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Kudos for Coach McDaniels

It's been a long time since I have posted, but I felt that the Alphonso Smith trade needed to have some perspective.  There will obviously be a fair amount of backlash from those in the media and blogsphere regarding Coach McDaniels failed gamble in the Alphonso Smith pick, and I will admit that I did not like the pick for a variety of reasons and thought it was a poor gamble by McDaniels.  I had hoped I would be proven wrong on this opinion, but that was not to be the case.  This post is not intended as a "I told you so", but more of I am glad that the coach is willing to recognize a mistake and move on.  Let me be the first or one of the first to commend McDaniels in admitting to the mistake early and moving on from it.  No one in the NFL is a perfect talent evaluator, not McDaniels, not Xanders, not Belichek, not Piolli, not Walsh, not Kiper, not Broncoman.  Even the greatest coaches have made some bone headed choices in the NFL draft, reached for players, made poor value choices, and made poor gambles.  Everyone makes mistakes, everyone gets fooled, gets sold on players that have no business in the NFL, what I find commendable is that McDaniels was able to distance himself from his ego and do what is best for the team.  Many a first year NFL coach would not be able to admit the mistake and try to move on, many would have kept Smith with the hope that his potential somehow could be realized.  It happens in the business world all the time, you get fooled by a resume or interview and hire the wrong person, a good manager is able to admit the mistake, get rid of the person and move on, the poor manager keeps the person around dragging down the company because they don't want to look like they made a mistake.  This latter attitude generally will cost managers their jobs eventually and will cost coaches their jobs in addition. I commend McDaniels from being able to look at the team and do what was in the best interest.  As Bill Parcels says, "Potential gets coaches fired."  I still find a lot of McDaniels picks questionable, but if he is willing to admit the mistakes, learn from them, and do what is best for the team, then that's all I can ask for.   Kudos from Broncoman.

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Not so fast ..

Just spent a little time over on the Detroit list … you would think those guys just won the Cuttler lottery. The fact is there is nothing wrong with Alphonzo Smith as a second year player – maybe not quite the first round material we hoped for but more than capable at his position. He had a solid preseason with some very noticeable plays. What really struck me when I read the Detroit posts is that they are celbrating the chance to go through our trash can! We throw out better DBs than they are able to bring into camp. I think a lot of kudos go to McD for placing himself in the position of having to cut an Alphonzo Smith.

by Flunkie on Sep 6, 2010 6:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Yep

Nnamdi Asomugha ( a first round pick in 03) did absolutely nothing his first couple years in the league. I think the trade was more a matter of Thompson and Cox looking real good, plus with Branson hurt, we needed a tight end.

Take it easy, but take it. Studs Terkel

by bradley on Sep 6, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a little tired of hearing all this trash talk about Smith.

For all you that seemingly will condemn McDaniels forever over this, the thrid draft choice he made only a few months after arriving as head coach and without fully complementary staff of scouts, I say BS.

Frist, name me one coach, GM Owner, team or organization that has NOT made a mistake with a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. There are NONE.

Next, Denver was not the only team or scounting organization that had Smith projected to be drafted EXECTLY where he was. Now I do realize that a number of people whos idea of working out is talk football while doing 12 oz. arm curls and they ALL agree, after the fact, that Smith was a mistake.

Bu that does not speak to McX’s ability to judge talent and make some great draft decisions. Now the fact that they did an even BETTER job this year in aquiring both Cox and Thompson does not deminish that. Their ability at evaluation is what made Smith expendable in the first place.

So far McDaniels draft choices have been head over heels better than what had been done before they arrived. Especially in the area of defensive players.

I am thrillled at both drafts that have occurred under McX and im going to love to see the contributions that collection of talent is going to display for us this season. Its time to move on with the moaning and whining over one pick that people have decided they didnt like.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Sep 6, 2010 6:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Not sure why...

…statements “against” Smith generate such strong responses. Are Broncos fans afforded the oportunity of their own opinions on this forum? Many didn’t like giving up a 1 for the number 37 overall. Rightly or wrongly Smith was being judged as the 14th overall pick in the 2010 draft; something he has not lived up to in one year plus a full offseason.

It just so happened that Denver drafted two players this year who each showed more promise, so congrats to the head coach for recognizing and then publicly acknowdledging that fact by trading Smith for what he could get. His trade of Smith was for the betterment of the current team. It is no longer relevant if trading away a 1 for Smith was right or wrong because that already happened. I am glad as a fan of the team that the error was not further compounded by releasing someone else to wait longer for Smith to truly show his ability. Good luck to you A. Smith, all the best in Detroit.

Let’s be realistic though, Denver is completely overhauling a 14 year regime led by the former coach. This will take time, more than two drafts and one season. This will also entail a lot of painful mistakes, cuts and growing pains. As fans of this team let us all be thankful that we have not had to endure such turmoil in the past 30 plus years. Denver is a strong franchise, as their record since the 1970 merger will attest (8th most wins in the league since that time). I imagine that position is even higher if we count only the seasons since Denver’s first playoff appearance in 1977.

So be grateful we are not Raiders fans, or any other team that constantly finds itself in disarray, like the Bungles of the past 20 years. We are fortunate to be fans of the most underrated franchise in the league (46-10 including playoffs in Elway’s final 3 seasons. No national outlet mentions this when they spout off about how great the Pats are AND in the era of free agency. Denver did much better, did not win each SB by three points, did not benefit from the outrageous tuck call etc) and we should be able to tolerate a few differing opinions without being offended.

KnoMo27

by KnoMo27 on Sep 6, 2010 7:08 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

This is a reply to the quote

“I’m a little tired of hearing all this trash talk about Smith.”

by KnoMo27 on Sep 6, 2010 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

You and I agree actually

And I should have titled my response some thing more like "I’mtired of all the trash talking of McD over the Smith Pick. People up set with Smith’sperfromance to date and not what stir me up. He, to date, has not justified the expectations of the pick.

But I do love the FOs talent orgainzation, dedication and study prior to the Draft. I also admire their tenacity and dedication to not just waiting to see what players fall to them and, instead, actively committt themselvs to going and doing everything they can to get the players they think they need.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Sep 6, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

admitting the mistake

I cannot find anywhere where McDaniels himself openly admitted to making a mistake. Broncoman, are you suggesting the trade is an admission? Your write up basically states that McDaniels himself made the mistake. I am just curious where this information came from.

I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar

by timmaybronco on Sep 6, 2010 7:44 PM MDT reply actions  

 Ken Whisenhunt = Matt Leinart

by kchav21 on Sep 6, 2010 8:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Whisenhunt did not draft Leinart

What are you trying to say?

Take it easy, but take it. Studs Terkel

by bradley on Sep 6, 2010 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Detroit fans are not as smart as many Bronco fans!

Detroit fans will appreciate Smith, root for Smith and he will be a very good cornerback for them. Many Broncos fans are a lot smarter than the coaching and scouting staff and know who the management should draft before and after the draft.
This is no reflection on the person who wrote this post but even he knew Smith was a bad choice when he was drafted! The Broncos just have too many really smart fans, after all, they are much better at judging players than the scouts & coaches that have millions of dollars of research available to them!

Kansas Bob

by kansas bob on Sep 6, 2010 9:20 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Any Other Year

   We would have kept Phonz and let him develope (corners should always be given a while to adapt) but with the arrival of Cox, Syd’Quan and Vaughn, we had no choice but to let Smith (who I still think can be a nasty playmaking corner in this league) walk. I guess what I’m trying to say is that it wasn’t so much an admission of a mistake as it was other young corners stepping up. Correct me if I’m wrong guys but I think McDaniels wrote the defensive back draft manual in the New England “Draft Bible” during his tenure as a defensive assistant there. Make no bones about it, our coach knows a thing or two about the defensive backfield and Alphonso Smith was no mistake, but when you have the best starting corner tandem in the league and 3 rookies who are playing lights out it’s pretty easy to get lost in the shuffle.

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 6, 2010 9:28 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Well stated.

+1

It’ll be nice to see what kind of help Dre Bly gets this year over in Detroit.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 7, 2010 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Bly was cut by the Lions

Take it easy, but take it. Studs Terkel

by bradley on Sep 7, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

That

= News to me. Thanks.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 7, 2010 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

"best starting corner tandem in the league"?

I don’t think so. They’re good, but they’re not the best.
Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Sep 7, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I realize that

You could argue that Harris/Woodson from GB are the best, possibly the Jets tandem, but I guarantee it’s top 3

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 7, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed - one of the best

I’d put the Bengals duo up there as well.
Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Sep 8, 2010 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Raises a question

I wonder whether or not McX dangled either Smith, Cox, or Thompson or Vaughn, and Detroit chose Smith? Just a thought.

Take it easy, but take it. Studs Terkel

by bradley on Sep 6, 2010 9:47 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm sure it was just Smith

Not that I have any factual evidence… I guess I’m just hoping that was the case (that Smith was the only offer)

If the FO were to be ‘dangling’ freshly drafted, high performers like Cox or Thompson – that would (IMO) show haste and a bit of ignorance (Vaughn not so much, though I do like the potential, but I’d take Smith over Vaughn any day).

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 7, 2010 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not Syd'Quan or Perrish

  These guys are too valuable to trade for a 7th round tight end, but I would not be shocked if Vaughn does end up getting moved somewhere before it’s all over. If I were coach, I would have traded Nate Jones before any of the others. He looked way too mediocre during the pre-season for my liking and I still think Phonz has what it takes.

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 6, 2010 9:54 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I really, really,

really, really, don’t like having Jones on the squad, as opposed to Smith. I have yet to see a single reason why We would or should keep him over Alphonso…. I guess the nickname ‘Nasty Nate’ doesn’t bode well with me either.

I’m over it, as long as We see some great performance.

That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 7, 2010 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I got your point KnoMo

I stated the same thing a few days ago on another thread. McD cut bait and moved onward.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.

by KaptainKirk on Sep 6, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but I don't see picking A Smith as a mistake if it's in the best intentions and the teams interest...

Picking Jay Cutler was a mistake and never was brought down upon Shanahan’s head. He should have evaluated that player out a lot more than McD/X did with Smith!

by bfree2bronc on Sep 6, 2010 10:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't like Cutler but picking him was not a mistake, even in hindsight.

He performed the best of any of the 1st round QBs for his first 3 years. Last year he performed poorly but as he was not being coached by Shannahan its hard to fault Shanny for that. He got the Broncos a bounty of draft choices. Crucify Shannahan for a host of mistakes in draft selection but not Jay Cutler.

Now imagine how much less of a value we would have gotten if we had drafted Leinhart.

"This signature intentionally left blank" Josh McDaniels

by Dwhite on Sep 6, 2010 11:16 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Spot On

DJ Williams was the only player of note from a 5 year span of drafting that was worth anything.

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 7, 2010 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Anyone who has carefully observed McDaniels both on and off the field:

Would not be completely shocked by the move with Alphonso Smith. He consistently been raising the level of competition at every position and getting rid of the players that can’t handle the pressure. Who punts balls in practice and gets all pouty when competition comes in at their positions? Not a player that’s ready to compete under pressure for any big titles.

Whether or not any of us agree with the FO decisions, no one should be surprised that McDaniels somehow overcame is alleged “ego” to let go of Smith. As far as i’ve seen – from watching every single press release and every local interview on CBS4 of Josh McDaniels – he is far from having a dangerous ego. He is a player’s coach, and those guys love playing for a guy like that. Yeah he brings in competition and makes players lives hard but they’re not stupid. They know he’s only making them better.

Too many people confuse McDaniels confidence and willingness to take risks as an ego or whatever they want to call it, but he’s just trying to win. This is a league that is competative as hell and you HAVE to take risks to have a shot at winning. He is doing that; and he has never come off to me as anything but a reasonable and sensible person on camera.

"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes

by Alexander Wall on Sep 7, 2010 1:14 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

McDaniels

WILL be a GREAT not good coach, mark it, period.

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 7, 2010 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Cutler/Marshall/Scheffler/Hillis moves were NOT ego.

He was bringing in competition and changing the philosphy at Dove Valley and for whatever reason those guys didn’t mesh with it. “It” not being an ego, but being a new way of doing things. McDaniels isn’t the ONLY person calling the shots in Dove Valley – he’s just the guy that’s ultimately responsible for them. You can’t single handedly run a team, there’s just to many working parts. You’ve GOT to delegate authority out to other leaders (hence getting rid of a guy like Cutler for an Orton or Ayers or Moreno maybe? Those guys are stepping it up and leading by example – by all reports out of Dove Valley this offseason). Cutler is a QB but he’s a very different type of leader than is required with this team philosophy. I’m glad he was here, and also glad he’s gone. And McDaniels “ego” has nothing to do with it.

"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes

by Alexander Wall on Sep 7, 2010 1:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

A post after my own heart

Cutler truly is a “different” kind of leader, a non existent one. Do you remember what Champ said shortly after the trade – something to the effect of “Jay is a different kind of guy.” That difference is not being a gamer.

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 7, 2010 1:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

I try to give our players the benefit of the doubt. Even former players that consistenly showed they didn’t know how to stop making the same mistakes. Lol.

"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes

by Alexander Wall on Sep 7, 2010 1:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

The point I was trying to make without writing too much (because I was watching the Boise St/Virginia Tech game was,

McDaniels owes nobody an appology for what he does if it is in the best interests of the team at that time. Shanahan never appologied for any of his moves and shouldn’t. It would be a sign of weakness and a chink in the armor…I appreciated Pat Bowlen for hiring Mike Shanahan to the head coach position when he did, but we have to face the facts, John Elway and the Broncos were headed in the direction they went one way or another and I am sure there were several heaad coaches at that time who could have come in lead them there.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 7, 2010 9:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Elway

was going to get his no matter what………..

by PaleHorse78 on Sep 9, 2010 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

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