REPORT: Broncos Sign Brown to Active Roster and Waive Ball
by Brian Shrout on Sep 21, 2010 3:37 PM MDT
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ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — The Denver Broncos on Tuesday signed running back Andre Brown to their active roster and waived running back Lance Ball, it was announced.
Brown (6-foot-0, 224 pounds) spent the first week of the regular season on Denver’s active roster before being waived and signed to its practice squad on Sept. 17.
The second-year player spent his rookie season with the N.Y. Giants after he was selected by the club in the fourth round (129th overall) of the 2009 NFL Draft from North Carolina State University.
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Good move
Ball was way overrated here on MHR. The guy didn’t bring anything to the table really. Very smart move i thought it would have happened a long time ago honestly.
Honestly, I think most people didn’t like him they preferred Ball. So I don’t think it’s fair to say he was over rated.
Either way, I agree that this was a good move.
I believe I was on record as saying Ball was the greatest RB of his generation
…named Lance Ball.
;-)
But seriously, this is a very good move. I was disappointed when they’d waived Andre Brown first time but I guess it was all part of a process. He’ll be useful for sure.
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re: Ball
Ball was way overrated here on MHR.
I can’t speak for everyone but Ball was better than most of the alternatives, which is obviously faint praise. It’s not that he was so exciting — clearly — but he did a lot of the things you need. He was only better than even worse alternatives, but he was hardly the type of player to arouse passions. I didn’t see too much talent on our team at reserve RB, and it was only when I considered something I had written long ago that I figured it out. It’s paraphrased below.
My philosophy is that RB is a position where we can find talent after the cut to 53. There’s an excess of RBs around the league and some of the castoffs are better than anyone we could carry into camp. Mathematically speaking, you can’t carry enough depth at every position so you don’t try. Certain positions are candidates for what I’ve dubbed the “soft roster,” i.e., players on other teams’ rosters. Those positions are — RB, LB, TE, and there’s probably a few more that I haven’t thought of. The supply at some positions outstrips the need, so teams are wise to assiduously watch the waiver wire in search talent, since there’s going to be a number of prospects who are nearly equal in talent to players already on teams.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
by Colinski on Sep 21, 2010 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
I agree Ski and the TD he made in preseason was afer broken tackles, so he isn't without some talent.
I worry about Browns toe or foot or what ever it was…At least Ball would fight for yards.
"soft roster"
I like that.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 21, 2010 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
it was the answer to a formal problem
I was struggling with the problem of figuring out how to best configure the pre-camp roster. It worked out that there could be extra competition at a few selected positions under an 80 man roster but not all. Extra depth turned into depth for other teams, which turned us into a farm team for other franchises. It then occurred to me that we could use other teams’ rosters to our advantage.
Basically, there is no way to carry enough players at some positions. Therefore, the point is to be in a position to take advantage of the situation when players become available. Certain positions often didn’t warrant a draft pick because of the surplus of talent that would be available. Other teams — for instance — could not predict who their 6th RB would be in a 5 man RB corps, and the point was to take advantage of the situation. It’s certain that there’s going to an excess of players, so the strategy was to concede that some positions weren’t going to be hotly contested in camp and bring in depth after the cut to 53.
Two of the positions that we were contemplating as possible draft selections fell into this category — ILB, TE. And a RB pick might have been more attractive, too, if not for the relative surplus of players available at the position. I think it’s no coincidence that we filled all three positions during the period shortly before and after the cut to 53. I’m also leaning towards including OT in this category, but the supply is matched by the demand so quality is still an issue.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
Ball had little upside
His size speed combination left a LOT to be desired. There are many backup Rb’s around the league that look better than ball. I’m not expected him to light it up every day but i didn’t see anything from him that showed potential for the future. He was a short stubby back which isn’t by itself bad, but he also lacked the power to go through arm tackles. Granted he did break a few tackles in one preseason game but more of often than not i saw him taken down by the ankles or something. This shouldn’t happen to a guy with his physique. To top it off he showed no explosive power. He wasn’t as bad as Hall(horrible) but that’s not saying much.
Well
I think this was one of several situations envisioned by a fair number of MHR members. Seems like a solid move depending on how well Andre here is playing.
He seemed pedestrian
They probably used him for the Indy playbook!
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by littletinybroncos on Sep 21, 2010 3:55 PM MDT reply actions
The Indy playbook
1. Crossing pattern/ underneath route to Dallas Clark
2. Short route to Clark/ a slot receiver
3. Seam deep to Reggie Wayne.
Boom. I got it all figured out. :)
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The Indy playbook
1. Peyton Manning’s brain
Simplified. :)
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by TheMorseFile on Sep 21, 2010 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't keep my twitter updated with all the current Bronco players
McD keeps making moves.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
If he can score on 1st and Goal from the 1
then this is a good move, obviously we need to get better in the short yardage runs
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We can score from the 1 . . .
It just takes us a few more downs to do it.
Seriously though, I get your point. I’d rather see Moreno used more in the open field and save a big body for the goal line. I worry about him getting re-injured on some of those short yardage runs.
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by TheMorseFile on Sep 21, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Good move. Ball and or Hall were a dime a dozen players/talents. We can literally find guys of their ilk working at cell phone shops.
It’s past time Denver stops carrying dead weights like LeKevin Smith, Ball or Batiste’s on our roster. Bowlen is generous enough to field a 53 man NFL team with no scrubs. We’re not the Bills or Chefs.
Denver: 33-33 until we're not.
i beileve one of those weak players will be cut very soon
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Nvm
signed him to the PS
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"I really don’t want to talk about me," he said. "I didn’t want to talk about me last week, and I don’t this week. I want to talk about our team." -Rod Smith
My question is
How is Brown any different? To me this move really doesn’t matter, I liked Ball’s play in the preseason, and I have yet to see anything beyond average from either Brown or Ball, but Brown has hardly shown he’s an upgrade over Ball. Just got to trust McD on this one.
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by Topher Doll on Sep 21, 2010 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Wouldn't surprise me
if we trade Brown to the Pats.
We activate him so that the Pats can’t snatch him (they lost Faulk) they are now weak at the position.
Now they have to make an offer.
Just a thought.
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Would surprise me slightly
My own attitude is screw the Pats ;-) but the Broncos attitude is also probably more about how they lacked depth at RB and don’t trust KnowMo to stay healthy or Buck to be that effective very often. So why would they screw themselves over to help the Pats… Unless it was a very good offer in which case all bets are off.
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 21, 2010 5:02 PM MDT reply actions
I have an eye for spotting counterfeit talent. Not sure how that helps me in any way, but I can identify a losing bet better than I can spot a winner.
Denver: 33-33 until we're not.
Perhaps
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by the new Bradfather on Sep 22, 2010 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions
This was a protection move
Brown would have been claimed off the PS by any number of teams that lost a RB so far this year. Ball is not that type of risk, I expect him to clear waivers and go on the PS, he MAY be claimed however, there is some good tape out there on him.
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I like these moves
I did a search and uncovered 6 posts I had written on Andre Brown, so I clearly liked him coming out. Combine that move with the Maroney and you have a far more talented RB corps than last year. Also, I’m hoping that Buckhalter regains his form as the season progresses. Talk of him having lost it seems premature.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
I agree. Great depth at RB....
NOW if we can just open up a dang hole!
"I don't need love, I just need wins.'' - Kyle Orton, 2010
the OL
We’ve gone through serious personnel turnover and injury problems on the OL. I was one of the people who advocated bringing FAs on the OL, which would have helped to lessen the transition problems but wouldn’t have necessarily been better for us in the long run. The OL is going to struggle because they’ve yet to develop the cohesion — besides the injury problems.
All we can do is wait. Injuries are one thing but experience requires playing time. The pass blocking is good now but the run blocking will require time working together — IMO. It’s not much different than last year, but the RBs are better.
BTW — another thing I lobbied for in the pre-draft/FA period was another OT. In particular, an OT/OG. I didn’t see anything wrong with using a fairly high pick on an OT or acquiring a quality backup OT as a FA. Beadles does count as the OT/OG draftee but my point is that I was one of the very few who saw OT as an area in need. More than a few people probably agree with me now.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
Count me in that group
I honestly thought that our #22 pick was going to be Bulaga, who I was IMMENSELY high on going into the draft. Just imagine what kind of versatility and damage he could be doing up and down our O-line — he’s quicker than Beadles, can play either tackle (Beadles is only an RT), with just as much ability to play the interior as Beadles. I saw him as the heir apparent to a fragile Ryan Harris.
C’est la vie.
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Orton in 2010, Tebow in 2011, Super Bowl in 2012! Then the world ends, so who gives a frack what happens next.
by Sharpe as a Tack on Sep 21, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
BUT...
Would you give up Thomas for Bulaga?
by CamboBronco on Sep 21, 2010 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm only concerned about their health at this point.
I like the talent level, but Knowshon’s the only one that appears to be operating anywhere near capacity at present.
by BroncosBassist on Sep 21, 2010 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions
playing the odds
A certain percentage of the RBs is going to be banged up. We’re high but it’s not critical. Assuming Buckhalter and Brown are nearly healthy, we’re actually fairly healthy. I haven’t heard anything about Maroney’s health.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
other than hamstring? No
He looked good at the end of last season, so it’s a problem related to his lack of work in camp + injury, is my guess.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
ankle, not hamstring
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
with Brown's promotion
Denver signed A former 49ers LB to the practice squad, surprised they didn’t bring back Worrell, a guy who has some experience with our D/ST
by DBroncs1414 on Sep 21, 2010 5:52 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Another move is coming
Titus Brown was signed off our practice squad to Cleveland’s active roster.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Sep 21, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
nice call
hopefully we bring back Worrell. Maybe I just want to see 2 brothers (having a brother 14 months apart from myself) but I thought he did pretty well
Will it matter
who is running the ball? I’m looking at a really horrific ypc average by the Broncos in their games. Check out Buck’s numbers—he used to be good for 5+, now he is lucky to average 2 yards per carry. KM’s not much better. This is not an RB problem, it is a Oline blocking problem. Put simply, the holes aren’t there, and when they are, no one’s clocking the LB’s to get the runners into the secondary. We could have MJD in our backfield, but if we don’t have a runblocking, cohesive Oline, it just doesn’t matter. Pass blocking is an entirely different story, thank goodness. McD drafted a heavier line for powerblocking and what happens? We can’t get a yard when the Broncos were trying to run out the clock at the end of the Seahawks game and had to punt the ball. Took us 3 times to get a yard, twice, and one time it was a close call as KM had to lunge forward with the ball to break the plane. This is ridiculous. To all you who have heard this from me, over and over, I apologize—“where the heck are the package plays for Tebow?” And my gosh, a perfect opportunity to give
Tebow some reps late in the 4th quarter, ahead by 17, and you leave Orton in the game? Am I the only one who thinks he should have put Tebow in the game at that point?
Agree on Tebow
Give KO a break! The game is over, no need to risk injury. He is our everything. Let backups mop up while Kyle rests.
It will
when Harris and Kuper come back.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Sep 21, 2010 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Chris Kuper and Ryan Harris wave hello
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Have to disagree on Tebow
I’m a big Tebow fan, but I don’t see the reward at plugging him in there just because he’s Tim Tebow. If we didn’t have him, and Quinn was our sole backup, would we be clamoring to see him as well?
Aside from that, there’s no real precedent for pulling a QB this early in the season, no matter how good he is doing. Take, for example, the Colts/Giants game. Peyton played beginning to end, even tossing a TD pass with the game well in hand almost halfway through the 4th quarter. I would argue there is something to be gained by keeping Kyle in through the end of the game. Even if all he does the last 10 minutes is hand off the ball, there is something to be said for every snap he gets as a chance to evaluate a defense – seeing what will work, what won’t, trying to identify coverage schemes, etc. I think that kind of offensive rhythm just builds cohesion in a unit – maybe even more effectively when the game is not on the line.
Dunno – just a thought.
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by TheMorseFile on Sep 21, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are right...
The more mileage in the system and playing, the better he will get…QUICKER. Kyle will be a Top 5 QB this year!
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Agree, Morse, with your premise, and
I might consider extending it slightly further. IF it comes about that Tebow goes in (late in an already decided game, for example), let’s not do the Wild Horse package thing…let’s develop the skills he needs to work on, and make him run our base system. THe Wild Horses may get us some extras, but not enough to get us deep in the playoffs (IM. The risk is that it may expose a promising young QB to increased risk of injury running plays that have a higher risk for high momentum collisions.
2nd time this has been asked,
and im sure not the last. again i will say it, KO deserved to finish what he started. all the clamoring to see tebow play has more to do (i suspect) with fawning over the star tt is than any real worry about injury to KO or development of tebow.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 21, 2010 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
right now it does not matter who is running
we need to get our top O line back to be able to run the ball
by black_knight101 on Sep 21, 2010 9:26 PM MDT up reply actions
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