From The Fan Posts: Mock Draft 1.0: The Basics
by Nick Cast on Jan 20, 2011 8:58 AM MST
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PrintAs I logged onto MileHighReport the other day, 2 things occurred to me.
1. The football season is over and it might not be back for awhile thanks to the pending lockout.
This angers me beyond words. I understand that players don't want to play 2 extra games. I understand that the owners want to make more money. I understand that both are at an impasse. I just don't care. Football is the most popular sport in America, not to mention the most profitable. Fans like us spend our free time and devote it to going to websites like this to talk about our favorite football team. I truly believe it is "Millionaires vs Billionaires." I'll address this issue in more detail in a future post.
2. I am one of the few people who has not done a mock draft. It's a little ironic since I've been doing an entire series on the 2011 NFL Draft Prospects. So far I've covered Nose Tackles and Cornerbacks. Next week, I think I'll begin covering the 4-3 Defensive lineman. Anyway, Sayre has a 5 mock lead on me and it's time to jump on the mock wagon. It's my favorite time of year: Draft season.
As you can tell from the title of this post, it is going to be a basic mock. No trades, no free agents. Straight up picks and analysis. So let's jump right into it.
1st Round, Pick #2
Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson
This is THE pick. We cannot afford to pick a bust with this pick. For me, it comes down to Bowers, Peterson, and trading down. I know that a lot of people love Nick Fairley, but I am not one of them. He has been labeled lazy, dirty, and all sorts of other words you don't want to hear about a potential high prospect. I truly believe Fairley will be the next Albert Haynesworth. While he may be talented, he won't be worth the headache.
I really like Patrick Peterson. I think he will be a shut down corner his entire career, but I can't help but like Bowers. Bowers is a one year wonder who sometimes quits on plays, but he exploded in his junior year. He is the best pass rusher in this draft. I will likely switch Peterson and Bowers multiple times throughout the off season, but for this one, I'll assume Bowers' athleticism was too much for Fox to pass.
Bowers has elite athleticism. He's got good size at 6 ft 4, 280 pounds and long arms too. He's got a good burst and explosion. He's got a ton of potential. He is a guy who could be a pro bowl 4-3 DE if he puts in the time and effort. His junior year is evidence of that. He put in extra time and effort after his sophomore year and it paid off as he finished his junior year with 16 sacks and 25 tackles for loss. I realize we have Dumervil and Ayers, but Doom is returning from injury and there is no guarantee that Ayers will be any more effective in the 4-3 then he was in the 3-4. You can never have enough good pass rushers.
Da'Quan Bowers vs. Florida State (2010)
2nd Round, Pick 36
Aaron Williams, CB, Texas
Champ is a free agent, Perrish Cox could go to jail, and Goodman was unable to stay healthy this season. It is imperative that the Broncos add more depth to the cornerback position now. Woody Paige said he has heard that Champ will either be resigned or franchised for next year. So it appears Champ will be in orange and blue next year. However, after next year, Champ's future is a big question mark and I would prefer not to be forced to draft a rookie in 2011 and start him. Drafting a CB this year, letting him learn behind Champ for a year, and letting him start in 2011 would be a good move.
Williams is a very underrated player because he played for a Texas team that was not very good this year.
Williams is 6 ft 1, 195 pounds with good speed. He is athletic and has shown some pretty good technique. He has displayed the ability to turn and run. He is a willing run defender and a pretty good tackler. He has good instincts and ball skills. He has displayed good instincts. He has had some inconsistent production, but he is a very good prospect who has a bright future.
Aaron Williams vs. Nebraska ('09)
2nd Round, Pick # 46
Brian Dawkins doesn't have much left in the tank. He was not even close to the same player he was in 09. This might be his final season. Renaldo Hill had a mediocre year as well. Darcel McBath can't stay healthy and David Bruton's future at safety is a big question. The Broncos could probably use 2 new safeties in the draft.
Sash is one of the best safeties in this class. He has good size at 6 ft 1, 210 pounds, although he will probably need to bulk up a little to take the beatings the NFL has to offer. In 3 years at Iowa, he got 13 interceptions. He finished his career with 216 tackles. He has terrific instincts and excels in zone coverage. He needs help in man to man coverage and his tackling technique needs work, but he has the potential to be a very good safety. A lot of people compare him to John Lynch (because he is white), but he has better ball skills then John Lynch. He is also not as good of a hitter as Lynch. Sash gives the Broncos a young, up and coming safety.
Tyler Sash 2008 Iowa Season Highlights
3rd Round, Pick # 67
Mark Herzlich, LB, Boston College
Truthfully, I might want Mark Herzlich more then any other prospect. He's a fiery leader who is the epitome of hard work, determination, and intensity. It just so happens that the Broncos are likely headed to a 4-3 scheme, need more talented linebackers, and lack leadership. Herzlich is well known for having a rare bone cancer. He fought and beat it. He played his senior year and finished with 311 career tackles, 7 forced fumbles, and 11 interceptions.
As I've mentioned before, he is a fiery leader. We need leadership on defense more then we ever have. Dawkins is not going to be around for much longer. Mark has the character traits and he plays the most important position, the middle linebacker. He has a good frame coming in at 6 ft 4, 238 pounds. He is a great hitter, has great instincts and doesn't miss many tackles. The downside is that he will be 24 in September, doesn't have very good quickness, and was not the same player in 2010 that he was in 2008 before he had cancer.
The positives far out-weigh the negatives in my mind. We need more talented linebackers and leadership. Herzlich fits both criteria.
Mark Herzlich vs. Clemson (2010)
6th Round
Jordan Cameron, TE, USC
As a USC fan, I can tell you that Jordan Cameron's stats are not indicative of what he is capable of. He started just 1 year for the Trojans and caught 16 passes for 126 yards and 1 touchdown. Cameron is a mismatch waiting to happen. He stands at 6 ft 5, 235 pounds. He has elite athleticism and it will show at the combine. My bet is that he runs a 4.7 40 yard dash and at least a 35 inch vertical leap.
He isn't a very good blocker and he is very raw, but his athleticism, big body, and upside make him an attractive late round option. Tim loved to throw to his tight end in college. It is important that we give him a big target who can make plays that Dan Graham and Rich Quinn couldn't dream of.
USC TE/WR #84 Jordan Cameron Highlights 2010
7th Round
Chapas is one of the great lead blockers available in this years draft. He is a traditional fullback who loves to hit people. He's got good size at 6 ft 2, 240 pounds. He's physical, capable of picking up a blitz, and is pretty versatile. He can catch passes and is an effective short yardage back when asked. Fullback is an underappreciated position. They can be the difference between a 15 yard gain and a 3 or 4 yard gain. Larsen is adequate, but he has his weaknesses. Chapas played with Moreno at Georgia. I would love for Moreno to get his lead blocker back. You can't ask for much more in the 7th.
Know your Dawgs Shaun Chapas
This concludes my first mock draft. Here is a quick recap:
1st round Pick # 2- DE Da'Quan Bowers
2nd round Pick # 36- CB Aaron Williams
2nd round Pick #46- S Tyler Sash
3rd round Pick #67- LB Mark Herzlich
6th round- TE Jordan Cameron
7th round- FB Shaun Chapas
As you can see, all of the early picks were used to improve the defense. Bowers should help improve our anemic pass rush. Williams is a talented guy who could start as a nickel or maybe even start outside. Sash is a very instinctive safety who adds depth to a position of need. Herzlich adds talent and leadership to our mediocre linebackers. Cameron gives Tebow a big target and Chapas is a lead blocker for Moreno. I would be very happy if our draft turned out like this. What do you guys think?
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I Really
like these no nonsense mock drafts. All the speculation is fun but I still want to see who everyone thinks we might draft with a more realistic approach. As most on MHR, I too am having a hard time not wanting to draft Peterson but also know that the Broncos biggest problem over many many years has been the pass rush not the DB’s. I have always been of the mind to take the best player available with only a slight look towards need so from what I know, Peterson would be my pick but I love the Bowers or Fairly.
All I know is that we can not trade back further than the 5th pick and still get a quality impact player and we need that on the defense sososososos bad.
From what I've heard and read...
Peterson is a playmaker and an impact player (elite). I also saw that in Fairley this year especially in a high pressure game like the National Championship…The old adage…What’s a mother-to-do comes into play here and who we pick imo must be an instant starter no doubt. He can’t be a developmental project with the bucks being dished out…Strange as it may sound, who do we (Fox&Co.) trust to get the job done? DE/DTs we have on board or SS/FS/DBs we have? The glaring need that I see is “Pass Rush” at the moment and I still believe that was big part of our failures on defense. What I’m saying is, we have have Peterson in one hand and Fairley in the other…Mmm. Which one will we take depending on who Carolina takes?
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
If we want to trade, we have a very narrow window. The furthest we should trade is #6 overall.
The top prospects in this years draft are Fairley, Bowers, Peterson, Dareus, Green, and Amukamara. So at #6, we will likely be able to get Amukamara or Dareus.
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nice mock buddy
I love simple.
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only thing that scares me is
There is only one DL on the board. I would take Paea instead of your boy from Texas… but honestly what do I know.
by valas40 on Jan 20, 2011 8:01 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I agree
I would love to see us take DT. We need to start building this team from the inside out. Teams with good defenses usually have good interior dlineman and a strong middle linebacker.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Jan 20, 2011 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with you RMT and failures start up front...
For instance we say that Reynaldo Hill or Nate Jones don’t play very well, but I believe this could be a misnomer without passrush pressure. I have noticed their play when pressure was on and it was good. Then again when the pressure is off the seemed to us to have sucked on the play. Nobody (Peterson or whoever) in the world can cover a receiver well when the QB has 5 to 6 seconds to stand around in the pocket. We must get real with our evaluations of players and not take it for granted that they suck or are no good…It all starts up front and I believe Fox when he came into the interview pointed out a lot of different areas (up front, scheme, playcalling, ect…) that need to be looked at and evaluated for upgrades…
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions
unfortunately not
we couldn’t be that lucky. I love that big Maori warrior, and would love him on our team (Dareus or Fua too).
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Paea will probably go to NE with the Raider pick at #17.
Funny how our two 2nd round picks could get us to that spot. You know how NE likes to trade down. We have many needs and not enough picks to fill them all, but I think Paea would be worth it. Especially if a new CBA is signed before the draft so we can dump Orton for a pick, FOR THIS YEAR. If it is not signed until after the draft the only way to get anything for Orton for this year is a player swap. Otherwise it will be a future pick. Maybe that would be best. It would be a pending pick and if Orton starts(which I think he would) our pick would probably be a 2nd rounder.
Why?
They have Big Vince and Paea doesnt fit the 3-4 very well except in a Wade Phillips scheme.
by Jake Edmisten on Jan 20, 2011 9:58 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
IDK Jake
Sometimes the ones you never expect are the ones to do it. I will say this, Paea has more than enough strength to play in a 3-4 line.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
He's on the short side though
Those extra inches help with both pass deflections and seeing the RB coming up the middle. Pats are one of the few 3-4’s where he would be tied as the shortest.
OK, so NE may not need him.
but my point was we could move to that spot by giving up our two 2nd round picks, if we wanted to.
so true
I’d love to have him too. When that man matures fully, it’s going to be scary for those AFC North offenses. I love Samoans & Tongans, I want about four of them on our team for my Christmas present.
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I thought about that
but Bowers playing at DE with Ayers and Doom is a really good rotation. Marcus Thomas and Bannan are very capable of playing DT’s with Vickerson as a rotational guy.
I would take Paea if he was available in the 2nd, but I really don’t think he will.
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Like a lot of the picks. I do wish more people would mock draft for a 3-4. I really don’t think that Fox was hired because “he has a scheme that makes it ok to gut the defensive roster for the 2nd time in two years”.
Also — even we do go 4-3, the Bowers risk that I see is that he is a contract year player. Not a one-year wonder but a guy who only plays when there is a big payday. A great year as a senior in high school (to get the best scholarships) – a great year in 2010 (to raise his draft payday). Other than that, he has really underachieved. Motivating a guy like this is gonna be tough
Remember yibberat..we have more 4-3 DL types than 3-4 types, so no gutting
What we need are impact LB’s and this is not the year.
At #2 give me BPA. Today that is Patrick Peterson.
How do we have 4-3 types? If Bowers is picked at #2, he is gonna replace either Ayers or Doom. And we certainly have no 4-3 DT’s on our team. The closest might be Bannan — except he is 31 and didn’t exactly bust the doors in a 4-3 in Buffalo — 5 years ago. And if you say we don’t have the LB’s either? Then who do we have?
Thanks yibberat
I’ll be doing a future mock where it’s from the perspective that we are staying in the 3-4.
Bowers could very well be a “contract year player”. Fairley would fit that bill too. I would not be disappointed in the least if we passed on Bowers for Peterson.
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I like it
No fluff, no muff, no “let’s trade our first and magically get 5 picks” or “let’s trade orton for 3 picks” and I ESPECIALLY like that you don’t mention trading: royal, lloyd, champ, or knowshon.
On top of that, all your picks are great. i think my mouth waters a little bit when i think “Doom, and bowers…..and herz and dj……….”
Thanks jumpslash
You won’t see me trading Lloyd, Royal, Champ, or Knowshon at all. I don’t support any of those trades.
The only trades I would support are Orton and Gaffney.
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Finally! LOL
To me your mocks are right up there at the top. Good work.
I tune in mostly for lower round picks lately. We all know the top guys. Interested in lower round guys. Wish we had more. Especially a 4th and a 5th. I see you went Chapas. Love it. Great receiver too. Larsen lost me on one major missed block. Don’t remember when. An upgrade is needed, bad!
I know Sash is a riser, but 46? I like others above him if we’re going S that high. If he lasts till #67, fine.
Love the analysis on CB. Cox should be back along with Goodman. Both have question marks though. Good news on Champ. One more year at least is my hope. Need a CB in the draft somewhere this year. #2 works for me. When scouts say once in a decade prospect, you have to listen a little bit. Especially in a area of need. I know we have other needs too, but IMO nobody as a “can’t miss” at those positions. Now you want to do another already with Peterson, don’t you? HaHa
lol
You know me so well Dig. I’ll surely have a mock next week with Peterson in place for Bowers now haha
I believe the block Larsen lost you on was on monday night football against SD. He was supposed to come across and block a guy but he totally whiffed.
Sash is a 2-3 round prospect. If we don’t pick him at #46, we won’t get him at all. Which safeties would you put above Sash? McDaniel? Williams? Moore?
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Good mock and I like the no-trade aspect.
My understanding is there can be no trades until after a deal is signed and that may not happen until well after the draft anyway. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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I believe you are correct
We are likely going to have to rely on our current picks and limited pick for pick trades.
not that it will happen, and very doubtful as well
but IF all of our picks were all superstars in the waiting, I would say even with the limited number of picks, it probably would be the best overall draft ever.
But it won’t happen, which is why having limited picks sucks. lol
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I believe you are wrong here,
There is no player movement, nothing was said about pick movement.
by Jake Edmisten on Jan 20, 2011 10:00 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I mean. A lot of the mocks factor in possible trades of Orton, DJ, or even Champ.
Is that possible or do we have to wait until a new CBA is reached?
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by MrFNSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:25 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Just picks for picks,
Don’t expect alot of player trades… Orton will likely net us a conditional 2012 pick.
by Jake Edmisten on Jan 20, 2011 10:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Can't trade players until a new CBA is reached. You are correct.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 20, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
Thanks
You are correct. No trades or free agents until CBA gets signed.
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I know
For next year, I think Marcus Thomas, Justin Bannan, Kevin Vickerson, and a free agent will be an sufficient rotation if the draft were to go this way.
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Good stuff Nick
I really like some of the picks. Like you, I’m skeptical of Bowers. I just hope he doesn’t turn it on and off whenever a scholarship/contract is on the line. As for the rest of the draft, I really don’t know much about Williams, but I know I love me some Sash! Herzlich has long been one of my favorites.
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Thanks man
You love Tyler Sash? Huh. Never would have guessed.
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Nick
I agree with your sentiment that it is Bullsnot with the lockout, and agree it looks like we are headed towards one, however I don’t think it will last very long. Baseball was America’s pasttime before their lockout…. then the fans never viewed it teh same again, I doubt the NFL will want to take that risk.
Anyhow, I agree with all your picks and would love this draft with one exceptiong, Bowers. I was a huge Bowers, Dequan, Fairley fan for being drafted by us. But I think there are some fine DT and NT’s available in free agency that are more than just a bandaid. If we can get one of those, I am stuck on Peterson!
Upgrade our front 7, and our DB’s instantly get better imho! Peterson could start by being our nickelback, and if he beats Goodie out, or in the event Goodie gets injured, he can replace him. If Goodie doesn’t get injured and he still beats him out, well, Goodie can play nickel.
I think with this draft, we have the potential (as long as we can get some good free agents for our front 7…. starters and depth), of turning our D around in Denver!
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Broncs55
The whole CBA thing really pisses me off. It’s ridiculous and selfish.
I love Peterson too. He’ll be in my next mock draft. The front 7 needs to be upgraded. The thing I’m noticing is that a lot of mocks out don’t have Denver upgrading their LB’s and we desperately need more talent in the LB’s if we move to a 4-3. DJ and Woodyard might be the only 4-3 LB’s on our team. So linebackers are a area to look at in the draft.
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2nd Round is a little early for Sash I think
I like your Cameron Jordan Pick…he is an interesting prospect..will he even get drafted do you think?
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it may be a reach
however I don’t believe it to be a big reach. If Sash were to be picked up here, I think that is the case of taking the best player available in a position of need. Not necessarily just taking the BPA
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Sash is a 2-3 round prospect. I think after he goes through the combine, interviews, senior bowl, etc, he will be a mid 2nd prospect.
Cameron Jordan is a raw guy but could be a big time player. I do think he will get drafted. He has been one of the best prospects at the East-West Shrine Practices. He could be a big time riser after the combine.
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You say we can't afford to mess up our first pick,
But then you turn around a pick the biggest boom or bust player in the draft? I don’t understand the logic there.
There likely will be little free agency, and you leave a gaping whole in the middle of our 4-3. You selected a grand total of 0 defensive tackles. Jamaal Williams won’t be effective in this scheme and Vickerson was cut from 2 average 4-3 teams for a reason. Thomas wasn’t real good their either.
You adressed pash rush and coverage, but what if a team just decides to run on first second and third down? It worked pretty well against us this year.
Tyler Sash is a giant reach, and I doubt he gets picked before the fourth round at the highest.
There are 4 safeties better than Tyler Sash where you picked him; DeAndre McDaniel, Kenny Tate, Jeron Johnson, and Ras I Dowling.
Overall there wasn’t much I liked, outside of the Chapas pick.
by Jake Edmisten on Jan 20, 2011 9:54 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Can't please everyone I guess?
I disagree that Bowers is the biggest boom or bust player. I believe that goes to Fairley since he has more character problems then Bowers.
As for 4-3 DT’s, Bannan, Marcus Thomas, and Vickerson are big bodies who can help with run defense. I also believe we’ll pick up a DT in free agency.
DeAndre McDaniel attacked his girlfriend, Kenny Tate isn’t even in this draft. Jeron Johnson is a mid round prospect IMO and Dowling is a CB. I guess it’s just a matter of opinion, but Sash is one of my favorite safety prospects.
At least you liked the Chapas pick.
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Who's playing DT? As in, who's stopping the run?
You’ve got us drafting a one-year wonder with the highest draft pick in Denver Broncos history in the hopes that he splits time with our newly made 60 million dollar man (Doom) and our recent 1st round draft pick (Ayers).
We don’t know for sure that Ayers will perform better now that he’s going home to his natural position of 4-3 DE. But we do know that we’ve got nobody on the roster with much shot at being effective at DT, let alone great or elite.
We KNOW we need to pick up AT LEAST one starter at DT if we switch to a 4-3. We DON’T KNOW that Ayers won’t be effective on the run stopping side as DE. But we do know that it’s too early to give up on him. What if you draft Bowers and Ayers turns a big corner this year? You’re going to say great, we’ve got three pass rushers. I say it’s stupid. We’ve got three pass rushers but only two can play at a time… and we STILL can’t stop the run.
Bowers is the sexy pick becuase people have him ranked slightly higher and because he had ONE year where he performed at an elite level. Dareus fills a spot where we actually have a need…. DT. And he’s proven his ability multiple years. His stats aren’t as sexy due to competition, missing two games, and playing in a 3-4. But he’s the pick, not a third huge resource at DE
Solid argument here.
Idk why we like seeing the raiders and chargers shove it down our throats, but that won’t stop with this draft. I say we draft at least two 4-3 dts in this draft and at least make an effort to stop the run. I’m sick of seeing teams average 150 yards rushing against us.
Stop the run, then we’ll worry about the pass
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Jan 20, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions
With Fox&Co. evaluating players of last year is it possible or ever plausable to think that these guys might profit from a 4/3 package?
Justin Bannan, Kevin Vickerson or Marcus Thomas? Have any of these guys played 4/3 with any success? What schem did they play in college? Who’s to say that even Ryan McBean might make a splash in 4/3? Too questions I know, but John Fox will evaluate each and every one of these players and players on the PS, Stehle and Unrein plus a few at the SeniorBowl and Combines…We’ll see.
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
All of them played 4-3 in college.
And, Justin Bannan is scheme indifferent. He can play anywhere on the interior from 5tech to opposite 5tech. Marcus Thomas and Big Vick are also more natural 4-3 DT’s. 3tech’s, as it were.
Apparently the Ravens and last year's Broncos both thought Bannan was a better fit for a 3-4
Thomas and Vick might turn a corner. But they’ve never shown themselves to be good or great.
All these guys should compete for a spot and for rotational spots. But we’re not giving up on Ayers at DE yet. It’s more likely that we could use impact and upgrade at DT than it is likely that we’re already looking to replace 2009’s 1st round draft pick. And that’s what we would be doing by drafting another 1st round DE. Why cant people understand that
I think they better be suited in 4/3 than what they played in last year.
If I remember right, Fox made a comment saying that some of the pieces ARE here and it will be an evaluation process to see where the biggest needs will come from…
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
Sure, it's all possible
But the point here is that it’s more likely that Ayers is effective at 4-3 DE than it is likely for TWO current players to be effective at 4-3 DT.
What people too often fail to acknowledge is that in a 4-3, the pass rush also comes from the inside guys, the DTs. Spending a single high resource on a guy you expect to immediately impact run-stopping and collapse the pocket… at a position you definitely have an opening (DT)… is far better than spending a third extremely high resource (in as many years) on a position where there easily might not be an opening.
More simply, an elite, immediate full time starter of a DT that can collapse the pocket, stop the run and even get to the QB, would impact our team far greater than spending the same resource on a guy that plays a position where even if he becomes a starter… its only an upgrade rather than a hole filler.
We should no more spend another extremely high resource at DE than we should at QB. Sure, Tebow may not work out. And sure, Ayers may not work out. But it’s too early to give up and replace them when we have soooooo many other ‘for sure’ holes we need to fix first.
This draft is alot better at the DE player prospect than it was in say, '08-9 or even 10...
I guess the point that I was trying to make was, was it profitable for KC to spend a #3 pick on Tyson Jackson who everyone here figured he would be available around 10-12 in ‘09…They spent a lot of money on him to be a developmental player and I for one don’t want to see us do that with this draft. If Peterson is the man then so be it. Money for value…And if some of the existing players we have can excel in a different scheme under Fox then all is good right?
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions
Ya, no argument there
At the end of the day, I just look at it as in one of our current Broncos will lose their starting position to the guy that we draft at #2. That’s the hope. That’s the goal. That’s the NFL. Why would we set out and intentionally make the goal be for that player to be Robert Ayers? Make no mistake, that’s what the overall goal would be if we drafted a DE at the 2nd overall pick.
The depth of the draft is nearly meaningless to me when considering whether to draft a position of need versus a position we don’t need.
So true and *we* don't know how it's going to work out until it does...
Fox may even think that Elvis isn’t suited in his plans for the Front 7 and decide to trade him for some picks or a player…We don’t know at the moment and have to suffer the waiting game like everybody else who isn’t in the front office at Dove Valley.
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
Well
I believe that we will pick up 1 DT in free agency. Combine that with Bannan, Vickerson, and Marcus Thomas and that is a pretty good run defense group to me.
I do believe that you can never have enough pass rushers. There might be some situations where we switch to a 3-4 on rush downs. We can put Bowers as the undersized DE, and Ayers and Doom as the OLB. If we have 3 great pass rushers, Fox will find a way to get them on the field.
Dareus is more proven then Fairley or Bowers, but he hasn’t proven it in “multiple years”. He started 2 years at Alabama and had good production. Fairley and Bowers had good production 1 year. I do not believe we can straight up pick Dareus at #2 if Bowers, Fairley, or Peterson are on the board. We either pick one of them or trade down.
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Congrats. Good, realistic mock. I like Sash a lot, but I do think he’d go more around the 3rd, but hey, it’s the draft so who knows.
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Right now Sash is a 2-3 rounder, but I believe he will rise after everythin is said and done. But that’s just my guess lol
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Good stuff Nick
The only question I have is on Bowers.When I watch his tape, I don’t really see a guy who is going to be an explosive pass rusher in the NFL. He’s pretty slow out of the snap and doesn’t really have an arsenal of moves to get to the quarterback.
Here’s what CBSdraft says:
Does not have an elite first step as an edge rusher, relies on bull rushes and poor footwork by college tackles to turn the corner. When lined up wide, he can get inside lane with his hands and is tough to stop once in his man’s jersey. Better tackles can stand him up as the game progresses. Too often, he is late coming off the snap.
To me, he projects more as a better Robert Ayers. Someone who is going to stop the run on the edge with his great strength, but someone who really doesn’t have the athleticism to get double digit sacks against RT in the NFL. Do you think Bowers can be an elite pass rusher in the NFL?
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by Worthington on Jan 20, 2011 10:41 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Robert Ayers couldn't swim his way out of a bathtub, but he is a run stuffing fool...
Maybe Robert’s forte is playing DE where he not out on the edge with TEs and Ts…I don’t know, do you?
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
This is why I've advocated
putting an elite DT next to Doom, one that excels at run-stopping. Then put a very good DT next to Ayers, one that excels at rushing the passer/collapsing the pocket. I think that’s a better way of playing to the strengths of our players and minimizing their weaknesses than the idea of replacing Ayers with another 1st round DE just because a stupid sports site has him ranked a few spots ahead of a guy like Dareus, a guy that plays a position we actually need.
I like this idea.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 20, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I hear you and you go to a different site and it all different to a degree or 2...
I think some of these Draft Gurus go all man crush over some of these prospects…
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
@Rodney..spot on opinion.
Doom needs a stud LB and a run stuffing DT next to him. I will also agree that if Ayers had a pass happy DT next to him, he would exel.
Everyone has complained about the DL but IMO our LB are weak. DJ and Mario can not get away from guard/center blockers. I really would love to see Larsen in the middle. And Mays is a hitting machine. Who of us would love WW to be 240 lbs…..
Thanks Worthington
I have seen Bowers display great explosion. I have also seen him look slow. So I think it’s more fair to say he is inconsistent then to say he isn’t explosive. I don’t think he is like Ayers at all. Bowers more then doubled Ayers college sack numbers. I do believe he can be an elite pass rusher, but he has to put the work in.
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Well done. I would be happy with this draft.
I just disagree with you on one point: Bowers is not the best passer rusher in the draft. UNC’s Robert Quinn is. He didn’t get to play this last year, so I understand you have to take that into account, but from what I’ve seen of Robert Quinn, nobody else in this draft can get to the QB like he can.
I think there’s discussions to be had about who’s a better DE overall, but if we’re just talking pure pass rush, Quinn is my guy.
Is he allowed to play in the SeniorBowl, Combines?
If so, he can showcase his talents on and off the field in interviews and maybe turn some heads…Drafting this guy would be great if we could move back a few spots and it ain’t like his body was beat up last year…
by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Yes, I believe he is allowed to participate.
I’m pretty sure he will rock the combine and bowls.
The only things that will keep his status down are his association with the UNC scandal and the fact that he is a bit of a tweener.
Thanks jwcsu
I did not watch Quinn in 09 so I didn’t really include him. From some of the highlights I’ve seen, he is a monster.
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Bustafluff
Everything I’ve seen shows Sash getting picked in the 2-3 range.
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Good stuff....
Bowers must not be the pick.
BOWERS = GHOLSTON
I repeat….
BOWERS = GHOLSTON
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 20, 2011 10:50 AM MST reply actions
No. Gholston wasn’t that good in HS or at Ohio State. He got drafted #6 overall because he was a combine monster.
Bowers was amazing on the field this year. He was also an amazing HS player. My guess is Bowers will be slow to develop, but his ceiling is similar to DeMarcus Ware or Mario Williams. He is in the same class as a prospect as Peppers. He is a better prospect than Mario Williams.
That said, I hope we get Fairley. Love Peterson too. Good year for Denver to have the #2 pick. It matches need with BPA. Good year for us to have two more early 2nd round picks. I’d be happy if we used all three on D-line.
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I dunno....
These hybridy DE types scare me….
Gholston, the dude who cracked his skull, etc….
There always seems to be a bunch of these athletic, DE types and they all go nowhere.
Oh, here’s another good one, Jarvis Moss!!!!!
I think we need to pick a big, fatbody like a Hiloti Ngata. Those guys make plays and clog up the middle.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 20, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
they clog up the middle as a Nose tackle.
4-3s do not have NTs. You need lighter nose tackle looking guys for a 4-3 DT.
Moss was a product of the Combine and one good year. You hit and miss on DE/OLB but you also hit i.e. Peppers, Tuck, Johnson (DT/DE)
Agree, its hit and miss....
Which is the problem….
There is ZERO TOLERANCE for miss here.
A miss with this pick would be Total Devastation on a Global Scale!!!!!!
(Not really, I just like to say that).
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 20, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions
which might be even more insentive to get as many DLs as you can.
One of them is bound to hit big (no pun intended)
I don't agree
Peppers and Williams were on another level completely compared to Bowers, in my mind, especially Peppers. Both of those guys are 6’7" 300 and have more athleticism than Bowers, and Bowers is a “mere” 6’4" 280.
I think Bowers has a high ceiling, but he’s not even scratching the surface of the kind of prospect Williams and Peppers were. You’re talking about two of the most dominant DL in the NFL there. Bowers is a much bigger risk than those guys, IMO.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 20, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
This.
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Who said 'white' boys can't jump?
That’s what I’m talking about and this draft is loaded with talent throughout…With that said…Id Bowers the best pick at #2? Can we get a Bowers or Fairley type player in the 2nd rd? Is Patrick Peterson the athlete everyone says he is? If you answer yes to at least 2 of those questions then at the #2 pick it has to be Peterson…We watched KC take Tyler Jackson in the first round #3 in ’09 and he was at the bottom of the heap in his rookie year! Not much fanfare for such a selection as that and we can ill afford to make any mistakes with the second pick. The bottom line is, the atlete has to be elite…Is Bowers elite? Fairley elite? Peterson elite? Or just one year wonders aka, Jabubba the Hut…Leinart…and others.
I don’t think it has ever been done picking a DB with the #2 pick and that is the 64 thousand dollar question right now and since the Broncos are into ‘firsts’ (2-14 season) this year, maybe we make another first and take the player who in most minds will be an immediate player with impact to the team…Peterson? Thanks Nick…
Jordan Cam got some HOPS
Peterson is my favorite prospect. For this mocks sake, I picked Bowers though because Fox will undoubtedly be attracted to his pass rush skills.
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Nick, your favorite time of year is now? That’s crazy… What about early September… What about week 1?
Other than the draft, the off-season sucks.
I’m ready to see more Tebow.
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by McGeorge on Jan 20, 2011 11:02 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
McG, Can you blame me?
After the season we just had?
I can’t wait to see more Tim too
but only with a huge TE, and a defense that gives him a chance.
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I love that kids size in S.Carolina.
The TE.
I would love that dudes size as a scapegoat for Tebow. But he a 6’5 dude from USC is ok with me!
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Great Mock Nick
Congrats on the Fan Post being on front page. I like Bowers but I disagree on the 1 year wonder talk, he was the #1. repeat #1 recruit coming out of high school, he took a little while to develop but came on strong as a junion especially for tackles for a loss and really refined his pash rush skills this year. I would be fine with Bowers and maybe move Ayers to DT and add a few pounds. The second round is where I would go different, would rather have Liuget DT from Illini or if you take Williams take Marvin Austin with the other 2nd round pick and take a safety in the 3rd. Not a big Sash fan and think we could get better value with a DT in the second.
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Bowers is a 1 year wonder based on stats. So is Fairley. He has always had a lot of potential, but his potential never manifested into anything until this past year.
I like Luiget a lot. I just have a hard time believing he will be there in the 2nd round. Austin has a lot of potential, but he doesn’t have a good work ethic.
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I'm with you on the Fairley front, though we may be in the minority
He has some red flags (though I don’t doubt his abilities at all). Still, I’d almost take him over Bowers. And I’d take Peterson over either of them — why? Because I want to draft the can’t miss guy with that #2 overall pick. We need defense, we especially need front 7 help, but we may also need CBs, and quickly. The draft is deep at both CB and DL so I think they could go one way to start and then move to the other in the 2nd round. But to me Peterson is the one real can’t miss, best player available guy and I’d rather grab a guy without questions there and then fill in the line in the 2nd round with multiple picks.
That said I think they’re gonna get a good player and I do think Bowers is going to be a good one, too.
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We are in agreement
Peterson > Bowers and Fairley
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The thing about the draft is
Its literally a crapshoot… We can’t trade out of the #2 (can but soooooo difficult) so we might as well take the best DL that is available, i.e. Bowers.
Plus there are steals in the draft. Hell, James Harrison wasn’t even drafted.
Here’s to hoping the Broncos do their homework and do whats best for the Broncos not for the fans.
And lets not forget who was drafting Moss
SHANAHAN! an offensive minded guy who had just as many defensive coordinators as he did 1000 yard backs. We have a defensive minded guy now. Lets put some faith in him like we did with McDoush and Shanny.
Shanahan failed to diagnose his frailties before reaching for him because at that time we had a dire need at that position...
Bad management assessment? Maybe, but taking the BPA is the best way to go imo, not going after a need thinking into it…
If we go DB's in the second
I’d much prefer it be Quinton Carter or Rahim Moore first, then Ras-I Dowling with the second. OR Jimmy Smith first, then Quinton Carter.
Aaron Williams may be good, but Ras-I Dowling is one of those guys who, had his year gone as planned, he would have been a first round lock. Instead he got hurt, and dropped.
And Sash isn’t fast enough, I don’t think. He’s a solid player, but I wouldn’t draft him in the second round.
What is your proof that he isn't fast?
because he’s white? lol…I’ve watched sash for three years, and I can tell you, he’s got some speed. Probably not blazing, but he can move.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 20, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
I've watched him for 3 years as well...
And to me he’s always looked like a guy with just average speed. shrug But maybe that’s just because I’d rather have me a Polamalu/Ed Reed/Eric Berry type guy…
if you want a Polamalu/Reed/Berry type of guyy
you’ll be waiting a long time.
There is a reason they are so great. That is because they are rare and unique.
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Patrick Peterson could well be one of those guys.
Will he be? I dunno. But if Champ Bailey can and Rod Woodson did make the transition to Safety, I think Peterson could easily as well. And we all know Rod Woodson was outstanding as a safety.
We can all disagree or agree with your choices Nick
but thanks for being honest and putting it on paper. Instead of us losers who just critisize other peoples.
thanks for the kind words valas.
Appreciate it.
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Also
I agree with the sentiments that Peterson is a can’t miss guy. I think one of the only other players who’s a can’t miss player is Marcell Dareus, actually. He’s better than Fairley, and he’s not a boom or bust like Bowers [who in all honesty, I could see becoming a big bust].
Honestly, after the Sugar Bowl, Cam Heyward could even be a really really good fit. Someone is seriously going to get an absolute STEAL if they draft Heyward in the second round, or even late first.
I love all these mock drafts - because I never get to see college games - and the MHR mock drafters alert me about the upcoming talent
So thank you.
That said if Patrick Peterson is the consensus least riskiest pick (no-one is 100% safe) then I say pick him.
If we keep taking BPA and not reach for need then in the long run we will be a better team.
The only positions we don’t need to go BPA are WR (we are loaded there at starter and depth) and of course the starter QB. Probably Kicker as well!
Every other position though should be up for BPA grabs.
What would Blackie Lawless do? Why he'd draft Peterson with the number 2 pick obviously.
by British Bronco on Jan 20, 2011 11:37 AM MST reply actions
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I like your draft except for the financing part...
Money plays a big part in all of this. Assuming you have to guarantee the #2 pick in the draft $40 to $50 million, you are better off with the 10-year shut down corner. Lineman are fine if their name is Suh. But other than that, good to great defensive linemen can be had in free agency for $3 – $5 million per year. A shut down corner like Revis or Namdi will cost you $15 million per year.
There is a lot more bang for the buck with the 10-year corner. Especially when he is as large and as fast as Peterson and is a kick returner as well.
by Pinkster on Jan 20, 2011 11:47 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Agree, ... con mucho gusto!
The strategic problem this non-CBA year are the limitations on trades and free agency.
I think that we must use free agency to build up the D line. Otherwise, it will be a year or two before draftees will produce the high level we need. But…no CBA. I am glad that I do not have to draft BEFORE I know what I can get in free agency.
Peterson at #2 is a wise choice.
by el_DON_de_TAOS on Jan 20, 2011 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think
finances will dictate who we choose. I do believe there will be a rookie cap in the draft which will save us a lot of money.
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I am not a fan of the Bowers pick. If we can't grab fairley at 2 then I think we have 3 options
1) Draft Peterson. With a rookie cap it won’t be a reach anymore to take a CB with the 2nd pick. If there is not cap then….
2) We draft Dareus. This guy can play DT in the 4-3 just fine and could be what Gerald McCoy is to Suh (comparing Dareus to Fairley)
3) We find a way to trade down and grab Paea. This will address our DT, give us at least another 2nd or 3rd round pick so we can still grab Williams, Sash (or McDaniel – my preference), another DT like Wilkerson or Luigot (From Illinois) and even a LB like Mason Foster or a DE like Cameron Jordan or Heyward.
This third option may be the hardest to pull off but I think it would benefit us the most rather than picking Bowers. I am not sold on Bowers personally and don’t believe he is in the same league as Mario Willams, Demarcus Ware or Julius Peppers.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 20, 2011 11:59 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
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I like the way you think. You must actually follow football. It’s like I heard someone say on The Fan the other day, how many Bronco fans had actually even heard of Bowers until 4 or 5 weeks ago. The same with Fairley.
If you can see the logic in Dareus, Paea, Jordan and others, you know football.
And, no, none of this is meant to be taken as questioning or criticizing the author of the mock draft.
Thanks, I try. :)
Sometimes people fixate on a prospect because everyone says he’s a sure thing. Too many people also draw opinions based only off of highlight videos on youtube.
Bowers was shut down plenty in games and especially the bowl game. He didn’t do a whole lot for his team. I think he can be a great pro but I don’t want him with the #2 pick. Not when a more polished prospect (Peterson) or a more consistent one (Dareus) are on the board.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 20, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I like those options
although I don’t think we can trade back far enough to take Paea. We would ask too much.
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The class of 2011
First things first; Nick great work and realistic Mock!
IMO, this year’s draft is weak from 1 down it’s scary to have the 1st or 2nd pick this year. With the lack of elite talent. I think there are only 2 elite players worthy of the 2nd pick; Luck or Peterson and once Luck withdrew it killed our pick. I honestly believe Panthers will draft Peterson and resign Johnson at DE. If this happens I think Denver will try to trade down if we can’t select Patrick Peterson with our 1st pick, I hope we aren’t foreced into drafting Bowers or Fairley they are not sure starters IMO.
Both Fairley and Bowers are great players with great potential but aren’t in the same class as Suh from last year’s draft, a can’t miss IMO both are risky picks and our 2nd has to be a WIN otherwise it sets us back. I doubt we will be able to trade down and therefore your draft makes sense except at #2 I like Peterson ready to start his first year.
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Carolina didn't resign Peppers who is an elite player and a big help in getting the Bears where their at.
Is Johnson an Unrestricted Free Agent? Or RFA? He can choose where wants to play if he’s a UFA. Just saying that he might want to join Fox in Denver. Fairley played as an elite player in the National Championship game and has played like that all year. Bowers has played like an elite player to. Robert Quinn is another who has elite potential but didn’t play this year.
Johnson UFA but...
It would be nice to sign Johnson but seriously doubt we can afford him if we resign Champ. Both Bowers and Fairley on film look to have the potential no doubt but drafting a player at 1 or 2 means Broncos have to get it right because of the high $‘s involved and must be ready to start. As far as Peppers my understanding is Mgtmt made the decision to start over without him and put Fox on notice for which I’m happy about and thank the Panther’s. There is risk no matter who we draft but I think Peterson would be the type of player from a character point of view and an outstanding football player comparable to Champ, a future All Pro for years to come low risk high reward player.
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I think we'll have a shot at Peterson because I think the Panthers will take Fairley and resign Johnson.
I am hoping we don’t get blinded by the Bowers talk and end up taking Peterson, Dareus or trading down.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jan 20, 2011 1:34 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you're right....
IMO, I think Peterson is the best fit he can step right in and learn from Champ at OTA’s and be ready to start opposite Champ. Both Fairley and Bowers are one year wonders and I have serious doubts their ready to start from day one is the only reason I wouldn’t use our 1st round pick on either. If we go back to the 4-3 we should draft D-line with both 2nd round picks and a safety in the 3rd round, and look for FA’s at LBer.
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I think I like Peterson before Bowers
I totally agree with not drafting Fairley. We don’t need the dirty style and all the rest of what he might bring with him. Also liked the films Nick… thanks
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Front seven
Can’t argue the quality of the personnel you selected but a CB and S are not the priorities I would like to see. Bowers is outstanding, my # 1 choice, but after that am absolutely convinced we need to fortify the front seven…mostly in the trenches. A good rush from the front 7 makes a weak secondary look great. In addition, given we keep Champ there is no doubt we are already beyond a weak secondary. In fact we are far stronger in the secondary than many think due to the fact we haven’t had a decent pass rush from the front 7.
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One doesn't lead the nation in sacks and tackles for loss being slow off the ball
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 20, 2011 2:16 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
case in point
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"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
maybe it was a bad game for him? I haven’t watched anything of his besides this video.
There were a couple plays that he did something pretty good — most of the good things he did came on plays where he wasn’t even blocked. The first two plays in the video he was unblocked. The fourth play he made a good tackle. The strip on the reverse he was unblocked — it was a great play but he was still unblocked. He kept contain on a number [most?] of plays which is nice to see considering some of our outside issues this year.
Again, I haven’t watched anything else of his — but a lot of people will put up tackle/sack stats if they are not blocked.
Against top flight competition
Pure numbers speak for themselves, especially against top competition. What may not be recognized here is the ability to shed a block. A defensive lineman’s success should not be measured solely on his ability to penetrate but to play within his position. He has the physical tools to penetrate at will it appears but his ability to play off a block is exceptional. Doing so forces the back to commit to a running lane and here is where he excells IMOP.
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 20, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
Projection is so much more important than production. Bowers produced some nice stats against ACC, but I don’t think he has any pass rushing talent that would project to the NFL. He’s not explosive off the line, and he just overpowered lineman in order to get sacks. I’d much rather take a player that had a repertoire of pass rushing skills rather than a player who only had athletic ability. Strength in the ACC is not necessarily going to transfer to strength in the NFL.
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Bowers is slower than molasses
Compared to SEC talent.
Bowers isn’t even the fastest off the line on his own team.
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I'll take Bowers Molasses on my pancakes any day
Thanks for the video link! Wow! To compare Bowers and Farely in the same game…both looked good enough but I am sold on Bowers after watching this. If I’m GM this is THE kid I want unless a trade up to get an extra 2nd comes along. If we can stay in the top 10 on the 1st round and get an additional 2nd this would be the ultimate.
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 21, 2011 8:00 AM MST up reply actions
Around the ball
Still reviewing the video game tape you provided. Bowers is around the ball a ton!
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 21, 2011 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
Nick, one DL and no tackles?
Yes, those look like good players, and I really like Bowers as probably the best overall player in the draft. In fact, I hope Carolina remains as stupid as they have been in personnel, and Bowers is still available at #2.
But after Bowers, no DL? I personally just can’t see that. But then, I don’t claim to be another Mayock, either . . .
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Aaron Williams
would be a great get in the 2nd round, but he’s the best cornerback in the draft. I’ll be surprised if he’s still there in the 2nd. The only way that happens is if he runs a surprisingly slow 40 at the combine.
+1
yeah he is projected to go at the end of the first round to one of the teams still in the playoffs
BRIAN ORAKPO, 19.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles in 31 games
ROBERT AYERS, 1.5 sacks, 1 forced fumbles in 26 games
*both came from the same draft class
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by Broncos_FTW on Jan 21, 2011 10:51 AM MST up reply actions
longhorns
yeah i’m a little biased but aaron williams is a good player and could make a difference for our secondary
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ROBERT AYERS, 1.5 sacks, 1 forced fumbles in 26 games
*both came from the same draft class
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