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POLL: Who Should Be The #2 Quarterback For The Broncos??

The preseason is <thankfully> over.  We've seen enough to know Kyle Orton is deservedly the starting quarterback of the Denver Broncos.  We've also seen the good and bad of both Tim Tebow and Brady Quinn.  That brings us to the question on everyone's mind.  Who should be the #2 quarterback?

Before you answer, I want you to think of the question this way:  Kyle Orton is hurt and is going to miss 4 weeks of the season.  Who would give the Broncos the best chance to compete and win those games. 

Ok, answer away, and feel free to explain yourself in the comments!

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If Kyle Orton was hurt and was going to miss a month (or more), who should be the quarterback of the Broncos?
Tim Tebow
1213 votes
Brady Quinn
361 votes

1574 votes | Poll has closed

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If Orton is hurt

Then the season is over. Well, maybe not Chris Simms over, but over more or less. Why not put Tebow in at that point.

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by jcd823 on Sep 2, 2010 11:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Again...

I said 4 weeks… Say the Broncos are sitting at 7-3. Going 2-2 during that month would keep the Broncos at 9-5, right in the thick of it…

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by John Bena on Sep 2, 2010 11:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Tebow...

I am definitely cognizant that despite our biases, Quinn has actually had a pretty good quarterback rating this preseason, and has a lot of skill and ability.

But for me, it just seems like Tebow rises up for pressure situations, while Quinn doesn’t quite have that confidence yet.

On third down, I look forward to Tebow taking the snap. For Quinn, I dread it. For Orton, I still can’t quite believe he converted it.

Orton’s definitely got the system knowledge down. But I have to go with Tebow for backup – I think he’s more likely to make something good happen without knowing the entire system.

His fumble tonight was just simple inexperience. Reps takes care of that. His interception was him testing the limits, that was an aggressive, advanced pass. He didn’t have any dumb “are you kidding me?” mistakes. I think it definitely has to be Tebow.

by tunesmith on Sep 2, 2010 11:13 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

I wonder what people would say of Tim if he wasn't famous

The way he’s performed as a rookie new to Josh’s system is quite remarkable. The few mistakes he’s made (can anyone forget Orton’s 3 picks in the SF preseason opener) have more than made up for by the plays made. He’s a rookie competing with 2 veterans one of whom has an entire year in this system.

If he wasn’t TIM TEBOW, ALL AMERICAN, I wonder if his critics would be he’s biggest supporters.
I put the fumbled snap on Walton. He short armed it in order to get into blocking position. Tim’s fingers never touched the ball.

by John in Castle Rock on Sep 3, 2010 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I get the felling

Quinn plays not to lose, and Tebow plays to win. That is mostly why I chose him.

Making sense of it all takes a whole lot a concentration

by plainview88 on Sep 2, 2010 11:13 PM MDT reply actions   4 recs

+1

Yeah he lives on the edge, but he is a rookie. Once he gets used to the speed and timing I am convinced he will be a dual threat. But I choose to sit him, just for wear and tear, I think he can learn from the sidelines and kick ass next year

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by DjSarcazm on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Quality repsones...

I don’t want this to turn into a debate that bashes either guy… For sure….But this is how coaches think. Who gives us the best chance to go 2-2 if our starter is gone for 4 games. Anything more than that, you are getting into danger territory, as mentioned above.

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by John Bena on Sep 2, 2010 11:15 PM MDT reply actions  

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by John Bena on Sep 2, 2010 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well how do we know 2-2 is a bad thing?

I could see a team like the Colts, Saints or Vikings saying that, the Broncos? Ehh, I’m not so sure .500 is considered a bad thing these days. But I see what you mean about a coach’s mind set being that way.

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by GoldenNugget on Sep 2, 2010 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow has looked much more confident than Quinn

I trust him much much more to come back from an interception than Quinn.

Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Jabar Gaffney, Eddie Royal, Matthew Willis..Brandon who?

by stedtfeld on Sep 2, 2010 11:19 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Given any scenario, I'd go Tebow over Quinn.... However...

Tebow is for sure going to be the number two. Typically the thrid string QB is deactivated on gameday and is therefor unavailable for use on the field. If we’re going to use him in wild horses and other formations with or around Orton, Tebow is going to have to be active.

Tebow is second string. Quinn is parking cars.

J

by Jezru on Sep 2, 2010 11:25 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Quinn's the emergency QB

And that makes Tebow the #2.

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by Horsepower on Sep 2, 2010 11:27 PM MDT reply actions  

Doesn't the emergency QB have to be on the practice squad?

If so, the broncos aren’t in a position to take advantage of this in either way (Tebow would certainly qualify for the P/S, but somehow I don’t think he’d clear waivers…)

I might be wrong here, and if I am then your scenario makes a lot of sense.

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by Hercules Rockefeller on Sep 3, 2010 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, not on PS

He must be on the 53 man roster. The 3rd QB can be one of the game day inactives, meaning they dress 44 players (43 on the Active Game day list +1 Emergency QB)

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by KaptainKirk on Sep 3, 2010 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it's actually 45

You have 53 on your roster, 8 of which must be inactive on game-day. But — you can declare one of those 8 to be your emergency quarterback. If he comes in at any point before the 4th quarter (and it might be later in the quarter, I just can’t remember), then the other two are not allowed back on the field.

I think it’s the 8 on the PS vs. the 8 inactives that confuses the issue. The two groups are not the same. The PS guys never get into the game without cutting someone else and signing a real contract, but the inactive guys could be on the active list next week.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 3, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

I had a nebulous idea of how it all worked, but this makes it very clear.

Don’t get me wrong, I was pumped that Quinn was coming to the Broncos (a little sad to see Hillis go, but that’s football). Tebow just adds more versatility to special packages and can confuse opposing defenses.

Based on his play and the above, there’s no question he’ll be #2.

by Jezru on Sep 3, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Well, I think I’d enjoy Tebow more simply because he’d make the game more exciting.

But as for who would give us a better chance? I’m leaning towards Quinn right now, but only slightly.

I don’t think any of us know what’s going on in the QB meetings at Dove Valley. Tebow might well be operating a simplified version of the Offense. And if he is, it would only take one game (maybe even a half) for an opposing DC to absolutely shut us down.

The glory of the Belichik/McDaniels offense is the oft-cited “Amoeba” style that keeps it from becoming too predictable. If Tebow is a more mechanically gifted QB with a better arm, better leadership skills, and a harder work ethic— but for now has to run an offense that’s predictable by NFL caliber football minds, I think I’d prefer a player who has a slightly worse arm, a little less confidence, is less popular with the teammates, but is capable of running the real offense, at least somewhat.

I’d bet on Ryan Clady vs. Chris Johnson in a 40 yard dash if CJ had to hop on one leg.

by M1911 on Sep 2, 2010 11:28 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

Exactly.

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by EastCoastBronco on Sep 3, 2010 12:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted TT, but...

…this is a great point. Didn’t think about it ‘til you brought it up. If it’s true, then I’d lean Quinn too.

But here’s why I think TT’s using the same version of the offense and not a simplified one… By giving TT the traditional #2 reps in the last two preseason games, that tells me that McD is all-in on figuring out if TT can be the #2. Preseason games really the best option to get your #2 ready in the event of 1st string injury during the regular season. Why waste those critical #2 QB reps on TT this year if you really don’t think he’ll be the #2 (not just an experiment) when the season happens. If it was only about evaluating TT ability overall, you could do that with the “3rd” stringers at the end of the game. So I think, based on where McD played TT in the preseason games, he’s ready to have TT be the guy this year…and that’s ballsy…

Just my theory…feedback welcome!

by oneline on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

and to finish the thought....

IF TT is groomed to be #2 this year, McD’s throwing the whole book at him to see how he handles it. Just my opinion. Obviously there’s degrees in what “whole book” means (it’s been widely reported that Orton has more options this year than last), but the point being I think TT would have the same “whole book” that Quinn has if he’s playing in the #2 spot in the past two games

by oneline on Sep 3, 2010 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Before this game tonight I would have said Tebow

But Quinn finally showed that he can move the ball and every one of his passes (except for 1 down by the goal line) looked sharp and on the money. His problem up to this game was his inability to pull the trigger and this game he just seemed to let it fly.

From what I saw tonight I’m fairly confident that Quinn can come in and run the offense as long as he doesn’t freeze up when the game lights are on. If KO goes down I say put Quinn in as the immediate replacement. Based off of how he plays in that game is what will determine who starts the next one.

Bottom line, if Orton does go down (knock on wood), I’m fairly confident in whoever gets the nod. Much better off than the recent backup QB options of Chris Simms and Patrick Ramsey.

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by c_style on Sep 2, 2010 11:33 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Good response

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by wyoeng on Sep 3, 2010 8:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow all the way

Hell I’d vote for Tebow being 1st string if I could. I just don’t see how Orton gives us any better of a chance at winning than him at this point.

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by GoldenNugget on Sep 2, 2010 11:33 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Then you haven't watched this pre-season.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 3, 2010 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I chose the quarterback who'd rally the whole team

Which QB picked up the LB who recovered Branson’s fumble and drove him back 3 yards?

That’s a leader baby.

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by orange&blue_aussie on Sep 2, 2010 11:45 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

Quinn

Before tonight, I would have said Tebow. But with playing a rookie QB comes dealing with the rookie mistakes. Quinn showed tonight that he can be effective. I’d prefer to keep the pressure off Orton and Tebow. Tebow as a 2nd stringer is liable to become a distraction, especially if — god forbid — the Broncos struggle in the middle of the season. So, for now, I’d say I’d go with Quinn.

by Orange Rush on Sep 2, 2010 11:53 PM MDT reply actions  

It’ll be hard to keep the pressure off Orton, he’s the starter.

Making sense of it all takes a whole lot a concentration

by plainview88 on Sep 2, 2010 11:54 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm on the fence with this

We don’t really know the complexity of plays called for each QB. If Quinn is getting the full playbook while Tebow’s getting plays with 1 read, I say Quinn. But if they both are handling the same complexity of plays, I say Tebow.

Really I think McD and Co. Will make the best choice, and as of now I don’t think anyone outside of them has enough info to decide

by DBroncs1414 on Sep 3, 2010 12:03 AM MDT reply actions  

No, you do. In the end they make a guess and so would you.

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by DjSarcazm on Sep 3, 2010 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess you didn't read what I wrote

I did make a guess for 2 different scenarios

by DBroncs1414 on Sep 3, 2010 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

McD won't be making a guess

He will be making a decision. We’re the one’s making guesses as to what his decision will be.

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by c_style on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would agree with Quinners based on tonights game to a point...

McD’s preseason is trying to test people. He put Brady in and expected him to RUN the offense. They kept calling running plays in obvious passing situations. I think they were testing Quinn…audible out, make a play and be the man….or stick it out and hand it off, what player are you? If it were just a few I would say whatever, but it seemed like he was always handing the puppy off in situations where the vikes looked like they were ready to jump over the OL to kill the RB…but whatever, we got 3 nice QB’s and we can trade or cut one so we are in a better position than most of the league!!

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by DjSarcazm on Sep 3, 2010 12:03 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

You don't purposely put your quarterback in situations where he might fail

McD doesn’t run that kind of team. You don’t call a run play expecting your quarterback to audible out of it, that show conflict among leaders, something McD doesn’t do.

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by Topher Doll on Sep 3, 2010 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I realize that I am in the minority - but I voted for Quinn.

He is finally picking up the offense a little more. I would play Quinn for a half – if he does not move the offense – put inTebow. Quinn has NFL experience. He is not a real good player, IMO, but he has recent experience (Simms hadn’t played for awhile.)

I would not do what Dan Reeves did in 1992 where he rotated QBs. However, I would keep a short lease.

by Blackknigh on Sep 3, 2010 12:10 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm in the minority too, and voted for Quinn

He ain’t perfect but that’s why he’s a backup. :) He’s also more than capable, and much more experienced than Tebow. I trust him to be less llikely to make a critical turnover, over the talented but still very raw rookie. Tebow is going to be a very good one, I feel, and we’ve seen flashes of his brilliant talent this pre season, but he still needs to work on his footwork and against 1st string defenses is going to have some ups and downs. Down the road, no question, Tebow. But this season, especially earlier, I go with Quinn.

But I hope it doesn’t come to that. :-)

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by underdog on Sep 3, 2010 12:14 AM MDT reply actions  

Outside the Box

What if Tebow is activated as the #2 on game days, but Quinn takes the #2 reps in practice? Tebow runs the scout team and prepares for that week’s special plays. He’s the #2 so he can come in and out freely when those special plays are called for.

Meanwhile, Quinn is getting the #2 reps in practice and is being counted on to fill in for Orton should he go down. It’s a bit tricky if Orton goes down early in a game, as then McD would have to decide whether to put Quinn in and not have a back-up QB should he get hurt, or use Tebow to hopefully keep the Broncs close until it’s the 4th quarter and then put Quinn in to either go for a win or manage keeping a small lead safe.

By giving Quinn all the #2 reps in practice, he’d also be most ready to fill in as the starter for those games when Orton is laid up.

I doubt we’d see a scenario like this, but since this is poll is designed to stimulate debate, why not consider a crazy option or two.

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by Santa Fe Bronc on Sep 3, 2010 12:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Quinn, and it was close

I’m a much bigger fan of Tebow’s future then Quinn’s, and I’m not a huge fan of Quinn at all, but I feel at this point, after this game, he gives us the best chance. Preseason aside, Quinn has been as hard a worker as anyone on the team, he puts in more time then anyone, is a smart player, is physical, and has experience. Tonight I think he got the confidence to keep the #2 job. Tebow has played well this preseason, but as just about anyone will tell you, preseason performance doesn’t always equal success in the regular season. There’s a reason McCown isn’t starting in Jacksonville, or why Rex Grossman or Brian Hoyer isn’t starting, because it comes down to the coaches understanding of the players, how the game went, rather then just what we see on the field.

We don’t know what McD is thinking, or what has been said among the coaches and players. All three of our quarterbacks are very hard workers, all three take accountability for their actions and improve. This preseason was really a tie I think between Quinn and Tebow, and because of that, I think McD sides with experience. But in reality, I think that depending on who we are playing, and what our game plan is, I could see Quinn be #2 one week, Tebow the next, just depending on how McD wants to run the offense.

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by Topher Doll on Sep 3, 2010 12:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Quinn.

Vet over the rookie.

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by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 3, 2010 12:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Would you pick Simms over Tebow too?

I feel that is not an explanation enough…

by isiddiqi on Sep 3, 2010 6:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Simms

wasn’t a QB. He was a body. He was like a shell out there.

by Orange Rush on Sep 3, 2010 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Would you pick Brandstater over Simms?

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by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 3, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Voted for Tebow.

Because even when he makes a rookie mistake, he comes back and takes his team down the field on the next drive. You know unless somebody else turnsover the play. I have been very impressed with how Tebow has played. Take his 1st down run last night, he waited a long time before taking off and running for it. Ya his deliever is long and takes a little long, but the only real bad part about that is he might get a couple more balls batted at the line.

The problem with Quinn, even though he had a good night last night, is he keys in on 1 guy and throws it there no matter what. Didn’t see him check down to his other outlets but a couple of times. You can get away with that against 2nd and 3rd sring guys, but the top guys in the NFL will eat him alive.

The question of who would be the best might come down to a trial and error process. Hopefully the guy that gets the #2 job keeps it and Orton gets hurt, but Orton has never started every game in a season. Last year he missed what would have been 3/4 to a full game, and didn’t start against SD.

by Bron#1 Fan on Sep 3, 2010 4:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Tebow

He’s looking better against second stringers. Quinn has only looked good against the scrubs.

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by Alan_Smithee on Sep 3, 2010 5:11 AM MDT reply actions  

"I'm vexed, I'm terribly vexed"

BQ looks more comfortable before the snap and as he should being in the league longer than TT. After the snap they both have a tendency to telegraph some passes. TT seems to be very upright when under center, that maybe due to his size but i am nervous at every snap. They both have showed good arm strength and some inaccuracy. It really is hard to tell playing behind some of those OL players. TT looks for Willis and BQ looks for Decker. What decides it for me is what happens when the play breaks down. I think they can both follow the script but who plays better when they forget their lines.

I’ll take the GLADIATOR…TT

by Downunder Thunder on Sep 3, 2010 5:33 AM MDT reply actions  

I would pick Tebow as my #2 QB

Quinn looked good against the 2nd/3rd stringers, and loses his command when getting pressure, I think Tebow gives us the best chance to win as he has one thing on mind and that is to try to win the game any which way possible.

I thought until yesterday there was no contest here… I expected Quinn to perform better than the rookie, but I have not even seen him perform at the same level as the rookie.

by isiddiqi on Sep 3, 2010 6:06 AM MDT reply actions  

I voted TT

Mostly because he has a better upside, imho. If KO goes down we might as well get him some playing time. He shows flashes of brilliance and then makes a poor decision. It’s like Cutler all over again, for me. Luckily he is humble enough to improve with time, unlike JC.

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by azdenfan on Sep 3, 2010 6:09 AM MDT reply actions  

another thought

Any bets that if KO goes down (please, no) McD will go all secretive and not announce his starter until the last minute?

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by azdenfan on Sep 3, 2010 6:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

That bad snap reminded me of Cutler all over again ala 2007. I think Tebows attitude is a helluva lot more team orientated. Did you see him after he threw that TD pass to Willis…he was more concerned with the injured lineman than running down the field and celebrating his efforts.
I didn’t get to see him in college and as he is new to me he has showed me that he is a TEAM FIRST kinda player. I like his attitude and his ability to be taught.

by Downunder Thunder on Sep 3, 2010 6:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

My Cutler comparison was on field only, before I get hammered for that one. Off field and character wise, they are night and day. Tebow is a Bronco, while Jay was all about Jay.

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by azdenfan on Sep 3, 2010 6:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

TT

Quinn definately looked better last night, I was very glad to see that. But TT looks like a playmaker, an attacker, much more dynamic and explosive.

I’ll leave it to the coaches to decide who gives Denver the best chance to win, but I voted Tebow if for no other reason than I absolutely LOVE watching him play!!

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by powderaddict on Sep 3, 2010 6:32 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Just worked out the time difference for me and it looks like i’ll be up at 3am for the game against Jacksonville…my wife thinks i’m MAD, however she knew that before we got hitched

by Downunder Thunder on Sep 3, 2010 6:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Have to go with Quinn

Given Guru’s scenario – 4 games only, with a winning record already in place – I’ll take a steadier hand on the wheel. Don’t get me wrong, my favorite thing about Tebow lining up is the feeling of “alright, something is going happen”. I don’t get that feeling with Quinn or Orton. The problem is, that something could easily be a stupid rookie error.

Orton out for the season with a winning record in place? Harder question. 4 games? Give me Quinn.

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by improv88 on Sep 3, 2010 6:49 AM MDT reply actions  

Maybe we should be wondering this instead...

…why isn’t Quinn in the mix to be the #1 in Denver (or in Cleveland, for that matter)?

He has starting quarterback experience in the NFL, has he not?
He had experience in a system similar to McDaniels (a Belichick disciple), which was run by Crennel (a Belichick disciple) at Notre Dame, had he not?
He played for Mangini (a Belichick disciple) in Cleveland, did he not?
And now this thread about #2?

Well, here’s my opinion, for all of Brady Quinn’s experience, he should have been “head & shoulders” above Tebow, who didn’t have any experience running a pro-style system in the NFL.

Here are some stats for Quinn and Tebow. Tebow has 3 touchdowns in the preseason, two in the air, one on the ground, and only been sacked twice. His pass completion % is 64.1 and his QB rating is 88. Quinn has 1 TD and been sacked 7 times. His passing percentage is 57.1 and his QB rating is 73.1.

Quinn should have a clear-cut advantage over Tebow, but the fact that he doesn’t is reason enough to give the nod to Tebow. Plus, if Quinn was really that good, or had the potential, or had a great upside, then why didn’t Mike Holmgren, who is a known quarterback coach, want Brady Quinn in Cleveland?

by 9798 on Sep 3, 2010 7:20 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Sacks

I can’t take it when Quinn sits in the pocket and takes a sack. One sack can kill a drive. At least Tebow makes a decision and either gets out of there or finds someone to throw to. In Kaptains traning camp reports it sounded like Tebow was waiting forever to get rid of the ball, in games it seems like Quinn is the one who holds it forever. Besides if Tim has shown he has the ability to will the team down the field. What are the stats for three and outs for Tebow and Quinn?

by FtCoNative on Sep 3, 2010 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great points +1

Sacks are drive killers and only slightly better thaTO’s. I’ll take the guy with the ability to improvise and keep the chains moving. As plainview aptly stated above:

Quinn plays not to lose, and Tebow plays to win.

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by asinsoin on Sep 3, 2010 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Correction...

…the “Belichick disciple” at Notre Dame was Charlie Weis, not Romeo Crennel.

by 9798 on Sep 3, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like an interesting game

In terms of who’s making that last push onto the roster. No vote for me yet, since I’m waiting for it to DVR on NFLN today. We all know Tebow is the future, but having Quinn perform at a high level is always encouraging.

by orlyinnation on Sep 3, 2010 7:28 AM MDT reply actions  

What does it say?

Orton – Happy to be number 1. Joking with someone.
Tebow – Looking up into the crowd
Quinn – Looking at what is happening on the field.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Sep 3, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

KO: Happy to be the starter and confident in his abilities
BQ: Focused on the cheerleaders
TT: Worried because he can’t find his Mom & Dad in the crowd

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by c_style on Sep 3, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Okay that's great question John.

Looking at the schedule we would play the Rams, Chiefs, Cardinals and Raiders; the later three on the road. I think both could get us to 2-2 in those game; however, I choose Tebow because I believe he’s the best chance to get us three out the four.

"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."

by bchiper on Sep 3, 2010 8:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Is there any 4 game stretch on the schedule that would make you choose BQ over TT?

If not, then the opponents we face would be irrelevant.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by c_style on Sep 3, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

With the given scenario those are games we'd play

another 4 game stretch is irrelevant to the question posed.

"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."

by bchiper on Sep 3, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Understood, but I j-ust

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by c_style on Sep 3, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was just curious if you would choose Quinn over Tebow if the timing of the hypothetical KO injury was different and we were facing different teams.

I understand that you were directly answering the question posed by John. I then posed a new question.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by c_style on Sep 3, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

At this point I'd go Tebow in all scenarios over Quinn.

There is just something about Tebow that makes people around him play better IMO. And that’s important.

"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."

by bchiper on Sep 4, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think its Quinn… Tebow turns the ball over to much… and loose with the football. He has accounted for 17 opposition points off turnovers. That will kill you during the regular season… Both have looked good. Tebow also tends to stare down WR. You can get away with that going against backups not against starters.

by Mike Riley322 on Sep 3, 2010 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

This wasn't even close before last night...

Brady looked like a deer in headlights until his performance last night. I’m worried that that mindset will reoccur against a first string D. But at least last night’s performance made me stop and consider this more thoroughly.

Another way to look at it is….who would you rather have on the field if we were down by 7 at our own 20, with 2:00 left?

I still have to go with TT….For all the reasons that have been stated above.

He has a VERY short memory, and bounces back well.
He looks for deep receivers….not always the dink and dunk plays.
He can escape sacks and make plays out of the pocket.
His desire to just win the game….
He looks composed against 1st stringers.

Will he make mistakes….certainly. But I’d rather have him on the field if we were down by 7 with 2:00 left in the game.

Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Sep 3, 2010 8:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Had to vote for Tebow

1 – He will escape a lot of potential sacks and create a play out of them
2 – I like the zip on his passes
3 – He brings a swagger to the Offense
4 – He is confident
5 – It looks like his teammates believe
6 – The differences in body language between Tebow and Quinn after an Int or sack are worlds apart – an offense feeds off that.
7 – A home game with Tebow playing would blow the eardrums out of the opposing team!

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Sep 3, 2010 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

Stimulating question John

 My immediate answer is, whoever Josh decides, since he’s practically living with these guys and has 1,000 times more data to make the right choice with.

  But that’s a copout answer. My answer like so many above is Tebow for all the reasons Broncotodd , Bronctastic and so many others have stated plus one more.
  
Tebow’s learning curve seems to be so much more accelerated than BQ or for that matter than most qb’s i’ve observed. 4 games with the first string at his learning rate could be invaluable and create several possible scenarios:
 1) He plays, the speed of the game and pressure are too much, he crashes and burns but now knows exactly what he needs to prepare for (not a likely scenario but entirely possible)
 2) He plays and as we have seen, makes some mistakes but for all of the reasons posted above, he also makes plays and gains the experience and confidence, he goes 2-2 but more importantly if Orton goes again (like in the playoffs) he’s tested and ready.
 3) He plays, rises to the test, (as he’s done his whole life) brings major excitement back to Invesco, proves to himself, his team and his coaches that he can win at this level. Giving Josh one hell of a tough decision to make when Orton returns and the MSM and many DP posters major indigestion as they choke on their predictions. (also not highly likely but which would you rather see?)

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Sep 3, 2010 9:43 AM MDT reply actions  

This is what simmons is saying on ESPN

“Quick Tebow tangent: After watching football for 35 years, I now believe the QB Success Pie Chart is something like 65 percent confidence/leadership/poise/coolness/intelligence, 20 percent accuracy/arm strength, 5 percent athletic ability and 10 percent toughness/balls/heart. That means Tebow is already 80 percent home. Throw in his marquee value and I believe Jacksonville fans and Buffalo fans will be very bitter by December.”

AND

“17. Jay Cutler, Bears
The Reverse Tebow: all the tools, none of the intangibles.”

by Something Clever on Sep 3, 2010 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

I Missed it.

Interesting but accurate QB pie chart though. Using his chart I’d say TT is 90% there. I’ve been pleasantly surprised with his accuarcy and arm strength.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Sep 3, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Both are #2

Tebow will be the game day number 2. Quinn will be the starter (on a short leash) if Orton misses any starts.

by ocbroncomaniac on Sep 3, 2010 10:07 AM MDT reply actions  

Good thing we dumped Brandstater

He was 18 of 20 with 3 touchdowns last night. Imagine the confusion added to the debate if he was still in the mix.
:o)

by warmick on Sep 3, 2010 10:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Wish we had him back

MCD should have stuck with his original instincts about him.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Sep 3, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow for sure

Ill take a QB who can move around and wants to win more than anything over a guy with a bit more experience who basically has the same arm.

"One time, I want to see a fork lift lift a crate full of forks. It would be so littteral..."
RIP Mitch H.

by m_d0231 on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree with asinsoin above

I trust whatever call Josh makes because he is the coach.

That being said, I still go with Tebow at this point, because when I think of the question John posted, I just don’t TRUST Quinn to be able to perform when the lights are on. I’ve seen 3 games where he looked like a deer in the headlights, and one game where he looked like a decent back-up QB that won’t lose the game for you.

Tebow has looked good throwing all routes with very good accuracy. He has made some bone-headed mistakes, but you can tell that doesn’t get to him. I just trust him more. I would expect him to lose 1 or 2 of the 4 games because of his youth and inexperience, but I would expect him to win 1 game for us and not lose us the other one or two.

"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV

by sadaraine on Sep 3, 2010 1:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I could see that...
I would expect him to lose 1 or 2 of the 4 games because of his youth and inexperience, but I would expect him to win 1 game for us and not lose us the other one or two.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Sep 3, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

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