I Believe in Tim Tebow = Hired
by DailyDose on Jan 13, 2011 9:28 PM MST
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PrintToday, John Elway tweeted to his fans that the Broncos are going to hire John Fox as the new head coach of the Denver Broncos. John Fox then felt the need to publicly thank John and Pat Bowlen for giving him the opportunity to coach a team of great tradition and blah blah blah. Basically, the same old hooblah. If it isn't obvious to you yet, I personally am not happy about this. Elway was clear throughout the entire interviewing process that the new head coach must believe in Tim Tebow. John Fox came to the interview Wednesday and said, "Hey, I believe in Tim Tebow." Thursday, with no second round of interviews being held, John Fox was hired to be the head coach of the Broncos. Is that it? Is that the only thing that qualified him for the job? What else did he bring to the interview to prove to Joe Ellis and Elway that he was the man for the job? Here's a quick look at his resume and then you tell me just why was he hired?
First: I wish to just state the obvious: John Fox went 2-14 this season, that was the worst record of the entire NFL. The Broncos went 4-12 and fired their coach as well. What's more interesting, Josh McDaniels is only being contacted to be an offensive coordinator, not a head coach. Hardly anyone contacted John Fox, outside of the Denver Broncos, to do anything. The Broncos fired the technically second worst coach so they could hire the worst.
Second: John Fox coached the Panthers for nine years. His overall record, including playoffs, was 78-74! He's barely over .500. He went to one Super Bowl in 2004 (which was the 2003 season) and lost. He's made the playoffs a total of three seasons. That's three seasons out of nine. The even more depressing fact, the seasons were never consecutive. The panthers made the playoffs, under John Fox, in 2003, 2005, and 2008. That just spells inconsistency to me. The idea of a team making it to the playoffs twice in three years would say to anyone that that team is getting better. But no, they got worse. A team gets worse due to player personell decisions. Julius Peppers, the Panthers' personal sack master, was released just recently. The team only ever had one good receiver in Steve Smith. Mushin Muhammad was a good talent, but apparently not good enough to keep. Jake Delhommebecame a larger disappointment over time and that must be attributed to coaching. Jimmy Clausen has lost any sense of confidence and may very well be done in Carolina. How in the world are Broncos fans supposed to be excited to have this man coach Tim Tebow?
Third: John Fox is more than likely going to bring the 4-3 defense back to Denver. There was an overwhelming trend in the candidates for the head coach job, they were all 4-3 defensive backgrounded coaches. I am hearing rumors that the new defensive coordinator would be Jim Mora Jr. Here's my beef with this, we don't have the personell for a 4-3 anymore. The defense is built for the 3-4 which would mean poor D.J. Williams is going to be learning a new linebacker position yet again. The rest of the corp. isn't good enough to learn a whole new scheme. Elvis Dumervil succeeded in the 3-4, not the 4-3, and yes he played in both. This whole 4-3 business may be a secret message to all that the Broncos are interested in Da'Quan Bowers, the prolific DE from Clemson University. But what happens when he's taken number one overall? Nick Fairley, the DT from Auburn? Only if this team stays in the 3-4. Which means the Broncos' next best option is the top rated CB from LSU, Patrick Peterson. Either way, a new entire defense means rebuilding, and Champ Bailey has publicly stated, he's not interested in rebuilding.
Fourth: John Fox is great at running the ball. We have proof in Jonathan Stewart and DeAngelo Williams who are their current set of runningbacks and Stephen Davis who was a talented runningback during the Panthers' super bowl season. But let's take a quick step backwards before we start to push for the Broncos being an elite rushing team. The Broncos are currently a miserable rushing football team and a great passing team. The Broncos' best running back is Knowshon Moreno and honestly, he's been a mistake since McDaniels drafted him. The Broncos have what looks like one of the greatest groups of receivers in the entire NFL. Fox has never ever owned anything similar to this. He's had his one receiver in Steve Smith and maybe a decent number two. Fox runs first and throws later. And when he throws, he throws poorly (which means he throws downfield for homeruns) which of course results in interceptions...look up Delhomme's stats. Fox's offense is boring and underwhelming. His offense is predictable and our offensive line has immediately become a problem. The defense was a severe problem, now the offensive line must be addressed. The only way I see resolving this issue is to keep Mike McCoy. He was the offensive coordinator with John Fox when the team went to the Super Bowl and he helped Jake Delhomme experience his best stats of his career. The talk around the league is that the Chiefs are interested in hiring him. We need to pray that he stays in Denver now for Tebow's sake.
I honestly don't get it. John Fox is not offensive minded. He's a defensive minded coach. He's a run first and throw later coach. How in the world was he able to prove to the guys upstairs that he believed in Tebow? Does this team only plan to run the entire game, whether it be Moreno or Tebow? John Elway said he wanted a proven and established coach to take over. Lets face it, the only candidate the Broncos interviewed who met this credential was John Fox. The Broncos hired John Fox before they even interviewedEric Studesville. That's all I get from this, all Fox had to say was, "I believe in Tim Tebow." John Elway smiled and said, "Good, the job is yours!" But I will say this, the team is going to make a complete 180 when it comes to attitude. Josh was arrogant and apparently ignorant. Fox will be more transparent the way Elway wants it. There will be a new attitude under Fox. But the team isn't going to be any better. I don't see how. Believing in Tebow isn't enough to win football games.
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How dare you doubt the great John Elway... Lol
I actually like the move its nice to see a defensive head coach… Tired of all these Offensive minds
Embrace the other side, become the animal.
When I hire a new employee, the best hire is someone who's experienced in the task at hand.
Fox has experience in rebuilding teams. He took over a Panthers team in 2002 that had gone 1-15 and led the club to a 7-9 record in his first year to record the third-best turnaround by a first-year coach in NFL history. He went to the Super Bowl the next year. Only three coaches in the NFL have done this, Bill Parcells, Vince Lombardi, and John Fox.
He might not be the COTF, but he’s the coach of the rebuild.
Do you think Studesville, Dennison, Koetter, and Fewell all said, “I don’t believe in Tebow.”
I was eleven when Elway made the "leap" in Super Bowl XXXII, but I like to think that's still the moment I was conceived. Go Broncos!
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Hmm....
Guess I find that first part, before the jump, pretty shallow. Do you really think he walked in, said, “I like Tim Tebow,” and got hired? Seems like simplification.
That being said, I appreciate the structured laying out of your thoughts :)
more infor
With regard to the way Fox was hired, this, from nfl.com, gives more info…notice the time spent together:
Fox arrived in Denver on Wednesday to meet with Elway after his flight out of North Carolina was delayed three times by winter weather. Fox was the fifth and final candidate interviewed, and his sit-down lasted 90 minutes longer than the others’.
Broncos general manager Brian Xanders said the interview lasted 5½ hours, followed by a dinner with him, Elway and Fox that lasted just as long at Elway’s Steakhouse.
“The more he talked, the more football wisdom came out in terms of different situations,” Xanders told The Associated Press. “Running the defense, the offense, the nine years of head-coach experience came out in his answers. And then his personality, his energy and positive outlook fit the Broncos model.”
by Mhantra on Jan 13, 2011 11:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. So you think he makes the team worse in essentially every way.....
…..that it isn’t easy to do. How are you with his special teams?
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Dude.
The Panthers were HORRIBLE when Fox got a hold of them. he did a pretty outstanding job to take that team to an above .500 record during his tenure there and keep them competitive for a spot in the playoffs for the major time he was there, including three trips (though they aren’t back to back as you would like). The Panthers aren’t the 2000-2010 Colts man, they’re a different team. Its not easy to get to the playoffs to begin with, let alone in back to back seasons especially when you were in the same division as the Tampa Bay Bucs in their prime.
Your article has some great points but is littered with some real snarky observations (or at least the way you said them), and some have little to know real proof behind them. Here’s just a sampling:
Is that it? Is that the only thing that qualified him for the job?
Obviously it isn’t. That’s what an interview is for. If all they needed to know is that he was a Tebow fan than they just need to look up quotes from Fox on Tim’s pro-day in Gainesville.
Hardly anyone contacted John Fox, outside of the Denver Broncos, to do anything.
According to who? Where’s the source? Or do you just feel comfortable saying this because you watch NFLN everyday and don’t hear it in the spotlight? I’d really like to know why you think NO ONE ELSE has tried or did contact Fox for coaching positions.
Elvis Dumervil succeeded in the 3-4, not the 4-3, and yes he played in both.
I hated this one worst of all. Even Rod Woodson (who’s no fan of Denver by far) got this one right. Did you even LOOK at Dumervil’s statistics in the 4-3 compared to other 4-3 ends during that time period. He was in the top ten of the league (top five in many categories) for multiple years but just never got any love because he didn’t get the “Sacks” that everyone clamors about. He was amazing at getting pressure and forcing bad throws. This was just a bone-headed thing to say; you’ve got to admit that.
The Broncos’ best running back is Knowshon Moreno and honestly, he’s been a mistake since McDaniels drafted him.
This was just downright a personal attack based on your individual opinion. Moreno IS the best running back on our team, and considering the play we’ve gotten out of every other back on our team (whether it’s playcalling or coaching) the fact that Moreno has played so well in crap conditions is a highlight from the last two years. I’m actually looking forward to seeing what the energetic kid can do with a coach that favors a heavy rushing attack.
I honestly don’t get it. John Fox is not offensive minded. He’s a defensive minded coach. He’s a run first and throw later coach. How in the world was he able to prove to the guys upstairs that he believed in Tebow? Does this team only plan to run the entire game, whether it be Moreno or Tebow? John Elway said he wanted a proven and established coach to take over. Lets face it, the only candidate the Broncos interviewed who met this credential was John Fox. The Broncos hired John Fox before they even interviewedEric Studesville. That’s all I get from this, all Fox had to say was, “I believe in Tim Tebow.” John Elway smiled and said, “Good, the job is yours!” But I will say this, the team is going to make a complete 180 when it comes to attitude. Josh was arrogant and apparently ignorant. Fox will be more transparent the way Elway wants it. There will be a new attitude under Fox. But the team isn’t going to be any better. I don’t see how. Believing in Tebow isn’t enough to win football games.
You’d have almost been as well off by making this your entire post. This is how you truly feel. You don’t have to poor out empty arguments and shoot down the few signs of hope and energy that we have going for us right now (Tebow, Moreno, Dumervil returning, etc). Damn man… from the way you talk about McDaniels I can see why you’re already jumping on the anti-Fox bandwagon, but whatever. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but next time give some real reasons and don’t take chump-shots based on the MSM reporting, hearsay, and your general opinion from watching the NFL over the last decade.
And for the record the only thing the comment about McDaniels being arrogant and ignorant is the same general blah-de-blah we’ve heard for the last two years. The guy was a rookie HC, young, and completely inexperienced in most facets of his main duties besides calling the offensive plays. He was definitely convicted, but if you’re saying that McDaniels doesn’t know squat about football than I’ll enjoy chuckling to myself as he runs a dominating offense as an OC over the next couple of years; and laughing as I recall all the bone-headed generalizing comments that many have said about him based on what they hear and see from the Media (who job is about sharing information regardless of how true it is – whatever brings in the cash).
So please, next time save us all your complaining and woe-is-the-Denver-Broncos BS unless you’ve got some legitimate sources/data other than your own personal feelings. I don’t mind people sharing their personal opinions when its positive and offers some glimpse of hope, but this stuff offers nothing besides going against EVERYTHING the Broncos are moving towards now – which is GETTING THEIR FANS BACK BEHIND THIS TEAM instead of set against it. You’re on the wrong side man, get with the program.
"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes
"Excellence can be obtained; if you care more than others think is wise…risk more than others think is safe…dream more than others think is practical…expect more than others think is possible." - Anonymous Author
by Alexander Wall on Jan 13, 2011 10:18 PM MST reply actions 15 recs
Rec!!!!
DD – You’ve just been LAWYERED!!!!
the lack of actual information in the article above, as so eloquently pointed out by none other than A-Wall (don’t worry alex, I won’t tell your superior officers) is Legen- wait for it
DARY!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Very nice!
That response was LEGEN…. wait for it…..
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The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 14, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
* Slams Door*
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
No Facts?
The overall record wasn’t fact? Dumervil’s success in the 3-4 isn’t fact? John Elway’s quote isn’t fact? You ask how I would know no one mentioned John Fox’s name? Simple…NO ONE MENTIONED HIS NAME! Please give me at least 3 teams who contacted the Panthers and requested an interview with John Fox. Shoot, I’d even take one. I don’t understand where the lack of fact is big guy. I really don’t. I didn’t make up anything. I spent plenty of time researching. Oh, and I was actually a huge supporter of Josh McDaniels. Lord knows he made some of the worst personell decisions of all time…but then…isn’t that the same reason John Fox went 2-14…personell? Just curious.
Interesting take on things Daily
Pretty sure that Elway would be highly offended at your primary premise though. Here’s my take.
Hiring Fox was by far the most logical move the FO could have made. Given the turmoil and the inexperience of Elway and Xanders they really needed to hire a HC with experience. Someone who has been in that position and truly gets all of the intricacies of what it takes to restore our team to it’s winning tradition. Sure it’s important that Fox believes in Tebow, if he didn’t he shouldn’t have even been there, but to assume that’s all that was required is indeed a limited perspective.
As a Panther season ticket holder for the last ten years I can absolutely assure you that John Fox is not even close to being the worst coach in the NFL as you state. The ownership and front office have been slowly depleting the talent level of this team for the last five years. The Panthers are probably in the worst financial situation of any team in the NFL and have not only refused to resign key players but also are notorious for lowballing contracts and failing to even pursue mid talent level FA’s. Fox is going to think he’s in heaven coaching for Bowlen and working with Elway comparatively.
In all of his years here I have never heard a player current or former say anything negative about John. He will not be a media darling nor will he be an arrogant monarch. He will be exactly what the Broncos need right now.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Jan 13, 2011 10:27 PM MST reply actions 9 recs
Well said.
"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes
"Excellence can be obtained; if you care more than others think is wise…risk more than others think is safe…dream more than others think is practical…expect more than others think is possible." - Anonymous Author
by Alexander Wall on Jan 13, 2011 10:35 PM MST up reply actions
You too man
Guy hasn’t even had 12 hours and he’s the worst coach in the NFL already.
"as in football so in life"
You would think on his first day he already traded away Tebow, Orton, Quinn, Dumervil, and Lloyd and told Champ to take a ****in hike. Lmao.
"It is better to be rougly right than precisely wrong." - John Maynard Keynes
"Excellence can be obtained; if you care more than others think is wise…risk more than others think is safe…dream more than others think is practical…expect more than others think is possible." - Anonymous Author
by Alexander Wall on Jan 13, 2011 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
Something must have this poor fellow jumpy - perhaps his guy was snubbed?
When you think about it, what other candidate was so freakin’ good to incite this kind of reaction from DailyDose?
Harbaugh – never coached in the NFL before. Intriguing young coach with a good pedigree but that’s about it.
Fewell – Was an interim head coach in Buffalo, did ok, took over a Giants defense with possibly the most nasty front 4 of all the 4-3 D’s in football. Was it him – was it the D?
Dennison – My personal favorite, but when I heard him on the interview video over aty DB.com, he sounded kind of shy / unsure of himself (I know a 2 minute video isn’t a good bearing). If I was interviewing a candidate, and they presented themselves like Rico (who I absolutely love mind you), I would probably come away a tad bit worried.
Gregg Williams – Judging by the way his Saints D played the Seachickens, I’m glad he stayed in the Big Easy.
Mark Mike Mularkey – he didn’t want to come, boo-hoo-hoo. Other than be a good coordinator, what the hell has Mark ever done? Nothing.
Drik Koetter – Who? Exactly.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
It just goes without saying -
you can’t please everybody, so why bother. I understand all the differing views on MHR, especially over the last month or so. It’s bound to happen, people are going to disagree more than they agree, at least in my best estimation. But for christ sakes, can we give the guy a little time before we declare him the worst thing that ever happened to this team. I know I’m paraphrasing the OP here, but it’s ridiculous.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
My thoughts exactly
towards all the guys who think this is a bad move. Who else would they have take over? Cower? Gruden? Dungy? Experienced but pricey, and they would want too much control. Then theres The guys you just mentioned, but they have no experience. The Broncos just tried going with an unproven guy and that went horribly for them. I can see why they would go with Fox
To paraphrase the Eagles (of whom I'm not even really a fan..)
You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the gutter, bringin’ everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I’d like to find your inner child and kick it’s little a$$
Get over it
Get over it
All this bit$%in’ and moanin’ and pitchin’ a fit
Get over it, get over it
Get over it
Get over it
It’s gotta stop sometime, so why don’t you quit
Get over it, get over it
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
by grind_core on Jan 13, 2011 10:55 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
That is my theme song g_core!
Lol
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by KaptainKirk on Jan 13, 2011 11:12 PM MST up reply actions
It made me laugh,
glad it did the same for you. It’s a whole new world, this Broncoland. The future is so bright, we all need shades right about now. I’m not drinking any kool-aid, I try to keep an even keel. Tebow should only get better, and we finally have a defensive minded head coach. If you are watching the playoffs as I have been, you will no doubt see that defense is still what wins in this league. I’m thrilled, to be honest.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
He needed that grind
whether he knows it or not. I’m completely fed up with people bitching about every single move we make, and every single guy we bring in – even Elway for God’s sake. If you hate evrything the Broncos do soooo bad, then I advise you to follow a new team, one that doesn’t tick you off so much. Let John Fox (who is a decent coach in a year when candidates were sparse) coach his 1st season before you declare him the crappiest coach in football – good lord!!!!
You try to win with no QB, both your beast RB’s injured (the Panthers bread and butter), and your defensive stalwart shipped to Chi-town. I’m sure it wasn’t easy for him, considering the suckiness of that front office.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
also...great Sig!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
suck up
lol
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
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lol to G-Core?
hahahahahahha don’t make me lau………oh….um…..nevermind….
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
lol
wow I’m like a cult classic around here ;)
thanks for the love
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
What people don't understand about Doom
half of his 2009 sacks came out of a three point stance (his hand on the ground, like a DE). Regardless of that, look how much production he had before that – 8.5, 12.5, and 5 sack seasons, in the 4-3 as a DE. He’s done it before, he can do it again. I can’t believe people are turning on Doom now – what have we become?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Hmm
that is an interesting tidbit. I still feel as though he is a liability more so in the 4-3. Doom is 5’11, 250. Maybe. I always thought before we even transitioned to a 3-4 that he seemed like a more natural fit at OLB in said scheme. I was never comfortable with him as a 4-3 end. It would appear to my naked eye that the dude is just flat out too small for that position. I guess I’m going to have to do some research of my own to be able to draw a better conclusion. Now we’ve hijacked this post, but probably for the better.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
Always for the better
when considering US!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
we just make threads more FUN
for everyone. black comedy and deadpan are sure fire winners
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
“To me, John Fox isn’’t funny. In fact, he’s kinda scary. I’ve wondered where this started, and I think it goes back to the time I went to the a football game and John Fox killed my dad.” -DailyDose
by Velveeta on Jan 14, 2011 7:43 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
LOL!
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 14, 2011 8:22 AM MST up reply actions
Not Excited
Many are not excited about hiring someone to coach TT. Having watched and folloed the Broncos since 1959, Fox is “Old School” Orange Crush “Crash Fox” in college. It is a perfect fit to get back to the core of Bronco football wandering further and further away from defense.
Back to the basics. Here is what Elway said about Tebow and our offenseive strategy, in addition to hiring Fox who shoves the ball down the other teams throat – smash mouth football instead of finesse – Read between the lines what you want 1) From the team around Tebow, or 2) Have Tebow bring his work ethic and intangibles into line with Elway’s style of offense. I think it is obviously #2. JE said -
“What I see is, (Tebow is) very raw when it comes down to drops, he’s very raw when it comes down to anticipation. He’s very raw when it comes down to anticipating throws. Those are the things that he has to get a lot better at. He’s got the intangibles. He’s going to make the plays that you can’t coach. But he’s got to be able to, for us to win a championship, he’s got to win it from within the pocket.”
Elway will bring in some Quality competition to the QB basket for July.
TROLL does not = Someone who is dubious on TT, but giving him a chance WITH a fallback position if he can’t. EG; All eggs in one basket.
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Fix
1) Form the team around TT
All eggs in one basket is not smart NFL football.
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Im Excited about Fox, not because of TT
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
PS
Who is Tony Robbins?
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
A charlatan who sells people belief in their dreams.
He’s like Amway, but in the end you don’t even have a pile of cosmetics to show for it.
Oh..
Like that, what was his name Werner something, selling seminars where you had to sit on a hard chair for 16 hour days… finally getting what “it is”. What is it? Well, it’s “it”.. Feel better? WOW! I do! “Good. You graduate”… Oh, I know, it was “EST” :)
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
lol
I’ve always found that if you have to explain the joke, well, you get the idea.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
For Tebow's Sake ?
“We need to pray that he stays in Denver now for Tebow’s sake.”
Bass-ackwards from what has been said by Elway, and is clear. If McCoy is a good OC, FOR THE TEAM and Elway’s stated style of offense, great! If TT fits into that, and can learn to fit, great! If not, bye bye.
Selling jerseys is not the point, and don’t give me “anti-troll yellow flags”. This is not Kumbaya Board.
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Why do you have to keep defending yourself and say you're not a troll?
We’re all adults here.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 14, 2011 8:21 AM MST up reply actions
K
That’s a good thing. Lots of people throw around “troll” which is overused on here a lot. :)
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
As of late trolling has been rampant...
But not drinking the Tebow Kool-Aid doesn’t make you a troll.
Though I will share my Crystal Light of cautious optimism with you.
Josh
FREEMAN…. is great, isn’t he? I live North of Tampa after 30 years in Colo. Glad Tampa has him. Gives me a young guy to watch develop….
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Huh?
Oh, that someone would name a child Josh? :)
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
LOL
this message will self destruct in 5….4….3….2….
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
Yea..
Sorry all you mothers out there who have probably been suffering for 2 years. Check out the Tampa Bay Bucs if you named your kid Josh! It’s okay then..
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
... named your baby Josh, I mean..
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Litmus test for trollage...
If you’re not on the high road, you’re under the bridge.
Maybe a few people bigotedly call anyone who disagrees with them a troll, but most of the community here knows the difference.
Great!
Some other sports blogs run wild with the “yellow troll flags”. One pontificates. I argue. I’m obviously a troll. Only I get to pontificate…. right :) Kiddingg. Thanks
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Not sure you've been here long enough to quantify this board Puesto
I’ve seen quite a few remarks about what you believe it to be though. Were you on before with a different name maybe?
"as in football so in life"
Offense vs Defense
This Quote on the post – “I honestly don’t get it. John Fox is not offensive minded. He’s a defensive minded coach.”
Is misinformed – Elway said last week he was going to “hire to his own weaknesses” – IE Defense. The Broncos ONLY had D, until Elway came on, and for the first time they had both sides of the ball. Shanahan started letting that slip. When Elway was gone, Shanny continued to let it erode. Bowlen like Offense minded HC’s. Ergo, he hired Elway to be on top of that side of the ball, and a D HC was a natural.
Both sides are covered from the top. Assuming TT, if he is the starter after competing for the job in July, can learn what Elway said he needs to learn to be a champion NFL QB. Elway – paraphrase – We will win championships with a QB in the pocket, passing.
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Elway won't be in charge of the offense, though.
He’s an executive, not an OC.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 14, 2011 8:36 AM MST up reply actions
I think he will,
… from the old HC office on the ground floor at DValley, which is now his. The new HC office is upstairs. I think Elway will be heavily involved, from what I read in the D-Post in the outline for the Offense. Of course there will be an OC. But, Elway will vet on the offense, players, outline, strategy for the season, etc.
He said he is going to “hire to his own weaknesses” which means he is not going to put his strengths in the closet.
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Elway Vision for Offense
Elway’s quote tells me both his vision and his outline for the offense, and that he will follow through with that vision from the office -
“"What I see is, (Tebow is) very raw when it comes down to drops, he’s very raw when it comes down to anticipation. He’s very raw when it comes down to anticipating throws. Those are the things that he has to get a lot better at. He’s got the intangibles. He’s going to make the plays that you can’t coach. But he’s got to be able to, for us to win a championship, he’s got to win it from within the pocket."
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
DailyDose
While I was dissappointed my cousin Rick Dennison didn’t get the job, John Fox is a good coach that was given a team who did not want to pay for coaches/players a good job. Denver is a better team than Fox has ever had, and has a front office that will support him.
Bowlen wants another Super Bowl before he passes away. We have a front office that seems energized, and after the same thing. This team needs some fine tuning. I believe 3/4 of our starters are legit, and we are plagued by a scheme on our offensive line (we need to go back to zone) as well as plagued by the front 7 of our defense!
We are also lacking depth at certain positions, however our defensive backs aren’t as bad as everyone says they are. If you can’t rush the passer, and rattle him a little, the defensive backs are going to suffer. Thats just how it is, doesn’t matter who you have back there.
Our running back situation will get better. While Moreno has had a list of injuries, zone blocking would cut down on these, and our other running backs would excel. I believe LenDale White will be a good back for us in tough yardage situations.
Yes, I am disappointed as well. I think Rick is an excellent coach and just hasn’t been granted a head coaching position, although he’s only applied for 2 head coaching opportunities, both with the Broncos. He’s a Bronco through and through, which is why this is the only place he’s interviewed for, however I assume that will change now, after being declined twice by the Broncos.
John Fox, though, has my support, and with an energized front office behind him, he can do wonders imo! Even though you may not like the pick, or be disappointed in it, you can at least support him as well as our front office with this pick.
I will give Fox the same support for up to 3 years as I did McDaniels. After 3 years, my contract of support will expire, and depending on how the team is doing and how I feel Fox has done, he will retain it free of charge or I will be calling for his nuts on a plate!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
by Broncs55 on Jan 14, 2011 9:27 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
I think there were some good minds of all types in the room when they interviewed Fox. I think they had a clear consensus. They are smart adults, with lots of experience in each aspect.
I was a “Fox foreigner” until I started reading up. Really impressed with all aspects of who he is, and who will be above him, and around him. I’m not sure we could have done better. Not even Harbaugh, who was paid too, too much for a rookie HC.
Good job, Broncos.
Now, just one other change which needs to happen – and I’ll say it humbly and quiet as I can – BRING BACK THE ORANGE, BRING BACK THE ORANGE, BRING BACK THE ORANGE!!!!!!!
TODAY, RIGHT NOW!!!!
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
by Puesto on Jan 14, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 on bringing back the orange!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
Petition
I think there is a petition floating around somewhere… I’ll see if I can’t scare it up somewhere… and post
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
there is
and I signed it awhile back, however didn’t they announce in 2012 Orange is back?!?
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
jesus
why couldn’t they just move it to 2011. dec 21st is on a friday, we aren’t even gonna get a full season LOL
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
Huh? December 21, like Winter Solstice?
This is the NFL… No the Mayan calendar…. :) They were nice people though… except for the offerings of beating hearts and drinking blood…
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
yea but
if the world explodes i seriously think that is going to hamper finishing out the season
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
Petition
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/11/16/1817186/bring-back-broncos-orange-petition
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Woody
Someone said yesterday that Woody Paige opined that Orange would be back, but not sure what year he was talking about. Maybe they need to give the NFL some heads up?
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
2012
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 14, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
No official word from the Broncos, but to do it in 2012 would require a years advanced notice
http://www.9news.com/sports/pro_football/nfl/denver_broncos/article.aspx?catid=72&storyid=171989
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
A NSS
Well, here’s a NSS from that article – “The team says it takes fan feedback into account with decisions like this and always welcomes comments from its fan base.” Well, Duhh!!
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
teams jerseys are always because of the fanbase
we screamed our jerseys were out dated in the late 90’s…. the team changed its styles because of us. Now we’re screaming we want the orange back, thus the team most likely will change the home jersey to their current alternate.
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
you always want what you don't have
but you never give a sh** about what you have until it’s gone
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
Joanie Mitchell, Boulder Colorado
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
very true
I’d take Lucy Pinder in a heart beat! lol
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
LOL
I was going to say WTF is LP… but then googled her! Ouch! That is some bad lookin’ stuff… whew!! Excuse me for a few minutes… BRB…
http://www.askmen.com/celebs/women/celeb_profiles_model/11_lucy_pinder.html
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Lucy
At first glance I thought you said “I’d take lucy and pound her..” googled her, and thought YEA.. ME TOO.. But, I’m old and she looks like she’d kill me.. Ya’ know?
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Orange
Everybody and their dog changed their jerseys in the late 90’s… Except New York!! The Cincinnati Reds even went to a lot of black… Now, that is just wrong!!
Orange is back, and the thing is, NO ONE in the NFL has it. It can be ours. Navy, or dark blue is just sooooo common…. boring!!
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
agreed
but I think we got a little off subject here! lol
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
The Reds went back to red, thank goodness.
Sunday games they wear red and the rest of the time it’s white primary and red secondary or grey primary and red secondary.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jan 14, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
Wow this post is extremely ignorant and based in complete delusion.
Do you seriously think Dennsion, Fewell Koetter and Studesville came to their interview and said “If I get the job I won’t start Tebow because I don’t like him” and then John Elway showed them the door?
I can guarantee you that if they were smart then they would have known what Elway said in his press conference and if they wanted the job then they would have probably praised Tebow in the interview. If they didn’t as you suggest then be at ease because that just proves we got the smartest coach of the 5. He was smart enough to interview well. But this is just a ridiculous comment to poke fun of your ridiculous assumption.
In all seriousness If this is the case then your beef is not with Fox but with Elway, Bowlen, Xanders and the entire FO because if your assumption is accurate then they are the ones who botched this not Fox. They don’t deserve their jobs for having such a minimum requirement for the job.
To address points one and 2:
Fox is a good coach but based on the ignorant statements that were made you probably believe he chased Julius Peppers out of town and didn’t want to bring in a veteran QB. You said it yourself a team gets worse when they won’t pay their players or bring in good players to supplement their team. Fox was not in charge of his team there like McD was here. McD took us to 4-12 and was responsible for the players he brought in. Fox took his team to 2-14 but was not responsible for the personnel moves in Carolina. He only coached. If you think Jimmy Clausen is a better QB than Tebow or even a comparable leader then I will seriously have to question whether or not you are a blood relative of his or a clingy ex girlfriend.
Point 3:
More proof of your ignorance. Do you really think it will be a hard switch moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3? Are you afraid we will not be ranked dead last in defense anymore? I’m not sure it is a big deal that we don’t have the personnel for a 4-3 because guess what? We obviously don’t have it for a 3-4 either. The absolute worst that can happen if we switch is that our defensive ranking will stay the same. I for one don’t see that happening with a coach who actually knows defense. You really must not know much about schemes either if you think Fairley is not a good fit for the 4-2. You do know that he plays in a 4-3 now right? You do know that as a DT in said scheme he dominated SEC offensive lines (pretty much all offensive lines) to the tune of 11 sacks right? That is a pretty damn good stat for a DT. There is also a possibility that he will be a much better 4-3 DT than a 3-4 DE considering it is the position he knows and has played extensively in.
I won’t address the Elvis Dumervil comment you made as it was addressed above. Another proof of your ignorance.
Point 4:
A good running game is what we need. Premature to call Moreno a bust while rushing behind an absolutely dreadful offensive line. Fox had a good offensive line that had been running the same scheme for many years. With a good running game Tebow will find more (you read that right), more passing lanes. If McCoy stays it will be great for Tebow. If he doesn’t well, who knows. I for one though think Tebow is a much better talent than Delhomme. If you disagree then you should be a Browns fan, but I doubt even them would agree.
I don’t see how a single one of your reasons for Fox being a bad hire makes logical sense. If anything, reading this post has made me believe even more that he is the right hire.
And for the final statement
The Broncos hired John Fox before they even interviewed Eric Studesville.
Seriously? Seriously? Do you even follow the Broncos? You do know that Studs was the first Candidate interviewed right?
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 14, 2011 10:50 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Good post
in fact, great post! Although calling one ignorant constantly or his/her views ignorant is borderline being a jerk lol
But I like the points you make.
Moreno though, the OP said has been a mistake, even tho he’s our best back. I kind of (remember, I said “kind of”) agree with this sentiment. His injuries have been plaguing us dramatically.
HOWEVER, with that said, moving back to zone blocking should help keep our players health in tact, imo. His injuries should eliminate themselves because of it imo.
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
Moreno
I am dubious about Moreno, as well. But, TBF… and I really don’t have to… I don’t think he had a good OL.. Ergo, if we can get Magazu who had really good numbers as an OL coach under Fox, then we should see, shouldn’t we… OL make or break a running game, and I like Panthers numbers under Fox with Magazu.
Moreno is too fragile, IMNSHO. But, he has earned a chance to show himself. But, we need about 4 viable backs in our stable in July….
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Idiot Label
Lots of people throw out the idiot label and then don’t back it up. It’s just trash talk on a sports blog. It’s OK if you back it up… which the writer did.
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Yeah I guess I came across as a jerk
I tried to say the post was ignorant but I guess that implies the writer is ignorant. I understand opinions but I don’t see how people can write an entire post of them and call them all facts without posting any actual facts.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 14, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
Cool
You backed up your arguments. It’s all good. No problem. Call George Bush and idiot, then back it up. Fine with me.
I thought the part about Tebow was ill informed, and I gave quotes from Elway, etc to back it up… If anyone would have called me and idiot, I would have asked for THEIR FRIGGIN’ PHONE NUMBER AND THEIR GRANDMOTHER’S CHILDREN THAT SORT OF THING…. GASOLINE IS NEXT….. you know, normal stuff like that… LOL :) Peace
"My Mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch"
- Jack Nicholson
Facts...
I read this same thing in a comment earlier. And I will answer the same way. Dumvervil succeeded in the 3-4. That is fact. Jake Delhomme has had one pro bowl season, the rest were mediocre…that is fact. John Fox’s record, which was stated, is fact. Jimmy Clausen has been miserable…check the stats….fact. The comment about Moreno is an opinion. But let’s look at what we lost in the long run…WE LOST PEYTON HILLIS! We didn’t need Moreno and Moreno has done nothing compared to Hillis. So…would you also say that this is not fact but ignorance?
notice how
the thread now contains a vast amount of topics not directly related to the op, could it be coincidence? i think not.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
You didn't get the point of that quote
The Broncos hired John Fox before they even interviewed Eric Studesville.
What I am trying to say is this, the Broncos had already predetermined to hire John Fox before they even interviewed Studesville…
How do you know that? That is perfect example of you stating your opinion as fact when there is zero evidence of that.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Jan 15, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
Joan Baez
Warm fuzzies ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3MiD_U4CHQ
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- Jack Nicholson
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