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Why the Josh McDaniels Era Has Only Just Begun

Let me start off by telling you that McDaniels comes from the Parcells coaching tree, a coaching group marked by discipline and excellence. He comes from the Bellichick Branch, which is one of many. McDaniels attempted to create a Bellichick roster, which stems from a Parcells roster. He did the same with the coaching staff. A non-Parcells coach could scrap McDaniels rebuilding process and start his own. That is why Fox could complete McDaniel's unfinished work the Pat Bowlen disrupted. Fox is keeping much of the coaching staff and roster intact, this includes the McDaniels aggressive offensive style. Mike McCoy is most likely the head coach in waiting, and would lead the team post-Fox. Studesville is the OC in waiting and would keep the McDaniels offense in Denver for years to come.

 

 

Conclusion: Let's look at all the players that McDaniels brought in or developed that should have an impact next year:

Tim Tebow

Knowshon Moreno

JD Walton

Zane Beadles

Brandon Lloyd

Jabar Gaffeney

 Demaryous Thomas

Eric Decker

Justin Bannan

Kevin Vickerson

 Joe Mays

Robert Ayers

Syd'Quan Thompson

Dan Gronkowski

 McDaniels created this and a coaching staff, so let's go along with his plan because of this, if we went into the rebuilding mode it would take 5-7 years to make this team a real juggernaut contender. I think all of us Broncos fans should let go of Rick Dennison and the old days.

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91 votes
No
77 votes

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McD is going to be a star in St. Louis!

I am going to miss him as the guru of our offense!

by isaiahkyler on Jan 18, 2011 6:57 PM MST reply actions  

I don’t think he was a “joke of a leader/head coach.” Many of the “controversial” decisions didn’t hurt Denver as much as everyone thought they would. I will admit that the Alphonzo Smith debacle on both ends was not handled well, however I can’t believe that Xanders had no part in that. As far as Peyton Hillis he is terrible in blitz pickup, which is key for an RB in the NE system. The players bought into what he was selling as well except for Cutler and Marshall.

by Ambivale on Jan 18, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

not enough time

if we gave him more time we would’ve got some better results, IMO. getting rid of him was a mistake, atleast so fast.

BRIAN ORAKPO, 19.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles in 31 games
ROBERT AYERS, 1.5 sacks, 1 forced fumbles in 26 games
*both came from the same draft class

by longhorn98 on Jan 18, 2011 10:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed, he's young, hardly a joke

He made a lot of mistakes, but he’ll be HC again sometime down the line, and by then will likely do a fine job. A great OC, no doubt, but he just wasn’t ready to coach yet in my opinion.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Jan 19, 2011 2:13 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

woh Nelly..

Funny how we never see you unless it is a McD conversation. Let it go dude. The McD era is over.

Bring back the Orange!

I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar

by timmaybronco on Jan 18, 2011 11:51 PM MST up reply actions  

He could have been a great head coach if he had been given the proper support.

The Broncos front office, imo, is the ones to blame for this entire mess. They bring in a young coach and essentially tell him you are in charge of EVERYTHING. How stupid!!! If they would have simply hired a good GM and allowed McD to simply coach, we would have never seen a season like 2010. Xanders and Ellis should have been fired since they are just as culpable as McD was.

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Jan 19, 2011 9:08 AM MST up reply actions   3 recs

He could have been a great head coach

If he only understood that W’s are the only thing that buy you tomorrow in this league. NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING after the first 6 games suggested that he would ever become a great coach.

by Flunkie on Jan 24, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Didn't you hear, Sam Bradford is being consider for a trade?

McD is looking to trade for Cassel.
Steven Jackson, Amendola, and Fells is up next.
And, of course McD wants to leave the defense alone.

Also, heared that he wanted to bring an excellent film crew with him.

by Negative Nelly? on Jan 18, 2011 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

we have a lot of "character guys" here

that he might be interested in. he might start by pickpocketing maroney from us…

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Jan 18, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions  

we are stacked at receiver

they are absolutely not. so wouldn’t be surprised if he’s thinking of dealing from our strongest unit.

Napoleon McDaniels

by RockyMountainHigh on Jan 18, 2011 10:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I will take this as sarcasm since McD has absolutely no say in trades!

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Jan 19, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't ever come down from your 10,000' view

Your superficial position makes your posts even more hilarious.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting voting results

through the first 40 votes. 2/3 for the plan, 1/3 against. How much is the immediate effect of reading the article, how much is the negative affect of associating the plan with McD, etc. No point here…just contemplating my naval. I would have thought the results would skew more toward the 50/50 scenario. (I voted to stay the course.)

by idahobronc on Jan 18, 2011 8:08 PM MST reply actions  

Meh, not as great of offense as some hope

As HC in both seasons the offense was mediocre. Didnt we hover around the 20th rank?

by Calikula on Jan 18, 2011 8:12 PM MST reply actions  

No way...

You got a link for that? I bet it was in yards, because our redzone offense was atrocious (except the final 3)

by Calikula on Jan 18, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually we had a pretty solid offense the whole season

Ranked 19th in PPG, 13th in yards, 14th in 1st downs per game. And our RZ hovered in the high teens the whole season.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Jan 19, 2011 2:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Let's compare the McD Guru Offense...

2010 Offensive yards per Game – 348.9 – Ranked 13th
2010 Offensive points per game – 21.5 – Ranked 19th

2008 Offensive yards per Game – 395.8 – Ranked 2nd
2010 Offensive points per game – 23.1- Ranked 16th

And, I wonder why McD changed the entire offense and left the defense alone.

by Negative Nelly? on Jan 18, 2011 9:57 PM MST up reply actions  

The starting O-line

didn’t even start their first game together until week 10. Prior to that, the running game averaged about 66 YPG. After the starters began to play at their respective positions, the running game shot up to about 166 YPG.

Sorry to bore you with relevant facts. I suppose all those injuries were McD’s fault, aye?

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Gentleman

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2011 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Of all those players LLoyd is the only bonafied probowler

And the rest are average guys that MAY or MAY NOT develop into solid NFL starters… McD was way over his head and the lack of production from players he drafted is telling. Thomas has potential but never shined like Dez Bryant or Mike Williams…. Tebow didnt start until week 13 and was a mixed bag… Beadles and Walton struggled mightily, Moreno is injury prone and the rest are average to below average guys…. If thats his legacy I think its time to rebuild…

by Mike Riley322 on Jan 18, 2011 8:19 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

He did less with better picks than most coaches/GMs in the league would have done. So there is that.

My fantasy hockey team sucks. But at least I'm not a Red Wing sellout.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 19, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Fox is keeping much of the coaching staff and roster intact, this includes the McDaniels aggressive offensive style.

I think it is far too early to say how much of the roster stays intact. Roster size goes up for the offseason and bonuses aren’t usually due until at least March, so there is little need to start cutting anyone yet…I think it will be some time before we get a glimpse at how much the roster turns over.

by poorboywilly on Jan 18, 2011 8:21 PM MST reply actions  

I think Fox is gonna be his own man...

I don’t think he needs to ride the coattails of McD. To suggest that Fox, a guy that has been around the league since McD was 12 years old, will follow a plan set up by McD (a relative newcomer) is kind of ridiculous. He may utilize some of the same staff and he will be forced to utilize most of the players, but he will make the Broncos into HIS team and coach HIS philosophy. I guarantee you that we have seen the last of the 60%/40% pass/run ratio.

But I do agree…the Josh McD era is not over. We will see the ramifications of his poor 2009 draft and other questionable moves for a couple of years yet. Thank God the worst is over.

"They are who we thought they were!"
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by gcman on Jan 18, 2011 8:34 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Personnel might be similar

Sanders learned his craft under McD, so the draft day crazy trade downs aren’t over.

by Broncoz on Jan 18, 2011 8:37 PM MST reply actions  

Is that you Josh?

"You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!"

"He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."

by CraftyB on Jan 18, 2011 8:50 PM MST reply actions  

well, it's not a total disaster.

but really, the list of McD players is pretty so-so for someone who ran the last two years’ drafts—and you cherry picked his ‘great’ moves at that. I’d be surprised if most GMs and/or head coaches with the picks and money he spent couldn’t have built up better personnel.

I'm not sugarcoating this.

by oxmouth on Jan 18, 2011 8:54 PM MST reply actions  

+10000

Wile E. Coyote had plans too. Josh McDaniels, Sooper Geenyuz

"You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!"

"He's like a man with a fork in a world of soup."

by CraftyB on Jan 18, 2011 9:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Lol

Lots of Acme products

by Calikula on Jan 19, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes you did miss a couple of things...

…trading away a playoff caliber quarterback and squandering the draft picks associated with that trade, and then there’s McFilmgate. Goodbye and good riddance to our infant HC.

by mazekl on Jan 18, 2011 10:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh geez, playoff caliber quarterback? Did you read the article by Rick Reilly? You really want that guy on your squad? Ridiculous. We wouldn’t have done any better with Cutler, it might have made for somewhat more exciting games but likely not a better record.

by Ambivale on Jan 18, 2011 10:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Playoff caliber QB . . . LOL! You have got to be kidding me. I think I just wet myself! LOL!!!!!!

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Jan 19, 2011 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Who went 4-12 this past season? The team McGenius put together or Cutler?

My fantasy hockey team sucks. But at least I'm not a Red Wing sellout.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 19, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Cutler is in the playoffs with training wheels on

The reason they’re there is the defense that keeps them in games and some of Martz’s magic in getting Cutler away from the pocket to give him time to deliver the ball. They have 2 RBs that have been healthy and productive all year long.

Don’t forget McBob: the Bears are a team that Orton and Grossman could take to the Superbowl.

As far as the Broncos, read my response to Shy below. Losing a checkdown receiver (Marquez Branson,) a short yardage back (LenDale White,) and the best pass-rusher in the league (Doom) were critical for the offense and the defense. Having to use 11 different combinations of O-linemen in the first half of the year because of injuries did nothing to establish continuity or convert on 3rd downs. It also affected the running game.

If you look at the whole picture objectively instead of using an anti-McD bias, you’ll realize that there was a lot of misfortune with this team at the onset.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:20 PM MST up reply actions  

the same could be said with your anti-cutler bias...

look at the numbers he put up this season…very comparable to Orton in almost every category…excepting INT’s and yds/gm. And…had a great game in his first ever playoff game…no training wheels needed. Say what you will, but with the subpar O-line play in Chicago (sacked 52 times!), Cutler had a pretty darn good year. He has grown as a QB considerably year. I wonder what he could have done with McD…a shame we never found out. That being said…he is a petulant, mopey, brat. I miss his arm and ability, but don’t miss the attitude.

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by gcman on Jan 19, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions  

His first playoff game was against a 7-9 team

that played out of their minds the week before and took advantage of a team that had key injuries. Several commentators stated that that Wildcard game was an aberration and there is a chance they were right.

Cutler threw a few horrible passes against the Seahawks, one of which should’ve been a 99 yard pick-6. I’ll be watching the Packers game with great interest this Sunday.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

you are right...it was against a 7-9 team that beat the defending champs

the week before…so…they weren’t exactly pushovers. And at this point in the season, virtually every team has key injuries. And generally, every QB has a few passes that they wish they could get back. But Cutler made the plays and did it in pretty dominating fashion. But I get ya…huge game against GB coming up…won’t be as easy because GB is the real deal. Now there is a team that has overcome numerous key injuries and is thriving. Maybe he reverts to past form…or maybe a star is born (Elway’s star was born during a conference championship). Time will tell.

"They are who we thought they were!"
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by gcman on Jan 19, 2011 9:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Injuries are simply lame excuses in all cases. Branson? Please, who knows what type of NFL player he will turn into? White? Give me a break, if LenDale “twinkies” White was supposed to save our season we’re in a world of hurt. And yes, Doom was huge. But Robert “One Sack” Ayers was supposed to help fill that void, no?

I’m not denying that Chicago has a much better D than we do. But the fact that our D is still bottom of the barrel after two offseasons of McIneptitude speaks volumes about what he did to, not for, our franchise. And, although I’m not convinced that Cutler is the second coming or anything, he did have a good year behind a suspect O-Line and with much less talent at WR than we have. That has to be saying something, eh?

Fact is, the score between Cutler and McD after two years is as follows:

Cutler: NFC Title game
McD: Two years of decline, leading a team to it’s lowest point in 40 years, and getting rightfully fired.

Sorry, but Cutler won. It sucks for us, but Cutler won.

And PS: Don’t ever call me McBob again. Cutlerpower. ;)

My fantasy hockey team sucks. But at least I'm not a Red Wing sellout.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

As another PS: Here is what I find particularly amusing in all of this. The rally cry of the McD loving/Cutler bashing crowd post Cutler trade was as follows: Orton is a winner, Cutler isn’t. Now that Cutler is winning, of course none of it should be attributed to him. Also, a very common theme was “Cutler is gone, let him go, and if you still root for him you hate the Broncos.” Well, McD is gone, he did far more to hurt this franchise than Cutler ever did, please everyone, let the guy go. Or are so many of you really more McD fans than Bronco fans?

My fantasy hockey team sucks. But at least I'm not a Red Wing sellout.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions  

What’s the matter? You can dish it but you can’t take it?

After witnessing hundreds of your anti-McD rants coupled with smug remarks about him as a person, and the countless McNicknames he’s been given by the McD bashers, I’m here to have you know that this ship has sailed – enough already with the borderline slander on the guy.
 
McD was hired because he was a young, up-and-coming technocrat. No doubt he probably reminded Bowlen of a young Shanahan. And he though that McD would be the one to turn the team around. The problem was, this was a lazy and inept attempt at solving the problem at hand. One man cannot do it alone, regardless of how energetic and intelligent he is. He fired Shanny for having too much power, only to replace him with a young unknown and give him essentially the same power? I place the blame mostly on Bowlen, because at his age, he ought to have more wisdom than this. McD did what he knew, which was limited by what he saw from his mentor, BB. You can’t rationally blame him for being anything but himself. This hiring was a bad judgement call and all the McD-bashers need to realize it.
 
McD made his share of mistakes and I am not here to defend him. I did not agree with all of his decisions, but I will not stand by and watch someone who gave it his all, to turn this dismal team around, from the one left behind by his predecessor. (That offense was 16th in scoring and the running game had been regressing each year for about 4 years before Shanny was fired, so I don’t want to hear about how McD destroyed the offense.)

Branson may be a no-name to some guy in Boulder, but he caught everything that was thrown to him in TC. Wouldn’t it have been nice to have him on the field in September and October, while CBuck was out due to his back injury? Say what you will about White, but he looked ready in preseason. He played well against one of the best defenses in the league in preseason week 3, the Steelers. Yes it was preseason, but the starters played 3 quarters in that game and White was not being tackled by 2nd or 3rd stringers. For all the flak aimed at McD for the Hillis trade for Brady Quinn, the short yardage solution was addressed in the offseason, via White from Seattle. Doom being out is self-explanatory.
 
Cutler vs McD. You can’t compare a coach to a player, it is not a 1 to 1 comparison. You can compare other players to Cutler, but not the coach. Do you know anything about schemes? Do you understand or realize how critical it is that you have the right O-line, QB, RB, and TE in order to run it? Do you know the difference between the Earhardt-Perkins scheme and the WCO that was present in January 2009?
 
Bowlen hired a coach versed in a different scheme, and that resulted in a scheme change, which to some extent required some different players than what Denver had available. After Cutler pouted his way out of Denver, with Hamilton on his last legs and Wiegmann incapable of gap-blocking, there was going to need to be a change in the middle of the O-line. Even if Shanny had stayed, Hamilton and Wiegmann would’ve continued to regress over ‘09 or ’10, so whether you realize it or not, change was coming irrespective of who was the HC.
 
Don’t expect Cutler to have a great game this Sunday. His opponent will not be a 7-9 team from the worst division in football. The Packers are the team Lovie Smith tried his best to keep out of the playoffs and failed. The ball will have to bounce their way and perhaps get some help from the zebras in order for the Bears to win.
 
PS. I won’t call you McBob any more if you agree to withold the McGenius bombs. Deal?
 
Oh and one more thing. I laughed at the Cutlerpower name. You know as well as I do that those two words just don’t go together. If he has a bad day this weekend, the Cutler lovers will never hear the end of it!

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 20, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

HP

I really think you took the totallity of my post way too serious. I’m glad you took the Cutlerpower as a joke, it was, and frankly, I could care less if you call me McBob or if anyone uses terms like McGenius, etc. “Borderline slander” is getting way overdramatic, however. I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think anything I’ve written is borderline illegal.

I totally agree with your first real paragraph of significance above. What Bowlen and Ellis did in hiring McD and giving him complete control was insane. Especially after they were supposedly trying to get away from what they had with Shanny. As to the rest, we are living in a results driven world and, rightly or wrongly, in sports instant results are becoming more valued. And McD, based on results, failed miserably as a defacto GM and as a head coach. I’m old enough to know that I watched one of the worst Bronco teams of all-time last season. It wasn’t pretty no matter how you slice it.

I think Green Bay will win Sunday because they have a much better team, including at QB. I’m not in love with Cutler by any stretch of the imagination. I’m just glad the McD experiment is over.

My fantasy hockey team sucks. But at least I'm not a Red Wing sellout.

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 20, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Wunderbar

Truce then.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 20, 2011 7:53 PM MST up reply actions  

The sad part is the Chicago Offense is much worse than what we have even now

just this season he was sacked more times then he ever was as a bronco and they still managed the playoffs.

by ShyandObese on Jan 19, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

They didn't suffer the number of injuries that Denver did - that was a factor too

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:13 PM MST up reply actions  

did you watch the nfc

championship game? sure looked playoff caliber to me

Shakespeare sang air on air, so I sung. Shakespeare turned dust to dust, so to my life.

by grind_core on Jan 24, 2011 12:19 AM MST up reply actions  

broncoman

Realism is not valued by McD enthusiast. Please carry on.

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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 19, 2011 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

So did shanny keep the Wade Phillips plan?

I mean a significant portion of the SB rosters were acquired under Phillips of Reeves, so does that mean we need to thank Phillips and Reeves for the two titles since he used their plan? NO! Shanny took the talent that he inherited and worked it into his system/plan adding key pieces here and there. That is what a good coach does.

I think Fox is being smart with a couple of variables that you are over looking. McCoy was influenced by Fox far more than McD since he coached for Fox for more than 2 years. Also with the impending work stoppage it was wise to keep some coaches for continuity so things can run smoother when the stoppage is over. If there was no work stoppage and our OC had no ties to Fox I think the staff would look much different.

If you want to look to history on how this strategy has been successful look at what Admiral Nimitz did when he took over the Pacific fleet following Pearl Harbor. He did not initially replace Kimmels entire staff, he did it slowly over time to keep continuity of leadership, thus allowing him to get his plans in place faster. It was this move, obviously among others, that helped change our fortunes in the PTO.

by LuckyCast on Jan 18, 2011 10:43 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

actually...Shanny and co. acquired significant assets to build

the Super Bowl teams. Go back and take a look at who we got in free agency over those years. But your point is still valid.

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by gcman on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

He is not a good GM . . .

but then again, he should have never been put in that position to begin with. Bowlen and Ellis screwed the pooch on that one.

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

McD never should have

taken the responsibility. Xanders was the GM right? I have a feeling that McD pushed very hard to have that responsibility. So…I still put a good majority of the blame on McD. He is NOT an innocent bystander in the whole fiasco. Bowlen and Ellis do share some of the blame though for not enforcing their structure.

"They are who we thought they were!"
gcman on twitter

by gcman on Jan 19, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Your argument works with the new regime

It doesn’t look like it’s hard to push Xanders over. It appears that all decisions from now on will be made by way of a “consensus,” which will include Xanders, Fox, and Elway. This is coming from the horse’s mouth (Elway) during the announcement that he will be Executive VP of Football Operations.

If McD elbowed his way to making personnel decisions, then Elway and Fox appear to be headed down that same road. And Xanders seems just as spineless now as he must have been during McD’s tenure.

You along with all of the other McD haters in here are allowing your hatred for McD to blame him for everything. McD reported to Bowlen along with Xanders. If McD was going too far, Xanders should’ve spoken up so Bowlen could settle it.

Instead of sharing decision making power, Bowlen allowed (enabled) McD to try to do everything. I suppose that’s McD’s fault too? Enough already.

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not blaming McD for everything,..but IMO he deserves the larger share of the blame than Bowlen/Xanders.

Now…I could say “You and all the McD lovers/apologists are trying to absolve McD of any blame by suggesting that the structure of the FO created the mess we are in”…but I won’t.

I will say that it probably falls somewhere in between…who knows exactly where. But as a fan and observer…my uninformed opinion really means nothing…I just know that I feel better about where we are right now…than where we were with McD. I believe that sometimes people bite off more than they can chew…and I think that is what happened with McD.

"They are who we thought they were!"
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by gcman on Jan 19, 2011 9:20 PM MST up reply actions  

You're actually getting close to the truth for once
I will say that it probably falls somewhere in between

This is not hard. If you’re a 64 year old owner and use your COO friend Ellis to help run the organization, you don’t just fire Shanahan because he had too much power and the team is headed nowhere, only to replace him with a first time 32 year old, and essentially give / allow him the same powers you just fired Shanny for.

The 64 year old ought to know better, don’t you think?

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein

by Horsepower on Jan 19, 2011 9:27 PM MST up reply actions  

omfg...!

McLovers need to give it a rest. Seriously! The rationale is just unbelievable. I can see the Broncos finally winning a SuperBowl within the next decade and having some McFan foaming at the mouth and going on a man-love rant about how it was all part of McDaniels’ Master Plan (that he would have personally completed if not for the evil Bowlenator and the ignorant, unwashed masses of non-believing Broncomaniacs). McDaniels was a disaster. We got rid of him. Good riddance to bad trash. Fox and the Front Office are retaining the McDaniels offensive staff to maintain continuity in system for Tim Tebow. Those are smart moves. They are not an endorsement of McDaniels, or any “system” McCheerl;eaders wish to credit him with. So, please, take that Ritalin and step away from the keyboard…:)

by MoB.DeadMeat on Jan 24, 2011 11:44 AM MST reply actions  

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