Introduction To The 2011 Draft: Nose Tackles
Confession time.
Do you guys remember about 2 months ago a post entitled: Introduction To The 2011 Draft: The Top 10?
It was posted by a guy named JoeBlowBronco
Yup, that was me. I was stupid and got my name Nick Cast banned. So I made a new account and posted on that one.
Little did I know that Guru can tell if you make a new name anyway so it doesn't really matter. Moral of the story: Once your banned, your banned for good. So don't be stupid like me and get banned lol.
Anyway, after taking a poll, the people haves wished for an introduction to the nose tackles available in the draft. The common perception is that there aren't many good nose tackles available this year. I disagree. There are a couple of guys who could be nice NT's in the pros. Here are the guys to look out for.
Stephen Paea, Oregon State
Scouting Report:
Paea stands at 6 ft 1, 311 pounds. Now, I know what your thinking: 6 ft 1? That is too small to play Nose Tackle. Let me stop you right there. One of the best nose tackles in the NFL is Casey Hampton and he is 6 ft 1, 325 pounds.
Pros:
Paea is simply a beast. He is one of the strongest players in college football. He could break the bench press record at the combine. He is excellent at eating blockers. He often times takes on double and even triple teams. Sometimes that's not even enough to stop him. I watched him tear apart my USC Trojans. The guys has a non stop motor. He has arguably the best bull rush in college and nice a nice burst. He finished the year with 45 tackles, and 6 sacks this year. His stats may not be jaw dropping, but he has been a master at collapsing the pocket
Cons:
His height and arm length are a concern. Sometimes he has trouble getting around blockers. Also, Paea does not look like he weighs 311. Lastly, 3-4 Nose might not be his best decision. Wes Bunting (one of the best draft experts on the web) believes Paea should play 4-3 DT in the pros where he can use his burst and punch to get to the QB.
Bronco Rating: 5/10
I really like Paea a lot. He is one of the most disruptive DT's in college football. He is strong, tough, and a guy who gives you 100% percent. However, he currently is a 1-2 round prospect which means our best hope at getting him would be our early 2nd rounder if he falls. I am intrigued by Paea but he is not a pure nose and he is going to be a high draft pick. Not the best circumstances.
Stephen Paea #54 vs Oregon Ducks (2010)
Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss
Scouting Report
My bet is that one of the only nose tackle prospects that most people have heard of is Jerrell Powe. This has caused him to be way overhyped. Powe had a really bad year and his stock has definitely dropped.
Pros:
Shown Great bulk at 6 ft 2, 340 lbs. He is a very difficult person to move. One of the "true" nose tackle prospects in this draft. He has great use of his hands and surprisingly good athleticism considering his size. He is strong and eats up blockers very well. In his junior year, he had 25 solo tackles which is a lot for a man of his size.
Cons:
The guy is not very bright. He was academically ineligible until 2008. He will be 24 by the time he is drafted. He lost weight this year to be a better pass rusher, but he lost some of his power in the process. If we draft him to play a nose, he will have to put the weight back on. He is inconsistent in game and has technique issues. He had a rough year in which he only had 27 tackles and 3 sacks. He also looks tired more often then you would like.
Bronco Rating: 2/10
I don't like Powe at all. He lost weight, isn't bright, and will be 24 when drafted. He's also a 2nd round prospect. He could turn out to be a good pro, but it is by no means a sure thing. There isn't a ton of upside with him. I wouldn't take him before round 3 and even then I would look somewhere else.
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Kendrick Ellis, Hampton
Scouting Report
Ellis is a big boy from a small school. He is one of the few prospects that I have not gotten to watch this year. So the scouting report is from CBS.com.
Pros:
Great size at 6 ft 5, 340 pounds. Shows good quickness. Long arms and big hands. Looks like a run-stuffer and can play that part but surprises with his agility and foot quickness. Excellent upper-body build and girth for great strength off the snap to unload in his man's numbers. Not just a mammoth run-stopper, he lines up at the one- and three-technique positions to be explosive as a pass rusher. Anchors against double teams, not moved backward easily. Rips off single blocks with strong hands and downward motion. Swallows running backs in the hole with great mass and length. Pure size and strength make him an explosive tackler that ballcarriers don't want to feel hit them.
Cons:
Has not played against equal competition. Dismissed from South Carolina for multiple rules violations is a major red flag. He might be best suited as a 4-3 3 technique then a 3-4 nose.
Bronco Rating: 6/10
I have not gotten to see him, but based on everything I have read, he could be a player we need to get. I am very wary of his dismissal from South Carolina and his years of playing against inferior competition. However, there have been no other red flags and he has absolutely dominated in his division. He is a 3rd round prospect right now. A lot depends on his combine and pro day, but he is a top 3 nose in this draft.
Phil Taylor, Baylor
Scouting Report
Taylor has been labeled a "boom or bust" prospect and it's not hard to see why. His junior year was pretty bad, but he had a very nice senior year. He has great size, but he has consistently had trouble getting his weight under control ala Terrence Mount Cody.
Pros:
6 ft 4, 340 pounds. He is massive in every sense of the word. He had 62 tackles in his senior year including 35 solo. That is a lot for a man of his size. He has a initial burst and has nice athleticism considering his size. He is very good at taking on double teams. Collapses the pocket pretty well.
Cons:
Weight is a huge problem for this guy. He could be the next Terrence Cody and show up at the combine at 380+. He is inconsistent. At times he will take on double teams and still get the tackle. Other times, he is pushed back by just one guy. He is raw. Technique is going to be fixed.
Bronco Rating: 6/10
Normally, I am not a big fan of players who can't keep their weight under control, but Taylor could be the best NT in the entire draft. He has the potential to be a NT in the league for a long time. He is a 3rd-4th round prospect. He shouldn't be picked in the 2nd despite what several sites are saying.
Sione Fua, Stanford
Scouting Report
For all those who have asked me who is my favorite Nose in this draft, here he is. Meet Sione Fua. He is everything I want in a Nose and he won't be that expensive.
Pros
3-4 experience. He spent his senior year at 3-4 nose at Stanford. He is 6 ft 2, 309 pounds, but he has the frame to put on more weight. He is a very strong, explosive player. He is arguably Stanford's best defensive player. He had 23 tackles this year, 13 solo, 6 tackles for loss and 5 sacks. He is a run stuffer and been a force inside.
Cons
Not the ideal size/weight. Doesn't have great stats. 23 tackles in both his junior and senior years. Technique needs refining. Hand placement and pad level needs work.
Bronco Rating: 7/10
He is my favorite nose and here is why: He has experience playing nose in a 3-4, he doesn't have weight/work ethic issues, and he can be had for a 3rd and maybe a 4th. He is everything I look for in a nose and a hard worker too. Perfect scenario. Sione is my favorite prospect in round 3. When you watch the video, notice how often he gets doubled team. When he gets 1 v 1, he typically wins.
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Ian Williams, Notre Dame
Scouting Report
Williams is one of the lesser known nose tackle prospects in college football. This is largely because he tore his MCL this year and missed the last 4 games of his senior year. He isn't as good as the other prospects, but he has potential.
Pros
Stands at 6 ft 2 and 305 pounds. He has a lot of experience in the 3-4. His freshman, sophomore, and senior years were spent in the 3-4. In his senior year, he had 38 tackles, 17 solo and 2 sacks. He is pretty quick for his size. He is at his best as a run defender. He takes on double teams so his teammates can make the plays. Pretty good at shedding blocks and a good tackler.
Cons
He doesn't have the ideal frame. He likely won't be able to put on much more weight without losing his quickness. Also, there are some questions about how strong he is and how he will do against stronger offensive NFL lineman. Due to his questionable strength, there is some who wonder if he nose tackle is his best position. He is not a good pass rusher.
Bronco Rating: 5/10
He doesn't have the upside of Phil Taylor or Kendrick Ellis, but he is a big guy who has experience in the 3-4. If his strength checks out, he can be a steal as he is currently projected to be a 5th round draft pick.
Anthony Gray, Southern Miss
Scouting Report
Gray isn't as well known as the other nose tackles because the college he attends and the lack of talent next to him. However, he is a big guy who could be a potential nose.
Pros
6 ft 320 pounds. He is constantly drawing double teams. He has a surprisingly high number of sacks over his career with 10. He totaled 44 tackles, 16 solo, and 2 sacks in his senior year. He is a pretty good tackler. He has a good number of QB pressures.
Cons
Played in a weak conference. He doesn't have the height you want. His strength is untested so his potential as a nose is questionable. His stats aren't that great.
Bronco Rating: 4/10
He is a guy who is untested and has questions about his physical abilities. However, he has some potential. He isn't overly impressive, but he is a 5-7 prospect and could be a steal if he is able to bulk up and has better strength then advertised.
Saia Falahola, Arizona State
Scouting Report
He is pretty unknown. I haven't heard of him until recently. From what I could find, here is what i learned.
Pros
6 ft 1, 300 pounds. He is hard worker and a former offensive lineman. He has taken on a lot of double teams at Arizona State. He has 46 tackles and 30 solo in his career. He has lost 25 pounds since starting at ASU so he can put more weight back on. Good run defender.
Cons
Unimpressive stats. Just 13 tackles in his senior year. Might not have the strength to hold up in the NFL. Not a lot of experience after originally being an offensive lineman. Played for a bad ASU team.
Bronco Rating: 2/10
He is an unknown player who might not have the skills to play the nose. He hasn't made a big impact and looks to be a reserve at best. He is a 7th round pick.
Conclusion
There are more nose prospects then people realize. There are a few players who could be starting NT in the NFL and there are players who could be backups. My NT rankings are based on talent, round prediction and potential.
NT Rankings
1. Sione Fua
2. Phil Taylor
3. Kendrick Ellis
4. Stephen Paea
5. Ian Williams
6. Anthony Gray
7, Jerrell Powe
8. Saia Falahola
There you have your 2011 potential Nose Tackles. As I've said before, Sione Fua is my favorite prospect, but not by a whole lot. Phil Taylor is a VERY attractive prospect, but he could easily be a bust which makes me nervous. Ellis is an interesting prospect who I look forward to watching in the draft process, but playing for a division 2 school is going to make his learning curve really high.
We have now covered the top 10 prospects and nose tackles. What position do you guys want a preview of next? 3-4 DE? 4-3 DE? 4-3 DT? 4-3 MLB? 4-3 OLB? 3-4 MLB? 3-4 OLB? CB? S? Offense perhaps? Let me know in the comments.
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Nice Post....
I have seen Sione Fua play many times and have never noticed anything extraordinary. For my money, I would want Phil Taylor or Kendrick Ellis. I only saw Kendrick Ellis play one game this year and he absolutely dominated. Like you said, hard to judge him though because of inferior competition.
I’m not ruling out Fua, I just don’t know if I would put him #1 on my list. Thanks for some of those other names, nice work.
Thanks swg
I am very intrigued by Kendrick Ellis. Everything I have read has been very positive, but that could easily be because of his weaker competition. I hope he gets invited to the Senor Bowl.
I like Phil Taylor. He could be a real force, but he could also be a big bust. Lots of risk with him.
Fua might not have the physical assets of the others but he is the “safe bet” IMO. He is big, strong and has 3-4 experience in the Nose. If he put on some more weight, he could really shoot up boards.
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pretty rare an NT blows you away unless you're watching only him.
None of these guys warrant an early pick imo (as much as we need one) so i like the your idea of the Stanford guy/ Plus he beat USC what? twice? Gotta love that!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 11, 2011 6:56 AM MST up reply actions
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You don’t have to notice exceptional play from Fua, to realize he’s doing a stand up job. Just look at everyone else shining around him (like Owen Marecic) to see his real worth. Fua has that unglorious role (here’s lookin at you Haynesworth) of multiple blocker occupier, that lets everyone esle around him wreak havoc.
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3-4 DE
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Jan 11, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
CB since we don't know what scheme we'll be running for another 1-2 weeks
by black_knight101 on Jan 11, 2011 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
Safety. Maybe with and without Champ switch flavor... so safety corner.
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I understand the want and need to look at D players, However would like to see a break down of TEs Obviously Kyle Ruldoph is the favorite, but we should go Defense, Defense, Defense, and I dont think he will be there in the 3rd. If not TE then CB
Nice job Joe Blow...
I like Ellis and Paia.
Can we do safetys or DB’s left.
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Good write up. As always and welcome back. I was pissed that you got banned since you are MHR.
I’d like to draft Fairley (he is nasty, unblockable and nothing like any player on Denver’s current roster), make Ayers a DE and kill the 3-4. We had the worst D in the NFL in 2010. Enough said. The 3-4 isn’t working here.
The 3-4 does not work for Ayers or DJ, it’s not great for anyone but Elvis. I seem to remember Elvis having his most success as a pass rusher with his hand on the ground. He can do that in a 4-3 too. He also had a lot of sacks as a 4-3 DE. Elvis is a top shelf pass rusher with his hand in the dirt. So I don’t think it really matters if he plays in a 3-4 or 4-3. He sucks at run D and can’t cover TEs. Just make sure he is in on all passing downs and running after a QB.
None of our other defenders are worth building a D around so I don’t care how Jamal Williams, Vickerson, Thomas, Haggan, Woodyard, etc fit into a 4-3 or 3-4. If they are football players, they’ll make it happen on the field regardless of how we line up. If not, we can replace them in the 2011 draft and UFA when the new coaches come in.
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Ayers and Doom would make a solid DE tandem. Vickerson played 44-3 DT with the titans, and Bannan can also play DT in a 4-3. Add in Fairley and we may actually have a solid if unspectacular D-line.
I agree that we should run the 4-3
but we can still be creative with what we do with Elvis. We can move him farther outside, let him stand up, do whatever he needs to recreate the success he had last year. I don’t think Elvis’s success was 3-4 specific, just that he was allowed a lot more freedom and playing time than before and he really took advantage of it.
I wouldn’t be completely opposed to the 3-4, but until we have a stud NT we’re not going to have the personnel to run it.
by black_knight101 on Jan 11, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny you didn't put Bannan on your list?
I agree to a point except Vickerson…I would give him a chance with a drafted talent and maybe a FA…The rest may have to fight for their position or sell used cars. That’s why I want a defensive minded HC…This needs to change now! If Fox is the man then McCoy may stay and develop TT…Just saying.
No more McCoy. I am so very hopeful we fire every coach from the 2010 staff that was piss poor.
I have no problem with Bannon or Vickerson. But neither is a guy you plan around. Whatever D you run, those kinds of guys better adapt.
Bannon and Vickerson are the kind of players that can be impactful if you place them next to great players. If you place them next to the Jason Hunter’s of the world, the Bannon’s and Vickerson’s are just below average starters on a bad NFL D.
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I’m very much open to the 4-3.
Ayers and Doom could make the transition to the 4-3. So could DJ and Bannan. But that leaves 1 DT and 2 LB spots left to fill. That doesn’t even count CB or S
My biggest fear is that Doom gets reinjured. I just hope he heals up 100% and stays that way. I agree that he is best with his hand on the ground. He should have little problem moving back to the 4-3.
I would not be surprised if we have another 60% roster turnover.
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Thanks for taking time to do what so many of us are too lazy to do Nick !
Great assessment..I’m with wes Bunting on Paea, he needs to be in a 4-3 where he can utilize his burst. I would love to see Fairley with the 1st pick and Paea with the 2nd. Change to a 4-3 and we’re set in the middle of our D for 8 years.
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I would personally like to get Kendrick Ellis. There are many guys from lesser conferences in the NFL that start and do well. With an NT though we would need a decent experienced FA to hold the line while he gets adjusted though.
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I think Paea COULD play Nose, but he might be best in the 4-3. He is a beast.
Fairley and Paea + a move to the 4-3 would be fantastic. Too good to be true.
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Switching to the 4-3 is getting more and more attractive.
Nick Fairley and Stephen Paea – the Broncos would be set on the interior line….I don’t know, that is a very, very attractive option if I were the Broncos Front Office – especially given the complete lack of stud talent at the NT position in this years draft.
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This is an idea I like a lot. May the draft gods let us get so lucky. Xanders… Don’t be stupid.
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Xanders is probably too busty watching WR from Idaho State
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Xanders is too busy trying to tell everyone how he wanted to draft Clay Mathews instead of Ayers.
Of course Xanders was the GM during the 2009 draft so maybe he should have DONE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
Xanders is such a jackass IMO. And a convenient liar.
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Yeah convenient huh?
Xanders wanted Clay instead of Ayers
and
He didn’t want to trade Hillis
What’s next? He wanted to keep Cutler and was bestfriends with Brandon Marshall?
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we don't know, either way, if this is the truth or not
Being a Bronco fan (and blindly at times), I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Do you guys know where the link is to Xanders saying this?
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 12, 2011 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
Fairly & Paea are my 2 "have to" gets!
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Great work nick really appreciate the work .I’m still high on Paea but if he was to be gone when we select at 36 I would take a shot at Ellis later in the draft . I would not trade up to get Paea we have to acquire picks can not afford to use additional picks to move up . There is no way that I would take Phil Taylor in the 2nd round . I have seen him play a lot of their games this year he was very good against the bottom teams in the big 12 but seemed to disappear against the top teams in the conference I believe he would be a bust in the 2nd round. I would like them to stay with the 3-4 thats what the orange crush was. we need a defensive cord. like Joe Collier those were the glory days of defense in Denver . I’d like to see inside linebackers next again thanks for the good work.
Nice job, man!
I definitely like Phil Taylor as the best NT in this draft, but I wouldn’t hesitate to take Fua in the late third or fourth round and give him a shot. He’s a gamer.
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I think Taylor has the most potential, but also the most risk. We’ll see how he does at the combine and pro days.
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Great work Nick.
This is gold. I’ve thought DT was our most important need for years now. Question: Why no Fairley? Is he not projecting as a DT?
How about LB’s or DE’s.
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Fairley isn’t a nose tackle prospect.
He would play a 3-4 DE.
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Nice job
Thanks! It is looking like we should be trading the #2 overall pick if we stay in the 3-4 to me. I just don’t like projecting DT’s in college to 5 technique DE’s in a 3-4 but that’s just my opinion. With that thought in mind and needing to rebuild the front 7 on defense it seems there isn’t anyone of value at the #2 overall pick for the Denver Broncos. Trade back and get more picks if we stay in the 3-4 and maybe get one or two of these guys in the middle rounds.
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I think you make a valid point.
If we stay 3-4, we might be best trading down and trying to target Dareus, Cam Jordan, or Von Miller. Those are the best 3-4 prospects in the draft.
I think we are going to HAVE to get more draft picks by either trading players or trading down.
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Great Post Nick
I say Fairley at #2 no matter what (well as long as he is there) and Paea if avaiable at our #2 pick. We would be set and I would go nuts!! I say LB’s or Safeties next.
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A lot can happen over the next few months. Paea in the early 2nd could be a legit option. I surely hope so.
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Great post. I am very concerned about the 300-320 lb prospects. Against NFL competition, that is just too small to go up against double teams every play without getting worn out by the 4th Q. Maybe they can add weight and still be able to keep that level of play. And maybe not. That’s a risk. I prefer the man-mountains. The immovable objects. All of whom are gonna have questions about their work ethic or their slow 40-time or their weight problem.
Powe is the only standout in this class IMO. His draft stock has dropped this year because he is playing a 4-3 DT not a zero-tech or 3-4 NT. That is meaningless imo. He will be drafted in the second round — if not by us then by Pittsburgh, Washington, Jets, or KC — all of whom are looking to age-replace a NT.
I’m not sure any of the others are worth a rd 3 pick given the last of picks we have this year. There are quite a few man mountains apart from Powe/Ellis/Taylor/Gray. Mostly from small schools. Harold Ayodele, Terry Griffin, Xavier Stewart, Ramsey Feagai, etc. Most of whom will be undrafted. Invite a lot of them to camp — along with the perpetual on-the-bubble 1-year-contract nose tackles who go from team-to-team. And put the two best on our roster to backup Williams and see which can learn the job at the NFL level the best.
And release Ronnie Fields. We’ve seen what he is. A backup. Not worth the contract.
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There is definitely some questions about the prospects who weigh 300-320. I want to see their strength results at the combine.
Powe has played out of position this year and he has not looked the same. He is going to have to put on the weight, but my biggest problem with him is that he is 24 and will go in the 2nd. It’s too high for a player with not that much upside IMO.
Release Ronald Fields and Ryan McBean. We need to stop taking other teams crappy players and passing them off as starters.
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Nice post!
With Houston going to the 3-4 and KC still needing a NT, there will be a lot of competition for these guys.
It's a good thing we pick a lot higher then them.
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Maybe.
Depends on HC.
Every coach we have interviewed so far runs primarily a 4-3 though….just sayin.
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Unless it's one of the offensive HC's
and we can keep the D intact. We could possibly snag Mike Singletary as our DC, since it seems like nobody is calling him. Wink could go back to coaching our Linebackers in this scenario.
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 12, 2011 11:52 PM MST up reply actions
Nick,
I believe your selling Powe short,
Powe is one of the few nose tackles on your list who have a work ethic. This year HIS coaches asked him to drop weight to play the three technique instead of the one technique where he was dominant. It backfired.
Kendrick Ellis and Phil Taylor should be 4 ranks higher than Powe. Ellis has never had steady production, and Taylor had his first year of being consistently inconsistent. Powe has Wilfork like upside, and Powe/Ellis happen to be very large. Size doesnt equal upside.
Now on to your knock on smarts, point to any one of those players besides Fua who is smart. There nosetackles, they are not going to be the brightest bulbs.
Just my two cents.
by Jake Edmisten on Jan 11, 2011 12:20 PM MST via mobile reply actions
My main problems with Powe
is that he is going to be 24 and he is going to go in the 2nd. He had a good junior year, but he struggled this year due to the change. Ellis, Taylor, and Fua have more upside IMO and they can be had in the 3rd.
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The guy above me said but it is rarely said about Powe so i'll say it again
Powe has been forced to play out of position all year. He is not a 3-tech DT which is what he’s being asked to do. When playing 1-tech he has been solid.
That being said, THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING FUA. This guy is almost a carbon copy of Paea but can be had in the 3rd. He might not be as dominant but anyone who thinks we should trade up for Paea needs to seriously look at Fua before coming to that conclusion.
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I didn't know that about Powe
So, he could possibly man the nose. Fua is one of my boys, and I’ve been putting him in my mocks for a while now. Put about 10 pounds on that guy, and he looks like a NT. Regardless of his measurables, he plays like a Nose Guard, taking on multiple blockers and letting guys like Marecic shine.
As far as Paea’s height, Casey Hampton is a good comparison, but so is Vince Wilfork, at 6-2 (583 lbs.). We should all know by now that sometimes those shorter guys (like our very own Elvis Dumervil) use that lack of height to their advantage. It’s all about leverage, and if you are as powerful as Paea + can get up under a guys pad level – he’s freakin putty in your hand, do whatever you want with him. IMHO, 6-1, 6-2 guys, are ideal for the NT position. Another thing that I love about Paea/Fua (other than the fact they are Samoan/Tongan warriors) is their big, bulky, strong as an ox base (gluteus maximus). Does that make me weird, liking a big butt on my NT’s?
I like big butts and I cannot lie. All the other lineman can’t deny. When Wilfork’s in your face, and his buttocks muscles clench in rage, you get thrown – to the ground!!!! Sorry, I know I’m a ree-ree at times.
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haha, i like it
We’re football fans we don’t need to be smart. Just cheer when something good happens and boo when it something doesn’t work. It’s a tough job lol.
I love Fua. I’ve been lobbying long and hard for him and trying to bring this guy some attention.
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by AlbertaBronc on Jan 12, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Read my response above for my thoughts on Powe
I love Fua. He is tough and unappreciated. I hope he comes here. I really do.
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Powe is still not my number one choice.
I was just bringing to light something that is often missed about him.
If i was in charge of the draft, my goal would be to take Fua with our 3rd. Hopefully Elway being from Stanford won’t overlook the guy and take him. He’s seen him play in person so who knows.
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by AlbertaBronc on Jan 12, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
Great breakdown at this position
I have to agree Fua looks like the cream of the crop this year especially with where he’s projected to go. I could see him getting into the 2nd round with a good combine(which I’m sure he’ll have especially at the bench press). One thing though, with the coaching situation up in the air you guys may not even need a NT anymore. Who knows what defense the new coach will want to use and I think with your personel it isn’t a lock that 3-4 will be used anymore in Denver especially if Fox or Olsen come to town.
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Thanks GenericBrand
Fua could certainly move up to the 2nd with a good combine. If that were the case, I might be okay with using our late 2nd on Fua.
If we switch to a 4-3 then I would like to target someone like Drake Nevis. You’ll see my 4-3 DT guys in a later post :)
I am hoping out that your Chiefs don’t pick up a NT, but I imagine the coaches know it is a position of need.
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Thanks for putting this together
I’m not sure I see the same things in Fua that I do in Paea. Fua was getting dominated in that Oregon game whereas the Oregon OL was having a very tough time with Paea. He may be smaller but he appeared stronger, quicker, and more athletic than Fua, plus he had leverage on every play that I saw. To have that much strength and athletic ability on the DL makes him a blue chip prospect. I almost would rather have him as a DE instead of an interior lineman, although his arm length would probably be an issue in the NFL. Either way, I wouldn’t mind trading down a few picks to get a later first round pick to get this Paea guy, especially if Carolina takes Bowers off the board. I don’t want Fairley as a Bronco, the dude is a punk…
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jan 11, 2011 1:08 PM MST reply actions
Thanks Manbearpig. It was my pleasure.
One of the things I noticed in Fua’s tape was that he got chipped a lot. When he had just 1 v 1, he dominated the guy.
I certainly would be nervous taking Fairley. His attitude does scare me.
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Hey Nick!
Banned?
I voted Ellis, but really vote Ellis, Fua or Taylor with our 3rd. Paea would be great to have if he should happen to drop to #36.
What's up Digger!
Yeah, banned lol
I would be thrilled to get Paea with our high 2nd.
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Much appreciated.
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Here's a question for you all
What do you think of Phil Taylor’s troubled past? Does that affect your opinion of him at all?
For those who don’t know, he got kicked off Penn State prior to the 2008 season for fighting (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2008/02/11/two_players_suspended.aspx). I’m not sure whether or not the suspension was warranted, but that’s not up to me to decide. At the time, Penn State’s players were getting into a lot of legal trouble, so his actions may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back
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Who knew Nolan picked him up in Miami?
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that's really weird
Two NT’s, kicked off of Penn States squad for trouble, then picked up by little Hampton – that doesn’t happen very often. What is it with Hampton? I bet they just there and salivate at the opportunity to jump on ex-Penn State Nose Guards. Whatever works, I guess.
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Eh
Who knows. No problems since. I would take the chance with the 3rd.
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Let me ask you a question Nick
If you get banned, you get banned permanently, how did you come back into the MHR fold? My guess is Bena is a merciful Lord.
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Yes
Bena is Very merciful.
He posted an article awhile back saying he would unban people who were recently banned.
I’m thankful for my second chance and will definitely not be screwing it up. And by screwing it up I mean not participating in the game threads much lol
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Those are the ones that get me as well
I’ts a wonder I wasn’t right there with you my friend.
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