'The Aftermath' When Opportunity Meets Preparation You Get a 31-14 Denver Broncos Win
Opportunity + Preparation. To me, being successful in the NFL comes down to that equation. Whether it produces some fortuitous bounces, or creates turnovers, or, for lack of a better term, brings a team luck, P+O is the key, and for a team like the Broncos they have to use it to the fullest.
Blow out victories are a nice by-product of O+P*E. You need look no further than the Broncos win yesterday against Seattle. The Broncos hadn't scored that many points since Week 13 in 2009 when they dropped 44 on Kansas City. In fact, the Broncos scored 30+ points just twice last season, both on the road - they also did it against San Diego In Week 6. You have to go back to Week 3 in 2008 - a 34-32 win over New Orleans - to find the last time the Broncos scored 30+ points in a home game.
That's why my favorite football 'theory' is O+P*E=S, or, Opportunity + Preparation * Execution = Success.
Last week against Jacksonville, the Broncos made the crucial mistake at the worst time. It cost them the football game. Yesterday they turned the tables and won easily. That is how razor-thin the line is in the NFL. Just ask the Seahawks. Their 31-6 win over San Francisco during Week 1 was eerily similar to the Broncos win yesterday.
Josh McDaniels talks often about 'complementary football'. Sure, he'd like all three phases of the football team - offense, defense and special teams - to be hitting on all cylinders. Rarely will that happen, but how the three phases compliment each other are key. Yesterday, the Broncos offense was clicking. They were moving the ball, controlling the clock, and kept the Seahawks on their heels. While not perfect, the defense complimented the offense by keeping Seattle off the scoreboard. The Special Teams got in on the act with a turnover of their own. All three phases, while not perfect, were able to impact the game.
Don't Make Every Play, Just The Big Play! - There are 5 plays in every game that usually determine the outcome. Yesterday's game saw 128 rushing/passing plays combined by the two teams. Less than 5% of plays in a game usually determine its outcome. Last week, the Broncos didn't make those plays. Yesterday they did. Here are the 5 I picked - you can choose your own in the comments as well - you only get 5. In no particular order:
1. Champ Bailey INT - Many of these plays are obvious, which is the point. Champ's INT, deep in Broncos' territory, was a huge momentum swing. The defense was on its heels, and the Seahawks were gaining confidence with every snap. But turning the Seahawks over, the Broncos regained momentum, and delivered a huge gut-punch to a team that is trying to build an identity of its own, much like the Broncos. At worst, the Seahawks are thinking 3 points. Instead, they get nothing.
2. Cassius Vaughn Fumble Recovery - Perhaps the play of the game. Really. The Broncos were able to flip field position by once again forcing a Seahawks fumble. If anyone has ever been the gunner on a punt team - at any level - you know the beating you take. Vaughn was the only Broncos cover guy near the returner, and when the ball bounced up to him,near the sidelines no less, Vaughn made a great athletic play to gain control and stay in-bounds. It won't get much love from the media, but us fans know how big of a play it was - and so does the locker room.
3. Knowshon Moreno 1-yard TD Run - The Broncos' struggles in short-yardage/goal line situations is well documented. I could almost sense the tension when the Broncos tried 2 straight runs from the 1-yard line only to get stuffed. Is it Tim Tebow time? Some kind of gimmick play? That's not what Kyle Orton wanted. He motioned over to Josh McDaniels, asking him to keep the same personnel in the game - meaning leave the extra receivers on the sidelines. The Broncos did run the same play - a run off the left side by Knowshon Moreno. It was tough, yes, but Moreno - and the offensive line - did just enough to get into the endzone. Not only did that make a statement in the game, but could pay dividends later in the season as well - for Moreno, the offensive line, and the coaching staff.
4. Brian Dawkins INT - Once again, the Seahwaks were driving only to see a drive stall with no points to show for it. This time, it was the other future Hall of Famer making the big play when the defense needed it the most. The Broncos have issues up front, we all know that. Elvis Dumervil was going to be a huge part of what they wanted to do this year and his loss will have an effect. That's why it is imperative for Bailey, Dawkins and the other veteran leadership on defense to make plays. This INT, when the Seahawks were still in the game, essentially ended it. Afterwards, Dawkins gave credit to DC Wink Martindale for going over that very play during film sessions - Opportunity + Preparation.
5. Orton - Knowshon - Orton - Royal Trickeration - This play was huge on a several fronts. Obviously, it set up the Broncos for a big score. It also converted a 3rd and long situation. Lastly, it gives me the opportunity to explain the difference between a 'Trick Play' and 'Gimmick Football". After the Broncos successfully executed the play, I got several tweets about it, asking my feeling on gimmick football. "The Same", I responded. There's a difference. The Pittsburgh Steelers - one of the most hard-nosed teams in the NFL for the last 40 years, have become notorious for the trick play. It's the reason they draft guys like Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El, even Kordell Stewart and Dennis Dixon. All 4 were college quarterbacks, and 3 of them - Ward, Randle El and Stewart - changed positions to become a weapon in the offense. That's not gimmick football - that's taking advantage of a defense that isn't expecting what is about to happen to them.
The key difference, in my opinion, is when you take the football out of your quarterback's hands, by either taking him off the field, or lining him up in a position he's not familiar with. It means, by rule, someone else is going to be tasked with making a good decision - someone other than the starting QB. A direct-snap to a running back, or using your backup QB as a fullback is not a trick play. It does not fool a defense. A well-timed misdirection play - set up by the effectiveness of the starting quarterback - is not a gimmick. I know the differences appear gray, but not to me. Trick Plays, when executed perfectly like the Broncos did yesterday, are great. Opportunity + Preparation.
Anyone Else Have Questions About Kyle Orton?? - Really. What else does this guy have to do to get respect? So his beards aren't the best. He doesn't have Tom Brady's good looks, and doesn't give an intriguing interview after the game. He's not going to say something controversial in a press conference, nor will he throw a teammate under the bus. He's the first to shoulder the blame after a loss and the first to spread the praise around after a win. Oh yea, 11-14 passing on 3rd down yesterday, what I call the 'Money Down' for a quarterback, is pretty awesome too. Orton is Top-7 in virtually every QB category - at least numbers-wise. Give me a Top-10 quarterback and I know I have a shot to win. I've said it ALL summer and I will say it again. Kyle Orton has complete control of the playbook and is the unquestioned leader of the Denver Broncos. I don't care who the Broncos traded for, who they drafted, Kyle Orton is the BEST OPTION for the Broncos to handle the football in every situation. He's earned it, he's proven it, and now the Broncos seemed content to let him run with it.
Kyle Orton's 1,033 passing yards in his last 3 games mark the highest 3-game passing total by a Broncos QB in 48 yrs (Frank Tripucka, 1,098, '62). He has more weapons, better weapons, than he ever has and he is showing he knows how to use them. I don't care who you wanted to be the quarterback before, but how can you not rally around, and give 100% support to #8 in Orange and Blue?
What's There To Say About Bay-Bay? The Broncos waited until the 2nd Quarter to unleash the New Beast, and Demaryius Thomas answered the bell. Just a few hours after Dez Bryant returned a punt for a touchdown for the Cowboys against the Bears - and I was getting the "Another McDaniels Bust' tweets - Thomas showed why the Broncos had him so high on draft boards. 8 catches, 97 yards and 1 TD. Thomas ran crisp routes, showed great hands, took contact, and most importantly made it out of the game healthy. His first play - a bubble screen on 3rd and 14 that gained 17 yards - showed just how fast and explosive he was. The Seahawks had no tape on Thomas and it showed. They were not ready for the speed. Dare I say the Broncos may finally have that true deep threat? Only time will tell, but Thomas looks like the real deal.
Sometimes The Effort Is More Important That The Results - The Broncos averaged 2 yards per carry yesterday. I'm not counting 3 plays from the victory-formation at the end of the game that go directly against a team's rushing totals. It was essentially 35 carries for 70 yards before those last three plays. Many will focus on the second number - 70. Me? I focus on the attempts. Think back to the preseason. The Broncos weren't even trying to run the ball. 15 attempts against Cincinnati, 20 attempts against Detroit. That's fine, in the preseason, but you have to stay committed to the run to win in the NFL.
The Broncos did that yesterday, and it allowed them to control the clock and forced the Seahawks to keep the thought of defending the run in the back of their minds. Of course, the score helps that along, which is why the Broncos have to play from in front. Something tells me the Broncos are usually going to win football games when they are hovering around the 35-40 rush attempts mark, even if the pure yardage is not there. What I'd like to see is this running game with the Broncos full allotment of offensive lineman.
Oh, speaking of the O-Line, how about J.D. Walton blasting two Seahawk defenders into the back of the end-zone on Correll Buckhalter's TD run. Buckhalter handed the ball to Walton, who seemed confused at first before slamming it into the turf. J.D. Walton is going to be a great player in this League for a long time. Stud.
Rockies V. Broncos is DUMB - I've seen many of you comment about Mark Kiszla's article about Denver becoming more of a Rockies town than a Broncos town. I don't live in Denver, and I will rely on those of you who do to chime in on this, but is this for real? I know Kiszla's job is to stir the pot, create controversy, and sell newspapers, but why pit one Denver fanbase against the other - especially when many people are fans of both?
All I can think about is 2007. That year, Cleveland, which by outsiders is described as an economic dead zone, had three teams that were in the midst of magical years. The Cavaliers went to the NBA Finals, the Indians were one game away from the World Series and the Browns went 10-6, just missing a playoff birth. All three were supported, all games sold out. To be honest, and I'm sure you all remember the Rockies run to the World Series in '07, there is nothing better for a city than to have all their sports teams having success at once. Was Denver more of a hockey-town when the Avs were winning Stanley Cups? What does it mean and why does it matter?
This is a garbage attempt to take a pot-shot at Josh McDaniels and the Broncos. With a Season-Ticket waiting list a half-mile long there are still plenty of Broncos fans waiting in line to get into Invesco Field on Sunday's. Why columnists feel the need to be divisive, to tear communities apart and create divides that DON'T EXIST make no sense to me. The Broncos won, the Rockies are in a Pennant Race, the Avs are filled with young talent, coming off an exciting playoff run of their own, and the Nuggets are surrounded by excitement, regardless of what happens with Carmelo Anthony. Can't the people the attempt to drive sports opinion in Denver just enjoy it instead of using it to gain attention or take shots at the team? I guess that doesn't sell papers, does it?
Let's get to the questions. After a win, the INBOX certainly quiets down a bit. You can send your questions for The Aftermath to milehighreport@gmail.com
What role do you see Maroney having when he officially suits up with the Broncos this season? Do you see the signing of Maroney as a signing only for this season or long term as well - Chad
Great question(s). I think Josh McDaniels wanted a 3rd running back he felt comfortable with - a veteran. IN New England, the Patriots like to use multiple running backs. They have Fred Taylor, Sammy Morris and the always-dependable Kevin Faulk. None of those players strike fear into a defense - by themselves - but with that passing attack, the Patriots get a lot of production out of their running backs. That is what Josh is trying to do. He has a young player in Moreno that he is going to give every chance to be 'the guy'. After that, however, Buckhalter and Maroney will be there to create mismatch issues and provide Kyle Orton more options. That is the goal - to have ans many weapons, as many options available every Sunday.
I know you don't like trickeration, but for me it is an effective weapon to change the pace of the game and keep the defense unbalanced. This said, how do you rate the well-executed flea-flicker by the Broncos considering the situation of the game (2nd quarter, 7-0 lead)? And do you think that such plays can give us the edge against the Colts?
I answered this above, but that said, I think trick plays against the Colts could be a mistake. There is one surefire way to be in the game with the Colts. The Broncos did it, in Indianapolis a few years ago with Quentin Griffin, and the Texans did it last week. You need to run, run and run some more. You need to keep Peyton Manning off the field. While I hate to say you have to make Manning beat you, what you can't do is what the Giants did last night - Joseph Addai and Donald Brown cannot be allowed to run up and down the field. By stopping the Colts running game, you hope to put them in 3rd and long situations. Then, maybe, you have a chance to force a punt.
Again, watch what the Texans did to the Colts last week. They ran the ball 42 times for 257 yards. That's 6.1 yards per play. That is the recipe. Unfortunately, as Miami found out last season, even having the ball for 45 minutes isn't enough.
I don't have this info, but wondering... when was the last time all four teams in AFC West won? @NoLeafClover on Twitter
Great question. I had to dig a little bit, and the answer surprised even me. The last time the Broncos, Raiders, Chiefs and Chargers all WON on the same weekend? Week 11 of the 2005 Season! That was November 20, 2005. The Broncos beat the Jets 27-0, the Raiders beat the Redskins 16-13, the Chiefs beat the Texans 45-17 and the Chargers beat the Bills 48-10. Almost 5 years.
Thanks again everyone! A great win yesterday for the Broncos. Enjoy it!!
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Running Game Worries
I agree with your point about the number of attempts in our running game, I was glad we were sticking to it to keep Seattle’s D honest. I think Seattle will have a pretty good run defense this year as they held Frank Gore to minimal numbers.
My worries lie in the fact that Orton was so effective on 3rd down – it may have masked this struggle and covered our ass. I don’t think we can count on him to put up these numbers consistently throughout the year. If our running game is leaving us with 3rd and 5+ yards, we may be in trouble in future games. Do you agree?
Maybe
worries lie in the fact that Orton was so effective on 3rd down
But Maybe that’s just a strength we are lucky to have: it looked to me like Orton just took it, rather than got lucky – Hey, we have to rely on something and while a RB+OL that are good for 4 yards every handoff would be awfully comfortable…..I can’t remember the last time I felt so little anxiety about 3rd and 5+
Orton owns the money down. I’ll take that.
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 20, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
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That's awfully kind
But I’ll just learn for next time, thanks. No babysitting in the comments section should be expected…
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 20, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
The running game doesn’t really worry me right now. The offensive line clearly wasn’t opening running lanes very effectively, save a precious few plays (e.g. TD run and Walton). While this is could be a problem, it is also a testament to Seattle’s D IMO. It looks like their pass rush might again be fairly poor this year, but they have some major beef on their four down linemen, and they are stopping the run well. Look no further than 2.2 ypc on 17 carries by Frank Gore in week one. Not a huge workload by Gore but still plenty to leave me impressed that they can hold a guy who has averaged 4.7 per carry over his career despite the fact that defenses have keyed on him, loading the box and daring the 49ers to beat them through the air.
I think we struck rather brilliantly at what may become the Seahawks weaknesses this season: it appears they have a formidable run defense, but without a pass rush they will have a hard time getting off the field on third down, especially against a good QB (like Orton :) ). The fact that we did not back down from the Seahawk’s run D despite limited yardage actually does the opposite of worry me. I expect our run game to do some big things vs. Indy, especially if our O-line starts getting healthy again.
Jason
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by poorboywilly on Sep 20, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Guru.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
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The Receiving Corp.
I heard a great point on Vic and Gary this AM. It’s incredible the stock of talent the Broncos have at the WR position especially now that Beast 2 has been unleashed. All this even after Brandon Marshall was traded this offseason.
I can still remember how much effort the front office put in trying to find that 3rd receiver to complement Rod and Ed. Remember Marcus Nash, Eddie Kennison, Triandos Luke, Travis McGriff, Adrian Madise, etc.?
Here’s hoping those days are long behind us.
That's a great point...
I remember Ted Sundquist talking about that -how the Broncos drafted for specific need over best talent available. When they thought they needed a 3rd WR, they took Nash, like you mentioned. That thought-process began a series of events in terms of roster degradation.
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Indeed
I, and many others here, said before the season that the Broncos stand to have the best depth at wideout in a long time. With Decker and Willis, on top of Thomas, added to Gaffney, Royal and Lloyd, Orton potentially will have 5 dangerous options as the season progresses. All the media talked about was Brandon Marshall, Brandon Marshall, Brandon Marshall, but I’d rather have these guys than 1 guy any day of the week.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
by underdog on Sep 20, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Denver's receiving corps is currently 5th in the NFL with 578 yards
Lloyd 8 catches 170 yards
Royal 13 catches 163 yards 1 TD
Thomas 8 catches 97 yards 1 TD
Moreno 5 catches 71 yards
Gaffney 5 catches 49 yards 1 TD
Graham 4 catches 42 yards
Larsen 2 catches 8 yards
Gronkowski 1 catch 2 yards
8 different target so far and we haven’t seen Decker and Willis in action yet.
Even more impressive:
Royal 15 targets 13 catches
Thomas 9 targets 8 catches
Moreno 6 targets 5 catches
So who do the opposing defenses focus on?
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Sep 20, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Butterfingers
Brandon Marshall 21 targets 12 catches. He was good for some circus catches and some really great touchdown runs, but was certainly not clutch.
You might fool the [people] in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha!
by OutOfYourElement on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey B Marsh
Looks like you been replaced, dude.
In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.
by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
BM is a great WR. I get tired of folks here degrading a players talent level when the issue, BM's issue... is personality...
Did anybody watch him after that long over the shoulder reception yesterday? I was missing him there for a minute …until a couple plays later when the QB missed him in the endzone and when over to say “my bad” Marshall kind of brushed him off and then proceeded to throw his water cup and pout noticeably after another guy got the eventual TD! What a lame.
I was on the side of resigning BM and didn’t love the trade (still would have been nice to draft for the trenches early) but I’ll go ahead and happily give McX kudos for this WR core we’re BLESSED with!! WOW. Loving it!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 20, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I share your optimism...
but we have only played the jags and the seahawks. We ain’t seen NOTHIN yet. This team is about to be tested like Job. If they come out on the other side fo the next 4 weeks still kicking, I’ll be thrilled. They will be seasoned, tested, and battle-ready.
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by HarvJNep2n on Sep 20, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now everyone can see why I had a huge mancrush on JD Walton before the draft. He’s a beast with a nasty streak a mile-wide, best C in the draft.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
Right on
Walton enjoys his job like a bulldozer operator enjoys his machine….he’s building a rep fast…
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 20, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I love nasty offensive lineman
Walton might be one of my favorite Broncos by season’s end. Might make my first authentic jersey #50.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
darned good but
two games is a little early to say whether Walton or Pouncey will have the better career.
I bought mine last season...
before the BAL game, during the bye, the team went out to do something together (a party or a Rockies game or something). Orton’s wife even went. But Kyle stayed home to study the playbook. That sold me. I figured, even if he’s not a Bronco after 2009, that’s the character of a guy worth following, and I’m honored to wear his jersey.
I’m SO GLAD I got it, too!
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Awesome
Hard to argue with your top-5 plays, but the two that stick out to me, aside from those, are the Moreno screen for 40+ yards and Thomas’s first catch.
Moreno’s play was one of those back-breaker deals that I’m used to being on the other end of. Your defense has the guy dead rights in the backfield, but he someone turns a turd play into a highlight-reel run. Ugh, too many of those have come at our expense. DIdn’t it set up a TD, too?
The Bay Bay play was huge just because it made EVERYONE in Broncos Country sit up and say “DAMN!” That whole drive was awesome, but I think I might remember that play forever. It didn’t score, but it DID convert a 3rd & long and announced Thomas’s arrival. DCs in the West just puckered.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 12:48 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Thomas' catch...
Should be in there. It was a huge moment – both in terms of the game, and the future of the Broncos…
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 20, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree with the Thomas catch
But this has to be the best line of the day:
DCs in the West just puckered.
lol
I shouldn’t laugh at myself, but it took me a second to recognize it. I tend to get caught up in the heat of posting and spew a lot. :)
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Side Note
Orton is top 10 or better in almost every major passing category – yards, average, rating, TDs, Ints.
He’s 14th in pass attempts.
Pretty damn solid.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
True...
here are the ones I look at -
Completion % – Orton is #7
Yards – Orton is #6
Average per Pass – Orton is #3
% of plays for first down – Orton is #3
Plays of 20+ yards – Orton is #1
Plays of 40+ – Orton is tied for #2
Touchdowns – Orton is #10
Pass Attempts – Orton is #14
Let’s average all those out – 46/8 = 5.75
Orton is, by the numbers, a Top-6 QB
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I just can’t believe he’s only 80 yards outside the lead.
There are so many people that said Orton could never lead a team to the promised land. I think differently and have for some time.
I just don’t know what to do with Tebow now.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Isn't THAT a terrible conundrum to have
If Tebow turns out to be for real, I can think of 1000 bigger problems than deciding what to do with 2 legit starting quarterbacks. See Belichick, Bill and Cassel, Matt. Not that I’d ever want to trade one of them, but if you have 2 guys for one position, what can you do?
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I know
It’s a situation everyone wants. I just don’t know how to approach it. I know it’s early to be talking about it but I fully believe Tebow will develop and Orton clearly already has.
It’s interesting to look at right now and yes, it is very early, but this is going to come up at some point. I think we should sign Orton to another 4 years right now based on how he’s playing.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
The big question
is whether Orton can stay healthy. He’s night and day different when he’s playing on 2 good wheels vs. being hobbled. It’s not so much his mobility, though he does tend to slide around the pocket easier, it’s more about the zip on his throws. If he goes down and Tebow steps up, he might never get another shot.
If I had my druthers, it’d be to see Tebow sit the bench this year AND next. 2 years learning the system and he’ll be ready to go.
The injury idea is very key.
We’ll have to sit back and watch how the dice fall and how the team handles it.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions
very true.
I predict this to be Tebow’s best chance cuz KO’s only getting better
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 20, 2010 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't like this side of you, WB.
; )
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You leave him on the sideline until/if Orton is injured and he's needed.
Although, I’d like to see him put in the game whenever the Broncos have a solid lead in the fourth quarter. Give him some game time so that if/when he IS needed, he’ll be ready. If he doesn’t do well, and the Broncos start losing that solid lead, put Orton back in.
Let Tebow develop his FULL potential..
and when he proves he is better than KO, he plays. KO is the one top 10 QB in the league that might accept that situation if the change is made due to performance on the field, not by QB style, draft position, etc. He might (probably, IMO) just flat out work harder to try to take back the position…..not too bad, not too bad at all!!!!. :D
Tebow
There is so much time and there are so many scenario’s that could play out before a decision on Tebow vs. Orton will have to be made.
The best thing to do as fans is completely forget about Tebow vs. Orton until at least this season plays out. If by chance this team makes the playoffs this year it will be because of the passing game led by Orton and another offseason for Thomas and Decker to improve for Beadles and Walton to improve and others to get healthy……we would be looking at going into next season in a situation where it is possible that Tebow will never ever be the starting QB for the Broncos.
In all honesty if Tebow ever gets a shot as the starting QB it is because Orton allowed him too. If Orton stays healthy and keeps working hard (which is guarenteed) with these receivers, he has a real shot at being a top 8 QB or so. If that happens then Tebow is not going to get on the field.
However, Orton has a history of injuries and that would give Tebow an oppurtunity to see the field in the coming years, and nothing is guarenteed with Orton’s future performance (however each game that passes, it is looking more likely that his future performance is guarenteed.)
People are going to kill McDaniels for taking Tebow if he never becomes the starter, but when that decision was made no one thought much of Orton (outside of this website). Unfortunetly for Tebow, Orton answered the call in the biggest of ways and after these two games and the offseason, it seems that Tebows future is solely in the hands of Orton.
When you are building a team you need to answer 3 questions.
1) who is going to throw the football for your team?
It appears that the answer is Orton, and this offseason the front office made sure that the answer was on the roster with the addition of Quinn and Tebow. Even if it costs a first round pick that never starts, this question had to be answered this offseason no matter what for this team to be a serious contender.
2) Who is going to protect the going throwing it?
Clady
3) Who is going to get to the guy throwing it on the other team?
Dumervile, Ayers
The foundation is there for Denver.
If Orton holds onto the starting job it will be because he plays well and the Broncos win. I don’t think people will kill McD for that. The critics and wise guys will have fun making themselves look smart by saying told you so about Tebow but who cares about them. The avg fan will be happy with a winner.
2 years is an eternity in the NFL (think about our team 2 years ago vs now) so who knows where we’ll be at then. For now Orton is the man and that is all that matters.
I agree
That fans will be happy with a winner.
I was just remarking that the MSM and anyone who has torn apart the Broncos during McDaniels tenure will have a reason to tear apart this decision. Very rarely do you see people on TV openly admit to being so wrong about something, so they would have reason to make negative statements about early drafting.
I also agree that there is so much time for things to play out that noone can say they accurately know what will happen.
Some will
But those same people will find something else to bitch about, regardless. Some fans just can’t be happy.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Two years with a clip board
It is widely acknowledged that there is a lot to learn before becoming a McDaniels starting QB. Orton has learned quickly by being the one taking the snaps. Tebow will learn at a slower pace but with great tutalage. In two years the cost of keeping two starting quarterbacks will be too high and one will be traded. Tebow has natural advantages in age and pure physical ability – and may just have the smarts to challenge Orton on the mental aspects. I expect Orton to be the one on the trading block – a lot of teams will line up and compete for a pro-bowl super bowl winning QB. The price Chicago paid to send him to us might be small in comparision to the price paid by the next team that receives his services.
line up and compete for a pro-bowl super bowl winning QB
I see what you did there…
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions
MMMM
chicken noodle soup and Ramen noodles!
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL! I love it.
Orton Noodle Soup. Kyle Ramen. Oodles of Orton.
This is the very best part. It doesn’t even matter if he doesn’t ever throw a long pass again. The haters say he CAN’T. Where are you, haters? Explain to me why KO has a noodle arm. And remember to use facts, not just what you heard from Jamie Dukes.
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Hah!
And to think I was taking flak all over when I was talking about him being a top 10 QB this year over at Jacksonville’s blog. It is so funny how little respect he gets. I always visit other SB Nation blogs for our opponents each week…I’m curious to see if any of them give Orton credit.
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Watching NFLN last night for the recap of the game,
Deion credited Denver’s ST with the big Turnover (but, interestingly, the announcer faulted Britton Colquitt with losing the fumble….who knew he could return his own punts?) He said Champ still has it. Weapon X still HoF bound. Lauded all over Thomas the Wunderkind. Didn’t even MENTION Orton’s name. ESPN casually stated Orton’s statistics. Oh, But Schaub? Cutler (I know, he had a great game)? Rivers? PAY DA MAN!
oandortonplayedkindawelltoo.
HOW ABOUT THEM CHIEFS! TWO AND OH ATOP THE AFC WEST!!
That’s OK. Let him lay low. Let’s not get excited until we’re better than a .500 team at the END of the season. Quiet intensity has always been my favorite approach.
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I don't want to dump on this, but it's early right now.
I’m an Orton fan, but let’s keep in mind that Orton was literally in the MVP conversation (assuming the death of Peyton Manning, I guess) early last season (6-0) territory. If he keeps this up, then we can really be excited.
Very true. but
also keep in mind he hurt himself in that Washington game and was not quite the same after that. (And neither was the OL.) But yes, one week at a time… and I don’t need him to be in the MVP conversation, just continue to be steady and good for the Broncos. :-)
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Aftermath
This post sure is a lot more fun to read after a dominating W rather than an excruciating loss with multiple opportunities to win.
Thanks John, but to add to your list of 5,
would be Time of possession by Kyle and company. The seahawks
defence had a hard time standing by game end.
Josh McDanials addressing his Team...
We are who we think we are....CHAMPIONS.
Now, lets prove that to the World.
Just to compare the two picks
Dez Bryant (2 Games) – 10 catches for 108 yards (10.8 avg), 0 TD
Demaryious Thomas (1 Game) – 8 catches for 97 yards (12.1 avg), 1 TD.
I’d say it’s a wash so far, ever so slighty in DT’s favour because he’s only played one game, it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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aka Solace
Oops
I forgot about Bryant’s TD return. That would push him into the lead, by a small margin.
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Why? You need to look at 1st down conversions. The catch in the scheme of the game etc...stats dont paint the true picture.
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Targets matter too.
Dez 14 targets, 10 catches. 7.7 per target.
BeyBey 9 targets, 8 catches. 10.7 per target.
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by OutOfYourElement on Sep 20, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think this comparison is ever going to be salient unless one literally becomes a bust.
They’re very different receivers, I think. They should both be good for their teams.
true its like Desean vs Royal
Shanahan got a lot of fans and media upset for taking Royal over Jackson until Royal proved to be good too.
Royal has even become a fan favorite here.
Now DeSean so far has been the better player but they’ve both been good for their teams and very few people care anymore about that pick.
Just to be anal
So is it (O+P)E or 0+PE. It does make a difference. :)
by _Atwater27 on Sep 20, 2010 1:22 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
I knew that was coming. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I think
it is actually O + P^E.
Makes sense to me anyways…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 20, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
certainly puts the element of execution in the proper perspective
If E = zero, the equation gives you zero.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait
If e=0 then p=1
I’d say the best formula would be s=(o^e)p
Because you have to execute when you have the opportunity and the more you are prepared the more success you will have with that as well
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by RiG on Sep 20, 2010 3:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh heavens!
Guys stop…now.
LOL
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haha
but dont you agree?
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how about
s=(o^e)p*45 to account for the 45 men dressed on game day and the fact that one weak link can cost you the game?
Then we should probably factor in the opponent somehow?
((Odb^Edb)Pdb*45) > (Oopp^Eopp)Popp*45
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I totally do,
I am a total geek, but I don’t geek out on MHR typically. LOL
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# of runs
I have to disagree with your premise that just trying to run is important.
Running ineffectively repeatedly is a great way to lose ballgames. However, my guess is our 2 ypc actually was deceptively effective. I didn’t get to see the game, but looking at the play-by-play, it looks like many of our ineffective runs were late in the game, where we were just salting away the lead and likely running into stacked boxes… 2 yard runs in that context are much more valuable than 2 yard runs in the 1Q. We also had some short runs in short-yardage situations (e.g. 2 1-yd TDs), so those short runs were extremely effective, even though they may skew the raw yardage totals.
But that said, our high number of attempts is probably more a function of game context (big lead) than a “damn the results, we’re running whether effective or not” decision.
Yes but...
You don’t want to run ineffectively but if you don’t run at ALL then I guarantee you’ll never succeed.
We weren’t in a position where we were trying to play from behind, so I don’t have a problem with continuing to try and pound it out. You don’t make 4, 5YPC by running for five yards on every play. You do it by breaking the big one every now and again. That comes from consistent, patient effort.
Besides, we have some green guys on our OL who need to work on their run block assignments. You learn by doing.
Madden be trippin' on my speed.
by TheMastermind on Sep 20, 2010 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
You don’t make 4, 5YPC by running for five yards on every play.
…unless you’re Terrell Davis. Seriously.
Actually you do get 4.5 YPC by running about that
Ask MJD last season, or Steven Jackson, or a number of backs who consistently a good average. The league is filled with backs like Gore and Johnson who would have about a 2 or 3 YPC if it weren’t for the two or three big plays a game to offset it. But there are plenty of backs who do it consistently.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Here's a statement I'd like you to back up with stats
Show me five guys who regularly do that (consistently get 4.5 yards per touch). I think that is a load of carp.
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Wow first "stat police"
Now you are asking for stats? How about you look it up for yourself, I got a nice table I use for game by game runs, maybe you should make one too.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
But I couldn't resist
There was a lot of data, here’s the quick version, if you want all the info, I can do it as a post.
So I looked at the players average, I just did this season, last season would take up even more space, then I looked at each run. I broke each run play into three categories, +/- 2 from the average and then the extremes. This allows a good mapping of how many runs came within 2 yards of the average. If the +/- 2 grouping didn’t have the majority, they fall into the area described by you, ones who break off big runs to offset an otherwise poor average. If the majority of runs fell into the +/- 2 grouping, they were backs who were running close to their average most of the time. I didn’t find a back who rushed more times then the +/- 2 grouping so that shows it’s a balanced lay out.
Here are just a few, the whole list would be very long:
Big Run Backs:
- Adrian Peterson, 36%
- Darren McFadden, 33%
- Chris Johnson, 32%
Steady Backs:
- Steven Jackson, 44% of runs within +/- 2 of average
- MJD, 55%
- Thomas Jones, 59%
- Rashard Mendenhall, 56%
- Frank Gore, 55%
- Arian Foster, 43%
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by Topher Doll on Sep 21, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Had me going momentarily....It seems like your first line and the second set of observations
kind of mismatched. :)….. I get your point from the first line, but then you pretty much say we didn’t run just to get 30 carries, so it was no problem…….I agree, BTW. I want my starting right side back…er…. can you get them back if they never played together in the first place?. I really have no idea if that will solve any problems…simply not much data to observe…but I want them “back” anyway.
Something to consider about the running game
First Quarter
3 runs, 8 yards: -1, 7, 2
Second Quarter
13 runs, 38 yards, 2 First Downs, 1 TD: 9, 3 (FD), 4, 1, 0, 1 (TD), 5, 4, 1 (FD), 0, 7, 2, 1
Third Quarter
9 runs, 13 yards, 1 TD: 3, 4, -1, 2, 1, 0, 0, 1 (TD), 3
Fourth Quarter
10 runs, 11 yards: 0, 2, 5, 2, 4, 2, -6, -3, 1, 4
So in the first 3 quarters, we had exactly 2 runs that went for negative yards (-1 each time) and 4 that went for no gain (two of which were on 1st & 2nd & goal from the 1 yard line, we scored on the third attempt).
Thus, while the running game was nothing to write home about, it was situationally helpful in that it required the Seattle defense to account for the possibility that the Broncos might actually run the ball.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Sep 20, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep, looks good and highlights my point.
Also, if you look at effectiveness, and we say ~4 yards (or a FD or TD) is a “value”/successful run, that means 11 out of our 16 1st half runs provided at least decent value (if not outright success)…. so while raw yardage was only 46 yards, the effectiveness of the running game was likely higher than you’d typically expect from simple stats. A true “success rate” analysis looking at down-and-distance would hopefully also show this. Basically, my point is we weren’t running for the sake of it… we were running because we were being relatively successful, regardless of raw yardage totals or YPC.
The 19 2nd half runs look substanitally poorer, but thats perhaps understandable given the context of playing with a substantial lead, where simply draining the clock has value, regardless of yardage gained.
No matter how you slice it, our running game was not effective. We stuck with it because McDaniels wants the team to execute it better and you can’t do that if you stop running the plays. One example of that was the three straight runs from the 1. McD even said Seattle knew we were running the same play 3 times in a row. He wanted our guys to execute it and Moreno dove over on the third attempt for the TD.
Our OL needs to get healthy before we can expect a good running game to emerge. If the game were closer, we would not have run as much.
What. You. Said.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
If the game were closer, we would not have run as much.
Yep, thats what I said. 2nd half was bad, for everything but running time off the clock… but in context, that is valuable. 1st half however was a different story, with 9 out 16 value runs.
However, continually running like we did in the 2nd half in a close game is a great way to lose, so I’m firmly in the camp of opposing calling run plays to “establish the run”, regardless of effectiveness.
bà bà?
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 20, 2010 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
uh oh
here we go
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
You can see it coming a mile away, can't you, BMT?
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"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
well if you trust google
Demaryius Thomas bay bay nets you 79,400 hits.
Demaryius Thomas bey bey nets you 671,000 hits.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
just don't go confusing him with the armless sprinter in Oakland.
: )
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
and have some kind of stump for the ball to bounce off of
good point.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
(apologies to any amputees in the fanbase)
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
lmao
ouch. That one still stings a little.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions
To be fair
that could just be a commentary on the intelligence of the people on the internet, if Bey Bey is wrong. :)
by BroncosBassist on Sep 20, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
you could be right
after all, I use Google constantly. LOL
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions
if it's on the interwebs
it must be true : )
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions
The Broncos
made me so proud and I’d like to thank Mile High Report for retweeting one of my Tweets today! Let’s humble the Colts, it can be done!
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 2:07 PM MDT reply actions
Didn't they get humbled in week one?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 20, 2010 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I loved that Walton double block as well
The Fox guys focused on Daniels excellent block as well but couldn’t see the play right in front of them. Walton knocked that safety into next month. It was awesome. And I want to see a lot more of that. If we get Kuper and Harris back, let’s play a little Marty-ball: smashmouth.
by John in Castle Rock on Sep 20, 2010 2:11 PM MDT reply actions
Tony
Siragusa loves him some Walton!
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Kiszla is a moron!
Denver is a BRONCOS town but, the city supports all four pro teams. There is no rule that you can only be a Rockies fan and that is it. If Denver was a Rockies town, then why are they only on FSN Rocky Mtn and why did FSN not broadcast the Dodger/Rockies game on Saturday? I’ll tell you why, because college football trumps that team. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy watching the rockies and want them to do well. When it comes down to it, I stop EVERYTHING for the Broncos game. It has to be an emergency for me to not see the game.
ON ANOTHER ISSUE:
I had to find a sports bar here in Albuquerque to see the game yesterday. At least Santa Fe Bronc was nice enough to come down and meet me there to enjoy the game. Today many of us emailed and complained to the GM of the Fox station in Albuquerque. I told him this “If I wanted to watch Dallas Cowboy games, I would live in Texas”. He gave me the song and dance, but it is up to the station to decide to change the broadcast. If I lived in Durango or Cortez, I would be so pissed off too.
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Kiszla is
a moron because look at my SB Nation Home Page
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Fav NBA Team: Mavericks
Fav MLB Team: Orioles
Fav NHL Team: Penguins
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I know, ditto mine as well.
And even if I were a Rockies fan, I wouldn’t appreciate the contrived attempts to pit fans against each other, or to have to decide on loyalties. It’s just bogus, lazy journalism.
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to be fair
Kiszla is a moron for many, many more reasons than this article demonstrates. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
He’s demonstrated his multifaceted idiocy so well over the years, I refuse to click on his articles. The only time he shows up on the Broncos’ page is when he’s trying to stir some negative attention their way.
Dork doesn’t deserve even the slightest pressure of my right finger on a mouse button.
No integrity...no readership
I stopped reading Kiszla some time ago. What a waist of talent. The man can write but he chooses to sell out his skills writing inflammatory drivel. As I’ve said before on this site “he’s a poor man’s Woody Paige” and I might add a Howard Cosell wannabe.
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 20, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
I bet Woody would get a huge LOL out of anyone being called a poor man’s him. : D
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Ha...check mine
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Kizla makes it sound like you can't root for the Broncos and the Rockies
Which I do? Push come to shove if the I have a choice between a Broncos game and Rockies game, it’s no choice, Broncos game, whether in person or on t.v.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 20, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
MDierk
you should live in Utah. We get the Broncos games every week unless the team really sucks. Since that’s not the case, it’s Broncos every week in 2010, I hope.
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I may end up in Utah.....
I have applied for jobs in Vernal and Salt Lake. Like everything else in this pathetic excuse of an economy, I have to wait.
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Tell me about it.
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I believe he needs a concealed weapon permit
…for those armpit guns. lol. I know…old joke, but so appropriate.
I'm not a doctor, and don't play one on tv, but it looks like the coracobrachialis.
There’s an image here:
I'm not a new species and I don't play one during lunch break but...
my coracobrachialis armpit goes inward, not outward!
I would say that one of the key plays that changed the game wasn't one we made but one Seattle didn't
When their 1st quarter rushing TD was negated by a holding penalty that was huge for us as they didn’t score after that. A score there could have changed the outcome of the game considering we would have been playing from behind at that point. The momentum would also have favored the Seahawks. Just goes to show how important it is to play mistake free football, especially in the RZ. Just ask Knowshon and Beadles about that from week 1.
Truth
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by OutOfYourElement on Sep 20, 2010 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
The AFC West really sucked the past few years easily the worst or 2nd worst division from 2006 thru 2009 (four years). So 2005 was not a surprise to me. Sad, but not a surprise.
It’s also not surprising that San Diego would lose so quickly in the playoffs as their W-L record was a mirage from playing so many awful KC and Oakland teams and such average Denver teams. If Denver can play well at home, those years of SD going 5-1 or 6-0 in the division are long gone. If Oakland can play okay at any point, SD may be looking at a 3-3 AFC West record. I would love THIS! Vs a 1st place schedule and the AFC South, that won’t allow them to even think about a bye week – like many MSM dummies like to suggest.
Denver: 33-33 until we're not.
McGEaorg I am with you
I have been telling people for the last 2 years if Oak and KC could beat SD 1 time a year the AFC west would be up for grabs and help everyone out instead of giving them 4 gimmie wins a year. At least we give them a run and usually split.
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by The 3 Amigos on Sep 20, 2010 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Get some leaves!
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"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Agree mcJay
But it is the NFL and their players get paid too, cant expect sweeps every week against storied rivals, would be nice for KC and OAk to rise up against SD also. But I still say Denver needs to take care of their own business and not worry about other teams, but scoreboard watching is fun.
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by The 3 Amigos on Sep 20, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
SD was sweeping those two teams the past several years. My point was that rather than hoping OAK or KC can get a win vs SD, if we beat up on them then we control our own destiny. 4-0 vs them last year gets us into the playoffs (3-1 maybe). 3-1 2 years ago wins the division.
I get your point though that it would be nice if those teams can split with SD but that would then mean that our ability/chance of gettings sweeps vs. KC/OAK would go down because it would mean KC/OAK are decent.
O-Line
I was in a San Diego bar yesterday watching the Broncos and the volume wasn’t on so I apologize if someone asked and answered this question already -but did Clady play the whole game? How did Beadles do?
Not only did Clady play, but I thought he was awesome
In the Jacksonville game he was susceptible to the bull rush. But in this game they tried bull rushing him several times and he owned them. Looks like he needed the Jacksonville game
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by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 20, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
OFF TOPIC
If the Giants are willing to trade Jacobs, maybe for the right price….
just a thought
The only thing about that...
He has to want to be a team first guy…from what I’ve been hearing he is whining about not being the primary back. I love his game, but only if he wants to be part of a team.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Broncos will likely pass
Esp after acquiring Maroney. They have other areas of pressing need now so if they needed to make a trade using players or draft picks they’d save it for defense depth, if I had to guess. And yeah Jacobs attitude issues may be a turn off for McD. Not that he wouldn’t mind adding big Jacobs to the backfield mind you.
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I think what we need is a RB who can hit the hole faster
Maroney could be this guy. I love Knowshon, he runs hard, tough, and wears a defense down but he is not the homerun hitter I wanted him to be. You look at the great backs, TD, Portis, Chris Johnson, Adrain Peterson, they all have that explosive burst through the hole. Obviously those guys are very special.
Still, I think Maroney can do this. We are opening up holes in the running game.
Great thoughts, from everybody. Keep throwing this stuff out there
Josh McDaniels-All he wants to do is win a MF'in game!
by RockyMountainThunder on Sep 20, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
NO!...in case I did not make myself clear...NO!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 20, 2010 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Boydy
you’re a glorious soul, dude. Don’t ever change! : )
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Montana!
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It seems like the thing about 'trick' plays is
When they succeed, it’s genius. When they fail, it’s stupid. But I think it at least, either way, gives the defense something else to consider. Might make for just a moment hesitation by a defensive guy, and that half step moment may result in another successful offensive play. Also, when one succeeds, it lifts the offense, but if it fails, lifts the defense. Bottom line, I’ll take a shot at one every game, and not get too high or too low with the outcome.
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Timing is everything for these plays
but even just taking a shot at them once a game is going to give incremental, small changes in the responses of the defense…every little bit helps.
Great on all points Bena. +1
The run bit especially. the rest i commented with the folks above…
Thanks.
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Truth is
baseball is not nearly as entertaining as football. Sorry to say this but if you disagree your in the small minority. Baseball is America’s past time, but it should be football.
To
the modern generation, football is the pastime of choice
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 20, 2010 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah very true
All my friends like football way more and that’s including girls. It’s not that people don’t like baseball these days, its just I see people a lot more people passionate about football. I personally cant watch baseball at times because it gets so boring and i fall asleep…but there are good games where its down to the wire….the difference is its more exciting in football.
by ShyandObese on Sep 20, 2010 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Great post John!
I agree on all points and would only like to emphasize that the 78% 3rd down conversion rate was absolutely key to keeping the Seattle O off the field and just wearing down their D. Damn, it’s soooo good to be on the other side!
I’ve still got some concerns with the special teams play. (other than Vaughns GREAT recovery) We keep letting the other guys return team rack up too many yards.
If our guys can put forth the same (or better) effort next week, I’m hoping we can steal one from the Colts. I believe it’s totally do-able. GO BRONCOS!!!
I think we saw the turning point this last weekend for the AFC West!
No longer will the AFC West be the door mat for other conferences and divisions. The draft this year for good for all 4 teams and I ook for some impressive games to develop from them.
Our running game will be fine, the NEWBIES (Zane, JD and Daniels) have done a great job with the little experience they have and what could anybody expect from them at this point? Huh? Sure we miss Kuper and Harris but, these kids have played their hearst out the last couple of weeks and I saw a maturity from all 3 of them in just a week! Moreno will get stronger and stronger as the weeks go by, I just hope McDaniels doesn’t use him when we might need him in January…
Enjoy the win folks... next week we die.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 20, 2010 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh my God...my deepest sympathies to Kenny McKinleys family...another death the Broncos have to deal with!
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by boydy2669 on Sep 20, 2010 7:19 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
this
freaking sad
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by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 20, 2010 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Ahhh man, tragic, sad.
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