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1.21 Jigowatts!!

Have any of you guys traveled to the future?

I haven't.  I would love to though.  Especially if it involves a DeLorean and self lacing Nikes, hoverboards, and a solve for the energy crisis in the form of a trash to gas converter called 'Mr. Fusion' attached to every car.

Why am I blathering on about time travel?

Because apparantly a few of you have been to the future and back.  I guess you don't even need to watch the preseason or wait for the draft or ride out this CBA issue.  You already know the facts!

Star-divide

It's totally fine to have a strong opinion.  Especially when there are facts to lean on.

But when we're talking about John Fox's history of playing the young guys and how it applies to the Broncos (like in Palehorse's recent post that turned into a foodfight), mock drafts (how can you know who we'll take?  It's one thing to throw a name or hypothetical trade out there just for conversation's sake, but its another to proclaim that "oh, he won't be availble there!" - you can't know that), and any speculative topic.  Some of you know this already, but when you talk about things that haven't happened yet, it's best to refrain from speaking in absolutes.

To me, this is the fun time.  We didn't have a good year.  We are reforming our team.  We are forming a new identity and we should be excited to see what types of players we're after and what strategy for success the new regime employs.  It's even more fun to speculate about it.  But please don't purport to know the results before they're in.  Speculating is one thing, screaming the loudest because you think you're right is another. 

Just because I think Denver would be crazy not to take a D-Lineman with the #2 pick and you want Denver to take Peterson doesn't mean that I think you’re a moron.  It means we agree to disagree and we can debate it further without ridiculousness and personal attacks entering the conversation.  I expect the conversation to be civil.  And I truly hope that we can refrain from too much side taking and partisan behavior. That’s when I stop logging on, and I know I’m not the only one.

All I can ask is for everyone to please try and understand where everyone else if coming from too.  If you say your piece, cool.  But you don't have to keep whacking it over everyone's heads in here.  MHR is too good of a forum for that kind of thing.  If you think someone is wrong, cool.  But if you took it personally or it upset you, log off.

It's annoying to scroll down into the comment section just to see a really good post get hijacked or off topic because of a squabble over a subject with no obvious outcome.

Let's remember that we have not been to the future and back.  Even if we feel like we are pretty sure something will or won't happen.  It's just a game.  The NFL is big business entertainment. 

On a side note, if you have been to the future, please let me know.  My email is in my profile and I would love to see how my kids turn out and what the Broncos look like in a few years.  I will pay top dollar to see even a month into the future.  And yes, I will have you drop me off at the sports book in Vegas on the way back home. 

But until then, let's continue to have a great bar-room discussion over the maybes of the future without the amateurish name calling and side-taking and vitriolic behavoir.

Go Broncos.

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with Mr. Fusion of course…

the internet? that thing is still around?
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by ktown on Jan 20, 2011 10:37 AM MST reply actions  

I'll take it

I think I saw it on craigslist

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by super7 on Jan 20, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions  

No,

that one is broken, I checked in to it already.

Shakespeare sang air on air, so I sung. Shakespeare turned dust to dust, so to my life.

by grind_core on Jan 20, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

About speaking in absolutes.....

…….it is ok to say “He won’t be there at pick x”. This is an opinon board, it should not be necessary to begin and end every sentence with IMO. At least, IMO we should not have to. But again, that is just IMO ;)

"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!

by bonaire on Jan 20, 2011 10:54 AM MST reply actions  

I get it

We are all adults in here (I think) and I’m not planning on dropping IMO into every post either. I agree actually.

I didn’t necessarily mean that you should refrain from using absolutes here, but just understand how its construed when you do if someone take offense.

You’re right – it’s all opinion all the time here, and I love it. I’m just saying that we need to let everyone throw their opinion around, even if you don’t agree w/ it.

Nobody knows for sure until it happens. That’s all.

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by super7 on Jan 20, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm just playing around....

….I do agree that we need to treat people with more respect around here. And that certainly applies to the posters who keep posting the same thing over and over again hijacking any thread they can.

"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!

by bonaire on Jan 20, 2011 11:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point

But what if someone thinks that it’s critical that everyone else agrees with them and refuses to stop until they do?

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Jan 20, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know....

….maybe you should ask that question on every other post here and multiple times within each post.

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by bonaire on Jan 20, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

this is a funny comment - but too true

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by super7 on Jan 20, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

ignore it

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by super7 on Jan 20, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Ya Ive been seeing some

people post the same arguments on different threads over and over. It gets annoying

by Calikula on Jan 20, 2011 5:33 PM MST up reply actions  

You have a couple of options when people are
posting the same thing over and over again hijacking any thread they can.

or


But what if someone thinks that it’s critical that everyone else agrees with them and refuses to stop until they do?

You can choose to ignore it.

You can see if the person whom you believe to be hijacking the thread has an email posted on their profile & contact them & politely ask them to stop.

You can flag it and then when the explanation box appears, you can state your belief that the person writing the comment is attempting to hijack the post. John does pay attention to your comments in flags.

Just some food for thought.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Jan 20, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks B..It was a rhetorical question though

Forgot to use the sarc font.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Jan 20, 2011 11:17 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the issue...

Is some people just like to debate. They like to argue and they like to ‘litigate’. I have a friend who is a lawyer, and he enjoys getting a rise out of people. I have watched him debate one side of a topic I KNOW he doesn’t agree with, but simply enjoys being argumentative. There are likely people on this site that are like that.

As for speaking in absolutes. I agree, we don’t need to put IMO in every post, every comment. Where the line is crossed, IMO, is when someone adds a qualifier at the end of their ‘absolute’.

For instance, “The Broncos will draft Patrick Peterson at #2. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn’t know football”.

I see a ton of that, both here at MHR and all over SBNation sites. It is that need to make a point, then drive it home by being insulting, that starts the bickering that this site doesn’t need. It puts people immediately on the defensive.

Have an opinion, back it up, defend and debate it if you must, but avoid going that extra step, no matter how much you disagree.

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by John Bena on Jan 20, 2011 12:17 PM MST reply actions  

Good point and one of the most annoying things I see...

….it just that kind of thing “to think otherwise means you don’t know football”.

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by bonaire on Jan 20, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree

I have friends of the same ilk. Frankly a lot of sports fans are just arguers. They enjoy the debate. I too enjoy the debate. But as soon as it gets to absolute or personal, I’m out. Seems silly to spend more time reading that post when I stopped reading the DP comments section for the same reasons.

MHR is the best of the best. Not in talent, but in community and common goal and love for the team. I feel like I remember when I knew 80% of the posters here by name. 3 years later, this site has gone from smallish clique to huge wealth of knowledge and the best sportsfan community on the web IMO.

We get away from the real reason we’re here sometimes. I hate to see someone having to defend themselves constantly or someone who’s always picking arguments, but that’s just the nature of a site like this. We all like the Broncos. That’s the truest reason we’re here. We’re not here to prove how smart we are or how good we are at predicting the future, well, at least I’m not.

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by super7 on Jan 20, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

John Bena

you just described my in-laws, exept I’m sure they’re nowhere near as eloquent as your lawyer friend – they’re just loud and argumentative.

"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."

by PaleHorse78 on Jan 20, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I disagree completely

People don’t like to argue here in the least…we’re like a bunch of old civilized British guys sitting around sipping Earl Grey and chatting about our beloved team

Wat wat!

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by sadaraine on Jan 21, 2011 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

lol

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by broncosmontana on Jan 21, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I'd completely disagree with your complete disagreement

but it’s Friday and I’m way too effin tired, so lets take it as read that we had a spirited debate about whether or not we enjoy spirited debates and/or sip tea and/or elucidate and articulate like gentlemen, and have a great weekend. : )

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Jan 21, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Back to the Future was a Top 10 1980’s movie. Anyone that thinks otherwise doesn’t know football… I mean movies.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Jan 21, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Finally, your name explained!

I’m McGeorge. McGeorge McFly. And I’m your density. I mean… your destiny.

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Jan 21, 2011 7:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Why don't you make like a drum...

And leave.

Change your opinions, keep to your principles; change your leaves, keep intact your roots.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 21, 2011 11:34 PM MST up reply actions  

Super7 this is so good

I can’t believe you posted this right before I launched my latest post. This is literally the core of everything I was trying to say. I agree 100% with what you are suggesting and your future analogy is fantastic. I mean, if we can invent Coke Zero why can’t we have time travel?

Keep up the good work sir, rec’d.

GB2

by BroncoPH on Jan 20, 2011 1:52 PM MST reply actions  

great scotts!!!

maxwellsdemon if your reading this i won the bet!!

by Pmoreno95 on Jan 20, 2011 2:09 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

I live in the future!

About 18hours if your on the west coast. Good post.

To take a quote from an iconic movie, "Its the “vibe”, its “Marbo”.

This site is many different things to many different people, but lately it can actually scare some people from not even posting comments. I use this site to get more educated on football, to hear the passion, to be around people with a common goal.

I love to learn about the best college players coming out, who our next D.C will be,
Tebow or not Tebow, that is the question.

I love this site and spend way too much time on here reading “everything”. This site will prosper forever but don’t we want, in business terms “repeat business” or just alot of one offs.

Good post mate. GO BRONCOS!!!!

PS. Call me 18 hours before the draft and i’ll let you know what happened.

by Downunder Thunder on Jan 20, 2011 2:16 PM MST reply actions  

You can have a hand full of nails and a hammer in the other and still not be a carpenter!

Unless there is a bonified source of true information then it should ALL be contrued as BS…IMO, thanks Super 7 for the delightful post…

by bfree2bronc on Jan 20, 2011 2:28 PM MST reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I've been to the future..

but then, it could have been the LSD. I still am not entirely sure.

Shakespeare sang air on air, so I sung. Shakespeare turned dust to dust, so to my life.

by grind_core on Jan 20, 2011 5:13 PM MST reply actions  

LOLOL

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by broncosmontana on Jan 21, 2011 7:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Well said Super7

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Bring back the Orange Crush!

by WyoBronco on Jan 20, 2011 5:27 PM MST reply actions  

I understand

 the point of your post, but I doesn’t take a person from the futrue, to say Patrick Peterson, wont be there in the 2nd round, or to say Rahim Moore wont be there in the 6th.

But for guy thats rated to be a mid 2nd to early 3rd, its hard to say, he wont be there in the late 3rd.

by mjlarson2 on Jan 20, 2011 5:29 PM MST reply actions  

I havent read yet, but I recd/tweeted/liked simply for titling this post from one of the greatest movie lines of all time.

It helps that as a kid these were my favorite movies. I am always talking time travel baby!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

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by Tim Lynch on Jan 20, 2011 7:28 PM MST reply actions  

I'm fortunate...as I am always proven correct.

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by Tim Lynch on Jan 20, 2011 7:32 PM MST up reply actions  

"...I would love to see how my kids turn out and what the Broncos look like in a few years. "

Ummm…do you want the truth, or a lie? The Broncos will permanently adopt the mustard uniforms in 2012.

by MoB.DeadMeat on Jan 20, 2011 9:21 PM MST reply actions  

Rec'd

I think there is another force at work here. It is the fact that we are all passionate fans and sometimes that emotion dominates logic.

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by KaptainKirk on Jan 21, 2011 7:17 AM MST reply actions  

Great post

Just to echo the Kaptain above me here, though, fans require passion. It’s very easy to let emotions run wild. So as much as I appreciate a call for civility, I also encourage everyone to be a little patient with our peers here when emotions get the best of them. We are all Bronco fans, so you know everyone here ROCKS by definition. Apply a little modicum of understanding and forgiveness when you can, and lets keep this place the special Broncos destination that it is!

In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.

by broncosmontana on Jan 21, 2011 4:15 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

:\ who me?

I did post one derogatory personal attack with no redeeming value. I was happy to see it gone not too much later. Thanks to whichever staffer did that. I have been passionate these last few days but the debates have been mostly civil even if they have also been repetitive. I believe I have it out of my system now :D At the very least, my points have been made, lol.

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Jan 22, 2011 5:10 AM MST reply actions  

Dude

No worries (an you weren’t to only one), just poor timing I guess. I think we’ve all been there before. Just remember that even if you are arguing about something and happen to be passionatye about it, that the passion will come through. We push each other too far sometimes. We’re not the press, just because it’s a Blog Post doesn’t mean it need to be scrutinized the way one of Klis’ articles does.

In fact, if a post doesn’t have a great foundation on facts, then either ignore it or point out where it came up short in a way that’s not too condescending.

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by super7 on Jan 22, 2011 11:21 AM MST up reply actions  

You mean gigawatts, right?

by Carl B. on Jan 22, 2011 2:51 PM MST reply actions  

technically your right...

Doc Brown pronounce it “jigawatts” of course, but that was actually the correct pronounciation of gigawatts for a long time when the term was first coined. Since he dreamed up the flux capacitor in 1955, it sorta makes sense…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jan 23, 2011 6:11 AM MST up reply actions  

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