Bronco Fans Please Keep This in Mind
by mjlarson2 on Jan 11, 2011 5:18 PM MST
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PrintI know every Bronco Fan knows that our Defense is just Terrible, and I understand the need to want to get to the QB, and even better I agree we need to do it through the Draft.
All we have been doing for the last Decade or so is trying to bring in Free Agents or draft D-Line man in the latter rounds. Beside Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder in 2007 and everyone knows how that went.
So a majority of Bronoco fans are scared and say get Fairley or Bowers. NOW 2nd pick overall. I disagree we get should get Peterson at 2nd. Who is a 2 for 1, meaning he plays CB and FS, and is most likely the best in the draft at both postions.
We can draft a DT/DE with 2 of our next 3 picks if we wanted. Which are 2 picks in the second round and one in the 3rd. We dont have to use first round on DT. The CB value starts falling off alot more then the DT, in the mid 2nd and early 3rd rounds. Out of a recent (and I know its only so many votes) poll over 90% of you fellow Bronco Fans believe that out of Peterson, Fairley, and Bowers, one of the D-line Man has a better chance to be a bust. http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/1/11/1929524/quick-poll That means more of us believe Peterson is a safe Pick. So we better have the safe pick at 2nd overall and take a chance on a D-line in the 2nd and/or 3rd.
NOW THE PART TO KEEP IN MIND!
The Broncos havent drafted a DT in the first 2 rounds since 1997 (Trevor Price) and that was at 28 overall.
Even worse the Broncos havn't drafted a DT in the first 3 rounds of the Draft since 2002, (Dorsett Davis) and that was almost the 4th round with the 96th overall.
So all im saying is when, another Bronco nut, says we should get Peterson, and an and othe indvidual says, "Peterson can't do anything if we don't get pressure on the QB, look we had Bailey and we havn't done anything, keep in mind its because we havn't drafted any soild DT/DE in so long. So with our picks this year we can Get the best DB/FS Peterson, and 2 solid D-lineman to put pressure on QB in 2nd and/or 3rd
Thanks for reading, hope you understand/enjoy my opinion!
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In my mind it still comes back to elite defenses. There have been a number of them with average corners. There has never been one with an average front 7.
I’ll be excited if Peterson becomes a Bronco, but he’s about 5th on my board right now.
Thanks for understanding
However who do you have at 4, assuming you have Dareus at 3.
Fairley would top the board...
Then, depending on whether we go 4-3 or 3-4 I’d put Dareus, Bowers and Quinn all ahead of Peterson at the moment.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
Overall
saying we can help build a front 7 thourght the Draft in Rounds 2-and 3, being we havn’t drafted a DT in so long. Just bring in FA and draft them in the latter rounds
The point, I think....
…..is to get an ELITE DT or D End. Those won’t be found in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I too am in the boat of “get the best D lineman available”.
Personally
I wouldn’t mind between Peterson and Fairley at 2nd overall
However are WHOLE D is in bad shape, and think we have better chances of geeting and Elite CB/FS and DT, through 2 picks if we drafted peterson first then Dline in 2nd and/or 3rd. Rather then getting Elite Dline and decent CB decent FS through 3 picks rather one
Look at the best defenses in the league in the past decade...
The Bears, Steelers, Eagles, Ravens, etc. They were all built from the INSIDE out. The Ravens will be looking for secondary help, as will the Saints, Steelers and maybe the Jets. They have that luxury. We don’t.
by frontier on Jan 11, 2011 5:56 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Fine.
HERE are the Steelers/Ravens (both 3-4):
Linebackers — Ray Lewis, James Harrison, LaMarr Woodley, Terrel Suggs, etc
Nose Tackles — Casey Hampton, Haloti Nagata
Defensive Ends — Brett Keisel, Ziggy Hood, Cory Redding, Paul Kruger
Now which positions are worth a #2 draft pick??
??? What do you mean.
They drafted these guys instead of a shutdown corner with their high picks. You are suggesting we do the opposite?
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
I separated these into three different positions because they show what good 3-4 defenses are gonna pick with a #2 pick if they have one.
They might pick a linebacker. Know any linebackers who are worth a #2 this year?
They might pick a nose tackle. Know any 350 lb nose tackles who are worth a #2 this year?
They ain’t gonna pick a DE with a #2.
You don't think Fairley or Dareus could play DE in a 3-4?
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
There is a reason Tom Brady shreds these teams, (I know he shreds everyone) but look at what teams give him most trouble and its the ones with shutdown CB,
Why does everyone forgot about Dumerville like we have NO pass rush at all, last I checked he led the league in sacks, but a 2nd round DT there and a shut down CB we will be solid.
He didn't have a problem against Revis and the Jets in their last game.
Which teams are you referring to that he had problems against this year? Detroit? Cleveland?
Who are their elite shut down corners?
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions
Ravens, Steelers, Eagles,
Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Brian Dawkins (early part of decade).
Yeah, those guys didn’t pay DB’s, they did it all up front. Ugh this argument is starting to get old.
The Jets are a pretty good defense…
by TennesseeBronco on Jan 12, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Why not Prince instead?
1) If we don’t re-sign Champ, we need a true shutdown cover corner. Prince is more of a classic corner, more hip flexibility than Peterson.
2) If we do re-sign Champ, I like Champ at safety more than Peterson, and Prince can still be corner when Champ switches over, which doesn’t have to be immediately.
Prince also doesn't have the top end speed that Peterson does. If they are rated the same I'd rather take the faster guy.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:27 PM MST up reply actions
If we traded
back and got another pick then, picked up Prince id be happy, but not able to get a top notch d-line and hope prince falls
Peterson can only play one position on the field at a time so it doesn't matter if he would be good at both.
If he moves to safety we become thin at CB. If he stays at CB then we are thin without his services at S. I understand that he is versatile but just because he can play 2 positions doesn’t mean he will.
Fairley can also play 2 positions. He can play DT and DE. He was all over the line in the BCS title game and dominated. Your argument works just as well for him. Getting to the passer must be our priority. If we can’t fix this then an elite CB won’t mean much. That is just fact. Giving examples of one great player in rd 1 and another in a later round doesn’t mean we will be as successful taking a D-lineman in the later rounds as we would in the 1st.
I would love to have Peterson and I won’t be sad if we take him. I think though that our 1st 2 out of the 3 picks must go to the D-line if the talent is available.
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Playing two positions means being able to rest Bailey/Goodman/Dawkins/Hill — ie fewer miles runs by them per game. That makes a big difference in the 4th Q.
Fairley only plays one position. On a 4-3 TEAM, he plays DT. On a 3-4 TEAM, he can probably play DE. But unless the team he plays on switches between 4-3 and 3-4 during the game, the effect is not “playing two positions”. And if the Broncos are having trouble playing a 3-4; I’m not sure how wise it is to pretend we can play both.
So is he depth then? Why would we need him to rest those guys if he is a starter. If he has the elite
shutdown skills that we really need then I doubt he will ever leave the field which means one of those will be coming in to spell him.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 6:47 PM MST up reply actions
No he is not “depth”. But running Bailey, Dawkins, Hill, and Goodman around is what wears legs out in the 4th Q. If we just slot him into Goodman’s slot — then by the end of the game Bailey, Dawkins and Hill are gonna be exhausted — and targets for opposing passers.
I agree that Peterson wouldn’t be leaving the field. The others would be the ones rotating on and off the field. He would be rotating positions on the field.
I think you don't give these pro athletes enough credit. I would never put Goodman in for Champ at the end of a game to relieve him.
What you are saying just wears down peterson by making him play all the positions in a game to relieve the others. He will have to learn multiple positions which will slow his learning curve and he won’t get rest. I don’t understand how this makes sense.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
haha. I wouldn’t either. My point is not to take our best players off the field in the 4th Q. My point is to do the rotating earlier so that everyone is good in the 4th Q.
He already plays free safety and cornerback and is the best prospect at both (or #2 at CB). Yeah he’ll have to adjust to the NFL — but every draft pick has to do that. I don’t know how “free safety in the NFL” is much different than “free safety in college” other than the caliber of players. And at least in Ronnie Lott’s case, free safety helped him ramp his cornerback play up faster because he was able to observe WR “tells” which he wouldn’t have seen as a CB.
and if he is switching back and forth between both positions during the game then that means more miles on him.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 6:49 PM MST up reply actions
In the Alabama game he was coming off the end on certain plays and doing quite well at it.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
Amazing!
“If we can’t fix this then an elite CB won’t mean much”
People forget so fast about Elvis Dumerville, the guy the led the league in sacks 2 years ago, being out for the season, with him back, and a DT in the 2nd im not worried about not being able to get to QB
and If we stake our hope on Dumervil only and he gets hurt again then we are in the same boat.
We can’t put all of our eggs in on one player again. You can’t have too many pass rushers or dominant D-linemen.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 6:48 PM MST up reply actions
Well hey. Let’s draft Fairley and stick him at right outside linebacker when Dumerville goes down again. I’m sure he can play that position as well as DE and NT.
give me a break. Nobody said Fairley would go in for Doom.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
yeah and if we stake our hope that Bailey and Cox are going to be around next year,
we may have Goodman and Thompson as starting CBs
Nobody ever said don't draft a CB either they just said you can find talented starters in rd 2 as well as rd 1.
And with a good pass rush a rd 2 corner will probably look almost as good as a 1st round corner without one or perhaps even better.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:31 PM MST up reply actions
If we go back to the 4-3
you can kiss Doom’s 17 sacks goodbye. He is too small to play end in the 4-3. I’m not sure why so many people want to go back to the 4-3. It will destroy any continuity we are trying to establish. I’m so sick and tired of constantly changing schemes, coordinators etc. until we stop doing that, we are going to continue to suck. The best scheme and coordinator in the world can’t make up for the fact that our defense lacks elite talent in all aspects. We have Doom, who was elite as an OLB in the 3-4, but very average as a DE in the 4-3. We have Bailey, who is still very close to elite. Constantly flip flopping is not going to solve anything or make us any better, it’s just another year of learning the “new” system. Another year of our players thinking instead of just playing. No to the 4-3, and no to drafting a CB that we don’t need with our first pick.
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Why can’t we just draft a dominant DL guy in the first round and someone like Aaron Williams/Jimmy Smith in the 2nd round?
If DL prospects are universally more likely to bust than CBs, why would drafting in the 2nd round be a less risk than drafting a DL in the 1st round? Don’t we have to draft one at some point? And if a DL is more likely to bust, wouldn’t it make sense to draft someone who absolutely dominated the college game as opposed to drafting someone who only had marginal success?
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by Worthington on Jan 11, 2011 6:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Send this comment to Elway
He might hire you. Great Logic!
I fall on the side of adding blue chip talent to the D-Line. To me, Denver can’t address anything but the D-Line with their 1st pick.
I don’t advocate for Denver to NOT draft a CB, but I do advocate for a top of the line DT.
We’ve seen countless posts of tireless bloggers telling us that the top half of the first round is low hanging fruit. Denver needs a blue chipper up front right on the line of scrimmage. That’s where we get our tail kicked the worst every week.
In Denver’s last 12 games, they gave up 184.66 yards a game. I used the last 12 games because Denver always comes out with some new wrinkles and plays ok, but then falls apart 4 or 5 games into the season.
The NFL average for 2010 was to give up 114.5 yards a game. In the last 3 quarters of 2010, Denver gave up 161% of that total on a weekly basis. 70 extra ground yards a game than the NFL average. That’s not ‘we need to tweak some things’ bad, that’s ‘we need new players’ bad.
And to top it off, Denver was responsible for 23 sacks this year. Last year Doom had 15, the rest of the team had 24. Doom is a De/OLB (versatile in any base set). If you pair him with a stud DT that requires a doubleteam, Doom’s number and the LBs and other Dlinemen’s numbers will increase.
I say go DL early.
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I think Doom had 17 sacks last year S7 but I hear you...
I believe this is the first time ever (?) that the Broncos will draft at the #2 spot and now is the time to get the right player for the value if it was ever…DLine needs fixed and starting on it in the 2nd rd doesn’t even appeal to me…
So
Say we find out Bailey doesn’t get resigned and/or Cox goes to jail,but we don’t find out till after draft, we draft Fairley then we have Goodman and Thompson starting at CB,
Now say same sceniero with Bailey and Cox, we can have Peterson, and still get a Top DT in the draft.
Plus Ill go and say Fairley is not even the best 3-4 nose tackle in draft, (great end) I think we can find a good solid 3-4 NT, that can also get it done in a 4-3 in the 2nd round.
Hey i understand what you're saying mj
I just dont agree.
Denver has to bite the bullet and take the blue chip lineman this year. Fairley and Dareus (who grades well as a 3-4 NT, a la BJ Raji) are head & shoulders above everyone else. I could be talked into considering dropping 10 or more picks lower to draft Claiborne, but trading out of the top 10 is going to be tough.
Its not about quantity of picks or ‘a big body’. It is simply about a quality- top tier DT.
In 5 years there will be a handful of players in the NFL that will be in the discussion for best DT in the NFL. I would KILL to have one of those players in orange & blue, because it probably means our front 7 is pretty damn good. This year is our shot.
We can take a CB later or next year, when we draft in the top 15 again.
We’re not going to solve anything by polarizing further on this discussion. I think we understand where eachother are coming from.
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Ok
I thought Fairley would play a 3-4 DE not NT, there are better real 3-4 NT in the second round
Geez
Dareus projects at NT, not Fairley
read what I wrote pls
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and no
there aren’t ones “just as good” later – if there were, one those guys whould go #2 overall
get off of scheme.
Denver doesn’t care. Its about the best D-Lineman. Denver has no Dlinemen now anyway and only 2 linebackers that don’t suck. The chalkbaord is blank. We’re starting over. You’re trying to put a player into a scheme when we DON’t HAVE A SCHEME
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I was saying
Better 3-4 NT then Fairley as a 3-4 NT
Fairley wouldn't play NT in the 3-4 he'd play DE
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:33 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
Fairley and Dareus (who grades well as a 3-4 NT, a la BJ Raji)
I guess the Parenthises only apply to Marcel Dareus
And Raji didn't @ BC
Brace did.
Look – I’m going off of what I’ve read & heard (Cecil Lammey is all about Dareus at NT – and he knows his stuff).
So are we all. None of us are scouts here – I don’t think
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actually
im a scout for the carolina panthers,
(LOL) thats why they suck so bad I guess your thinking
haha
ok that’s funny
I see your line of thought – I really do.
Taking a CB just isn’t that likely @ #2. We might, but probability lies with taking a Dlineman.
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I agree
about the probability,
However Carolina told me they are taking Fairley after watchin him in BCS, and since they have decent ends, he will be their 4-3 DT.
So unless we swithc to a 4-3 we should take Bowers, even then im comfortable with Ayers, and Doom as our 4-3 ends, if ths is the case we must trade back or take Peterson
I ment unless we stay with 3-4
cause Bowers is 4-3 end
K there we go
love the logic.
Lets just say for the sake or argument that Fairley gois #1.
You take Peterson or trade. I take Dareus or Bowers (it’s the Head Coach and D-Coordinator’s choice. If still undecided, I try and trade down 10 picks and take Claiborne.
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If we take
Fairley I hope we go to a 4-3, and then draft another big DT in 2nd along with a CB, then a ILB in 3rd and move DJ williams to Sam, however secondary still will be kina weak
That's almost exactly
what I want us to do.
In the 2nd, I’d go S (Moore if he’s there) or DE (JJ Watt) and then take a DB (if we take a lineman) or a DT (if we take a DB).
Can you imagine a D-Line of Watt, Fairley, Doom and Marcus Thomas (or someone else)? I wouldn’t want to deal w/ that at all!
We can franchise Champ. Goodman is average to above average and he’s cheap. Syd is good on the nickel. We need depth, but we’re solid for 1 more year.
Next year we take the kick ass CB.
The crop of top flight DL is too sweet to come away with nothing out of the #2 pick, but thats just MO
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Convinced
LOL
Wouldn’t you want Ayers on the LIne, i think hes solid at stoping the run.
I hope we could get Richard Marshall in FA
What
I was implying with the more likely to bust comment is that I would rather have a 2nd round bust then a 2nd pick overall bust.
I got that
but I think Worthington’s point has merit too.
Either way – it’s an interesting discussion!
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Good post mjlarson. But I think it’s pointless now.
We only have one pick in the draft this year. Dumerville is dead and we better solve the pass rush problem or else blahblahblah. It’s like a broken record.
Yeah
I thought I even broke it down barney style,
People seem to forgot about DOOM,
and that we havn’t drafted in first 3 rounds since 2002.
Now we can have one of the Best CB prospects every, and still draft DT/NT with our next 3 picks if we wanted.
A Top elite Shut down corner is harder to come by then a puss rush that already contains Doom
Doom cant do it on his own
And its not a safe assumption that Doom will simply pick up where he left off in 2009 with 15 sacks.
Denver needs an interior D-Line. We are embarrasing vs the run and we have no pass rush, even with Doom, our pass rush disappears plenty.
Time to COMMIT to a great defensive line.
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I agree
We need to get an inteior line man just not with the 2nd overall, I can name about 10 DT that will be available between Rnds 2-3 that can help DOOM, right away.
I just can’t think off that many CB that can help right away.
I get it
but I dont agree
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Like you said
we can agree to disagree, hopefully what ever happens works out best for team,
I see the Broncos Taking Fairley unless he goes 1 then they should take peterson or trade pack to about 6-10 range and hope either Peterson or Prince falls to them
It's not pointless to project your opinion and it is much appreciated...
But, now alot of mocks are projecting Amukamara as the #2 pick…Arre we suddenly going to jump ship and start the Amukamara talk now? I sure hope not…It’s like the blind leading the blind with all of this CB/DB #2 or even 3…Common sense should prevail the day and we are in a twixt where neither one of those guys would be a smart pick…
Well
if the experts know best and say Prince is up there with Peterson, Trade back get another 2 and 3, and hope one of the 2 falls.
Overall
I think I teams D is Garbage,
where we can adress the D-Line in the second round but not the CB postion,
IF we go DT first then we have to go CB and FS we need both positions, with Peterson we can rotate him in those positions.
Great, I could see Ahmad Black SS in the 2nd rd coming to us...
CBs…Jiimy Smith or Aaron Williams in the 2nd or 3rd…The possibilities are unlimited…De Andre McDaniel or Tyler Sash at FS
Any of you guys see the DE last night for auburn
Antoine Carter
He’ll be a late round pick and I think he might translate to:
3-4 De/OLB depending upon passing or running down
or
4-3 end
Impressed w/ him
Who is Ahmad Black?
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second best SS
in draft from Flordia,
maybe first but I have him behind De Andre McDaniel
5'10 190 lb SS out of Florida...Moving up the charts.
BTW, I didn’t know Carter was eligible…enlighten me please.
He saved the Bama game for Auburn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgxdziwOJlQ
#45
batted down a few passes last night. Played right DE.
Almost killed MSU’s QB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4S9XniKFgM
Not sure he’s very highly regarded or if he’ll even be a drafted player. But I thought he played w/ his head up and held ground well last night.
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he's a senior
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Last night
I thought Kenny Rowe OLB for oregon looked nice for being a 7th or undrafted
I think Amakamura IS the best pure shutdown CB in the draft. But I would really hope we don’t do that at #2. That simply plugs one player into one position. The main problem with our secondary (which is IMO our best unit on defense - when they are healthy – and hence the part that least needs fixing assuming that Champ is signed Cox stays out of jail Goodman/Dawkins/Hill all stay healthy) is that ALL of our starters are old.
the reason I like Peterson at #2 is his versatility. Not because I beleive the CB position alone is that valuable.
One thing for sure...
We can’t keep going to the free agency pool…Our DLine can’t be suddenly fixed with a 2nd or 3rd rounder either…I’m not advocating not drafting Patrick Peterson because there is no logic in that saying. What I’m saying is not at #2…Maybe 5-9.
Ok
Fair enough to each there own, in the end I hope whatever happnes is best for team.
I think we can get close to similar results as Fairley thourgh the 2-3 rounds this year or 1-3 next year, but not able to get anything like peterson until once every 5 years
I too want whats in the best interest of the team and I believe we may just get that...
Don’t get me wrong mj I’m all over Peterson or Amukamara if we had Buffalo’s or Dallas’ pick just not at 2…
Yeah
knowing Xanders he will draft and OT with the 2nd overall, then in the 2nd get a TE, and CB and then in 3rd DT
LOL...I don't think so this time...
We have to remember McD had ALL the say about most movements not counting the restroom…
Peterson will not be taken at # 2
There is no way Xanders takes a corner at #2 to high for a corner . After he threw josh under the buss for all the bad moves he will be very causes. If fairley is there he will take him if not the broncos will trade down for additional picks . Xanders has to have a good draft or he maybe out the door next year.
This is the exact reasoning I was trying to imply ultra thanks...
Xanders has to get this right…And I believe he is a very bright young man who studies talent a lot…It will be interesting to see how he maneuvers this draft…
Once again I would not be upset if we took Peterson but I would rather trade back a few spots to take him.
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I can agree
If we can move back to maybe 5-6 and obtain a 2 and maybe a 3rd I would be happy to take him there, I just don’t see him falling then.
I think either Peterson or Prince with fall to 5 and I wouldn't be upset with either. It is possible both might fall but who knows.
this could play out so many different ways.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:36 PM MST up reply actions
3 reasons why we should not draft Peterson...
1976 Steelers, 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens. Those are arguably the 3 best defenses of all time. How many players can you name from those defenses? Go ahead, name them. Now ask yourself, how many of those players you named were CB’s? Probably 0, but there is now way you were able to name all 6. Throw in Sageties and I’d be impressed if you could name 4 of the 12. Fact is, you can name guys like Mean Joe Greene, Ray Lewis, Mike Singletary, LC Greenwood, Jack Lambert, William Perry, etc. Impact players upfront make a bigger difference than the secondary.
Sageties = safeties
Spellcheck would be nice…:-)
Ngata's their best player
IMO
I cant even watch the ravens w/o being jealous of Ngata all game
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Hes a FA
but no way they let him go, give him the big money to come to Denver, and put him next to Fairley, with Doom and Ayers at the End.
Then we wouldn’t even need a secondary.
There
is no true NT for our 3-4 thats worth a 2nd overall pick, hence the Patrick Peterson if I had to take a NT there I would pick Fairley (evne though hes more of a 4-3, DT or 3-4 end) due to his versatility, hence Patrick Peterson again.
Best true 3-4 NT would be: Siona Fua Stanford or Phil Taylor Baylor
I do like Stephean Paea but kina short armed
None but I'd take a 3-4 DE in either Fairley or Dareus. I wouldn't take a 3-4 NT in this draft until rd 3
But that’s because they aren’t talented enough. The 3-4 DEs are.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
F*ck IT
Franchise Tag Bailey, trade him and our 2 and are 3rd to a team picking in top 5, and get both Fairley and either Prince or Patrick, lol
NO CBA, and Lockout
If there is no CBA does that mean there is no DRAFT until 2012, or still Draft but no season?
A lockout would occur after the 2011 draft and before the start of the 2011 season
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Well then How would
we choice order for the 2012 draft. Same order?
No one knows. In 1982, the lockout ended half way through the season and the draft order was determined by the half-season record. The Broncos had a 2-7 record and selected Chris Hinton with the 4th pick in the 1983 Draft, although he never played a game for the Broncos!
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We do not need corner Backs how many times can we let big tough DL go...
If we make the same mistake for the 6th year in a row we will continue to be a soft wossie defense please don’t let us be that stupid again.
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dumervil had 18 sacks with fields as our starter if we dont take peterson we will be the laughing stock of the nfl kinda like the raiders reaching on every pick when we could have a solid pick
How many Corners have been drafted #2?
Now how many DT/DEs have been taken at #2? I doubt we would be the laughing stock of the NFL.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 11, 2011 10:41 PM MST up reply actions
Problem is Fairley is the only DT/DE that is worth taking at #2
Bowers has Bust written all over him and Dareus is not worth a top 2 pick. Dareus is a run stopping DE in a 3-4 with limited pass rush ability.
by gnarlybroncodude on Jan 12, 2011 12:35 AM MST up reply actions
I would agree with this assessment.
If fairley falls to us I think we need to take him. If Carolina takes him we need to trade back. I would not mind peterson but I’m not sure if I’m comfortable taking a CB at #2
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 12, 2011 6:21 AM MST up reply actions
Ok
I was joking at first but seriously lets TAG Bailey, and trade him with our 2nd from MIA, a 2nd next year and our 3rd, for someones first.
Wait doesn’t Minesota need a CB, and a QB, him and they don’t have a 3rd rounder, ok
We will give them Orton, Bailey, and our 2nd from MIA, a 2nd next year and our 3rd, for there 1st.
If the Broncos keep a 3-4
and Draft Fairley, then they need to draft a real 3-4 NT in 2nd along with a top CB, then another ILB in the 3rd, and then in late rounds a FS, TE, RB,
This is too much. How about we alternate draft slots? With our #2 pick, someone inside the Broncos who wants us to go to 4-3 makes the choice. With our #36, someone who wants to stay 3-4 makes the choice. With the next pick, a 4-3. etc.
That way we’ll have killer linemen and killer nose tackles and linebackers.
Your doing it again
lol,
Your being sarcastic right?
Great post
and great discussion! Rec’d!
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by broncosmontana on Jan 11, 2011 11:04 PM MST reply actions
I would be very happy with Peterson. No reason we can’t draft linemen in the 2nd round, or the 1st round next year… this is going to take a few years to build. And if Peterson is as good a prospect as I read, I think it would be a very fine pick. I’d be fine if they got Fairley or Bowers as well, I’m just agreeing that Peterson would also be a very good pick that would help the team.
Let's put the 'D' back in Denver
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