Denver Broncos Week 1 - What We Know and What We Don't
Before the season starts, I think it's important to evaluate what you know so that you can consider what you still don't. Personally, I have a lot of questions left unanswered. Here's one question that I don't know the answer to, quite yet.
Will Eddie Royal's increased size (bigger muscles) help him beat press coverage?
Last season, he had a few problems with press coverage. When he would face physical corners, it took him forever to get off the line of scrimmage and really impeded his ability to get up the field into open space and give Orton an open man. Was press coverage the reason why his 2009 season wasn't as good as his 2008 season? Perhaps. Once defenses figured out that they just needed to get up on the line of scrimmage and push Eddie Royal off of his route, they did. It worked.
Eddie Royal has been notified of this, as well, and he has obviously put on some muscle to counteract that. The reason that I still don't know the answer to my question is because nobody has really pressed him in preseason. Eddie Royal does look stronger, but what I'm anxious to see is his technique. How is he going to use his hands and quickness to get off the line of scrimmage?
So, that's just one example of something that we don't know the answer to, yet. Let's continue on with a few things that we do know.
This team is being built through the draft.
We're talking about a team that has 9 draft picks that made the roster and figure to make an impact this year or next. Even more, 5 rookies may see significant playing time this season (Thomas, Decker, Cox, Walton and perhaps Beadles) while the other 4 show significant promise as backups and may get some starting time in the future if they continue to improve.
To me, this is one of the things that I am most excited about under the McDaniels regime. I like how we focus more on the draft than we do in free agency. The Shanahan "fill a hole with an expensive free agent" approach is fine if you are one step away from a Super Bowl, but it is no way to build a team. McDaniels seems to enjoy stockpiling picks and drafting tough, smart, physical football players to build a team around. I'm excited to see how much more tough we are than last season, where it seemed we were getting worn down as the season progressed. That's not what a tough football team does at the end of the season.
Kyle Orton will start.
This is one of the most obvious statements that we could make at MHR, but it's a statement that many in the MSM will find hard to hear. As much fun as it is to talk about Tebow playing in the NFL this year, he won't. Kyle Orton is going to start and he will be successful. He has had a very good preseason going 38/57 for 397 yards, 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions (one of which was tipped by Lance Ball into the opportunistic arms of Dre Bly).
Orton has played with decisiveness, poise, and swagger for all the games he has participated in. A few bumps in the road have occurred, but he is vastly improved in comparison to the beginning of the 2009 season. This season, he has yet to be boo'd out of Mile High Stadium and he hasn't broken his finger on any helmets. Knock on wood.
The wide receiver depth on this team is fantastic.
I don't remember being this deep at wide receiver, ever. We may not have the big name wide outs, but we can put a 5 WR set on the field that will challenge every team in the NFL. Remember in the 2003 playoffs against the Colts where we were destroyed by Peyton Manning? It's a painful memory, I know, but I believe we have a group of wide receivers that will be similar to that. Who cares if we go against a team with a Champ Bailey equivalent? We'll just throw to the other wide receivers all day long.
The offensive line is young, talented, and nasty.
Our offensive line isn't afraid to bust you in the mouth... or the forehead. I love the fact that J.D. Walton showed a little bit of nastiness when he cut a gash in the forehead of James Farrior. Was it dirty? Perhaps, but I'd rather our offensive line put a guy on the bench and show some physicality than to just roll over and play dead. The ref's whistle had not blown and Farrior's helmet had fallen off after Walton lowered his head. It happens and I am of the belief that Walton didn't do anything wrong. Lowering your shoulder when a player is on the ground is a part of the game... right James Harrison?
It has been an interesting off-season along the offensive line. With acquisitions in the draft and injuries to both of our offensive tackles, many believed that the offensive line would be our biggest issue (especially the interior). However, I was taken aback in week 4 as I heard a lot of concern about our offensive tackles and not much talk about our interior. This speaks volumes for Walton and Beadles, in my opinion, who have played the majority of snaps during the preseason. The fact that people aren't moaning about two rookies giving up big plays all the time is a testament to how they performed during the past month. Granted, Beadles did not show enough to earn a starting role. However, he showed me that he has significant promise in the future and could certainly earn some starting time if an injury arises or a starter doesn't continue to perform very well.
We are getting healthier.
"Healthier" is a relative term, in this case. Especially when you consider how, a month ago, we would lose about 2 players a day due to injury. Doom won't be playing in 2010 and neither will Brandon Stokley, Lendale White or Kenny McKinley (for a second straight season). Other than that, we should have most of our guys returning to the playing field this week, which is comforting. To be honest, after a few weeks of training camp, I was wondering if we would even have enough guys to fill the roster. I'm happy to report that we did fill the 53 man roster and the only projected starter on injured reserve is Elvis Dumervil. We'll miss him, but it could certainly be a worse situation.
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Thus concludes the things of which we can be certain. Now, let's explore some topics that we may not know the answer to but are eager to discover as the season rolls on.
What We Do Not Know
Never before have I had so many questions about what the season will bring. In addition to the Eddie Royal question that I proposed earlier, there are many other questions that I am hoping to have answered. Many of these questions I will address during the season, in hopes of answering them. Some may be answered in a matter of days while others may take years to pan out. With that said, here are a few questions that I am looking to have answered.
- Will Daniel Graham be healthy soon? To be honest, I had no idea he had a chest injury until Wednesday. There was no big news story about it and either the media didn't find out or didn't care enough to report it.
- If Daniel Graham can't play this week, does McDaniels trust Richard Quinn, at this point, enough to give him significant play time?
- If that's not the case, does he put his faith in Dan Gronkowski during his first full week as a Denver Bronco?
- Was Gronkowski brought into Denver because McDaniels didn't think very highly of Quinn?
- Has Demaryius Thomas fully healed?
- If not, how long will it take for Thomas to recover?
- Will Thomas ever be truly "healthy"? It seems like the guy has been injured forever.
- If Thomas plays in week 1, is it because he is fully healthy or because we just want to see him on the field? I hope it's the former.
- Is Darcel McBath injury prone or just the most unlucky person in the world?
- Can Nate Jones provide more for the 2010 Broncos than Perrish Cox and Syd'Quan Thompson can, despite their youth?
- Will Eddie Royal continue to return kicks, despite the work that Cox, Thompson and Willis put in during the preseason?
- Is Russ Hochstein the most versatile player on the Broncos roster? He is the backup for 3 positions on the depth chart. If not, what about Spencer Larsen, Eddie Royal, Nate Jones, other
The next two are in bold, so prepare yourself. I'll be playing particularly close attention to these questions as the season progresses.
Will our run defense last?
This is still very much a question in my mind after finishing 2009 as one of the worst rush defenses in the NFL. Then we got run over in the preseason and I'm left scratching my head. Sure, much of the damage was due to poor tackling and lack of gap discipline from our second and third stringers but the big gains allowed against the Bengals, especially, keep me up at night wondering if we can put the pieces together when the real games start. We'll find out in a few days, won't we?
Will we fade down the stretch in 2010?
I mentioned in my fanpost "Orton Theories" from a while back, some reasons for Kyle Orton statistically fading down the stretch (along with the rest of the team. I said in my article how Orton's ankle and the offensive line contributed to the lack of production. This leads me to yet another thing I am looking for. I'm going to be looking for - and I'll tell you beforehand that it is a long term issue - how the passing game (Kyle Orton) has improved in 2010 (or not). Yes, our passing game looked outstanding in the preseason and there is no reason to believe that it will be unsuccessful on the road against the Jaguars. However, I want to see the full picture. Let's see a handful of games (about 8 to 10 games) so that we that we can have enough data points to determine a trend. If we dominate the first 5 games and then, for whatever reason, can't score points in weeks 6 through 10 then we have a problem. However, we won't be able to say after week one, "Yes, everything is better" or "Oh no, nothing has been fixed". One game is too small a sample size to determine the answers to these questions.
Like I said before, some of these things that I am wondering won't be answered in week 1. Many of them won't even be answered in week 10. For now, let's just keep some of these questions in the back of our minds and enjoy our week one victory against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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everyone comments on our run defense
however from my recollection, our first teamers did not let up many yards, with a couple bumps in the road here or there. Our run defense was porous at best with our 3rd and 4th stringers….. even our 2nd stream guys didn’t do that bad.
With so many injuries… we had 3rd and 4th stringers playing with our 1’s and 2’s however. But now that our defensive line and backers are healthy again…. I’m not sure why the concern. Yes…. our 3rd and 4th stringers sucked – I’ll give you that, but our 1’s and 2’s – not so much!
As for down the stretch…. time will tell, however the latter of our season is lighter than the front part. Hopefully that will bode well! The opposite is for the CHargers… if the Chargers start off slow… they’re gonna have one heck of a time at the end of their tough season!
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The QB scrambles are still what haunts me. I know we were missing some guys, and most of the scrambles were later in the game with our reserves, but it still urks me.
I like what I saw in Hunter and Mays though.
As for SD, the have the 29th easiest schedule this year. I wouldn’t say they have a tough schedule. They only play 4 playoff teams from last year and two of them are Arizona and Cincy.
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by Bronco Billy on Sep 9, 2010 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the run D
Will be better than the pre-season stats indicate. I recall Jahvid Best and Cedric Benson breaking one big run apiece against our first string defense, so they need to work on that. That can also be attributed to the LB’s not taking good angles. Remember, for those two games, we had Haggan at OLB where he is significantly worse than when he’s playing on the inside. He’s simply not quick enough outside. I think we could see vast improvement. I mean, I know it was MIN’s second team, but Albert Young went nowhere against our first unit. Rashard Mendenhall didn’t do really anything either except for that play where he broke away from the clutter on the right side and found room on the opposite side of hte field. That’s gap discipline. Trust your teammates to make the tackle whilest being prepared for the worst, Jarvis Moss or Robert Ayers.
You’ll see these guys grow some teeth. I think we have better depth on the interior than we did last year for sure. Of course, it stands out as a weak spot on this team. This is a good team though, ten win caliber team in my opinion.
I think the run D can show up for this game and take advantage of MJD’s gimpy knee. We then play against Justin Forsett, Joseph Adda/Donald Brown, Shonn Greene, Ray Rice, and some other good backs. This unit will be tested this year, to be sure.
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Jahvid Best
Broke off a few long runs against a few different teams. That kid could be something special.
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I hope so, I drafted him in my fantasy league. :)
by Gristle McThornbody on Sep 9, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder a bit
Because although we did look solid up the middle against straight power runs, off tackle and outside designed runs looked a bit scary. Until the OLBs prove they can consistently set the edge and hold up against the run I think we are going to see a lot of runs to the edges of our defense with an occasional run up the gut from a 4 or 5 wide set that forces us to stretch the defense out moving our OLBs into a forced coverage position.
Of course the scariest runs came on what looked like fairly well executed plays or broken scrambles. Both of which are going to hurt every team at some point this season. We will see soon enough with MJD on Sunday.
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We had some over pursuit issues and sealing off the cut back lanes. They are easy things to fix , I feel, so I am expecting a shut down effort against a weak Jags O Line.
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I think we also got a major addition to the front seven..
This Kevin Vickerson seems to fit like a glove. Research makes me wonder why Seattle cut him?Also I question Detroit on Jason Hunter, but they do have very nice youth. Thanks Detroit!
I would be more comfortable having Kevin Alexander on the 53 instead of only 3 OLB’s.
I know it must happen every once in a while...
…but do teams pick up many impact players sifting through the last cut down? I mean Vickerson seems good, may very well be an upgrade, and may add some depth, but can Seattle really have been that wrong about him?
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by Trinidad Jack on Sep 9, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Hard to say
On the one hand, you like to think that these pros know what they’re doing. On the other hand, this is the team that had their all-world line coach, etc (Gibbs) abruptly resign a week before the season starts, which to me raises a huge red flag.
I’m not convinced that Carroll has the juice to make it in the NFL, still.
Since it was the last cut-down, seems to me that those are the players that are most likely to have some impact, since they were probably the most talented of the bubble players. Let’s hope, anyway.
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 9, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's Hope Seattle
doesn’t figure it out until after week 2!!
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+1
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by Trinidad Jack on Sep 9, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
That's just the problem.
To me, saying “I think” isn’t good enough. It’s still a question in my mind.
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Well put
Great job on the knowns and unknowns. For me, the entire season boils down to whether the D can put any pressure on the opposing qb. I think that the DL will do well. Our first string LB’s will do a better job of contain, as ALOT of yards were gained when the upfront 3 plugged the middle of the line, and the opposing RB’s were able to slid off-tackle, or even reverse and gain outside room on the other side of the “scrum” . . . so, on third down, will we pressure the qb and force inaccurate throws, interceptions, throw aways, qb scrambles out of bounds? I believe our Offense will get points. I don’t care how good our D backs are, if the qb has enough time, he will pick us apart.
the entire season boils down to whether the D can put any pressure on the opposing qb.
Amen to that.
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by Bronco Billy on Sep 9, 2010 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Demaryius Thomas
I expect he will be inactive on Sunday. His time will come, though.
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I agree.
I have to keep reminding myself that although his injury was not as severe as Decker’s, it happened much closer to the draft, so he has had less overall time to recover. Aside from this one injury, I don’t recall reading any reports that he was injury prone in college.
He’ll be fine, but may not be active until week 3 or 4.
McD said hope he is playing this week.
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He is not making decisive cuts on the practice field according to reports.
I doubt he’ll be active till he can run explosive routes and get open. Foot injuries are tricky, especially for a wide receiver. It doesn’t appear he has confidence in his cutting ability yet and I wouldn’t activate him till he can really explode into his cuts running patterns.
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Royal
Having trouble with the press would have limited the number of passes thrown to Royal.
But the thing with Royal is that his catch rate sucked last season. Much worse than the prior year. Something like 46%, when Gaffney, Graham, and Marshall were all above 60% .
On top of that, football outsiders has never rated Royal as being above “replacement level”.
I think we have to see major improvement from Royal soon, or we’re going to see Decker surpass him on the depth chart in the slot. I never really saw the sense of putting a small quick guy in the slot anyway – a big guy with clean routes would give you better mismatches against linebackers and nickel DBs, wouldn’t it?
Plus Royal will see a lot less press coverage since he will usually be playing in the slot. This will allow him to start off the line and to move a lot pre-snap, moving him toward favorable matchups. I look to see a lot more production from Royal this year. With our depth, we’ll likely see 3-4 receivers with good numbers but none with great numbers — I’ll take Ws over individual stats and accolades any day.
Totally Agree
I’m not sure why the OP wonders about Royal’s ability to deal with press coverage since he’s now the slot guy.
To the "small guy thing"
seems to work for Wes Welker
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by bronco-Maine-iac on Sep 9, 2010 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
And to be honest, Royal has more upside than Welker. He is stronger. quicker and more elusive. I believe it may have been Mike Lombardi who said Royal should bring more to the slot position than Welker. He could be a game changer!
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by boydy2669 on Sep 9, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!
This is what I have been excited about. The Royal Burn Unit will be opening holes for other receivers too, especially after about Week 6 and everyone starts emphasizing him in their game plans.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 9, 2010 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
What we don't know
I would add:
- Will Dawkins play continue to be at the elite level or will he show signs of his age this year?
- Will Harris and Clady be healthy for most of this year (say 13+ games each)?
I am eager to see the answer to your question about who we will see on the kick returns. I thought Thompson has some serious spunk to him.
What we do know
- There will be more excitement regarding the quarterback play this year than last
"McDaniels seems to enjoy stockpiling picks and drafting tough, smart, physical football players to build a team around."
As opposed to weak, stupid players?
Is this drafting strategy not true of the other 31 teams in the NFL? I’m not trying to be flippant here but are there any football teams that don’t want to draft tough, smart, football players?
I ask this because I keep seeing this statement knocked around here at MHR a lot. And it strikes me as a bit too much of a statement of the obvious does it not?
(And I loved everything about our 2010 draft by the way in case anyone thinks I’m knocking McD with this post).
Not knocking the OP – just would like some healthy debate about drafting strategy.
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by British Bronco on Sep 9, 2010 10:49 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Definitely understand what you're saying
But that’s not what Troy is getting at. It’s not that every other NFL team is looking to draft weak, dumb players, but the Broncos have been intentional about the type of player that is brought on to this squad in that area. Shanahan was content to bring in great players with mental/personal baggage who flamed out quicker than any of us fans would have liked. McDaniels learned the right way to draft from his days in New England. They are a team that does it right also.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Sep 9, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
McD and Xanders have a very specific set of talents at each position that they’ve researched and decided is ideal for that postion. They draft trying to meet the closest match to the ideal of that position to perform the way they need to in our system. Thus a player may not have the same attributes playing tight end in our system as they would in the Lions system. Many teams draft without a specific set of attributes, but based on previous performance or talent alone. Frequently you can end up with talented players misfit and unable to perform at their previous level because they’re asked to do things that aren’t strengths or which mismatch their best attributes. Some players are so talented that they can play any system and be successful, but these are rare players of which you’re only likely to have 2-4 on any given team.
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well
The raiders dont care about how tough or smart their players are…. as long as they can run like a cheetah…. or wing a football 80 yards from their knees.
Speaking of which, if you can wing a football 80 yards from your knees…. you must have a lot of practice being on your knees……….
just a thought
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Yes true I forgot about the Raiders...
30 other teams then….
On a more serious note and taking what Sayre has said onboard, it would be interesting to compare say wonderlic scores of draftees by team. Anyone know where that info is held for the combine results?
In other words does McD draft above players with above average scores than he does players who score below?
I hear what you are saying Sayre but can it proved with emperical evidence? Sounds like a little research project for myself during quiet times at work.
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by British Bronco on Sep 9, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
The wonderlic to me is
how fast a player can process and breakdown the information, not necessarily the score. This used to be most important for skill positions such as Line backers, corners, QB’s, wide outs, running backs and safeties – however is becoming more important for linemen as well, especially centers. The score itself isn’t important unless it is way below par, as then you see players not really analyzing data they are seeing, but just anticipating. “Well lets see, I havn’t answered ‘D’ in a long time… so let me pencil that one in”.
Centers are becoming more valuable as they tend to call out the blocking assignments with the help of the quarterback if the QB sees something that he doesn’t like.
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some wonderlic scores to compare
here are some scores I found. I don’t know how reliable it is, but some food for thought:
http://www.faniq.com/blog/2009-NFL-Wonderlic-Scores-Matt-Stafford-Impresses-Blog-20999
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=61&f=3972&t=3012998
Elway scored 30 or 29 depending on which site you go to. Brees and P. Manning – 28, Terry Bradshaw – 15.
I always wanted to see him start (and kick a$$ of course)
Haven’t thought about him for a while.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 9, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Bradshaw
was one of those dumb guys who could chuck it 80 yards. Lol
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It’s an extremely underrated part of toughness. It’s being able to forget the last play and perform consistently.
Few players are mentally tough.
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McD always said, “tough, smart, and versatile”. That’s not necessarily what other teams go for. Many of them go for players with “great physical tools”, which implies a different kind of playing style – one where they might be undisciplined but where they can turn them loose in an simple scheme. Plus, there are a ton of players out there that I wouldn’t describe as “tough” – these are the ones that take plays off when it doesn’t go their direction, etc, even though they are capable of great plays here and there. So, I think it really is a distinction.
It’s relative I understand, but DT has been injured only in the last 6 months. So to say “seems like the guy has been injured forever” is a bit extreme. Setbacks are common in foot injuries. Let him heal properly and then see what brings…A LOT IMO.
You dont find that size and speed anywhere. Now, if he doesnt heal up in the next couple of weeks or gets abck and then re-injures himself, then I’d start to question his health.
Honestly, I’m more worried about Harris being a health-risk every.
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by Orange and Blue on Sep 9, 2010 10:53 AM MDT reply actions
I suspect Harris may not be a Bronco much longer
I REALLY like him. His effort and talent are both unquestionable. But he does seem to be hurt quite often. If Harris finds himself hurt for an extended period of time I think Beadles may show us why he was not listed as the starter week one sooner rather than later. And if Beadles comes in and does an adequate or better job at RT then we may have a new bookend for Clady.
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I dunno
All that’s happened to Harris is that he had a toe injury, which was re-aggravated when they put him out too soon, and this last ankle injury was because Buckhalter rolled up on his ankle from behind. That’s not really the mark of an injury-prone player.
Harris is extremely underrated – if Beadles plays better than Harris, he’d be an incredibly amazing steal in the second round. Beadles was drafted to be our sixth man, a high-quality depth player.
but the pattern of injuries will have to be weighed (it goes back to college I think too) when looking to invest a boatload of $$ he will ask after this season. Of course, if he’s healthy all year (or most), then he’ll be re-signed.
These are the types of decisions that make me happy I’m a “keyboard” GM.
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by Orange and Blue on Sep 9, 2010 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree Tune....none of those injuries were his fault, or thru a lack of being professional.
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Good post
I like the comment about our interior line. That was a huge concern in the off season and now it seems more people are worried about our tackles. Of course it was only the preseason, but still I feel like things have improved in that area compared to last year.
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Of course McDaniels doesn’t think highly of him. He’s a blocker and that’s it.
Well,
that’s two different questions.
First, was giving up two thirds for a second legitimate in terms of the draft value chart? I’ve heard that that generally balances out, but I’m not sure how the math worked out for this trade.
Second and separately, was Quinn worth a second round pick? I guess we’ll know after this season. So far it doesn’t look good.
I think in general it doesn’t show that McD was unwise in terms of how he trades draft positions – I think overall he’s far better than average. But I think it shows that they just flat out weren’t up to speed with judging talent for that first draft, and they thought they were. It appears they fixed that problem for this last draft. If anything, I take it as an unfortunate cost of Bowlen switching staffs – I’m not sure we could have really gotten around that, other than just keeping Shanahan on.
Interesting
He’s a blocker and that’s it.
Isn’t the role of the TE in McDaniels’ offense primarily that of a blocker? Witness the use of a TE in the backfield in two back sets during the 2010 preseason.
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@KBRONCO..nice read.
We do have some questions and not many answers. There may be six teams that have more answers than questions in the NFL. We are slowly getting to that level.
IMO:
Much better at QB, WR, DL than last year.
My fingers are crossed on RB, OL, OLB. A lot of potential but they must “show up”.
Also want to add...
And sorry if someone already mentioned it but…
1. Is Moreno snakebit or just unlucky? I’ve said in here before it isn’t his fault he’s injured – and it’s only happened twice but I’d hate to see a potentially productive first round tailback spend most of his time on the bench because he cannot stay healthy. Something to chew on.
2. Can Orton stay healthy, and if not for how long can we depend on our #2? Orton is tough, but he rarely makes it through a year without getting knocked out of action for at least a while. You don’t usually expect your backup QB to have to take over for an extended period but these things do happen, and this is a team that supposedly has playoff aspirations.
I hope that either Tebow or Quinn can get their heads around the playbook not to be a liability if they need to play for an extended time. I don’t see another Chris Simms scenario but I think it is worth tossing around.
Okay…back to work…since theoretically I am at the office…ahem…
You're either a fan or you're not.
This is not directed at you in particular Mastermind, but to football watchers in general
Can we please drop the “Kyle Orton is injury-prone” line?
In the three full seasons (48 games) that he’s played (remember he did not play in 2006, and only 3 games in 2007). Orton has missed a grand total of 2 3/4 games (1 in 2005, 1 in 2008, 1/2 of the Washington game and 1/4 of the San Diego in 2009).
I’m guessing Quinn & Tebow will see little, if any, action in 2010.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Sorry, Mastermind
That is one of my “hot” buttons on Broncos topics.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Brian I get what you're saying
I just don’t think that games missed is a good judge of his injuries, because last year here he would have missed more but we didn’t have anyone who could play instead.
Even given that I wouldn’t say that he’s injury prone, I would say that he’s more affected by injuries than other QBs.
I actually think he's shown tremendous resilience and toughness.
An open dislocation of your index finger forcing you to throw with a glove on?
A high ankle sprain which causes pain and instability?
Another ankle sprain on opposite side?
And you play most of the year anyway?
I don’t think there are too many injuries he wouldn’t make a strong attempt to play through.
Every team has a significant drop off from first to backup QB unless they are both marginal.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
Totally agree with that assesment, Ponderosa
He gutted it out last year, and played pretty dang good, considering. Any injury forces you to subconciously (sp?) overcompensate, and for a QB, that can be very difficult to overcome. He’s a tough guy, not a slacker, and plays through injury, which is very difficult to do.
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by azbroncomaniac on Sep 9, 2010 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
stockpiling draft picks, but using them poorly
Alphonso Smith 2009 2nd, 2010 1st
Tebow 1st rnd selection, plus a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
6 total high draft picks
Say we had Orton, Quinn, Brandstater at QB and 3 or 4 more draft picks in the front 7, we’d be a better team with much more upside. I’m sorry, I’m just not convinced that Tebow will ever be as good as Ryan, Stafford, Bradford, or some the other new QB’s. Hopefully he will be better than Cutler – but he’s got a long way to go. Great article in SI on the time management problems that QB’s have now, and what Tebow will need to learn. I wouldn’t be surprised to see McX make a move on another QB after the season or in the draft.
I’m a long time Broncos fan and want the Broncos to win every game, but I’m really disappointed to see what McX has done with draft picks and it could cost them their jobs. I will be very surprised to see X as GM at draft time.
If we’re honest – WE DON’T KNOW if Tebow will be worth what he cost the Broncos in draft picks.
by Orangeboom on Sep 9, 2010 1:37 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
How many rookies do we have on our 53 man roster right now? I can think of 8. Would we really be better to have another 3 or 4? That is what I don’t get about the argument against using 3 picks on Tebow. Yes, you are giving up a lot of draft picks—but the point of the draft is not to come away with 10+ players. It is to come away with a group of players who will make the team and who will make the team better.
by McJay on Sep 9, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
ok, seriously
You should at least get the counting right. :) For Smith, the 2010 1st became a 2009 2nd. The 2009 2nd didn’t already exist.
And for Tebow, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th became a first. McD essentially traded a 3rd and 4th so he could move his 2nd round pick up to the 1st.
So, that’s 4 total draft picks, not six.
As far as the 2010 draft goes, they took the first round (11th pick) Chicago gave us in Orton deal, the second rounder (43rd) that Miami gave us for Marshall, and our fourth round pick (114th) and turned them into the 22nd pick (Thomas), the 25th pick (Tebow), a 3rd round pick (Decker). This while keeping “our” second and third round picks which were used to draft Beadles and Walton respectively. The actual trade for Tebow’s pick was indeed three picks, but when someone quotes it as “three picks for Tebow” that misses the boat and ignores the net result of the draft.
Basically they moved down in the first round, were still able to select Thomas (who was their target), and in return turned a second rounder into Tebow at 25th and turned a fourth round pick into Decker in the third. Whether you like the actual picks or not (I do), it’s nothing short of brilliant maneuvering.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
To be clear, I’m not trying to argue against you tunesmith, I’m replying in support of your post.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
Pet Peeve
Sorry, but that strikes a pet peeve of mine.
Football teams move up and down in the draft all the time. A first is not worth the same as third of a fifth. If you trade down you get several picks, if you trade up you need to provide several picks. When people argue about how MANY picks were used to get Tebow well…duh! A 1st is worth several picks.
Picks are like money. It’s as if you wanted to go buy a Tebow sundae and you didn’t have a dollar bill, so you trade in four quarters to get the dollar. Big deal, except for those caught up on numbers who go “you gave up FOUR COINS for that sundae, what a waste!”
Guess what, it works both ways…Demarius Thomas’s 1st was worth several picks in later rounds. We gave up the opportunity to make several lower picks by keeping the 1st and using it on DT. Same difference.
I’m not ranting on Orangeboom, I’m ranting on the all-too-common complaint. :-)
Arguments about whether a player was worth a first or if too much of a premium was paid for the privilege of moving up are perfectly legitimate arguments.
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood..."
Enjoyed your post, KB . . .
When it comes to press coverage, the slot is where it might be the most beneficial to Fast Eddie. At the outside slots, the receiver’s release is more straight forward, now the field, then they make whatever break they will. Out of the slot, the receiver often takes off at an angle because of the many crossing routes he runs. So it may be harder to jam him there.
Regarding the expectations of Tebow’s playing, did you see Kyle’s somewhat subtle facial expression when he was asked about it in yesterday’s presser (I think it was yesterday, or the day before)? It was like, “what are you talking about?” I may be wrong, but I don’t think we’ll see Tebow on the field nearly as much as many think we will.
I truly hope, as do all of us, that Kyle continues the blistering pace he set in preseason. Even with Ball’s tipped INT, Kyle’s QBR was 95.4. Had Ball caught that pass as he should, or it at least had fallen harmlessly to the ground, Kyle’s QBR would have been about 102. I don’t think he’s kidding about a breakout year.
Thanks again, KB. Duly rec’d . . .
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
When we look at the possibility of a late season slide for the year
I think it’s good to keep in mind what caused it last year. Last year we got exposed in the Baltimore game people relized we were weak in the middle of both lines and they used that. I think this year on the O-line with the youth that we have they will gell and come together and get better as the season goes on, barring injury.
The D-line however still has me a little worried it may get run down, or maybe they will be good enough to get off the field and maintain for the year.
Lets Just Play
No offense to kentukybronco but I am tired of all of this speculation, optimism, pessimism, this draft pick, that free agent, the weather blah blah blah. I can’t wait to get the season started!!! Let’s Go!! The season opener is tonight and I don’t care who is playing, I am just psyched!! I am tired of reading about the Broncos, I want to see the Broncos. The anticipation is killing me!!
I...drink...your...milkshake. I drink it up!
Totally agee
What a waste of time to argue about draft picks and to speculate whether the Broncos will go 7-9 or 9-7. It’s all a guess. I’m with you ClaysDad, it’s all about what happens on the field. Against Jacksonville, we should get some idea of exactly what this team is capable of this season. After the game, okay, let’s talk about performance of the Oline, the Dline, etc., etc. The bottom line on McD is that the Dline looks stronger and deeper than last year, the Oline is definitely (when well) is bigger and deeper, the qb looks better, the WR corps is deep with quality receivers, special teams look good, and we have one of the best dbacks in the NFL. Yeah, no Doom hurts, but the talent is there, it just needs to step up. So, let’s get started!
A 17 week season is like a rose bud beginning to unfold it's petals...
You really don’t know what it will look until it fully blooms…Let’s just hope it doesn’t wilt too soon tis year…
My two questions going into the game… (just looking at this game)
Will MJD run all over us?
Will Orton keep up his strong play from the preseason?
These are my main concerns heading into Week 1. My guess is yes / yes.
I look to Bailey to shut down Sims-Walker, but we still need to pressure Garrard. MJD is a big concern for me. In his two games against Denver, he’s averaged slighty over 100 rush / receiving yards with 2 TDs. I can’t help but think about our run D and also how we tend to give a big plays on screen passes (i.e. Sproles).
As for our offense: Yes, we have a lot of young talent that we are asking to step up. No, I don’t think we are as deep at WR as suggested. We still have two rookies yet to play a regular season game and Brandon Lloyd being our #1 is not my idea of being solid at WR. They will succeed in this system, not because they are receiving gods.
We finally get to see our starting O-line together. I’m glad we got to play Pittsburgh, Minnesota, and Detroit’s improved D-line in preseason. It gave our guys solid competition going into the season opener.
If we play smart – limiting turnovers and penalties – and contain MJD from having a big game, then we win if Orton plays as well as he has this preseason. Oh, and no Quintin Griffin fumbles in FG position!!!! (still bitter) We should not lose to this team.
My guess is Buck and Gaffney will have good games.
"On the Plains of Hesitation bleach the bones of countless millions, who, at the Dawn of Victory, sat down to wait, and waiting--died!" - George W. Cecil
If Drew-Jones stutters in the run I'm sure Garrard will hit him in the passing game...
Great teams make great adjustments…Losers don’t and that’s goes for both sides of the ball (offense and defense).

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