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Tebow vs Quinn Comparison

 

Taking a look at the limited sample of preseason statistics it is clear that Tim Tebow has had the edge over Brady Quinn.  Tonight Quinn has a lot of ground to make up to show Denver that he is the number two QB.  Tebow has been able to lead his team to touchdowns Quinn has lead his team to field goals.  Quinn has to lead a touchdown drive to be second on the depth chart behind Orton.



Below are the numbers of both QBs in the Preseason Weeks 1-3

Star-divide

Completion

Tebow

yards

Quinn

yards

1 5 6
2 7 -1
3 6 24
4 21 5
5 17 4
6 9 5
7 7 4
8 33 8
9 14 8
10 12 4
11 19 31
12 24 18
13 3 16
14   7
15   2
16   12
17   2
18   0
Tebow Quinn
Percentage of comps over 10 yards 53% 29%
Percentage of comps under 6 yards 15% 47%
Tebow Quinn
QB Rating 77.6 55.05
Total Yards 177 185
Yards per game 89 61
Attempts 23 35
Completions 13 18
comp pct 56.5 51.4
TDs 1 0
INTs 1 1
Fumbles 0 2
Rushing Yds 10 4
Rushing TDs 1 0
Drive Summary
Tebow Quinn
3 & Outs  2 2
Punts 1 5
Field Goals 1 4
Touchdowns 2 0
INT 1 1
QB Fumble 0 1
Other Fumble 1 0
Total Drives 8 13
Drives to Score 2.66 3.25
Points per drive 2.12 0.92
 

 

Snaps 40 72

Tebow has not only shown better numbers, but also more confidence.   Quinn has been very indecisive with his throws.  He has also been up and down on his accuracy.  I think Tim wins out the second string spot unless Quinn does a 180 in the upcoming game and leads a couple of drives that end in touchdowns.

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Great Job 007

Your stats confirmed what I was seeing with the naked eye. Tebow is more comfortable, more effective, and has led our team better than Quinn. Wild Horse or no Tebow should be our #2.

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 10:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Good job with stats but that is not the end of the story...

It appears to me that Tebow is making quicker decisions and getting the ball out faster than Quinn. Tebow is better at scrambling and trying to make a play where there is nothing in front of him (rushing touchdown against Cincy). Bottom line Tebow himself acknowledges that he has a long way before he becomes a starter in the NFL, but as a rookie he is already ahead of the 4 year veteran Quinn!

by Adam Manter on Sep 2, 2010 10:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Wouldn’t your avatar pic make more sense if it was a scope zeroing in on a Raider logo.

If he plays like he has the rest of the preseason, I’m not even sure how we justify keeping Quinn on the roster, let alone the 3rd QB.

He looks woefully lost out there. If Orton went down vs Jacksonville, there is no doubt in my mind that we should turn to Tebow 1st.

And that’s not because I think Tebow is ready. It’s because Quinn looks like he is going to be about as effective as Simms was last year.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 2, 2010 10:31 AM MDT reply actions  

James Bond has a target on him at the begining of his movies.

  But I did think about it. I should probably have my name in the bullseye. Honestly when you post on this or any Broncos forum you become a target yourself. People generally post negative comments easier than positive ones. So I always appricate the postives more. Though I am not a big fan of Orton so I catch a lot of flak.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should put a bullseye on a picture of Orton.

Google Kyle Orton drunk for fun pictures.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 2, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL. That's funny, but he is still the starting QB

I’ll wait until Orton gets benched in favor of Tebow. May have to wait awhile.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why'd you change you image by the way McG?

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

This entire preseason

I keep having to remind myself Quinn isn’t Simms. He was looking much better in Training Camp. He’s a Bronco, so I want him to kick a$$, but, man.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 2, 2010 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting

to do the same comparison between Orton and Tebow

by Dale Swahn on Sep 2, 2010 10:46 AM MDT reply actions  

naw,

Orton has him beat hands down right now. But he also has more playing time.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Sep 2, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not yet ready for WWIII

Seriously that comparison is only coming when Tebow starts a few games. Until then I would be cautious.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 10:59 AM MDT reply actions  

two observations

Quinn’s only had two three-and-outs? Seems like so much more.

Also, can you imagine the howling that would be happening if Tebow had fumbled twice so far?

Goes to show what bias does…

by tunesmith on Sep 2, 2010 12:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Quinn has put together more TD drives for our defensive opponents than he orchestrated for the Broncos. Considering he has played in three games now, that scares me in a bad way.

Denver: 32-32 until we're not.

by McGeorge on Sep 2, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Howling? Have you read any of the comments about Quinn recently

Most people want him cut or traded.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow had another interception and a fumble

Tebow’s interception and fumble partially cost the Broncos the game against the Vikings. Tebow also had a nice TD pass to Willis.

Quinn had a great TD pass to Arnett— without any interceptions.

I think Tebow is a rookie work in progress who is not ready for the number 2 position. In a big game where Orton gets hurt—I want a more experienced backup like Quinn coming off the bench.

I really think Quinn is ready to enter games when Orton is injured, and try to win games now. Tebow needs a lot of work reading defenses, and I see him having turnover issues in big games if Orton gets injured.

by todd7 on Sep 2, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow over Quinn any day of the week.

Tebow was playing against a better defense and came out with a 102.9. Quinn was playing against the nobodies and came out with a 103.1. Despite his early mistakes, Tebow still has my vote.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Royal_Fan on Sep 2, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow is the reason we lost that game

I think he played very, very well after that, but those two mistakes were a major part of the reason we lost.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 3, 2010 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm in no way opposing that

The real question is if Brady would have done any better. I’m not dillusional with thoughts that Tebow would lead us to the super bowl if Orton went down. (although I am dillusional enough to expect a playoff run this season). But Tebow had two major mistakes during his time on the field that cost us dearly — or the game if you run the nubmers. But he recovered nicely from that and his stats after that were amazing for a rookie. I love Quinn and for the first time in my life am extremely happy with all three quarterbacks on our team. However, if he made the same mistakes Tebow made (which I consider very possible) I don’t see him recovering the same way. Also, I’m still hoping to see Tebow in special packages, and the only way that happens is if he’s number 2 and not the emergency quarterback. As far as I’m concerned it’s Tebow all the way.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Royal_Fan on Sep 3, 2010 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

You should include number of snaps, if possible…..

I think Tebow, though he has ‘unofficially’ (because it’s official, but it’s preseason so it doesn’t count still, LoL) taken less snaps, has definitely shown, from a completely objective standpoint – that he deserves the backup spot. And I’m not just saying through the preseason. From everything I saw in Training Camp as well.

Good layout though – much appreciated.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 2, 2010 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

The number of snaps can be really misleading

because Quinn handed the ball off a lot. The difference in snaps really was the Detroit game where Tebow was hurt and didn’t player

Quinn got 6 drives in that game and attempted 11 pases.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is a very good point

Perhaps number of snaps, and number of hand-offs would be pertinent.

Do you have the #‘s? It’d be cool to have on there with the rest.

Thanks again, great info to have! (even without the snaps and running play count)

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 2, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course

After tonight will really be when to compile the #’s and compare.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 2, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

The reason I posted this before the game

was to be able to have an idea of where each player stands before their final tryout preformance. Glad you liked the comparison.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Added Snaps - Wow that was eye opening

Quinn didn’t throw on nearly the same percentage of his snaps as Tebow.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great to look at the stats

If I’m not mistaken though, the 1 under other fumbles should be on Quinn not Tebow though, right?

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Royal_Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Other fumbles are drives that ended by someone else fumbling other than Quinn

He did have one more fumble in the detroit game, but was able to recover it and they punted.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clearing that up.

And sorry to doubt your numbers.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Royal_Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's Ok

It does seem like Quinn fumbled a lot more. Got my stats by digging through the play by play drives on NFL.com. So unless they got something wrong.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very nice job with the stats, 007

One quick question and an observation:

And please understand that I’m not disputing that Tebow has looked better than Quinn in the preseason.

How many drives has each of the QBs directed?

One thing that is often overlooked when going to just stats (something I have to be careful with in everything I write LOL) is the effect of play calling & play situation on stats.

What pass plays (short, medium, long) have been called for each, have there been penalties that forced the offense to cover more ground and/or wiped out a good gain, etc. When a QB was sacked, was it simply a case of his holding the ball too long, did the protection break down, did the receivers not get open?

I agree that if Quinn wants the #2 spot, he’s going to have to light it up against Minnesota and have Tebow have a horrendous outing.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Sep 2, 2010 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Tebow 8 Drives and Quinn 13 Drives

They are in bold beneath other fumbles. I updated to show Total.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wish people would rec'd posts like this with stats so they stay up longer.

Would make it easier to reference. Even though I create them it’s still a pain to pull them up on the PC instead of jsut clicking on the link on MHR.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

But hey, stat’s pieces come and go, I know considering almost all my posts are built that way. A good way to keep it alive is whenever someone mentions this topic in a comment a week from now, just make a comment linking this post.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's alright

You’re just going to do it again after tonight and put up another post anyway, right?

…Right???
Kidding there, but I’m with you, I always wonder why so many (worthy) posts go un-recommended….

Especially if you start talking about the ones on the front page – I mean, I can understand not Rec’ing Horse Tracks every day (though they are certainly worthy), but when I see BShrout’s, Sayre’s, Kaptain’s, KB’s, or Mr. Bena’s posts for that matter, go un-rec’d, and I can imagine it’s because they’re already on the front page… But that’s no excuse if it’s worthy.

There. That feels better. Thanks for providing the opening for that outlet, I apparently needed it. Oh, and rec’d LoL

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm no Quinn fan

But I went back and rewatched the past three games, and while I did see Quinn struggle with confidence, I also saw different play calling. When Quinn took the field, most of the plays called looked like plays from last year, short slants or screens, as well as more rushing plays were called with Quinn then Tebow, which might be a big part of why Quinn’s passes usually went for less yardage. I agree Tebow has played better, better then I expected, he’s most certainly not playing great at this point.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 1:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Good Point

They called a lot of run plays and short bubble/slant patterns with Quinn in. Wish we could see what they are running in practice.

by agentj007 on Sep 2, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Tebow has always been confident, and hasn’t had a real struggle yet in a game that would shake it. Quinn on the other hand has struggled his whole career, partly due to his own personal weakness, but also due to playing in Cleveland. If Quinn is to play well, he needs to have his confidence boosted, and having Orton ahead of you is the best way to due it. When Quinn threw his first interception, he ran back to the sidelines without talking to anyone. He sat alone for a moment, the Orton walked by, sat next to him, leaned over and whispered something. Quinn burst out laughing. After that you see Quinn, Orton and Tebow looking over the playbook. There’s nothing better then having a real leader ahead of you to help you grow.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

Very valid observations.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 2, 2010 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think part of the problem

is when we do call longer pass plays Quinn gets panicky and holds on to the ball too long and then he’s sacked.

Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!

by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 2, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Possible

But four of the six of Quinn’s sacks were the offensive line just breaking apart. The other two were him holding it too long. So maybe those sacks were deep passes, but on four of those, it wouldn’t matter who was in the pocket really, it would be tough to get a long pass off.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not a college football expert by any means...

But I’m wondering if the difference in plays can be attributed to their schools. Maybe Quinn is getting more New England style plays because of Weis and Tebow is getting more Florida style plays since I’ve heard a lot about that’s the direction we’re heading. That’s just a complete guess though, I haven’t seen enough of either of those two teams play though to recognize their plays.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Royal_Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

More McSubterfuge

Maybe Coach has this plan – put Tebow in on “and short” plays and lure the defense to sneak up to the line thinking that he is going to option/run. Then, bam, he drops back and bombs a long big play. So get him practice now on throwing the longer throws. Conversely, they know if Quinn is going in, it is because Orton just went down/out with injury. Thus, his role will be to settle the team down with some running plays and short passes. I think the play calling may reflect this “strategery”?

by Bradoncadonc on Sep 2, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

tebow has a bright future...

…quinn does not. the rest is just details at this point. tebow as a backup, quinn as an emergency #3, if they want to dress him. i really don’t see anything i like in quinn, or even something to build on. his starting days are over, maybe he can grow into the backup qb role-next season. i believe in him like i believe in jarvis moss-i just don’t. i couldn’t even identify his strengths, if i had to. that’s a problem, and it’s not just the playbook.

orton/tebow should be good enough right now to get it done. both look promising, for now and the future. both concern me in some way, but together i like what they can bring. love our receivers, just need some help from the all-important running game. the o-line is a work in progress, but i think we have it covered, with help from our te’s and backs, if necessary.

taste my blitzkrieg!
sign champ now

by davecheffy on Sep 2, 2010 2:59 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Cut Quinn

If the Bears put LeFevour on waivers, grab him. The “fever” has looked great in preseason and had a fantastic college career. Bears don’t have room for him after adding Collins. Right now, he’s better than Quinn.

by rocko1 on Sep 2, 2010 5:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Ah nothing like bandwagoning.

Well I guess you, like me, weren’t huge fans of the Quinn trade, but LeFevour is a rookie, he’s underdeveloped and has learned in a much different system the McD is running. If we are going off preseason quarterbacks, we should most likely go after Rex Grossman or Like McCown. Preseason quarterback ratings don’t mean a lot, especially ones that come against 2nd and 3rd stringers. I’m not a Quinn fan, but he’s here, he’s getting his head around the playbook, and I don’t want to have to deal with more drama from another quarterback coming in.

I also think the Bears will hold onto LeFevour considering how poor their other back ups are.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grossman?

No thankyou! IMO, If Quinn can’t beat out Tebow he should be cut. I have watched the “Fever” during the preseason and I’m impressed. He moves very well outside the pocket, and reminds a little me of Joe Montana. Good arm and smart. The Bears have to keep Hannie and Collins in the backup spots. That implies they will try to sneak LeFevor through to the practice squad. I say grab him off waivers.

by rocko1 on Sep 2, 2010 5:55 PM MDT reply actions  

Hey, he played great in the preseason

If that’s all were going on, it shows how poor a judge the preseason is. Besides a safety, he has played very well.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Sep 2, 2010 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

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