Best Realistic Situation for For Denver Going Into 2011
by Broncoz on Jan 6, 2011 8:22 PM MST
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Pre-Article: McDaniels Impact
Many may disagree, but McDaniels knew how to build a team. Well, he just recreated the New England roster. Here are some examples: Demaryous Thomas: Randy Moss, Brandon Lloyd: Deion Branch, he also molded Eddie Royal to a Wes Welker. He got rid of selfish players and brough in tam players. The talent on the roster and the coaching staff is tremendous. McDaniels just couldn't run the team. We need a disiplinary coach commited to exellence, like Bellicheck, and a smart offensive coordinator. We need a defensive coordinator that you can trust with major decisions. We shouldn't rebuild the roster or revamp the coaching staff. It starts though, with putting the needed coaches in place.
Head Coach: Mike Mularkey, Mularkey has the strength to command player respect, but still have an ingenious offensive mind. He is known for his ability to build a scheme around a player's talent. Would pick up where McDaniels left off, calling his famous trick plays. His work with Matt Ryan has been impressive, and he could help develop better accuracy for Tebow. He is a better fit than Harbaugh by a hair. A slightly younger version of Bellicheck. They should wait for him, because they will wait for Gregg Williams. (Who is a better fit, but won't leave the Saints)
Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach: Mike McCoy, McCoy has done an exellent job in this situation, but it wasn't good enough. He should lose his play calling to Mularkey. His play calls are inconsistent, un-polished, and too similar. He should keep his job for not only what he did to Tebow, but because he knows Tebow's strengths. He would compliment Mularkey's play calling, and teach Mularkey Tebow's strengths and weaknesses. Has head coaching in his near future.
Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach: Mike Singeltary, His ability to develop players like Patrick Willis would make him a great fit. He will try to climb back to head coachin as a defensive coordinator in Denver. His disiplinary instruction combined with Martindale's swagger would make a beast defense. Would make all of the major defensive decisions. He has also worked under Mike Nolan, he has already made this defense tick.
Other Coaching Decisions: Eric Studesville: R-Backs/Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Quality and Control Coach, he deserves a spot on the team. Don Martindale: Defensive Assistant/Defensive Quality and Control, keep swagger in the defense. Roman Phifer: Linebackers Coach, Deserves to be upgraded. Craig Aukerman: Assistant Special Teams/Assistant Linebacker, his expirience will hold him by a thread. Rich Tuten and Justin Lovett exchange positions, the team doesn't show enough energy, they want change. Ed Donatell: Add Defensive Senior Assistant to his Secondary Coach Position, Denver needs a wise defensive leader. Bob Wylie: Offensive Line/Offensive Senior Assistant, The line needs more expirience. Clancy Barone: Assistant O-Line/Tight Ends. Keep rest of staff the same including Brian Xanders, who will lear under Elway.
Trades: Kyle Orton and 6th rounder for Arizona 2nd rounder. Arizona wants Skelton to learn the ropes from a veteran, and I think they are this desperate. 7th rounder and Richard Quinn to Tampa Bay for 6th rounder, 7th rounder 217th, and 7th rounder 253rd. Tampa needs depth at tight end, and an edge-blocker for LeGarrette Blount.
Free Agency: Deangelo Williams, Richard Marshall, Jamie Kirlew, (2nd stint) Mercedes Lewis, Ryan Harris (Resign)
Notable Cuts: Daniel Graham, Andre Goodman, Renaldo Hill, Correll Buckhalter, Brian Dawkins (Retirement), Laurence Maroney, Champ Bailey, Russ Hochestein, Steven Haushka, Ryan McBean, Perrish Cox (Prison), Ben Garland, Mario Haggan, Marcus Thomas, Lee Robinson, Kyle McCarthy, Jeff Byers.
NFL Draft:
1st Round Pick: Da'Quan Bowers DE
Denver must redo their D-line. Bowers would play end on Dumervil's opposite side, and would replace Vickerson. A speechless pass rusher and an underrated run stuffer. He and Dumervil would make one of the best edge rushing teams in a long time. While most think he is a 3-4 OLB, he is 275-285 pounds of mostly muscle and is extremely athletic. I think he would be a great DE. He will probably add weight going into the league anyway.
2nd Round Pick: Brandon Harris CB
Denver will need to replace Champ Bailey, and would aquire a shutdown corner with great skills, he would be an exellent replacement and we wouldn't need Patrick Peterson. Learning from Marshall, Denver would have a great future corner who is a first round talent. I hope Denver realizes that Jimmy Smith has bust potential.
2nd Round Pick: Phil Taylor NT
A run stuffing beast. His stats show. An underrated pass rusher, and as I sain before, is a superb run stuffer. While the aging Jamaal Williams could be used in goalline situations, Taylor is exactly the young talent we need to boost our D-line. A rare talent to fall here.
2nd Round Pick: Quinton Carter FS
An exellent safety to replace Dawkins, he would work opposite of our next pick. A bruiser but a great person. Even recorded four picks in the last two years. A great fit.
3rd Round Pick: DeAndre McDaniel SS
McDaniel's stock has fallen since legal issues when he was younger. I believe he has gotten past that. He could be a great value pick. This guy is so tough that he played linebacker for a year. He has the potential to become an interception machine.
5th Round Pick: Greg Romeous DE
A developmental DE. Would learn under Bannan and Vickerson. After a few years, Romeous would take over, and Bannan would make some good trade bait. I belive he has the frame and size to be a 3-4 DE, like Bowers. He could be used in pass rush situations. Imagin him Dumervil and Bowers chasing the QB on 3rd and long. Now that is explosive.
6th Round Pick: Allen Reisner FB/TE
While being trapped under Tony Moeaki, and being a bit undersized, Reisner proved this year that he could be a valuable sleeper at FB of TE. I can see Denver using him as a tight end behind Lewis and the rising Gronkowski. He could also sub in for the often injured Larsen or if Larsen was needed at linebacker.
7th Round Pick: Chris Conte SS/CB
Even though he was misused at corner, he could be a valuable back-up., but at SS he is a beat with 70+ tackles, two FF, and a pick. His history with Thompson makes him great for the team. He would rotate with McDaniel at SS.
7th Round Pick: Mitch Mustain QB
A project QB who would be the emergency quarterback. He was a back-up this year to Matt Barkely, but could still be a good depth pick. While Denver might sign a veteran to teach Tebow, I think McDaniels taught him well.
Projected Depth Chart:
QB: Tebow, Quinn, Mustain
HB: Moreno, Williams, White, Ball (White goalline back)
FB: Larsen, Reisner, Gronkowski
C: Walton, Olsen, Paxton
RG: Kuper, Daniels, Olsen
LG: Beadles, Daniels, Olsen
LT: Clady, Beadles, Clark
RT: Harris, Beadles, Clark
WR: Lloyd, Thomas, Royal, Gaffeney, Decker, Willis
3DRB: Williams
TE: Lewis, Gronkowski, Reisner (Reisner for edge blocking)
NT: Taylor, Williams, Fields
LE: Bowers, Romeous, Kirlew
RE: Bannan, Vickerson, (Rotation) Romeous ( Pass-Only Situations)
ROLB: Dumervil, Hunter, Larsen
LOLB: Ayers, Hunter, Veikune
SS: McDaniel, Conte, (Rotation) Bruton
FS: Carter, McBath, (McBath for pass-only and relief situations) Bruton
CB: Marshall, Harris, Thompson, Conte, Vaugn
KR: Thomas, Vaugn, Decker
PR: Thompson, Royal, Vaugn
K: Prater, Colquitt
P: Colquitt, Prater
LS: Paxton, Kuper
Practice Squad: Britt Davis, Louis Leonard, Nick Polk, Eron Riley, Chevis Jackson, Kyle Eckel, Daniel Coats.
Conclusion: With this coaching staff, and them inheriting this roster, Denver would become an easy SuperBowl contender in a few years, if not next year. Please fill out the poll and make comments.
UPDATE: Harbaugh to 49ers, new candidates emerge.
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not skillset wise
Brady is uber polished and is a level of pocket passer/reader of defenses that Tim, and many others, will never reach. Tim, on the other hand, has skills that Brady couldn’t even think of learning and would die to have – his scrambling/power running/elusiveness. Where I believe, in time, they will be comparable is competitiveness, leadership, and that inner fire/“it” factor.
As of right now, Tim has much proving to do before we can compare him to Captain America, but seeing him in college, and so far in the pros, it’s not out of the question to that Tim’s intangibles are in fact comparable to Brady’s. One thing I love about both these players is that fire in their eyes when competing, and how they interact with their teammates – even the defense/special teams at times.
The thing that sets Tim apart here, is he has the mentality of a Mike backer, and the ability to run like Toby Gerhart – possibly even stronger. Both of these super talented QB’s do have one thing in common that even the staunchest of doubters can’t deny, the unyielding will to win, and succeed at everything they do (Tim with making a difference in others lives – Tom with nabbing supermodels for girlfriends).
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
P.S.
not trying to stir the pot, but it was laughable as well, when you were comparing Luck to some of those greats (Brady, Manning), and he hasn’t even played a snap in the big leagues. If it’s a guarantee to you that Luck is “THE BEST” QB prospect in 30 years, over Elway, Manning, Montana, Marino, then it should be equally as feasible to you that Tebow could one day match Brady’s success (both are a stretch at this point).
I guess what I’m sayin is, it’s OK for you to gush over Luck and assume that he will be Brady/Manning/Brees level, but it’s not OK to assume that McD envisioned Tebow as a Bradyesque type player (he must have or he wouldn’t have traded the farm to get him).
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 6, 2011 11:04 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
both have an unusual/unique will to win.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Actually McD said Tebow's work ethic was similar to the other QB's on the team
And really didn’t compare to Brady. But that was in TC so maybe it’s gone up since then.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
did you watch the documentary tonight Max?
tell me that is your average QB’s work regiment – you can’t. Of course McD is going to say that when another guy is starting. Where have you been, if you don’t mind me asking? Please don’t tell me that Tebow starting over Orton bothered you that much?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
;-) I've missed our debates brother.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I had to stop reading to post this comment...will finish reading after....
but…completely disagree with the assertion that McD knew how to build a team. The Tebow/Brady comparison is way off…maybe in terms of intangibles but that is it. D Thomas is certainly not R. Moss…different type of player. Same with B Lloyd/Branch. And finally, McD made Royal into the anti Welker…whereas Welker is one of the focal points of the new england attack, Royal has pretty much dropped off the radar. he was more a welker type BEFORE McD came into the picture. The talent on the roster is below average and the coaching staff leaves something to be desired.
OK…back to reading…I’m sure there are some good points you will be making.
"They are who we thought they were!"
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by gcman on Jan 6, 2011 8:42 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
"Well, he just recreated the New England roster. Here are some examples: Tim Tebow: Tom Brady"
Stopped reading after that.
Give you props for the effort you put into the post as it took a little while to scroll down to get to the comments, but uhh… yeah.
<3 KO Clutch... and Tebow a little bit.
"Fresh legs!"
This is no surprise.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
Oh c'mon, don't be so grumpy ;-)
What he meant – In his rebuild of the Patriots, McD envisioned Tim as his next Brady (Brady was a rookie once too, and not as highly touted as Tebow), DT as his next Moss, and Lloyd as his next Branch (really, Lloyd has been more comparable to Moss than Bey Bey). Gaff is the one I’d compare more to Deion Branch (who I think isn’t all that, and his success is a product of Brady, not himself – just look at his time with Seattle).
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Being realistic means knowing the Broncos won't have a winning season for quite some time.
Hopefully 2012…more likely 2013 or beyond.
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Kirkew and fields over Marcus Thomas!?!?!!!
Also your reasoning for the Quinn trade doesn’t seem to sit with me, we also need te
by Sergio AppleSeed on Jan 6, 2011 9:44 PM MST via mobile reply actions
We do need a TE
not a deadweight like Quinn (reminds me of the second coming of Jarvis Moss – they’ve both been worthless in the pros).
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
So then why is anyone going to trade a bunch of picks for him because they need a te?
by Sergio AppleSeed on Jan 7, 2011 12:39 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
they won't
I agree with that part of it. Rich Quinn is probably a bust.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
sorry but i think you need to blow this whole thing up. 2nd round picks for quinton carter and phil taylor are one possibly two rounds to early. I also don’t like the coaching staff as a whole. Time to face it Broncoz if Mc D knew how to build a teem our beloved broncos would not be 4 and 12 with the overall pick in the draft.
I love Wood on ST's, but not so much as an ILB
He might be worth something to a 4-3 team, as a weakside backer, but he does mean a lot to the Denver community.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
You lost me at the first paragraph
Sorry but I stopped reading when you said McD knows how to build a team.
“he just recreated the New England roster”
You give McD credit for that? No frigging way. You dont think Belichick had anything to do with it? I doubt McD deserves any credit for their team other than coaching up KC’s QB.
“Here are some examples: Demaryous Thomas: Randy Moss, Brandon Lloyd: Deion Branch, he also molded Eddie Royal to a Wes Welker.”
You mean Thomas, who garnered 22 catches for the year? Compared to Bryant who had 45 catches.
And Randy Moss was having a pretty good career prior to NE. It’s ludicrous to think McD deserves credit for Moss doing so well going from the Raiders to NE.
Deion Branch? Yes he is good. He is not great. And McD wasn’t the WR coach when Branch was there.
Royal had 91 catches his rookie year under Shanahan. Under McD, he had 37 and 59 catches. How is this improvement?
Lloyd yes. However, we were a one dimensional team and HAD to pass. He was the most experienced WR we had and he did respond. Thomas?
“He got rid of selfish players and brough in tam players. The talent on the roster and the coaching staff is tremendous. McDaniels just couldn’t run the team.”
Absolute nonsense. This can’t be taken seriously. I’m going to stop before I being to insult you.
he's tall, blonde, smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
by Scrappy Bill on Jan 6, 2011 11:54 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
It
takes a big man to not only know when to stop but it takes an even bigger man to have the self control to do so. I applaud you for those abilities under such outrageous conditions Bill. You made some realistic comments, made your point and got out with your pride. Have a good weekend, enjoy the games and know that you are a better man than most.
Good Mock
A bit of a different route but I like it. However I would like to see Jimmy Smith, instead, and maybe a LB in the latter rounds possibly Oregon’s Casey Mathews, or Nevada’s Dontae Moch who is flying up the boards.
I whole heartedley disagree about McDaniels
He took the #2 offense and completely stripped it bare. Our O is not ripe with talent.
"I’m not here to be a guru and have a system," he insisted. "My dad’s philosophy in Pittsburgh was always, ‘Just draft good football players and hire good coaches that take those players and put them in the best possible position to succeed. Don’t draft players to fit your system – make your system flexible and use the players that you have.’
Todd Haley
Yeah I know its the hated chiefs, but if McDummy had tried this instead of stripping the offense bare and getting nothing in return, then maybe the broncos could’ve won a few more games.
This System vs player analysis requires perspective.
The contrast between the “make the system fit the players” vs the"make the players fit the system" isn’t as simple as you may think. While you use Haley as your example of evidence the other side of the coin would be Bellichick, Walsh or even Lombardi and Landry. The reality is they had time to fully implement their system and in today’s NFL that is a rare commodity. Common sense would indicate that it will take longer to implement a system first approach because it will take time to find the "right " players to fit it, whereas a player first approach will probably produce results faster since you’re better utilizing the existing talent. The question then becomes how far can that talent take you and is it sustainable. Haley may sustain success but likely no where near what Bellichick has. FYI not defending McDaniels here simply making the point that many of the actual dynasties in the NFL were sustainable due to the system first approach.
"as in football so in life"
but
what do you think about if McDaniels used a hybrid of the two systems. It seems he shipped a lot of players out of here really quick, not to mention competent assistant coaches such as bobby turner and mike nolan
Totally agree with you that he botched the transition badly Calikula
Probably due to overestimating his own ability to find players quickly and overestimating his systems ability to be successful without premium talent.
"as in football so in life"
Quinn
Needs to go bye bye period. With the TE’s that are going to be in free agency. I’d take M.Lewis or B.Scaife over Quinn in a heartbeat.
I still see us picking Peterson with our first pick I’d rather have front seven but I just have the gut feeling we go for Peterson.
by broncofanturner on Jan 7, 2011 12:47 PM MST reply actions
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