Denver Broncos Big Board Part One
The draft is approaching, slowly but surely, and Senior Bowl events will kick off this week, roughly a month before the NFL's annual Scouting Combine held in Indianapolis.
The Broncos are in a pretty good position right now in terms of the draft and free agency (should a new CBA be agreed upon) with about $40 million dollars in estimated cap space and even more if you consider the potential cap casualties. Not only that, but they are armed with four picks in the top 67, and three in the first two rounds. Only the New England Patriots have more picks than the Broncos, and with a record 56 underclassmen declaring their names into the pool of players, this promises to be yet another solid group of athletes.
With the second overall pick in the draft, the Broncos cannot afford to miss. As you will see laid out below, the recent history of the second overall pick is pretty promising, though somewhat odd. After the jump, you will see my projected Broncos big board for the first two rounds of the draft. There are sure to be surprises, so strap up and get ready for the ride!
First Round (Upper Tier)1. Patrick Peterson, Cornerback, LSU
6'1" 222 4.4
Simply put, Peterson is the best athlete in the entire draft, and I'm not so sure the Carolina Panthers aren't thinking about pulling the trigger on him with the first overall pick. If not for their complete lack of talent (save for Charles Johnson) on the defensive line, I would think he'd be almost a lock.
This is a guy who is as talented of a dual threat player as you will find. Not only is he a fantastic cover corner, but he has the ability to break the game open as a punt or kick returner. You might say that you don't want the second overall pick to be returning kicks, but at least in the beginning of his career, the Broncos can definitely use him in that regard.
Peterson is a freak athlete who has all of the skills to be a dominant cornerback at the next level. He has great straight line speed, recognition skills, he's a good tackler, but most important of all--he's confident that when he's on the field, he's the best player, almost to the point of cockiness. When Peterson was asked what other collegiate players he watched on film (as far as cornerbacks), he said, "I don't really watch any of them. They're probably all watching me."
This is a can't miss prospect in my opinion. There is no such thing as a sure thing, but at the top of the draft, I think Peterson is obviously less risky of a prospect in my mind than a guy like Da'Quan Bowers or Nick Fairley, though both will be considered for the Broncos' pick based on their great junior seasons.
Peterson is only 20 years old, and already has 30 starts at LSU under his belt. He's been one of the best prospects in the country since his junior year in high school, and was picked as ESPN the Magazine's NEXT great football player at any level.
2. Marcell Dareus, Defensive End/Defensive Tackle, Alabama
6'4" 311
Dareus is the most consistently dominant tackle at the top end of the draft, and in my mind, he has the best chance at long-term success in the NFL. What Dareus has that many other prospects don't is a ton of experience in a 3-4 defensive scheme coming from Alabama, and he has already proven that he can not only be effective but he can be dominant in that kind of scheme.
That being said, I don't think that Dareus is going to be limited to one kind of scheme. Just because he never played in a 4-3 front doesn't mean he isn't capable, and I think he's the most complete tackle in the draft.
Dareus is a run-stuffing defensive lineman who had a fantastic sophomore campaign for the Crimson Tide statistically, and came back and had another solid but not spectacular campaign in 2010. This is a guy that is capable of disrupting the play in many different ways. The only slip-up for Dareus was a two-game suspension at the start of this season for accepting benefits that were not appropriate to the university.
If the Broncos take a defensive lineman, I am hoping it's Dareus. He has the potential to be the most complete defensive tackle in the draft, and he was born three days after me (21 years old), so he's got a lot of years ahead of him.
3. Da'Quan Bowers, Defensive End, Clemson
6'4" 278
Bowers is a very interesting prospect. The Broncos do not really have a ton of talent in the pass rush department, and Bowers emerged in 2010 as one of the best in the NCAA in that regard. His 16 sacks in 2010 accompanied 24 tackles for loss and 17 quarterback hurries.
Not only that, but Bowers' fantastic junior season was spread out pretty evenly throughout the season. Bowers showed throughout his collegiate career that he was terrific against the run, but he finally broke out of his shell as a pass rusher in 2010. He is considered a one year wonder, but really, it's only in terms of getting sacks on the stat sheet that he is.
Bowers was considered the best prospect coming out of high school in 2008, and he really didn't live up to that billing until this past year. He is a sure tackler who has long arms and exceptional athleticism and strength. He could be the most NFL-ready defensive lineman in the draft, but he's got some good competition.
In the past year or so, Bowers has lost two of the most influential people in his life to death. Former Chicago Bears defensive end Gaines Adams (a former top pick from Clemson) was a mentor to Bowers, and he sadly passed away from cardiac arrest. Bowers' father also passed away over the last year, and it seems as though ever since those two tragic events, he has really turned on his game.
Bowers could easily vault himself to the top pick in the draft with a strong showing at the NFL Scouting Combine, and I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen. The Panthers need help all over their defensive line, not just at the tackle position. Bowers is only 21 years old.
4. Nick Fairley, Defensive Tackle, Auburn
6'5" 300
There might not have been a school in the country that had a better season overall than the Auburn Tigers in terms of individual success with quarterback Cam Newton and defensive tackle Nick Fairley. Fairley won the Lombardi Award as the nation's best defensive player.
Fairley showed this season that he is a disruptive force when he wants to be, and finished the season with more than 20 tackles for loss and 11 sacks. He showed great burst off the line, and always seemed to finish what he started. He showed the world what he can do in the national championship game when he single-handedly shut down the Oregon Ducks.
Still, Fairley's dominance doesn't come with any shortage of red flags. Fairley didn't qualify initially for Auburn's football program due to academics, and spent a couple of years at the junior college level. He was dominant at the FBS level, and when he came to Auburn, it took him a year to adapt to the level that is the SEC. After a pretty average to below average first year with Auburn, Fairley burst on to the scene in 2010, setting numerous school records.
While Fairley has indeed been dominant, he is labelled as "dirty" and "lazy", and has been described as "country" strong instead of putting in the necessary work in the weight room, so it comes as no surprise that he has been carrying some extra weight as a result.
This guy does not strike me as a hard worker at all, and I'd think twice about drafting him second overall.
4a. Prince Amukamara, Cornerback, Nebraska
6'1" 205
If not for Patrick Peterson, this guy would be the top prospect at the cornerback position, and for good reason. He's an absolute technician, and like Peterson, Amukamara has been doing this for a long, long time. Unlike Peterson though, Amukamara is a converted running back, and made a seamless transition to the defensive backfield.
This is a guy who has been a starter since his sophomore season in 2008, and who has not looked back since. His breakout season came when he was a junior, and while he had some mental lapses in 2010, he still showed that he can be a shut down cornerback at the next level.
Amukamara is physically imposing as well as very gifted mentally. He is very devoted to his faith and the FCA (Fellowship of Christian Athletes) and his parents are from Nigeria. He was also selected to the Big 12 Commissioner's Academic Honor Roll in 2007 as a freshman. It's obvious that Amukamara is not only gifted on the field, but he's also very involved off of it as well.
On the field, we're talking about a guy who compares pretty favorably to one Champ Bailey. If Patrick Peterson is the new Charles Woodson, Amukamara is the new Champ Bailey, but really, both are the first of their own kind. Amukamara's excellent closing speed and toughness will allow him to succeed in either press man or zone coverage. He is also a strong tackler, and has great instincts. He is a very smart player, as I have mentioned, and while he can be over-aggressive, he also takes a lot of calculated risks, and doesn't give up a ton of big plays.
It's a testament to his talent that he went from having five interceptions in 2009 and none in 2010 with 13 passes defensed. Teams simply do not throw the ball his way. He is a sleeper for the number two overall selection.
Now, as you can see, I'm not extremely high on Nick Fairley. I think if the Broncos want him, they should look to move down and acquire more picks. With the second pick in the draft, he is not worth the risk to me, and I almost considered leaving him off the board completely, but I'm not so sure the Broncos will. You will also note that since 1998, the number two selection has only been traded one time, and that was when the Arizona Cardinals moved down one spot with the San Diego Chargers who selected Ryan Leaf. The Cardinals then drafted another colossal bust in Andre Wadsworth.
Since then, the number two overall picks have been:
1999: Donovan McNabb, QB, Eagles
2000: Chris Samuels, OL, Redskins
2001: Leonard Davis, OL, Cardinals
2002: Julius Peppers, DE, Panthers
2003: Charles Rogers, WR, Lions
2004: Robert Gallery, OL, Raiders
2005: Ronnie Brown, RB, Dolphins
2006: Reggie Bush, RB, Saints
2007: Calvin Johnson, WR, Lions
2008: Chris Long, DL, Rams
2009: Jason Smith, OL, Rams
2010: Ndamukong Suh, DL, Lions
2011: ???
As you can see, historically, the number two pick has traditionally come on the offensive side of the ball. Only three players in the last decade that have been selected second overall have been defensive players, which equals the number of offensive guards that have been selected in the same slot over that period of time.
If the Broncos stay put, and history indicates that they will, they will certainly add to the defensive side of the ball. Which player they select remains to be seen, but I am reasonably certain that it will be one of the five players suggested above. A lot will depend on the direction of the Carolina Panthers, who likely have a similar draft board only one that also includes A.J. Green, the wide receiver from Georgia as well as possibly a quarterback or two. The Panthers were dead set on taking Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck with the top pick if he declared, so obviously they are not afraid to put Jimmy Clausen on the back burner.
When the Broncos move on to the second round, they should not--I repeat--they should NOT be looking to fill a position of immediate need FIRST, they should be looking for talent first, need second. That being said, this is a deep class of players at cornerback, defensive line, and running back at the top end. The Broncos should be looking for the scraps of what fall out of the first round, and I wouldn't be surprised if they consider a wide array of positions with the picks they have.
One of the keys will be what they can get for quarterback Kyle Orton. It could be nothing, or it could be a second round pick (or more), we just do not know. However, the Broncos are one of two teams with more than two picks in the first two rounds, and they have to take advantage. They are in a rare position in a very deep draft, so they should be prepared for any scenario.
My most recent full NFL mock draft had some interesting scenarios. The Broncos will obviously be making a full big board with every position and player that they have scouted, but for the purpose of keeping this list from putting you to sleep, I will not do a full on big board, rather a list of target players who the Broncos absolutely could not pass on if they were to fall to the second round, regardless of their position or character grade.
Second Round (36th overall)
1. Mark Ingram, Running Back, Alabama
We all know who Mark Ingram is. The 2009 Heisman Trophy recipient has been absolutely dominant in college football since that season, and despite the super-talented Trent Richardson knocking on the door for more playing time, Ingram was still able to put together an admirable season and lead Alabama to another bowl victory.
He has more rushing touchdowns (42) than any other back in Alabama history. He is a back that combines superb vision with quickness and power, and his frame (5'10" 215) is almost identical to that of Knowshon Moreno.
Why would the Broncos use their top second round choice on Ingram? Well, first of all, because he grades out as a mid-first round prospect, and in my most recent mock draft, he was left there in the second round without my knowledge of it. Simply put, running backs probably should not be taken in the first round. However, if you could get Mark Ingram in the second round at a low price (roughly $1-2 million per season), it would be a better alternative than signing a guy like DeAngelo Williams for maybe $5-7 million per season.
Second, the Broncos are moving to a system and philosophy offensively that is going to require two, three, or maybe even four good to solid running backs. With the addition of John Fox came the need for a running back, essentially. Knowshon Moreno has not exactly proven that he can stay healthy, and the guys behind him right now do not inspire confidence.
Running back has now been given a violent shove into the "need" category, whether we like it or not, and if we have a chance to get a guy like Mark Ingram in the second round, it might be too enticing to pass up.
2. Kyle Rudolph, Tight End, Notre Dame
6'5" 265
Rudolph did not fall to the second round in my latest mock, but that doesn't mean he won't in the future. He is a supremely talented tight end prospect, but he really hurt himself this season with a leg injury. He was on pace for a fantastic junior year, and finished the first part of it with better numbers than many tight ends have in a season (probably blows Richard Quinn's college numbers out of the water).
He's a huge target, and would be Tim Tebow's new best friend. I am holding out hope that the Broncos are able to use some of their large cap space on a solid tight end in free agency (preferably Owen Daniels from Houston), but if Rudolph is there in the draft, he is a good, young option with tons of upside if he can stay healthy.
3. Adrian Clayborn, Defensive End, Iowa
6'3" 285
In my opinion, Clayborn is going to have a lot of explaining to do for missing the Senior Bowl. It seemed like a golden opportunity for him to show scouts that he still had the skills he displayed in 2009 when he had a Bowers or Fairley-like year.
However, more and more concerns are surrounding Clayborn every day, and in my mind, his value is plummeting. Can he stay in shape? Is his body NFL ready? Did he pull back in his senior year? Did he quit? Does he have substance abuse problems (namely marijuana)? Is he a character risk?
All of these questions surrounding Clayborn are troublesome at best. That does not mean that I would pass on him in the second round. Talk about having a chip on your shoulder. This is a guy who absolutely dominated any and everyone he faced in 2009, and is a guy who obviously has some talent. What he needs is to get his butt in the weight room, stay out of trouble, and show scouts what made him a projected top ten pick before the season is still there.
Like I said, the reasons he could have for not participating in the Senior Bowl are not good, necessarily, so that is a real bummer to me. But if he is still sitting there at pick 36 and I am Brian Xanders, I will think long and hard about pulling the trigger.
4. Jimmy Smith, Cornerback, Colorado
6'2" 210
Smith is a player who combines fantastic size with great speed and ball skills. Only 11 passes have been completed on him over the last two seasons, which is a real testament to his ability. Unfortunately, he plays for a terrible team, and therefore, not many people know about him.
My guess is by the end of the Combine and other pro day workouts, Smith will be a lock for the first round, but if he is there with this pick in the second, it'd be hard to really go wrong by selecting him.
5. Corey Liuget, Defensive Tackle, Illinois
6'3" 300
After the Combine, expect Liuget's value to skyrocket, likely into the top 15 picks. Should he stay under the radar, the Broncos would be extremely lucky to find him falling into their laps in the second round. He combines great power with quickness and intensity, and he's just a terror for teams to deal with. He's got good overall size and in a 4-3 scheme, he has the potential to be very disruptive. He's a sure tackler and is very hard to contain in one-on-one battles on the inside.
Honorable mention: Stephen Paea, DT; J.J. Watt, DL; Martez Wilson, ILB; Mikel LeShoure, RB
Second Round (46th overall)
1. Muhammad Wilkerson, Defensive Tackle, Temple
6'5" 300
Wilkerson might be as complete a tackle as will come from the draft, and right now, he's flying very far under the radar. As you can see, he's got great size and he is very athletic. Over the last two seasons, he has 131 tackles, 23.5 for loss, and 16.5 sacks. He was twice named first team All-MAC, and found himself being considered one of the top defensive linemen in the country by season's end.
At 46 overall, this is a guy who is not only my top target, but I wouldn't even hesitate to take him. I think he immediately upgrades our rotation on the interior defensive front, and I think he would be a fantastic addition to our team.
2. Marvin Austin, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina
6'3" 312
Austin has a great build for a defensive tackle, and was considered one of the top prospects in the country before being dismissed from UNC for accepting gifts from an agent. In 2006, he was considered the top high school recruit at his position, and he had a solid career at North Carolina including a dominant junior season that saw him record career highs in tackles, tackles for loss, and sacks.
While Austin never had the kind of year a guy like Fairley or Bowers had, he still has potential to be disruptive at the next level, but he should fall to the second round because he not only did not play football in 2009, but he obviously has some dark clouds surrounding him.
That is why I love that the Broncos kept a coach like Wayne Nunnely, who has worked with character guys before and gotten the best out of them (see Jamal Williams).
3. Drake Nevis, Defensive Tackle, LSU
6'1" 285
Nevis might not be a huge defensive tackle, but he more than makes up for it with production and energy. Despite not starting in 2009, Nevis led the LSU defensive line with 48 tackles, 10 for loss, and four sacks. He was named a first team All-American by various media outlets in 2010 as well as first team All-SEC for his fantastic senior season. He finished the year with 56 tackles, 13 for loss, six sacks, three forced fumbles, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Simply put, this guy is a ball of energy, and he seems like the kind of player this organization would love to have. He's been discussed as a first round choice, but I think this is the point in the draft where he could eventually wind up, and I would not be disappointed in the least if the Broncos took him.
4. Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA
6'1" 196
I would love to see Rahim Moore check into the scouting combine at about 210 pounds. In fact, I think that should be a goal of his from now until late February is to add to his frame, because right now he's just got a really slim build. That does not mean that the man cannot play football, however. Moore started for the Bruins as a freshman, and had three picks. As a sophomore, he had an astounding ten INT's. As a junior...He only had one.
Still, one cannot deny the full body of work that Moore has put out there, and he is still worthy of a mid-second round selection. He obviously has superb ball skills and athleticism, but he reminds me so much of Darcel McBath that it's almost scary. I would love to see Moore add some weight and become a better tackler, but in terms of forcing turnovers, this guy could be "our guy".
5. Mason Foster, Linebacker, Washington
6'2" 240
I might hold out a bit of hope that Foster would fall to the third round, but he will probably be under consideration for this pick here. Foster is absolutely a tackling machine, and it's really hard not to love watching this guy. He's a ball of energy, and could really provide a spark to whatever defense he winds up going to. For the Broncos, he would likely play on the outside, and would give us a solid starter should we press onward with the move to the 4-3. If we stick to a 3-4, he could definitely play on the inside next to DJ Williams or Joe Mays.
If the Broncos are able to swing a trade of Kyle Orton for a second round pick, say to the Minnesota Vikings, they would have a ton of assets in this draft and would likely get a lot of good players. In my full NFL mock draft, using this board, I had us taking the following players:
1. Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU
2. Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama
3. Muhammad Wilkerson, DL, Temple
4. Marvin Austin, DL, North Carolina
5. Robert Sands, S, West Virginia
We must realize that the Broncos are not going to want to nor are they hopefully going to need to satisfy all of their needs in this one draft, so taking the best player available with their first two picks is not a bad option at all. I'm not necessarily campaigning for these players, though there are some I like more than others, but I really think the Broncos are in a great position here. They have some talent on the roster right now, and with a lot of cap space and a good arsenal of draft picks, they could be primed to make a quick comeback.
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Thanks, Sayre
I’ve been thinking about Peterson and Fairley and I’ve decided that we should take the best player available. I don’t think it’s the best strategy to draft for need. So, having said that I am really hoping that we take Peterson if we keep 1.02.
I am torn, though, between keeping the pick and trading it for more assets. I’d be disappointed to miss out on Peterson, but I would not be upset if we were able to trade down.
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Thanks for the comment
I agree, best player at #2 overall, and if we have four or five guys that we like, I would strongly support trading down.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Were in position to grab an elite talent with the number 2
Although I wouldnt be entirely upset about it, I really think we shouldnt trade down…
If we need more assets, take calls on Day 2 to trade away our high 2nd… maybe for a late 2nd and maybe another pick or two..
by Broncos808 on Jan 24, 2011 2:11 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sayre...
with the top 3 picks, don’t you think we would be better off going all D?
1-2: Patrick Peterson, CB/S, LSU
Trade Back…if before the CBA, only can trade picks for picks.
Marcell Darues, DE/DT, Alabama
Von Miller, OLB, Texas
2-36: Stephen Paea, NT/DT, Oregon State
Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
Corey Luiget, De/DT, Illinois
2-46: Mason Foster, OLB/ILB, Washinton
Jeremy Beal, OLB/DE, Oklahoma
Marvin Austin, DE/DT, North Carolina
It would be nice to get a S also, maybe if the CBA gets finalized before the draft, we can trade Orton for a mid-round 2nd or early 3rd.
To answer your question, no, I don't necessarily think so
I would not sacrifice value for the sake of taking a linebacker a round early, if that’s what you’re saying.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
I understand
But I would not take Mason Foster in favor of say, a guy like Mikel LeShoure. That’s what I mean by that.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
Great post
As always Sayre. I’m pretty high on the Peterson pick, but I’d be happy enough if we got Bowers or Dareus instead. The 2nd and 3rd on down I a bit sketchy on because I’ve looked at and read many mocks. Everyone seems to blend together a bit. I do know we need to spend what we have on defensive guys for the most part if not all. I figure if we do trade Orton we can pick up a 3rd and maybe a 4th as well. With those picks we can decide if we can bolster our OLine.
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Thanks a lot
I agree, Peterson, Bowers, and Dareus are right up there. All are great options for us.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Love it
Sayre I disagree with you on Fairley but this was a great post. I would be fine with Fairley, Dareus or Peterson (in that order) and if we could get Liuget in the second regardless of the 1st round pick I would be pumped. Love Robert Sands by the way and we need him at #46 or if he falls to the 3rd round pick.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!
Anyone but Fairley
He’s trouble.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
Thats what the combine interviews and other screening is for
Due your due diligence and decide whether you’re comfortable with the guy. If you aren’t then pass on him. If you are and he’s the best player, take him.
What's your defense for Fairley?
Thanks a lot for the comment, I’d love to hear how you would defend Fairley’s deficiencies. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just want to hear what you think.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
Sayre
I have read a few articles (local Aubrun ones) on Fairley and I know it sounds weird but I follow him on twitter and I get a feeling he is a good guy. He seems funny and goes by Little Nick. The laziness tag IMO is thrown around way too often when discussing DT’s in the NFL draft. I remember 2 years ago alot of us loved Raaji and all I heard was he can be lazy and “take plays off”. Most of these guys play with a high intense motor and it tires them out. As far as dirty, yes Fairley had a few plays (against Georgia) where he was dirty, othrwise I though he was tough and a bit feisty, but I would gladly take that here in Denver as I know the Coaches and Vets will teach him the difference between tough and dirty. Fariley is our guy IMO> However I also trust Fox, Elway and Xanders/Scouts to pick the right player and I will support whoever they take as they get personal interviews and alot of background info we don’t have access to.
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by The 3 Amigos on Jan 24, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
Fairley for sure
if the Panthers don’t pick him. I watched a lot of SEC and Auburn games…the guy was everywhere on D. The SEC is a tough division on top of that…5 straight national champs.
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Why no AJ Green?
He might be the best overall prospect in the draft…
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
Mark 16:15-18
haha little seriousness in that statement
but when talking about BPA, if AJ Green is there you have to consider it, considering BPA
i know defense, defense, defense
but lets look at our WR Corps
B Lloyd- One good year?
E Royal- One good year?
J Gaffney- Wiley old vet? Maybe on his way out
D Thomas- Tons of promise, made of glass
E Decker- Tons of promise, needs opportunity
I mean our WR corps looks deep but in all reality from as non biased perspective as I can get, really? Is it that deep? Or sometimes do we view it as more than it actually is because we love our Broncos?
Just saying…when you have the #2 pick you definately explore all options, not just defense
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
Mark 16:15-18
by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
No way we consider a wide receiver in round 1
by always broncs on Jan 24, 2011 10:43 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I think when you have the #2 pick, considering the investment in the players these days, you don’t ignore anything from a Front Office standpoint. That would truly be ignorance in my opinion
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
Mark 16:15-18
by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2011 10:46 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
You have to consider everything. I’m a big proponent of drafting the BPA with the caveat that need makes the decision all other things being equal. I think your honest assessment of the WR corps is definitely something to think about. That said, I feel like Peterson, Dareus, and Fairley are all so close as prospects that the screaming need on defense would outweigh the slight BPA grade that Greene represents. These are my three favorites in order:
1. Dareus (feels like the most complete DL to me)
2. Peterson (great at what he does and likely a long time starter in the NFL)
3. Fairley (highest bust potential on personality, but my god what a physical freak of nature. Talk about violent hits. Sheesh).
I’m not sold on Bowers and would rather have him in the the 4-6 pick range if we found a way to move back. He’s the first elite defensive prospect I might take Greene ahead of, but probably not.
agreed
But if during the interview process they felt uncomfortable with any of them it sure would be an interesting situtation
I like Peterson or Dareus
Id agree on Fairley, i just see bust written on his forehead
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
Mark 16:15-18
by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2011 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
The fan base would storm Dove Valley with pitchforks and torches!
No way would we consider drafting anything other than defense in the 1st round.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
in 2007, Lions fans said these
“There is no way the Detroit Lions draft Calvin Johnson this year. Absolutely NO WAY.”
Obviously, I once again underestimated the stupidity of Matt Millen.
Don’t misunderstand me: Calvin Johnson is a freakish athlete with an unbelievable amount of upside. Any player who runs a 4.35 40-yard dash in borrowed shoes has my attention.
But then again, I seem to remember two other ex-Lions who I still consider the best college wide receivers I’ve ever seen. Where are they now? One is out of football, and the other is doing his best to make JaMarcus Russell look in shape in Oakland.
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
Mark 16:15-18
by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2011 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
I am not suggesting taking a WR by any means, I like Peterson,
but I was just offering the point you dont completely rule out any possibilities. Especially if you aren’t comfortable with certain prospects.
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by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2011 10:56 AM MST up reply actions
mostly a joke Sayre
When will the NCAA admit that it is a business with the sole purpose for making money off of student athletes?
Mark 16:15-18
by waterboy31321 on Jan 24, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
I will put him in the next big board.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:52 PM MST up reply actions
The overwhelming need of help on defense trumps all
by always broncs on Jan 24, 2011 10:47 AM MST via mobile reply actions
I don't necessarily agree
But I know where you’re coming from
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
I understand the peterson pick. We need play makers on D
by always broncs on Jan 24, 2011 10:50 AM MST via mobile reply actions
People please stop saying that trading back is a viable option.
Not too easy.
I was the first one to say get Charles Johnson from Carolina and see what we need from there. But now im wondering if we could steal him from there. If we get Johnson, we have a lot of leeway to take a chance on Bowers/Fairley. And hey we could take Peterson and not have to worry about a solid young lineman in the draft. So my #1 priority is talking to Carolina and work something out so when the CBA is signed we trade him for Orton. Lets get this deal done already!!!
PS: I’ll take Paea, or Foster in the late second. lets not pass on them like we did when Maualuga fell to us like he did.
I think it's an option, certainly
If the right offer pops up, we have to consider it. And Charles Johnson is not going to be an easy get. the Panthers will likely overpay for him to come back.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Great Post Sayre!!!
I enjoy reading your posts even if we disagree on some players.
There is no doubt that Patrick Peterson is a great player and probably is the “Safest” Elite Player.
I still like Nick Fairley and love his nastiness – kind of like Pittsburgh’s nastiness.
If you check alot of Mock Drafts – Wilkerson will be going 20-32nd not our 2nd -2nd Round PIck.
Great read on this site.
http://draftace.com/blog/
Thanks man
I still do not like Fairley though, and Wilkerson I have not heard of as a first round choice. Not sure I’ve heard of draft ace either, so I don’t know how accurate they would be in making that projection.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
Rob Rang of nfldraftscout.com has him going #24
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock
He will not last til our 2nd – 2nd Round PIck
by Broncosfansd on Jan 24, 2011 1:02 PM MST up reply actions
Alright, if you want to make that guarantee
Go right ahead!
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 1:32 PM MST up reply actions
Glad to see someone like Dareus as much as I do
he’s amazing and has experience in the 3-4, so if we truly are going to run a bit of both I’d love for him to be the pick. He may not have the numbers but just how many 3-4 DE’s rack up sacks? He has an impact on most games, and was one of the few to make Cam Newton look human (if only for a half)
I’ll admit, I didn’t see a whole lot of PP, but beyond the obvious physical talents, I wasn’t overly impressed. I feel he has the “shutdown” title undeserved, as Julio Jones can attest to.
It's hard not to be impressed with Peterson
He really isn’t lacking anything at all. Julio Jones is a top tier prospect in his own right. Those guys had a good battle that day, and Jones won it. Peterson had his days also.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
I know he isn't lacking
but its just that I dont see the “shutdown” aspect in PP’s game to justify such a high draft pick
You just said you didn't hardly see any of him though...
lol, so how could you have seen it anyway?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 2:01 PM MST up reply actions
He's one of the best cornerbacks to come out in the draft since,
well, Champ Bailey. Seriously.
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Why am I underwhelmed with Bowers?
I watch highlights and think he might be the biggest potential bust on your board? The downside to Fairley seems to be his occassional dirty play, but he plays with some Nasty at times that our line could certainly use.
Really hope we get Peterson at this point. There will be lineman available in the second round that can have an impact.
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by OutOfYourElement on Jan 24, 2011 11:53 AM MST reply actions
Thanks for the comment
I don’t know, because the highlights on Bowers are pretty impressive. He probably has the highest ceiling of any DL in the draft right now, but his consistency is a concern, that’s probably why you see him as a potential bust.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
Clayborn will be productive in the NFL. He would be a great pick-up.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Jan 24, 2011 12:17 PM MST reply actions
No doubt
I like Clayborn a lot, and always have
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
I'll be drooling if Clayborn drops to the broncos in the 2nd round.
I’ll cry if we pass on him
Love the board
Mostly. I’d be pretty peeved if we took an offensive player at 36. I do agree that there isn’t likely to be a defensive player there that represents great value, especially if we take Peterson at no. 2.
In that case, I’d strongly lean toward best front seven prospect available. It could be someone like Martez Wilson or even Wilkerson if his stock keeps rising. I just can’t imagine going offense at that spot. How about this, assuming we move Orton for an early third:
Peterson
Wilkerson
Foster
Austin
Sands
I just feel like we need to grab the best four (or five) defenders available and address offense through free agency.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Jan 24, 2011 12:22 PM MST reply actions
I know why you feel that way
but we can’t ignore the offense completely. It’s not like we were an unstoppable force on that side of the ball…
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
I get that
I would rather we addressed our few needs on offense through free agency. Running back, tight end, even right tackle, can all be had whenver free agency happens to start. Those three positions, assuming we re-sign Harris, are not huge needs. If we do land a third for Orton or end up trading back for extra picks, I would be OK with Rudolph or maybe LeShoure in the second. If we end up with the four picks in the first three rounds, which seems likely considering the CBA status, I would still content that all defense is the way to go.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Jan 24, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
You've outdone yourself Sayre
nicely done buddy, nicely done. oh, rec’d.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
Do you pronounce the DT from Illinois
Lih – jet?
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I pronounce it "Lou-jet"
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Great list Sayre, some of my favorite players are here
I’m already on record here as voting for Peterson with the pick (if available) because he’s the most “can’t miss” of these defensive guys. Who knows what the Panthers will do but as you say they have even more horrible depth issues on the DL than the Broncos do so I will be very surprised if they don’t take one of those linemen first. Then Peterson should be ripe for the taking and they can draft Austin in the 2nd round perhaps. That said, I won’t cry if they get someone like Dareus either, who I really really like and then get someone like Smith in the 2nd round (though I am doubtful he makes it that far, but Broncos have very early pick in 2nd). Honestly I feel good about their chances for a good haul either way.
Fairley is a beast and as noted above if he does okay in workouts and interview maybe I will be wrong in my worries about him, and of course people do mature, too. But I really really don’t want the Broncos to have to go through more drama off the field so I have my concerns in that sense.
I really like Ingram too so am on board with that. though I certainly would be happy if Broncos instead sign Williams, we have to keep in mind with a CBA and a lockout possibility it could be a ways off before we see what happens in free agency and they may not want to chance not adding RB depth.
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lots of good comments
like reading about all the prospects. while i don’t disagree with taking the best athlete available, i don’t think we are paying enough attention to position need. since we can’t control the line of scrimmage defensively, it won’t matter if we take the best athlete in the secondary with a pick. conversely, if we can start with defensive pressure on the line then that will take some pressure off of our linebackers and secondary. i like dareus, then ingram, then wilkerson with our first 3 picks. trade down with #2 to get another pick. trade orton and moreno for another couple of picks. i can’t wait for the draft! thanks to bowlen for bringing back elway, i have hope again. i hope tebow is playing lots of catch with elway in the offseason, picking his brain for the keys to become our leader for years to come…
Certainly wouldn't trade Moreno
No way, no how.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 24, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
trsde moreno
i would trade moreno in a heartbeat. he can’t stay healthy, he doesn’t have breakaway speed, he doesn’t get the tough yards in the red zone. i was more impressed with ball’s toughness running the ball. but if we’ve got a shot getting ingram in the 2nd, he must be drafted. the guy is tough as nails.
Sayre What about....
Trading back into the teens, now here me out: We trade back with lets say Minnesota #13, if they are into a QB and get Next years First (2012) and a 2nd this year and take Liuget. We get a D-tackle who is not far behind Fairley (right with Dareus IMO) and pick up some great picks for this year and next year. I know that is alot to give up, but MInnesota may fall in love with Newton, or Mallet etc. Doubt it but I would be fine with that.
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Sorry, meant Minn a #12.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
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by The 3 Amigos on Jan 24, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
I hope the Broncos are superstitious
and intend to continue to avoid Clemson DLs like the plague ever since that Eason/McNeal debacle.
Worth nothing
I realize Pryce went to Clemson. If Bowers is Trevor Pryce, I’ll be okay with it.
Wow
I really don’t like your draft board at #36. Not at all. Wrong positions and the talent level of those at the #46 slot is actually higher than those at the #36 slot imo.
I can certainly see going with a draft board in that slot that isn’t just D-D-D and is mainly players who will likely be gone anyway by the time we pick. But I will be really disappointed if any of those names is picked in that slot.
Completely disagree
Rudolph, J Smith, Liuget, Clayborn they are great looks at 36 and clearly trump WIlkerson, Austin, Foster or Nevis. Now I like all these guys in the second round But Liuget and Clayborn are better than Wilkerson, Nevis or Austin.
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by The 3 Amigos on Jan 24, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Once in a decade type of prospect.
This team arguably needs 10 new starters on defense. If they re-sign Champ then it is down to 9. There are some players such as Ayers who won’t be replaced, but they certainly haven’t proved enough to be considered long term answers at their position.
Peterson is a once in a decade type of prospect and we should take him if he is available. I would rather take the surest thing and have a 13 year building block and go from there.
Fairley is not a once in a decade type of prospect at his position. That player is Suh and I am certain that both Suh and Mccoy from last year would go ahead of Fairley if they were in the same draft. If Fairley had the work ethic and character of Suh then fine, but he doesn’t
Nice draft!
I’m with you Sayre, the people bad-mouthing Patrick Peterson ought to actually watch some film of the dude. He is hands down the best player in the draft. If he falls to us I’m going to be ecstatic…
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Exciting times for mockers. Hopefully there will start to be some separation between the prospects. Last year Alualu was awesome in the senior bowl and landed himself in the top 10. Everyone at the time said that was a terrible pick for the Jags but he played really well this year. The cream should begin rising to the top this week, it will be interesting to see who excels. Oh and nice big board no complaints by me.
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All great guys only thing is i wish you would mention Cameron Heyward but he probably won't be around anyway
I really like the mock although I don’t think your analysis on Amukara is right. He lacks speed which champ bailey has a lot of. He can get burned. IMO no way is he worth the 2nd pick of the draft.
What he does have is very fluid hips which allows him to mirror very well. More importantly he is very physical which helps him compensate for his lack of speed. Problem is he HAS to be very physical because fast receivers will burn him. I would compare his potential to Darrelle Revis not Champ Bailey, different kind of CB. More likely he seems like the CB from Miami, Steve Smith, although i think Amukara has potential to be better.
@Sayre..spot on points and rev'd. Top-Shelve stuff.
CBA is the key, without it then no vet movement so Kyle would be a Bronco until a CBA.
I think the Combine is the key to slotting these players. And I agree that BPA MUST be considered with the #2 overall pick. BUT IT HAS TO BE TO A NEED.
What happens if Jake Locker tears the Combine up and transends to the top. Would Denver take him? IMO no. Best Player of need.
Come on March, I love the combine.
Young man again you have knowledge beyond your years.
I'm with DL above,
We should draft to need. At our positions, there are good players there. Although I’m sure PP will be a good defender, I don’t weigh in on the fact that he can return. Sure, it’s valuable. But my point here is we already have one, from what I’ve seen so far, although extremely limited, in Squid. Give this guy a chance, he showed flashes of great escape and speed. Squid’s the return guy we need.
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Nada re: Peterson
Peterson is a stud but I would rather have Fairley, Dareus or Bowers. Bowers and Doom on opposite ends? Wow. Moreover, we’ve had a great corner in Champ for years and our defense has been horrible.
Good post, though. I enjoyed reading it.

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