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As I continue to unload more stats on your now weary minds, I move on to conclude a project I started at the beginning of the season when another member and I were talking about how backs gained their yards, through big bursts off-set by poor runs or by steadily gaining, or losing a certain number of yards. I did a post on this about the third way point of the season and again at the mid way point. This post will be a continuation and conclusion of this study.
Preview:
Now I took each run by a running back in the NFL this season and put it together in a handy spread sheet, now because of formatting and the sheer amount of data, I only included a few backs in this list, most of whom are some of the top backs in the league, as well as Moreno for perspective.
Here is the explanation I used for the previous two posts:
So I collected data from these backs, the abbreviation in () is what is on the table:
- Adrian Peterson (AP)
- Steven Jackson (SJ)
- MJD
- Rashard Mendenhall (RM)
- Frank Gore (FG)
- Arian Foster (AF)
- Darren McFadden (DMF)
- Chris Johnson (CJ)
- Cedric Benson (CB)
- Ahmad Bradshaw (AB)
- LeSean McCoy (LM)
- LaDainain Tomlinson (LT)
- Michael Turner (MT)
- Jamaal Charles (JC)
- Knowshon Moreno (KM)On the table, I include average YPC, Total Runs, then the runs are broken up into groups by by yardage, as well as the percentage each group makes up of the total runs. I then take their average, form a zone of +/- 2 YPC. For example, if a person averages 4 YPC, their average zone would be 2-6. I do this to see how often then reach this zone which is close to their average. This zone is used to see how often a back stays close to their average, and to separate backs into two types of rushers I set boundaries. When a back reaches majority of their rushes, more then 50% in their average zone, they are a "steady back", those who have less then 40% are considered "burst backs," those who get their average by balancing poor runs with big runs. Those with 40%-50% are "balanced backs."
The first table is a key. It includes the ranges for each class of backs (with number of each type in parenthesis) and a color code to identify what class of back each one is. Also included on this table will be a tally of those who either lead the good categories, in yellow, or are last in good categories. It is also vice versa, those who have a lower percentage of runs for less then one yard category for example would also get a yellow. I took the top two and bottom two of each area. So for example Jamaal Charles, his 35% of runs in his zone is the second worst among those studied, so he gets a red, but his 12% of runs for 11-20 yards is the leader, so he gets a yellow. Each groups total are listed in the first table.
The Tables:
Now I apologize, This is a copy of an image, not a spreed sheet, because when I try and transfer the colored version from Word or Excel to the SBN Editor, the colors go away, and since they are a key part of this post, I will go this way.
Review:
Burst Backs (0%-39%):
- Adrian Peterson
- Arian Foster
- Chris Johnson
- Ahmad Bradshaw
- Jamaal Charles
Balance Backs (40%-49%):
- Steven Jackson
- Darren McFadden
- Cedric Benson
- LeSean McCoy
- Michael Turner
- Knowshon Moreno
Steady Backs (50%-100%)
- MJD
- Rashard Mendenhall
- Frank Gore
- LaDainian Tomlinson
Notes:
- LaDainian Tomlinson wins the award for best percentage of runs being in zone with 58%. Adrian Peterson has the worst with 34%.
- If you want to lose yards, use a guy like Chris Johnson, one if every four runs is for less then a yard.
- You want to get 3-5 yards a play, use a "steady back," half of their runs are in that range.
- LaDainian Tomlinson and MJD lead the group for runs of three to five yards with 35% and 37% respectively. Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson did the worst here.
- It appears that "burst backs" have a high percentage in the 8-10, 11-20, and 20+ categories, but will almost always struggle to get positive yardage on their other runs.
- Foster is the exception, he has shown he can break it big, but he also is quite regular with keeping his runs our of the negative yardage with 63% of his runs for over 3 yards and 86% of his runs for positive yardage. Charles as well, with 29% of his runs for two yards or less and 71% for 3+ yards.
- Backs who appear to be overrated, or at least not living up to their name, include Steven Jackson, Chris Johnson, and Adrian Peterson.
- "Steady backs" usually have a lower YPC, but they are much more likely to get their average then a "burst back" would.
Best Tandems:
#1: Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs (NYG)
-They are by far the best group of backs, despite fumble issues. They compliment each other well, and while I didn't include Jacobs here because of space, both he and Bradshaw make the big runs and pound it in. Great, great tandem.
#2: Darren McFadden and Michael Bush (Oakland)
- This group is often overlooked, but McFadden is having a very solid season and Bush is quietly playing almost as well, especially at the goal line. With McFadden's big run ability, and Bush's power running, plus the big play, they are nearly perfect together.
#3: Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles (KC)
- This is pretty much a tie for #2 and #3, but because of the late season decline of Jones and Charles, they slip to the #3 spot. Charles is a beast when limited to less then 20 carries a game to keep him fresh, and Jones is the perfect compliment to him, a guy who won't break it big often, but you can almost guarantee he'll get 3-5 yards a carry, every time. They are a great, balanced duo.
Knowshon Moreno:
I have a special section for our special back. Now many have ridden Moreno for his average play this season and for his injury issues. Now I agree he is hampered by injuries, but looking over each of Moreno's runs and then rewatching his play this season, I believe he isn't getting his fair due of credit. Moreno only has 16% of his runs for less then a yard, compared to 26% for Chris Johnson or 21% for Rashard Mendenhall or Adrian Peterson. He is also dead on where most backs should be for runs between 3-5 yards, with 31%, or one in about three. Now the biggest surprise for most is that fact that 28% of his runs are for 6+ yards and 20% are for 8+ yards. He's got big run potential tied in nicely with the ability to not get trapped in the backfield. Moreno has issues, but he's played better then most fans think.
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Wow kind of shocked about Moreno
All those people calling him a bust are a bit off. Another season should give us a better idea of how good this guy can be.
Orton, Tebow, Quinn, who cares as long as the Broncos win.
Thank You for Posting This
I realize why some are disappointed with Moreno given where he was chosen in the draft. However, as your post points out, I think he has been unfairly labeled a bust when he isn’t even close to being one. Moreno has a knack for the end zone whenever he gets the ball near the goal line, and as your analysis points out, Moreno is more than a capable running back. Additionally, Moreno’s work in the passing game is fantastic—particularly on screen plays. Moreno’s blocking also improved substantially this season as compared to his rookie campaign.
Thankfully, from the remarks John Fox made concerning Moreno, I think Moreno has a bright future and major role moving forward within the Broncos’ offense.
I agree, Moreno is a solid back
He’s yet to prove he’s bad or great, but I think he can succeed in a two back system.
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by Topher Doll on Jan 16, 2011 12:06 AM MST up reply actions
yeah
hopefully some more continuity/experience on the OL and a coach who is more committed to running the ball can allow moreno to show everyone what he certainly seems to be capable of.
by bailey disciple on Jan 16, 2011 11:59 AM MST up reply actions
Nice job max
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Bad to inconsistent line blocking was the norm for the Broncos this year
Having said that it should also be noted that we started 3 rookies at times and had key people coming off injuries. Personally, I believe Moreno can be a very solid to outstanding back, one capable of a 1,000 yard plus season. It would be interesting to see how many of his carries included at least one hit in the backfield and that wouldn’t include the tacklers he made it past by busting a move on them.
Next year portends to be exceptionally balanced on the run/pass. Give us a good draft of D-linemen and a couple of FAs and we’ll be well on our way to annual playoff contention again, something we might have taken for granted some years back.
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With experience on the offensive line next season
I’m hoping to see what Moreno’s peak is, and from there we can make a final judgment, but after doing this post during the season, he’s a pretty solid, though not great yet, running back.
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by Topher Doll on Jan 16, 2011 12:08 AM MST up reply actions
Next great RB tandem? Knowshon Moreno/ DeAngelo Williams.
I believe in the kid and think with the ZBS we’ll be implementing under Magazu Moreno will thrive. He’s still not a homerun threat but if he can stay healthy I think he can easily have a 1,000 yrd season.
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I'm hoping so
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by Topher Doll on Jan 16, 2011 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
hey maxwell
what are deangelo williams’ numbers like?
given that everyone seems to have him mocked to denver to split carries with knowshon…
by bailey disciple on Jan 16, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions
He didn't fair to well
He was solid, and fit into the balanced back category, but struggled from runs for less then a yard. This season was hardly his best season, partly because of injury, but also because his production and reliability went down. He’s still a good back, but I don’t see him reaching the 1,000 yard mark again, or if he does, he will need a lot of carries to get there.
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in that case,
do we really want him?
by bailey disciple on Jan 16, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
He's good in a two back system
So I think him and Moreno wouldn’t rock the league, but it would be better then what we have now. The problem would be is both have injuries in their past, so it would be real tough if we lost one or both.
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+1
Great work! Keep it up!
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Only those uninformed would label Moreno a bust. It is hard for any RB to be effective if having to dodge a defender in the backfield on many carries like he did. It wasn’t until the OL got solidified and healthy did Moreno start having more effective runs, which is hardly a coincidence.
Moreno also got healthy around the time the line got it's act together as well
That worked out well in my opinion.
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Impressive as always my stat gathering friend
oh, and rec’d too.
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Thanks, glad we can be getting along a bit better then we did before
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plus I think we’ve came to a place where we understand each other & can respect the other’s viewpoint. I’m maturing as an MHRer, and I’m learning to curb my passion / enthusiasm just a tad.
Awesome job for showing our fellow bloggers the truth about my boy Knowshon. Do you not get the impression Max, that if Moreno could have a healthy off season / reg. season + improved O-Line play, he could go the frig off? I fully believe another RB added to the rotation would immensely help him as well (I’m not talking about Ball – I’m talking about a player that D’s would fear, DeAngelo Williams perhaps).
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 16, 2011 11:27 PM MST up reply actions
Moreno isn't the next great running back
But you don’t need great players to win games, you need a solid team, and Moreno would make a very reliabe running back, who would succeed greatly in a two back system that would help him stay fresh and away from injuries. Williams and Moreno would be a good combination, not great like the ones listed above, but they could create a viable running game that would be successful. Teams don’t need great to win, they need good, 53 good players are much easier to find then a Manning or Brady, and we are taking the steps to build a solid team that can contend.
Now if we could just fix that terrible defense…
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by Topher Doll on Jan 17, 2011 12:17 AM MST up reply actions
Great job Max...I think the duo of Williams and Moreno would be better than good, maybe not great....but very good....I am psyched for the season. Thanks again!
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No problem
With experience helping our offensive line, and hopefully adding a vet in FA, along with another running back, Williams, DeAngelo or Cadillac (Who did surprisingly well in his limited snaps), or another back, we could actually have a running game next season.
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Moreno will be deadly in zone. He's best assists are his quickness and his vision. Arguably elite in both. He couldnt use his vision dude to our bad line and also the power scheme.
In addition hamstring pulls are a really terrible injury. I pulled mine last year and it still linger to this day. I hope Moreno has better luck then me…















































