Denver Broncos News - Horse Tracks - 9/23/10
by John Bena on Sep 23, 2010 5:52 AM MDT
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NFL Game Center: Indianapolis Colts at Denver Broncos - 2010 Week 3
Broncos QB Kyle Orton is quietly having a great start to the season, but Peyton Manning could be primed to shred Denver's secondary.
Orton can see he's in fans' favor - The Denver Post
In the south end zone at Invesco Field at Mile High, a sign read: "#8 is Great!"
Paige: We must learn from McKinley's death - The Denver Post
Colorado, which typically has one of the highest suicide rates in the nation, had a record 940 deaths by suicide last year. — The Denver Post, Sept. 12, 2010
Colts are coming, so the attention shifts to football - The Denver Post
With Kenny McKinley's locker still as it was when he died Monday, the Broncos went about the business of football Wednesday.
Woody's Mailbag: Broncos have fallen off national radar - The Denver Post
I am a Broncos fan who lives near Boston. I listen to a lot of sports radio on my commute to work. This morning there was talk about the Laurence Maroney trade. The morning crew referred to the Broncos organization as a joke. They claim that Josh McDaniels likes anything that Bill Belichick ever got his hands on. They picked on Josh for wearing the hoodie, for signing Jarvis Green to guaranteed money and then cutting him, for moving up and drafting Tim Tebow and for (the Maroney) trade. They even went so far as to blast the organization for picking up Chad Jackson in 2008 at one point (although I don't believe that McDaniels was there yet). It made me sick to my stomach to listen to, as does most Patriots talk. But it got me thinking. Is this the perception of the Broncos organization across the country, and are those thoughts starting to creep into Denver? I like the direction that Josh is taking the team, but I think he just needs some time, which is often a luxury teams can't afford in the win-now NFL. What are your thoughts?
Players can get plenty of help - The Denver Post
They may be bigger, stronger and faster than most, may perform their jobs in front of thousands of people, but in the wake of wide receiver Kenny McKinley's suicide Monday, the Broncos say they often find themselves facing the same emotional and personal issues as do the fans watching them.
Analysis: Colts' Manning is too cool to fool - The Denver Post
Besides the coaches in the AFC South, who find themselves smashing their heads on a desk twice a season, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has faced the Colts' Peyton Manning more than most.
Q&A: NFL debut for Broncos rookie Demaryius Thomas was dandy - The Denver Post
Q: In this young season, who is the Broncos' No. 1 receiver from a fantasy football perspective, Eddie Royal or rookie Demaryius Thomas? I have picked up Royal after a solid two weeks, but I also noticed that Thomas had a big game in Week 2.
Rehashing the Broncos decision: Kyle Orton or Jason Campbell? | All Things Broncos
Remember when Jay Cutler left the Broncos no choice but to trade him in April, 2009? The options came down to two: The Washington Redskins, who were offering two, first-round draft picks and their starting quarterback Jason Campbell; and the Chicago Bears, who offered two first-round draft picks and starting quarterback Kyle Orton.
Harris, Kuper return, but Bailey and Goodman out | All Things Broncos
Three previously injured players returned Wednesday for the first day of practice in preparation for the game Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts _ starting right tackle Ryan Harris (ankle), starting right guard Chris Kuper (knee) and backup safety Darcel McBath (forearm).
San Diego Chargers reject several offers for Vincent Jackson, sources say - ESPN
The San Diego Chargers have rejected several trade offers for wide receiver Vincent Jackson, letting the Wednesday deadline to trade him pass without making a deal.
Rex Ryan rules out injured New York Jets CB Darrelle Revis vs. Miami Dolphins - ESPN New York
Darrelle Revis will miss Sunday's game at Miami after aggravating an injured left hamstring last week in a win over the Patriots.
Braylon Edwards returns to New York Jets practice - ESPN New York
Sensitive to the perception that Braylon Edwards is getting away with a light punishment for his drunken-driving arrest, the New York Jets shifted into damage control Wednesday, suggesting they're handcuffed by the collective bargaining agreement with the players' union.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers safety Tanard Jackson suspended indefinitely for violating drug policy - ESPN
Tampa Bay Buccaneers safety Tanard Jackson has been suspended indefinitely for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy, the team announced Wednesday afternoon.
Philadelphia Eagles hear from several teams about Kevin Kolb, source says - ESPN
The Philadelphia Eagles have received numerous calls about the availability of quarterback Kevin Kolb from several teams, according to a senior team official.
Charlie Batch to start for Pittsburgh Steelers against Tampa Bay Buccaneers - ESPN
The forgotten quarterback is now the Pittsburgh Steelers' starter.
Sources: Dennis Dixon of Pittsburgh Steelers out up to 6 weeks after surgery - ESPN
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Dennis Dixon underwent arthroscopic surgery on the lateral meniscus of his left knee Wednesday, and his recovery time is expected to be close to six weeks, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
New York Jets coach Rex Ryan tells his players to stop embarrassing the franchise - ESPN New York
Humiliated by the recent conduct of his team, New York Jets coach Rex Ryan scolded his players in a Wednesday morning meeting, telling them it's time to end the frat-house behavior.
Quick to Vick: | National Football Post
As the football world debates the Eagles decision to put their designated future (Kevin Kolb) on indefinite hold and try to recreate the past with Michael Vick, let’s look at it from a couple different vantage points.
Ryan Mathews didn't practice | National Football Post
San Diego Chargers rookie running back Ryan Mathews has a high right ankle sprain and didn't practice today.
QB carousel in full swing around the NFL | National Football Post
Even before Eagles’ head coach Andy Reid announced that Michael Vick would start at QB over Kevin Kolb on Sunday, we have seen plenty of quick moves at the quarterback position around the league. Let’s take some time today to break down the QB situations in Carolina, Buffalo and Oakland—where three new starters step under center this Sunday.
Derrick Mason says media silence isn't permanent | National Football Post
Hours after saying that he won't conduct interviews for the remainder of the season, veteran wide receiver Derrick Mason said his media silence isn't permanent.
James Harrison fined $5,000 for hit on Vince Young | National Football Post
The NFL has reviewed hard-hitting Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker Jerome Harrison's body slam of Tennessee Titans quarterback Vince Young, and the verdict is in.
Keith Bulluck says Titans never made an offer | National Football Post
New York Giants linebacker Keith Bulluck made it abundantly clear that he felt unwanted by the Tennessee Titans as a free agent this offseason.
Cowboys licking their wounds following loss to Bears | National Football Post
The Chicago Bears would have you believe they knocked some intimidation into the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday.
Bills vote in favor of decertification, bracing for lockout | National Football Post
The Buffalo Bills' players have become the seventh team to vote in favor of decertification if a collective bargaining agreement can't be brokered between the NFL Players Association and NFL owners.
Addai, Brackett sidelined for Colts | National Football Post
Indianapolis Colts running back Joseph Addai and middle linebacker Gary Brackett didn't practice today due to knee and back injuries, respectively.
No more Mike Singletary interviews for Dennis O'Donnell | National Football Post
The station pulled an interview O’Donnell did with the 49ers coach from its Web site last week after the coach grew heated at different points. O’Donnell will be replaced by Kim Coyle, according to Daniel Brown of the San Jose Mercury News.
NFL.com news: Holdout Jackson: Chargers' failure to trade me 'feels unethical'
Neil Schwartz, the agent for Vincent Jackson, said he had a contract with a new team essentially written up, but the San Diego Chargers' insistence on heavy trade compensation for the Pro Bowl wide receiver nixed the deal before Wednesday's deadline.
NFL.com news: Gradkowski wrests Raiders' starting QB job from Campbell
Five months after acquiring Jason Campbell to be their starting quarterback, the Oakland Raiders benched him in favor of Bruce Gradkowski, beginning with this week's game at Arizona.
NFL.com news: Veteran WR Evans backs Bills' decision to start QB Fitzpatrick
No fan of in-season quarterback shuffles, Buffalo Bills wide receiver Lee Evans wasn't in a position to dispute the team's latest decision to go with Ryan Fitzpatrick as the starter.
NFL.com Blogs " Blog Archive Saints not as feared without Bush "
The loss of Reggie Bush is a big deal for the Saints. The multi-dimensional Bush represents coach Sean Payton’s biggest chess piece on offense.
NFL.com news: Newman-Johnson one of Week 3's key matchups
This is a battle for turf in Texas and is important for marketing. These two teams split their first two meetings. A loss here would inflict serious damage on a Cowboys team that has Super Bowl expectations. As for the Texans, they need to win to show their fans this team is for real, and it helps their credibility within the state.
NFL.com news: Icing kickers with timeouts a cold reality likely here to stay
When Gary Kubiak called a timeout a split-second before Redskins kicker Graham Gano booted what would have been a winning field goal, the Texans coach ignited one of the most passionate issues in the league -- icing the kicker. It worked because when Gano went back for a second try, his kick sailed wide right.
NFL.com news: QB controversies aside, goal is to put team in best spot to win
It's Week 3, so naturally quarterback controversies are front and center. Four coaches in particular are dealing with the fallout from such controversies.
NFL.com news: When it comes to defensive success, big plays tell the tale
On Sunday night, Mario Manningham caught a beautifully arced pass at the 22-yard line, spun out of a desperate tackle attempt and put the Giants on the board with their first touchdown. It was Colts 24, Giants 7. Yippee for the G-Men.
Ryan scrambling to bring order in Jets carnival - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
Rex Ryan was furious. For all the foolishness, the vows of winning the Super Bowl and the urge to forever snack, the New York Jets coach can bring the fury. And on Wednesday morning as he stood before his team, two of the players would later say he was as angry as they had ever seen.
Agent: Deals were in place, but no Jackson trade - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
"Archie Manning had it right about this organization," Schwartz said."Multiple teams have told me that they can’t get a deal done with A.J. and some of the teams have referred to A.J. as ‘The Lord of No Rings,’ " Schwartz said. "That’s how they characterized him."
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Thanks Guru. Thank God we have Xanders and not AJ Smith...he is a horses ass who thinks he is bigger than the players, the Chargers franchise and the NFL. What a wanker!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Although I agree with this statement,
Vincent feeling like he’s being treated unfairly just boggles the mind…..what an arseclown.
He could have stepped up like Doom did, practiced hard in the offseason, and been playing for his team right now….he was under contract after all.
Both sides are acting like children.
:)
Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
AJ was NEVER going to give him a contract and he knew that. AJ never changes...if he has not extended BEFORE your contract up you are pretty much done...both Jackson and McNeill know that!
I am not defending Jackson, but San Diego, thru their idiot despot, does not provide an environment to do what Doom did….and once agains shows its about AJ Smith and how POWERFUL he is, and not about building a good football team. How often do you see Xanders in the head lines? Thats because he is about the players and the team, and not himself!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Sep 23, 2010 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally freakin agree.....and rec'd.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Vincent could have kissed AJ Smith’s ass all off season and not received a deal. The Chargers made that very clear this offseason – that they were not doing deals with Jackson and McNeill.
I can’t wait to see them fall on their faces vs. better teams in 2010. The Chargers have played two of the worst teams in the NFL (and lost one). They are lucky we have the NFC West this year because if we were playing another NFC division, they’d be looking at two or three loses in those four games.
Denver: 33-33 until we're not.
I see AJ Smith bashing a lot here
But the one thing that always crosses my mind, is I feel hypocritical bashing the guy who has put together a team that has whipped us year after year lately. He’s put together a team that’s been better than us for 3-4 years in a row now, so I have a hard time bashing the guy right now…
There's no doubting his eye for talent. Its his lack of traits of being a human being I dont like...and never have. This was a total power play to make himself feel good. Nothing more, nothing less.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
The article by Woody on Kenny and suicide is good.
"To be honest, I will wear whatever number they want me to wear. If that's 15,
I'll wear 15. If that's 95, I'll wear 95. I don't really care, just as long as
I can wear a Denver Broncos jersey. That's my approach and my attitude."
TT 4/23/10
Agreed. I actually rec'd a Paige article after reading it.
Some people got nothing to be angry about so they're angry about nothing. - Doug Stanhope
I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. - Thomas Jefferson
by MrFNSunshine on Sep 23, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Go to FANPOSTS. There is a GREAT article by ANdrew Mason and his struggles with depression. Its FANTASTIC!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Sorry...FANSHOTS.....here it is:
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2010/09/21/aching-for-a-fallen-bronco/#more-1284
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Agreed
Andrew’s & Woody’s articles make for a great discussion on suicide.
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."
by Alan_Smithee on Sep 23, 2010 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
One thing Woody mentioned
was the smell of marajuana in the room. Interesting comment. Sometimes drugs or drinking are used for an ‘escape’ from your troubles, but I’ve had some of my most depressed feelings while high. This may be just one factor that makes a person act vs just think about acting…
You might fool the [people] in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha!
by OutOfYourElement on Sep 23, 2010 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Got to wonder why they call it getting high then. Pot is a major fopar for anyone with mental illness or depression!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Yep
So much is still unknown about it’s affects but multiple studies have confirmed higher levels of psychosis in heavy pot smokers.
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."
by Alan_Smithee on Sep 23, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
For every high, there is a low
You might fool the [people] in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha!
by OutOfYourElement on Sep 23, 2010 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Regular use
Regular use of Marijuana can actually compound depression problems.
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."
by Alan_Smithee on Sep 23, 2010 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
when i get depressed
I remember the words of Ken Kesey (all puncuation is his, please excuse the 60s slang)
And like: “Why would one want to wake up dead anyway?” If the glorious birth-to-death hassle is the only hassle we are ever to have … if our exhilarating Fight of Life is such a tragically short little scrap anyway, compared to the eons of rounds before and after-then why would one want to relinquish even a few precious seconds of it?
Tip: Orton memorabilia soon to increase in value, buy now!
Did anyone catch Inside the NFL last night?
They were talking about bad behavior in the locker room and off the field (Braylon Edwards). Collinsworth, who I think is pretty good, made the comment that teams HAVE to put up with the crap when a superstar is involved….I really wanted to slap him upside the head and point to McD.
You don’t have to put up with it. It’s a coaches decision.
Officially on record with a 10-6 prediction for 2010! (8/21/10)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Agreed.....If brainpower was electricity Collinsworth could not power a light bulb!
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Does every writer at the DP do a Q & A article three to five times a week? The creativity there is overwhelming.
Woody is right to wonder about our RB. Knowshon needs to have a breakout game as soon as his O-line is remotely healthy. With a QB playing well and WRs doing all sorts of impressive things, the running lanes will be open. If Moreno can’t take advantage once we get the scrubs like Daniels and Hoch off the field, then Moreno was over-drafted and we need to start looking at RBs high in the 2011 draft. I can’t judge Moreno yet since we played the worst starting Guards in NFL last week, but this 3.2 yards per carry won’t cut it for a Top 12 overall pick that is 23 years old in his absolute RB prime.
Denver: 33-33 until we're not.
Dude...and they have ALL answered the SAME question on whether Denver is relevant on a national scale.
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Agree completly about Moreno
I am not down on him because he could still develop, but I have yet to see anything other than and average (and maybe not even that) starting running back in the NFL. Again, not saying his is a bust, but how many personnel directors would trade their starting running back for Moreno?
As to the line, McD kind of made that mess. The Broncos had a system and players that fit that system and McD blew that all up. Everyone acts like it is only a matter of time until it is fixed and hopefully it is. McD has a lot to prove in this regard, considering how good the broncos o-line was for so many years. This is the one area I would say is his greatest weakness since taking control. The defense is better, I don’t think there is any question about that. Depending on DT the receivers maybe better and certainly no worse than when McD took control. There is not doubt the receivers are better but people need to remember how shanny used a tight end to great effect. Special teams were not particularly good under shanny and they still have problems, so no net loss there.
The o-line though, there is no way one can claim the o-line under McD is anywhere as good as it was under shanny. I am hoping, that when everyone is healthy things will change.
by Keyworthpunch on Sep 23, 2010 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I dont agree on O line. Love or hate Cutler, he made that O line a lot better than what it really was with his mobility...
I, personally, saw a LOT of improvement last week from Beadles and Walton, or Clady is getting back to his best.
Add Kuper and Harris, put Beadles ot LG and we potentially have one of best O lines.
Pass protection was GREAT last week. You only need to look at our guards to see where the problem is in the run game. Same goes for last season.
I want to see Moreno behind a line that can fire off at the LOS…then lest judge Moreno. i think he is looking like twice the player he was last season.
Adding Maroney will only help Moreno as he will be able to focus on what he is best at! (and thats not being a POWER back).
You, my friend, are proof you dont need to have big floppy feet and a red nose to be a clown!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Walton looked great vs Seattle.
I can’t evaluate the others since they either out of position (Beadles), injured (Harris, Kuper, Clady) or disgustingly terrible (Daniels and Hoch).
O-line is not the only place where McD’s teams have really struggled. Somehow, his ST coach Mike Prieffer makes Scott O’Brien look halfway decent. Our D-line “might” be better, but not by much, ditto on the LBs.
Denver: 33-33 until we're not.
Special teams were not particularly good under shanny and they still have problems, so no net loss there.
B.S. Special teams were terrible — TERRIBLE — under Shanny. You can look it up. The broncos had the second-worst special teams of any team in 2008. In 2009. They were middle of the pack. Even with the big fails in week one and week two, Football Outsiders has the Broncos at 28th. I.e., better than they were during an entire season of epic stink at the end of Shanny’s tenure.
I know the last two weeks stunk, and I know the fake punt in Washington was massively painful, but the special teams are definitely on the upswing under McD. Saying otherwise = denial about how bad it was before.
I disagree about needing to draft an RB high in the draft if Moreno doesn’t have a breakout game (not sure what that means).
McDaniels looks for backs that can play 3rd down—meaning they can pick-up blitzes and catch the ball out of the backfield. He doesn’t seem to look for an elite RB that will get 1500 yds rushing.
If you are thinking Moreno will develop into a 100/game 1500/season type back, I don’t think that will happen. He won’t be used that way. Backs will rotate in this system and frankly we are a pass first team, not a run team like we were in 2005.
Now, I do agree that we need another young RB next year (Buck’s days are numbered and I doubt White plays again) so drafting one makes sense but probably a lower pick. DL or OL is a higher priority IMO.
On the SB Halftime Show, From Woody's Mailbag
How about the Byrds, the Turtles, the Monkees and Eric Burdon and the Animals?
That would be fantastic, and infinitely preferable to those blasted Black Eyed Peas.
They just flat-out suck.
Colt vs. Broncos
With the o-line back together and with 2 starting CBs out, I think we have no choice but to try to out-gun the Colts and hope that there are some turnovers on their side.
Paige: We must learn from McKinley's death - The Denver Post
This is a must read! At one point everyone suffers from depression and this is a good article about it the signs and ways you can save someone
Why do I get the feelin of Deja Vu from that mailbag question about
how the Boston media thinks of the Broncos and Josh McD…? Who cares.
(On the other hand, kind of wish we played them again this year.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
And I see others above me made same point. Never mind.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
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