dead men walking on those two plays.

Beadles has ZERO future as an NFL tackle.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really? After one game?

I am gonna go ahead and say that we certainly don’t have enough data to declare that.

Not saying I don’t think you may be right, but based on the evidence at hand – he has had one bad game.

by jonahsilas on Sep 15, 2010 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

He’s a guard. At least that is where I hope he ends up… For Orton’s sake anyway.

Denver: 32-33 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 15, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maroney's Past Production

It seems like Maroney’s production as a Patriot after an explosive college career seems a lot like Clinton Portis’s production in Washington after an explosive career both in college and with the Broncos. Maybe its a system thing rather than a player thing. Maybe McD can fix it, but the new Broncos are more like thePatriots and the old Washington, than the old Broncos. Hope McD can change it. Good Luck Maroney. Welcome to the Broncos.

by opinion8r on Sep 15, 2010 7:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Maroney's production....

Moreso than just about any other team, NE rotates backs like crazy. I’d bet if you put up the 1-4 RB’s production since he was drafted, there wouldn’t be much disparity in touches. Morris, Faulk, Jordan, Taylor, Evans (FB), ….the list is seemingly ensless LOL.

Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Sep 15, 2010 7:59 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't know what will happen in Sunday's game

but is anyone not chomping at the bit about facing Seattle’s makeshift OL? I’m sure Polumbus will be motivated and all but… Gosh, Broncos better bring the rush on Sunday.

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 15, 2010 8:33 AM MDT reply actions  

we're going up against

Polumbus and Hamilton on the left side….if we don’t get a few sacks in this game….

Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?

by T.Dot_Bronco on Sep 15, 2010 8:45 AM MDT reply actions  

You could've just said, Ditto what underdog said! ;-)

(agreed!)

There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.

by underdog on Sep 15, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Truer words have never been spoken.

If Hamilton and Polumbus (el Matador) don’t get lit up, I’m panicking…..hard!

by Gristle McThornbody on Sep 15, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Klis is a tool.

He’s always jumping to conclusions and making mountains out of molehills. Worse yet, he tries to be snarky like Woody, and fails miserably at it.

Get your own schtick, Klis.

You're either a fan or you're not.

by TheMastermind on Sep 15, 2010 9:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Of course McD does not have much dead money he just started heh

To really evaluate him, he needs to coach for a number of years. To few data points and he could look like he has too much or he has been very wise with respect to dead money.

by Keyworthpunch on Sep 15, 2010 9:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Not sure if you made the added point John...

That if Jarvis signs with another club, that salary is offset from what the Broncos owe him. So when he signs (agrees to what he wants to get paid by the Browns) than there is even less Dead Money.

I try to keep up with all the twitter updates, but that one may have passed me by.

by BroncoInExile on Sep 15, 2010 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Did I read that Tyler Polumbus is starting this week for SEA

I hope Hasslebeck is going to be ok after Sunday. He’s going to get flattened.

by BroncoInExile on Sep 15, 2010 11:32 AM MDT reply actions  

cause our pass rush has shown so much thus far

by Todd Jewell on Sep 15, 2010 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

and Polumbus is so talented to keep Ayers at bay?

It’s a recipe for disaster against any NFL pass rush. Mr. Glass quarterback protected by Polumbus.

by BroncoInExile on Sep 15, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

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