Denver Broncos Coaching Search: Eric Studesville by Default?
by Tim Lynch on Jan 7, 2011 8:43 PM MST
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PrintThe Denver Broncos picked a bad time to shake things up in the front office. It is quickly becoming apparent that no self respecting potential head coach wants any part of Dove Valley. It begs the question, what exactly is the perception of the Broncos through the eyes of the rest of the League?
With the list of coaching prospects dwindling by the day, leaving a handful of inexperienced and unproven wannabes, where does that leave John Elway and this franchise as they try to move forward? I think it leaves the one candidate on the list nobody thought had a chance ten days ago; the one man capable of keeping the ship afloat as it springs even more leaks in its hull. That man is Eric Studesville.
It is painfully clear that the Broncos are no longer considered an elite franchise, but that doesn't mean they cannot someday regain that League-wide respect. The first step in that process would be to keep some of the current coaches with the team. Just a few short days again I was advocating a complete dismissal of the coaching staff, but now I wonder if less change is good change within an organization that has seen too much of it in recent years.
With most of the top prospects for the Broncos head coaching position unavailable because of the playoffs, the best option might be to go with Studesville and then surround him with experienced, albeit expensive, Coordinators. The best move that might come out of this is the retention of Ben McDaniels, the man responsible for Tim Tebow's continued development. It isn't that far fetched to think that Ben's firing could harm Tebow's progress more than we might have previously thought.
Hiring Studesville now, will allow Elway to focus on more pressing needs like Free Agency (if there is one this year) and the NFL Draft. The season ended, but until Elway and the Broncos make a decision, the offseason cannot begin. I don't know about you, but I am ready to move forward. There is nothing worse than the feeling of being in limbo - unable to think farther ahead into the immediate future. If Studesville is a mistake, then perhaps 2012 will bring a better fit at the head coaching position. For as it stands right now, I've seen no better fit than Eric Studesville.
So long as the list of head coaching candidate remain weak and uninspiring, I will quietly pull for Studesville for head coach. At least he is a known quantity. What do you think?
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Known quantity in what respect?
His .333 Winning Percentage? I like the guy and if there’s one coach kept I hope it’s him in some capacity, but the entire staff needs overhauled starting at the head. You advocate keeping “coaches” plural, so who else do you like? McCoy’s vanilla playcalling was infuriating and Chuck Woolery or whatever his name is should have gone with Josh.
Rest assured, I want two new coordinators. I'm talking positional coaches.
Tebow has a .333 winning percentage…under the circumstances, I think Studesville did okay – at least the team was competitve. Save for Orton’s last game.
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by Tim Lynch on Jan 7, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Studes
just screams high school coach to me. In one sense it’s refreshing to see a head coach just be a motivational figurehead that might as well not even be wearing his headset, but in another sense it seems like a competitive issue is this day and age.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 8:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
What do you think Todd Haley is? lol
I like Studs, IF we have two experienced guys at OC and DC behind him.
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Haley is a valid comparison
in terms of style, but he’s combative. Weis fled. Former players speak poorly of him.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed, a decent coach with good coordinators can be very effective
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
What about studs as OC?
Im creating a whole story in my mind off of one unsure observation I made during the SD game.. But I thought it was worth discussing…
I swear I seen Studs, thru the first three games, without a headset..
But in the second half of the SD game, where we seen GREAT playcalling, I noticed he did have one on..
Could it be that Studs took the controls on offense and in turn, we had success against the top D in the NFL??
Someone correct me if Im way off here.. thanks
by Broncos808 on Jan 7, 2011 9:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
It never works that way....
bruised egos are bad for the locker room. Especially for the next HC.
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No need to panic
Dear Mr. Elway,
As a life long Bronco fan I believe that we need to keep everything in perspective. Josh McDaniels put himself out on a long limb and rolled the dice too many times. With that being said there is a lot of positives that he brought into the building that was over shadowed by the very rough and dramatic wheeling and dealing. I sense a panic and we to do not need to panic at all. With a 4-12 record many will argue that we need to over haul everything but the reality is that football is a game of inches. We need a steady hand at the wheel and the front office should interview close to 10 candidates before we make that very important decision.
I watched the last 3 games again very carefully and I believe that if we took the field right now with the staff and players currently in the building we could very easily make the playoffs.
The biggest loss this past off-season was Mike Nolan. I like Wink and have a lot of respect for him as a coach. He has progressed a lot as a coach over this last quarter of the season but "continuity" on the Defensive side of the ball is something that should be on the very top of our priorities. DJ and Champ have had to learn a new scheme every year since we went to the AFC championship game in 2005. That is not a recipe for success for any team.
We need to take the desperation completely out of Dove Valley. We are not desperate for a coach or for players. We do not need to pay 8 million dollars to someone who has never coached in the NFL. We also need to keep our strategy close to the vest. No more press conferences or public speaking. Xanders and Elway should turn off the TV, computer and phones…shut the door and read "The Art of War."
We need to bring in someone who commands respect. A Dick Lebeau could be the perfect candidate for us and he should not hear his name through a press conference or ESPN. I think we need to let the world come to us because announcing that we are interested in someone who may or may not be interested in the Job is not making it any more attractive. Everyone (Fans included) needs to take a deep breath. Maybe focus our attention to Loyd, Woodyard, Thomas, Prater and Champ until the playoffs are over.
I think Elway will do a great job in the front office. First lesson is to not let the outside world (Press and Fans) dictate our decisions. We need to get a feel for the market and focus on being fundamentally sound both in the office and on the field. –Go Broncos
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
by 2010oc on Jan 7, 2011 10:56 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
Best comment I have seen regarding our coaching search...
Patience-Patience-Patience
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 8, 2011 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
Ben McD
Noticed upon re-reading that you advocate keeping him around. Has Tebow ever mentioned him in an interview as being any kind of tutor? Even if so, TT doesn’t strike me as the guy that needs a security blanket.
Beyond that, it’s one of the most awkward situations in sports. We don’t need reminded of what used to be while trying to go forward. Maybe he can change his name.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions
I love my brother, but he and I are nothing alike.
I’m willing to judge any man by his own deeds, not the deeds of those he might be related too. I also think Josh McDaniels will go on and make Broncomaniacs regret firing him – then again, McD needed this failure to make him a future stud HC.
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I agree on the McD front
McDaniels has at least as much upside as any of the candidates being bandied about, but he was given too much responsibility and for Elway to slide in he had to go.
You’re nothing like your brother, but would you maintain focus remaining with a company that wronged him so severely? You’d have to be a robot.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 8:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is Ben's first NFL gig - I can assure you he doesn't want it to end regardless.
I am sure he and Josh are fine on that. It’s the NFL.
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To use one of my favorite phrases...
This would be an unmitigated disaster…..
A journeyman running backs coach (whose running backs performed poorly) as HC? Ugghhh.
I just think that would be awful.
I mean lets at least get Fassel in here rather than Studesville.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 7, 2011 8:51 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, just how many "big name" coaches do you think are actually interested in Denver's job?
Especially considering the fact that the Broncos won’t be throwing money at them to help them make up their minds…. If it is an unmitigated disaster, then perhaps 2012 will bring along more fruitful HC candidates. Because this crop of candidates SUCK! :)
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Agreed....
The crop is not full of top level names.
But I’d rather give a Ron Rivera a shot than Studesville.
I think we are a little bit panicky at this point. There are other jobs that aren’t filled yet either. Give it a week.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 7, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
so we WASTE another year? Good gawd man you're high, right?
The search has only just begun!
There are dozens of possibilities out there!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Or we waste 2-3 on the WRONG FIT.
That’s my point. One year or three? At this point, nobody out there is worth a damn in my opinion – yet anyway. Screw it, go with Studs and reexamine the coaching staff next year…who knows, it might just work out!
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crazy. Absolutely CRAZY.
There are SO MANY possibilities to explore and we’ve only scratched the surface!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:46 PM MST up reply actions
How much time are we to spend wasting time, and losing time searching for all those possibilities?
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Dang... it's just been a week already.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
Whidbey I know you're busy but...
If I pulled some strings and got John to give you a call about the job would you be willing to speak with him?
I've got gratuitous amounts of energy!
by TheTroglodyte on Jan 7, 2011 10:30 PM MST up reply actions
The Job? BT?
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:01 PM MST up reply actions
I guess by "big name" coaches you mean Jim Harbaugh, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, guys like that?
Elway said the only college coach the Broncos were interested in was Harbaugh. He signed with San Francisco, and I don’t think he was really ever interested in signing with any other team. As for the others, what makes you so sure any of them are interested in returning to coaching? Or what makes you so sure the Broncos (or any team for that matter) are/were interested in any of them? There are about six or seven NFL teams that have either hired or are in the process of hiring new head coaches this year. Have you read or heard anywhere that any team has contacted any of the so called “big name” coaches for interviews? I haven’t.
by CompUser on Jan 7, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
right? +1
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Umm his runningbacks did pretty good
Its the oline that was bad
by Pmoreno95 on Jan 7, 2011 11:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Zappa, expect better from you man...
Where is your proof, or at least logical progression, that no one wants the Denver job? Because Mularkey put off interview? Because we would not sell the ranch for Harbaugh?
C’Mon man….this is just silly.
Dennison is my choice, the Broncos have a list of interviews as big as anyone, and the search has been going all of 2 days!
I think we need to stop reading tea leaves and let this play out.
Studesville? NO THANKS!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Jan 7, 2011 8:54 PM MST reply actions 8 recs
Dennison is a nobody
That’s his proof. But other names will surface. I’m mildly intrigued by Koetter.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 8:54 PM MST up reply actions
Nobody???? OK....go research him a bit...very ignorant comment BR1
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
LMAO! ignoramous
Great point! Belechick rode Ted Marchibroda’s coat taiis too.
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Any coach hired to replace an existing, successful coach who got promoted or retired
is “riding” that coach’s coattails, isn’t he?
And McDaniels was a somebody, right?
How did that work out?
Studesville intrigues me. And I do like Dennison. But I don’t think it’s time to panic. It appears to me the Broncos are rounding up some interviews, and I wouldn’t consider them all as weak. It’s just getting started.
Zap, patience, my friend. I don’t believe it’s as bad as you think. :-)
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
I'll try, but its hard to shake a bad feeling.
I live and die by my gut feelings too…so perhaps I’ll quietly root for my gut to die this time.
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by AZ BroncosFan on Jan 8, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
You can remove any former "Shanny" guys from you list...that's a fact.
I have no proof…it’s just a gut feeling and a general sense of what I am seeing from the rest of the league right now. I am being a realist for 2011.
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Past being a realist man...this reeks of wanting all problems sold yesterday! Fact? Elway was the guy that asked, and got, the interview with Dennison.
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Didn't Elway and Dennison play together on the Broncos?
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So what? Then if they did not want "Shanny" guys, why hire Elway????
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
So Shanny is the patriarch now?
Give me a break. Elway IS Denver.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
I just don't think it will happen.
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I will put 50 bucks on Dennison
He has actually said he wanted to coach the team, which is more than can be said for any of the others. I think he did a hell of a job with that Texans run game and would bring ours back as well. The idea of going back to the old zone blocking system just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. I am with boydy on this one, Dennison is the clear choice IMO.
"Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.''
-- John Wooden
"I've always joked about Joe Montana not appreciating his Super Bowls nearly as much as I do because he never lost one. We lost three before we got one."
--John Elway
I'd be thrilled to death with Rico
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I like Dennison a lot...
but his play calling against a VERY weak Denver D throughout the second half and especially at the end of the game was head scratching, to say the least. Wouldn’t you agree on that? If that is what Rick will bring to the table here, I am a bit leery of choosing him for the job.
Don’t get me wrong. I’ve met the man and he impresses me very much as a person, but I’m not sold on him as our next HC.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
Elway also asked for and didn't get interviews
With Harbaugh and Mularkey.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Bullshit...Mularkey has rescheduled...not cancelled...dont sensationalize things Max.....
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I've yet to see anything say he's coming back
But if you’ve got a link, I’ll change my mind. And Harbaugh did actually not want an interview.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Mularkey said he will take interview after Atlanta is done, and he took Cleveland's as they were in first:
From ESPN Article:
“Mularkey canceled his interview with the Broncos that was slated for Friday night in Atlanta, saying he wanted to focus on the playoffs, although he kept his scheduled interview with the Cleveland Browns on Saturday.
Mularkey indicated he’d like to talk to the Broncos if the job is still open when the Falcons finish their season — but that could be a while.
“It’s tough to wait until another month just because you lose the good coaches that are out there and everything,” Elway said. “But I think that he’s somebody that is very high on a lot of people’s lists and he’s still very high on our list. And so I think that we’d still like an opportunity to talk to him.”
Here’s the link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5998906
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Okay thanks for Elway's quote
Can’t wait to actually hear from Mularkey himself.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Actually, Mularkey said he still wanted the interview...but whatever...yopu keep being Max, Max!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I never saw he said he still wanted an interview
He says he’ll look at it if it’s still open when they finish their season. I would like this resolved before the end of January, but Elway, Bowlen and Ellis are in charge and if Mularkey is their man, they’ll do what they think will get him.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Mullarkey actually said he be very interested
if we’d be willing to wait
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
no doubt
Max would be a great debater, he has no quit in him. He can argue with the best of them ;-) Love ya Demon!!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Haha thanks
I just don’t quit when I think I’m right, until proven wrong. I wouldn’t mind Mularkey, but I would rather get this settled now then wait till the end of the month or later.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Hopefully he doesn't say, "I'll take the job, Mr. Holmgren."
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Do you see Cleveland lining up any other candidates? lol
Oh, except Perry Farewell and some other guy.
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They could be pretty good next season
Especially if McCoy develops well and the get some help for that defensive line. 8-8 or 9-7 is likely, too bad they play in that division.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Not a fan of McCoy's playcalling...
His third and fourth down calls in the SD game blew a chance for another Tebow comeback. I didn’t want to call him out by name in the post, but he is my least favorite person on the coaching staff.
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I meant Colt McCoy
But I agree with you on our McCoy.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Thank you for pointing this out
I kept thinking about Mularkey’s decision to postpone. I’m not sure how long an interview lasts for a HC job, but I know my history of interviews for jobs far less appealing, have lasted anywhere between 2-4 hours. So with that said, Mularkey has to factor in that the time he takes away from ATL playoff preparations. If he does Cleveland and us, that’s two days devoted to something other than Falcons football. His mind naturally will be elsewhere and I think it’s wise for him to wait. Might it cost him if the Falcons make a deep playoff run, sure; but coaches, like players don’t get chances to take a team to the SB every season.
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by bcfunk on Jan 8, 2011 7:23 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Mularkey needs prep time!
If I were to be interviewing for this type of job, no way would I go in unprepared.
Think of about 30 hours of preparation time as a minimum.
Might squeeze one in on the bye week, but TWO is out of question.
by el_DON_de_TAOS on Jan 8, 2011 7:55 AM MST up reply actions
Yep, he would most likely not be able to put his best foot forward for the Falcons or the interview. I rate him for doing this...shows his commitment to the team!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
agreed
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
Harbaugh didn't even give Elway a chance to offer
He knew he didn’t want come here, thus why he didn’t even bother wasting an interview. And I’d love a list of big names who are actually in the running for Denver, because I haven’t heard of anyone with a lot of past success looking for this job.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
absolutely.
+1
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:41 PM MST up reply actions
Agree boydy
I am not a real fan of Denmnison in this situation, but Denver is still an attractive franchise.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
Someone summarized this very well in another thread
I crossed out where I disagreed with them, but the vast majority of their post was dead on:
Everyone seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room – the fact that many quality head coaching candidates are apprehensive to come to Denver, whether it be the front office structure, the perception of Bowlen,the poor personnel in place, how the McDaniels situation was handled or all of the above. Quality candidates have options, and it seems like the Broncos aren’t high on their list of places to go.
When McDaniels was hired, the Broncos were considered the top job in the league with a first class owner who was committed to winning and a rising star at QB. This was evident by Bowlens willingness to spend the dollars, understand that patience is necessary to build a winner, and make wholesale changes when the old way of doing things stopped working (he fired his close friend Shanahan, who had done great things for the organization).
Fast forward, 2 years later and the perception has completely changed. The top head coaching candidates are blowing us off left and right. The job is perceived as a terrible job which only a lame duck HC would take.
Coaching candidates aren’t stupid. They see the disorganization in our front office. They see the fact that we could have at least conducted a GM search and done our due diligence, but we didn’t. They see that we long to go back to the past – first by hiring Elway, then the Kubiak rumors, then the Dennison and Calhoun rumors. They see a lack of coherent vision, commitment, and consistency to how we want to build a team. They see a front office in disarray who just threw their HC under the bus.This was a front office that let their head coach fire the defensive coordinator 6 years in a row!
On top of it, it’s pretty much common knowledge around the league that McDaniels was a very talented HC whose teams were prepared and well schemed. I’ve never seen a guy pop up on HC candidate lists immediately after being fired for going 4-12. Sounds like he was pretty competent and thought of highly around the league if you ask me. If I’m a long time coordinator, I see this really talented, young coach, thrown out of the position by a dis-functional front office, a mob mentality fan base, and a clueless local media. I may think I’m not as talented as that guy, and they just fired him.
What’s changed since McD was fired? Oh yeah, they brought in a guy to run football operations with no NFL or personnel experience and still don’t have a plan. Doesn’t inspire confidence.
On top of that, the team will have to start a 2nd year QB that needs the right system and coaching, the team has a lack of talent on defense and scheme specific players, depth problems across the roster, an aging secondary, and 2 of its better defensive players have legal problems, and the job doesn’t seem so appealing does it?
Studesville appears to be a good position coach and a very positive voice in the locker room, but he is about as qualified to be HC as Wink.
I think it’s best to wait this one out and see who the organization will end up with. Hopefully, the coordinators will maintain the systems already in place and inspire some confidence.
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by Horsepower on Jan 7, 2011 8:55 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
Can you point me to the link...I'd like to rec this. :)
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Sorry Tim - one more time
See #18. link.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
I don't think that's an accurate summary at all
The argument can be made that the FO tucked McDaniels into a nice bed with a fluffy down comforter, but it was very McDaniels himself who shit the sheets.
A 30-something given free reign
with an NFL franchise. Yeah, that was going to end well. If McDaniels asked for that much control, he deserves the consequences. But I think it’s pretty clear he was set up to fail. When Elway reiterated interest in a prominent role, Josh was a walking dead man.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
The FO
is trying too hard to throw McD under the bus. They saw how things were going in ’09 and ’10. Why did they give him enough rope to hang himself with?
I think because they do not have a plan – a vision of what they want the team to live up to.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Bowlen turned into Al Davis
He lost it. But props for realizing it was lost and shaking up the front office, taking himself out of the war room.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:21 PM MST up reply actions
I would agree if
Joe Ellis was still in charge of the football side of the franchise, I believe that Pat and more specifically John have a very specific plan and vision for the Broncos. I also believe that Xanders did not have the support in the front office to over ride McD’s bad decisions. That’s the main reason I thought/think Ellis should be gone. Regardless the details of the past dealings will never be know to us fans. I just wanted to voice my disagreement with your general idea that the front office doesn’t have a plan.
McD and Xanders reported directly to Bowlen though
so if someone did not support Xanders, it was Bowlen, not Ellis. This is a clear sign of trying to let one person who is promising solve all of the problems. In reality, a strong staff is needed. One that is compatible with the style of football that the Broncos want to play.
I honestly don’t know what style of football the FO wants Denver to play when their coaching search spans across so many styles. These are the things that indicate to me that there is no direction. Denver looks like a ruderless ship, hoping that someone will be willing to come on board and try to steer it to shore.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
by Horsepower on Jan 7, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I can tell you what style of play #7 is looking for
that old Broncos brand. Rollouts, bootlegs, one cut running, zone blocking – like our championship teams. As far as the rollouts/bootlegs, Tebow is perfectly suited for the job. Add in his power running ability, to go along with our backs (Knowshon would thrive in the one cut/zone blocking scheme), and we can start owning the ground again.
I truly believe that Elway wants more than anything, some continuity on the D. Switching to the 4-3 right now, would interrupt that flow, and set us back another couple years. Just hearing him in passing at his press conference, it seemed like he was eager to keep that 3-4 in tact.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 7, 2011 11:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Keeping the 3-4 is good - switching offenses now is risky
if Elway wants to see the WCO here again, then that’ll test a new O-line that was just coming together. It’s possible that they could do it exclusively (Walton and Beadles) but no one knows until they try. The WRs can play in any system, but the Tight Ends and Running Backs can’t.
Buckhalter would thrive in a zone-running system. But Knowshon Moreno is more ideal for a power running scheme. ZB requires a running back to have great vision and recognize a run-back lane opening up as it happens. The RB then needs to make one cut on a dime and go north as fast as they can. Moreno doesn’t do this well. His big runs come from gap-blocking plays and I have seen it many times during games. Honestly, he is such a shifty runner, that I don’t think the guy can run in a straight line.
Instead of being able to focus on the defense, as Xanders said, now the offense would need a makeover. I sure hope Elway recognizes this.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Why'd Elway sign up then?
It’s not like he’s just been playing on the beach the last dozen years. He’s engaged in ventures that required vision and commitment, and I can’t see that he would take a spot with the Broncos just to goof off on Pat’s dime.
by MakeCents on Jan 7, 2011 11:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I believe that he's serious
but he may not know what he is getting into. In his press conference on Wednesday, he admitted there was a lot that he didn’t know. Humility is great, but then he needs to actually go out and bring in that talent that can teach him what he doesn’t know.
And that talent is not exactly lining up for interviews.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Ellis's vision
seems to be looking into the rearview mirror. Trying to get back that lightning in the bottle by bringing Elway back into the fold. I’m excited John’s back, but I worry that they’re trying to build a bridge to the 20th century. (Forgive the political connotation.)
That said, I do see them “positioning” things with regard to McD and X’s relationship to make X come off like a straight up guy. They probably feel they have to do that as part of their initiative to get in good graces with We The Fans again. Personally, I’d rather they just shoot straight with us. I think John will.
In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.
by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:54 PM MST up reply actions
I think John is a straight shooter
but he’s learning on the job. Notice he tweets every time he sets up an interview, then a day or two later, we find out that the interview is off. Perhaps a more seasoned VP would wait until they know the interview is going to take place before they advertise it.
I agree with you that they’re caving to the fans. It doesn’t mean that it won’t work, but it is an indication that they don’t have a vision of where they want this team to go. You can deal with the mob if you know what you are trying to accomplish. But when the direction is cloudy, it is easy to react to them. But once you do that, you may quickly realize that you are in even worse shape, especially if you can’t acquire proven talent in your staff.
I’ll give it a chance though. Wait out the month of January and see what happens next month. Hopefully this will come together, but no one can deny that the coaching search has gotten off to a rough start.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Its not caving to the fans...its keeping the fans INVOLVED in whats going on...no way would you want to be caving to ANY fan base, let alone the maniacs that make the most noise in our fan base!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
The McD firing was caving to the fans, pointed out by broncosmontana – trying to get in the good graces of the fans.
What Elway is doing is a different topic. I think he’s burning a lot of energy to try to bring credibility back to the organization. But each time he tweets he has someone on his list to set up an interview with and that interview doesn’t take place, makes him look powerless. And that is not a perception you want to create – that’s Schwarzenegger territory!
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Bullshit!
The McD firing was caving to the fans
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
Not bullshit
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
absolute BULLSHIT!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
he SUCKED
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
His firing was a direct result of Bowlen cowing to the kneejerking fanbase.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
uh huh.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Let's review
1. News of Spygate II breaks.
2. Pat Bowlen announces that McDaniels’ job is safe and he is the Head Coach moving forward.
3. The fans and Denver Post go crazy.
4. The Broncos fire McDaniels a week later.
Pat Bowlen did not fire McD right after Spygate II. Only after he heard the deafening sound of the mob did he realize he needed to calm the fans down. He reacted to the fans / mob. Deal with it.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
So the Abysmal record or questionable personnel moves had NOTHING to do with it? Also, the Broncos’ retraction of Bowlen’s “vote of confidence” came mere hours after after Bowlens first statement. Hardly time for the fans and DP to “go crazy”.
One last thing: can we please lose the snarky “Deal with it” comments? We’re adults here, not children.
I did not say that
it was probably a combination of events, including the impatience that was building in the Denver media and fanbase. Yes, the losing record was a part of that.
But the straw that broke the camel’s back was the reaction: “we’re cheating and we’re still losing?!?”
BM…why don’t you read Whidbey’s laundry in this thread before you decide who is being snarky.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
I couldn't agree with that post any more
If you’re looking for a job and you have the impression that ownership is more interested in placating the fans than having your back, why would you want to come here?
What really disturbed me about the McDaniels firing was that it felt like it was done as a reaction to fan pressure. I don’t want my front office listening to the fans! I suppose that might be a strange sentiment, but the entire point of having these people is that they’re supposed to know more than us. I didn’t always agree with the things that McD did, but I respected that the had the brass balls to see it through, and I (previously) respected the ownership for letting him do it.
by soviet_cosmonaut_hatski on Jan 7, 2011 9:42 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
what utter nonsense. Blowing us off left and right?
On top of it, it’s pretty much common knowledge around the league that McDaniels was a very talented HC whose teams were prepared and well schemed. I’ve never seen a guy pop up on HC candidate lists immediately after being fired for going 4-12. Sounds like he was pretty competent and thought of highly around the league if you ask me. If I’m a long time coordinator, I see this really talented, young coach, thrown out of the position by a dis-functional front office, a mob mentality fan base, and a clueless local media. I may think I’m not as talented as that guy, and they just fired him.
Idiocy.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:43 PM MST up reply actions
This
Some people never fail to amaze me. When tons of league affiliates/officials/coaches, were asked what they thought about Spygate II, most of them didn’t have kind things to say. There’s no doubt in my mind that McD knows how to coach a passing attack, but personnel/running game/defense, clearly lacked.
McD will be a good coach one day, but I’d rather have Elway and his horse (Bronco) sense any day. The biggest difference between John Elway and Josh McDaniels is Elway knows what it takes, and means, to be a Bronco. All McD knew was how to be a Patriot, and not even very well.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Agreed... Heres my problem with this thought process from the comment above.
I read this:
On top of it, it’s pretty much common knowledge around the league that McDaniels was a very talented HC whose teams were prepared and well schemed. I’ve never seen a guy pop up on HC candidate lists immediately after being fired for going 4-12. Sounds like he was pretty competent and thought of highly around the league if you ask me. If I’m a long time coordinator, I see this really talented, young coach, thrown out of the position by a dis-functional front office, a mob mentality fan base, and a clueless local media. I may think I’m not as talented as that guy, and they just fired him
And it ticks me off. You really think McD was fired because we were losing? You really think he was fired for the strange personell moves (which I think only really apply for 2009 and no so much for 2010)? I’m not saying that had nothing to do with it, but the main reason was the whole video taking incident.
Think about it, if you worked at a large company, and you’ve been working there for 20 years. You steal a box of office supplies, noone is really gonna care, they might give you a “notice/warning”.
But if you the nose picking new hire and you steal the same box, your ass is probably going to get fired.
Ohh and my favorite thing about the whole comment. Talking about how McD was a talented HC but then goes on to say:
On top of that, the team will have to start a 2nd year QB that needs the right system and coaching, the team has a lack of talent on defense and scheme specific players, depth problems across the roster, an aging secondary, and 2 of its better defensive players have legal problems, and the job doesn’t seem so appealing does it?
So wait, he’s a very talented HC who was basically fired because of the fans, front office, and media… yet the team he leaves behind has all these issues? Sorry can’t have it both ways.
And I was one of the people who was kinda upset he got fired. I understood it, but I still beleive if the video taping crap didn’t happen he’d still be here, no matter what the record.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Jan 8, 2011 12:51 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
It's not having it both ways
it just so happens that they are both perceived to be true. The issues left behind are issues McD couldn’t fix fast enough. They are not issues that he himself caused.
Do you ever wonder how the season could’ve gone had there not been so many injuries? If the starting 5 O-linemen had played since week 1 and Dumervil hadn’t gone down in Training Camp? I highly doubt these wouldn’t have mattered.
Look. I love the team too and I know it hurts to hear this, but I don’t think this is considered to be a desirable place to work for a HC candidate around the league. The Denver Broncos are a laughing stock right now and it’s going to take time to change this.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
QUIT IT! Dead Horse here! Quit beating it.
McD Caused Our Current Issues.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
Wrong man.
McD played a role, but it was a minor role. The issues with this Broncos organization run much deeper than a failed 20 month coach. If you can see that, you are not being intellectually honest with yourself.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
really? Smaller tokes man!!
He left us with the same thing Shanny did ONLY WORSE!
I could have done better in both drafts!!
Pretty simple. The offense had problems but the defense had FREAKING PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD COME IN FOR SHANNY AND DISMANTLE THE OFFENSE BEFORE FIXING THE DEFENSE!!!
Intellectually honest? Do you hypnotize yourself in the mirror each morning?
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
Not sure...I am sorta hypnotic.
Must be my good looks and Zohan-like chest hair.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
More like Kip Winger chest hair probably...
Let’s go ahead and disagree on McD.
I win though. He’s GONE.
Let’s trust John and get behind the next OUR GUY.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:22 AM MST up reply actions
1 word of advice for you
B-R-E-A-T-H-E
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
I'm sorry, where is McD's name being tossed around as a potential HC?
I have seen nothing, nor heard anything concerning him being offered any positions of any type anywhere. If anything, I’m reading that he is considered a bit of a pariah in the NFL right now.
49ers for HC
San Francisco was interested a couple of days ago according to ESPN.
Now, the Vikings have already interviewed him, but for OC according to thevikingage.com.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
It's Dennison
He fits the mold. He interviewed extremely well last time. He is a known commodity. He will be a top candidate and the horse I’m betting on unless a long shot comes out of nowhere.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
The Dennison call reeks of desperation by Elway as the rest of his "interviews" fall through.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
Little harsh.
If anything I think it’s a favor to keep his stale name out there in NFL circles, though unless Randy Gradishar gets a gig somewhere he’s likely to stay with Kubiak.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:07 PM MST up reply actions
Really??? Wow...one of the few candidates that has:
- Played for Broncos on defense and ST stalwart.
- Coached for Broncos.
- Coached special teams.
- Coached O Line.
- Coached offense.
He has everything this team needs. How can you write this off as desperation?
What? You taking writing lessons and ideas from Legwold now!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
by boydy2669 on Jan 7, 2011 9:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, just uninspired by these candidates.
Enough so to advocate not doing anything.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
We hire Studesville??? Thats uninspired...where the hell did this post come from man? You are better than this my friend!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Because, Rome wasn't built in a day...
this Broncos organization won’t recover in one season. Let’s give Studs a chance, he fails, then perhaps we’ll find a better fit. I took Elway’s own words to heart. I don’t see the right fit in any of these candidates, including Studs…so its better – in my mind – to wait and see. A great executive knows when to not act.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
I agree Boydy
Tim has been super flip floppy of late. What’s up with you Tim? Are you excited for a new brand of Broncos, or not? Jump on the ship bro, it’s the only one sailing out from Denver.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Reeks of desparation" hardly equates to 'just uninspirted"
As BR1 said “a little harsh”, hardly conducive to evenhanded discussion.
Personally, I don’t think we need another “star” hire or a “retread”. Kubiac most intrigued me but Dennison may have staying power even beyond him.
The bottom line is hiring a HC that fits and will mesh with a long term organizational plan is what I would like to see.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 8, 2011 6:54 AM MST up reply actions
What did the Broncos do during this genius' tenure?
Not much. Elway is omnipresent at Dove Valley, but don’t let his inclusion fool you. The Broncos are torching the past.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:13 PM MST up reply actions
Zap, if you remember,
Dennison impressed the Broncos greatly two years ago with his intelligence and detailed plans. Why wouldn’t they call him?
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Because hes not Harbaugh.
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
IMO
No coach coming out of college or otherwise is worth a 25 million dollar gamble. The Niners could be paying Harbaugh 5 million a year to coach someone else or sit on his couch in a couple of years. Way too much to gamble on a coach IMO.
I agree...I would have been PISSED had we paid that for Harbaugh...and I really like him!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
agreed
Super knee jerk to hire a first time, NFL head coach for 1st round draft pick money. I’m glad Elway pulled out of the sweepstakes, people either forget how much sense/smarts that #7 has, or they just like being negative and complaining. Was Tim an Orton/McD supporter? Is this the reason for his disdain?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
The Broncos did not have a prayer on Harbaugh from the beginning
And the issue was location, not the Broncos. Harbaugh got his 6.5M, and he didn’t have to move anywhere. Wouldn’t that be a tremendous motivation for any one of us?
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
AZDynamics
You could be right but I’m with Boydy I would have been pissed if they signed him to a 5 year 25 million dollar contract because if he succeeds he’ll want more before the end of the contract and if he fails that’s a huge sum of money to eat.
Oh and if anything
Shanahan’s lack of success without Elway and Holmgrens lack of success without Favre although he had a bit more success than Shanny prove the players are more important than the coach in my opinion.
I don't disagree with Boydy . . .
I was speaking from Harbaugh’s point of view. I believe the reason Harbaugh signed with the 49ers without giving the Broncos an interview is because of where the 49ers are located, as opposed to the Broncos. I know I wouldn’t want to move if I didn’t have to . . .
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
I agree with you AZ...Harbaugh just drives to a different facility and gets more money...and family and kids lives dont change!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
You both could be right
with the exception that he Adam Schefter or Jason LaCanfora I can’t remember which one reported that Harbaugh could have made more money at Stanford if he met incentives in his contract or maybe it was a new deal.
If he isn’t sure enough to gamble on himself I’m glad the Broncos didn’t. Either that or he really wanted to coach in the NFL.
you hit it on the head AZ
Harbaugh will hear a lot less griping from his old lady, now that he’s making much more money, and still in his families backyard.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
and probably the fact
that Denver has two new sheriffs in town in a VP of Football Ops and an empowered GM. He may have sensed he wouldn’t have the freedom here that he wanted.
Which is why Dennison makes sense to me. I have a hard time imagining any friction between he and the Broncos brass in its current alignment.
In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.
by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:33 PM MST up reply actions
Dennison is a Bronco through and through
With him as head coach, Elway as defacto general, and Xanders as GM, we will have the most “loyal to the Broncos” staff, that we’ve ever seen assembled. Xanders was so loyal, he let McD (who had fooled Pat into thinking he should call all shots) run the ship because he was told to.
It never fails to amaze me the animosity some fans hold over Bowlen, and now Elway, claiming DeCosta (a hot name, but not a Bronco) as a much better option. Who even knows if DeCosta would do anything once pulled out from under Newsome?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Indeed
Elway even said he’s been going to DeCosta for advice, so it’s not like we’re ignoring the guy.
I do think that if we’re going Back to the Bronco Way, we shouldn’t pussyfoot around and go all in. Dennison just makes a ton of sense. I’m still holding out for Shottenheimer though. John + Marty would restore balance to the universe.
In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.
by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:46 PM MST up reply actions
You have the wrong Ernie. DeCosta is to young to have drafted Elway
On whether he will lean on anybody outside the organization for advice
"I have had a couple of conversations with (Former Cleveland GM) Ernie Accorsi and he has been very helpful. I talked with him for about an hour on the
phone. If you don’t know who Ernie was, to have that conversation, it was a nice conversation because we has actually the one that drafted me in Baltimore
and then he was in Cleveland when we had ‘The Drive,’ so thank God there was no animosity and he took my call, but there is a guy that has a great deal of
experience, has been a very successful GM in the NFL for a long time (and) he is now retired. So, I said, ‘I am hopeful that you will continue to take my calls
because there are a lot of things that I would like to bounce off you,’ and he was very generous and said he would love to be able to do that. I look forward to
learning from him and seeking his advice.
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lol
of course. Thanks for the correction, hc. : )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 9, 2011 1:29 AM MST up reply actions
I never considered him a candidate. Even before the Sugar Bowl
with all the hoopla of Elway attending the game.
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Tim
what rock or book have you been living under? Stanford kicked the crap out of Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl not the Sugar Bowl not sure the Sugar Bowl even exists anymore, I think it was the one of the big four that disappeared.
Sugar Bowl
Was played two nights ago. OSU beat Arkansas.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:28 PM MST up reply actions
What rock are you living under?
The Sugar Bowl definitely still exists. You are on an online blog so I assume you can use the google machine, right?
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jan 7, 2011 9:30 PM MST up reply actions
Oh yeah...sorry...I got my bowl games mixed up.
I watched both…as if it matters, the BCS system is garbage anyway – its hard to tell who is best.
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obviously.
But the drama queens just HAVE to have some other meaning than that realistic one.
From the start the Bay was his preference. It’s his HOME!
Hell, he even coached for the Raiders for awhile.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:50 PM MST up reply actions
I also think he wanted to be in the conference his brother is NOT in.
The funny thing is that they will play Baltimore next season.
If there is a next season.
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I don't think Harbaugh ever intended to sign with any NFL team other than San Francisco.
He was playing the market, and if he didn’t get hired by San Francisco, he would have stayed at Stanford.
How can a Bronco Guy, who was high on the list last time around, sound like desparation. Once Kubiak was retained in Houston I have been waiting for the call for Dennison…not saying he’s the guy but it is not desperate to bring him back in.
by cfive4Broncos on Jan 7, 2011 9:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nepotism = fail
It was a sad decade of Broncos football. Why rehash it’s coaches?
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:23 PM MST up reply actions
no freakin way is Rico a desperation move
Rico Dennison would be absolutely perfect for this franchise. We know he’s loyal (not to little Napoleon, but the Broncs), he is a master of something we desperately need back – offensive line, and he knows what it takes, and what it means to be a Denver Bronco. I would pee my pants with excitement to reunite with this man.
Wow Tim, have you lost all faith or what. Perhaps if you quit focusing on the negative, you would realize that we have a grand opportunity here with Elway, and we have a shot at finally doing something. You really seem like you’re reaching for things to gripe about, when in reality, one coach chose a spot in his backyard over us, and the other postponed, not declined. Be excited bro, or else you’ll be kicking yourself, down the road.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Well said 1st paragraph, PH
I’m getting a STRONG vibe about Dennison. If I was a betting man, I’d bet heavy on him. He’s exactly what John is looking for, minus the HC experience — which he will more than make up for by having a lot of good friends to lean on for advice, like Shanny and Gibbs, for example. I’m completely ready to give him his shot if he’s interested.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:31 PM MST up reply actions
We'll see
It wouldn’t surprise to see Dennison among finalists and Studsville nothing more than an after thought. Seems to me Studsville “reeks of desperation” much more so than Dennison. Has he been a coordinator before? How long has he been with the Broncos?
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Jan 8, 2011 8:15 AM MST up reply actions
Repectfully disagree!
I understand the concern and the premise but just because the “hot college coach” of the year went somewhere else for a guaranteed $25 million whether he coaches five years or not and one coach “postponed” his interview does not mean all top candidates think Denver is a bad place to coach.
Most of the top candidates aren’t available due to their teams playing this weekend in the playoffs. Let’s see what happens in the next few days, if Perry Fewell one of the hot coordinators this year cancels or Ron Rivera doesn’t want to interview then maybe your “gut feeling” has some merit.
I for one at this time think your “gut” is over reacting.
Everyone thinks I'm talking about Harbaugh..screw Harbaugh - I never even had him as a remote possibility.
Ron Rivera is available and he hasn’t been contacted yet? Or more likely, he has been contacted and nothing materialized.
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Hes on the list...and Xander's said they are attempting to contact SD...wow...what has got up your butt man?
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Actually Time
the Charger’s have been contacted and no nothing has materialized for an interview yet but the search officially started sometime Wednesday afternoon after Elway’s press conference. Let’s give them a little time.
You should save this post for a week maybe two and the throw it out. This is not going to be a quick process. It is going to be a process that interviews many candidates and hopefully the right coach will be picked.
I would rather the Broncos be methodical rather than in a hurry if that’s what it takes to hire the best coach available.
Oh and not saying you are specifically
thinking Harbaugh but since you give no list of coaches that “jilted” the Broncos the only two possibilities that we know for sure at this time are Mularkey and Harbaugh. What else do you expect us to think?
I don't know...perhaps i didn't articulate my position well enough.
My point was, I’m not liking the list of candidates out there – better to wait and go with Studs for a year. Bring in a few top flight coordinators and see if we could duplicate the success KC has had in doing that. It is a copy-cat league. :)
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Tim
if that’s what you meant, know your point didn’t come across well at all, that’s why we are all in an uproar!
The problem I see with that logic are what “top flight” coordinators are going to come in and work under Studesville? Just a question, I agree KC’s succes isn’t due to Haley but Crennel and Weis but not that many people see it that way.
Yes, which is why the only "top flight" coordinators out there available for the Broncos jobs
will be gone by next week. Wade Phillips is already gone….Singletary is next…so we’re pretty much up shit creek on that idea too.
Now are you beginning to see why I am frustrated.
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paranoid delusional ...where will they go Tim?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
Singletary was a LB coach before he became HC
He has no experience as a DC. I don’t know if he qualifies as a “Top Flight” coordinator.
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Uh
New here but since when was Singletary a “top-flight” coordinator? Or even A coordinator.
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:33 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I just like him. :)
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does it REALLY have to be one of the NAMES out there that ESPN and the sports news in general is pushing?
goodness gracious
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:53 PM MST up reply actions
Let's not panic.
There’s time. The season is over for all but 12 teams…11 if you’re like me and believe the Seahawks are already overcooked.
I like Dennison. Studes? He’s a good guy, the players like him and he had a positive attitude and a lot of energy.
But for once – and you can feel free to save this post somewhere – I totally agree with Woody Paige. I don’t believe Studes is the future. He’s a great guy but as a RB coach he’s left a great deal to be desired, to put it politely.
He kept the ship from completely sinking, if not entirely afloat and we owe him our gratitude – but I don’t think we owe him the keys to the kingdom.
Just my opinion, but I stick by it.
If Warren Sapp is so damn smart, let him take the snaps.
Studesville outcoached McDaniels
With Studesville at the helm, each game was at least competitive. McDaniels’ teams were floating in the breeze each game day.
I say keep McCoy as offensive coordinator, hire Dennison, and maybe, just maybe keep the existing D-coordinator for another year.
43-13 loss to Arizona
a team that scored 12 the next week. Killed by the Raiders, squeaked past the Texans at home, Tebow kept San Diego interesting. Whatever the case, not seeing where you’re going with that.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:26 PM MST up reply actions
Tebow kept things close, not Studes.
Studes was terrible against Arizona with Orton. Tebow carried us to victory in spite of Studes against Houston and then Tebow kept it close against Oakland and San Diego which both have top flight defenses.
It’s time to recognize that Studes was promoted for two reasons. First to satisfy the Rooney Rule and second to ensure that it would be easy to replace the interim coach when the time came. McDaniels firing left a vacuum which could have been filled by a leader. Studes was promoted in part to keep the vacuum empty.
All work and no play makes Homer something something.
by GrizBronc on Jan 8, 2011 10:32 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I also believe the Rooney Rule
had something to do with Studes being promoted to the interim position. It kind of killed two birds with one stone.
1 – it promoted from within, gave Studes a shot and kept things level while they played out the rest of the season.
2 – It satisfied the Rooney Rule without it being a total sham.
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Why all this love for Dennison?
I like him as a position or coordinator, but HC? On what merit? Oh, he interviewed once and all the PR news said it was a great and fantastic interview – yet McDaniels was hired anyway. Does anyone else not see something wrong with that?
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It's like I said
He’s an alum so they reward him with faux-interviews and obscene praise. It’s how the business works. He’s not a legitimate candidate.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
Thats what people said about John Harbaugh and Mike Smith...they worked out pretty well...and Dennison is a BRONCO!
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I love the idea of Dennison because he's been involved in all phases of the game
Was a Linebacker in the 80s
Was the Special Teams coach in the 90s
Was the O-Line Coach/Run game coordinator in the 00s…
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TE and LB in college as well as an engineering grad
guy sounds like a schmuck ;-)
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
more qualified than Studes.....
and not 5M/year
"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift."-Steve Prefontaine
Do you see anything wrong with the list of people we didn't hire?
I sure as hell do, none of them are the head coach in Denver. Spagnuolo was a crippling rookie thrown interception from getting the Rams to the playoffs, Raheem Morris has Tampa Bay in playoff form in a pretty damn good division, and Garrett and Frazier are both getting their shots now that they’ve taken the reigns where they are. The only guy we interviewed two years ago that isn’t a head coach anymore is McD. Dennison hasn’t gotten a shot yet so I think we could do a hell of a lot worse than seeing what he could do.
After working in Denver when he did and seeing first-hand the QB carousel we’ve had since Elway’s retirement I’d be willing to be he’d be pretty excited to see what he could do to develop Tebow while rebuilding the running game here. If he fails, so be it, then it’s not just on him but on the FO. Sticking with Studes is pretty contradictory though, because if he fails and we can him next year then the FO looks pretty bad for stringing him along, but if he does okay under your plan then he doesn’t get the credit anyway because we brought in coordinators that really run the show. In neither scenario does the FO look smart for bringing in a quality head coach, they’d be looked at as having competently filled gaps in the staff, but not as having firmly re-established the franchise with a quality foundation.
If Crennel eventually leaves for another shot at HC with someone else, and with Weis already gone once the playoffs are over how long do you think KC is going to look like they have last year. Building your organization around coordinators, instead of building a staff over time like Walsh, Shanahan, Holmgren and other did is a great way to build a house of cards. Great coordinators get and seek greater opportunities. Bringing in head hunters is no solution here.
He wouldn't be my first choice
But with a lot of people backing out, and with a solid set of coordinators, he could be successful, especially as time passes and he gains experience. Not my personal favorite, but I’ll take a guy who at least knows the team and players, and whom the players speak very, very highly of, over a guy with a different style, a different scheme. A familiar face does wonders for holding a locker room together.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I agree.
It is hard for most of us to accept but to many in the NFL, the Broncos have that same stink about them right now that you usually only smell coming from Jokeland. That’s right – the Broncos are not particularly well thought of outside of Denver right now. The 2010 season was a debacle and although I was skeptical at first it seems clear to me now that firing McDaniels when he did was a smart move by Bowlen. It was time to stop the bleeding and start starting over.
I mean come on – who in here hasn’t chuckled about the hapless Carolina Panthers in the past year? Well, look who’s drafting right after them in 2011. Our beloved team is a laughingstock right now, and people are wary. But that doesn’t mean we won’t find a guy and right the ship. Let the playoffs play out for a week or two and I feel pretty certain that things will start to move forward.
If Warren Sapp is so damn smart, let him take the snaps.
by TheMastermind on Jan 7, 2011 9:21 PM MST up reply actions
Well said
As I’ve spent a lot of time around SBN, we aren’t exactly a respected team, when teams like SF, a team that is a piece or two away from winning the division, we aren’t exactly a popular option.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
What?
Not well-respected? Not well thought of? By whom? Internet bloggers like us? Where do you guys get this stuff? Care the reference any documentation about coaches or personnel people in the NFL speaking ill of the Broncos organization? The whole premise of this piece lends to total conjecture.
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:44 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Look around
When was the last time someone spoke of the Broncos with any kind of respect, online or on the news, it just isn’t happening anymore.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
The Harbaugh decision should not be used as proof of anything
He wanted to stay in California. He got a ton of money to coach a decent team up the road from his house and not uproot his family.
You add to that the fact that the jury is still out on how he’ll fare in the NFL. None of that has anything to do with whatever status the Broncos have or don’t have.
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Not just Harbaugh, watch sports news
Read online or SI, no one thinks highly of the Broncos anymore.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Ridiculous. Studesville being hired as the head coach would make me curl up in a fetal position until another head coach is hired.
Bronco Champions are being forged as we speak.
Which would take about 3 games.
If Warren Sapp is so damn smart, let him take the snaps.
by TheMastermind on Jan 7, 2011 9:22 PM MST up reply actions
Until another no-name is hired instead?
I’m not on board with rolling with Studesville, but there’s no logic in the “ANYBODY ELSE” argument.
by BR1 on Jan 7, 2011 9:22 PM MST up reply actions
Hey man you are the one that thinks we need to hire a coach before the fans revolt. I am not saying that at all.
Bronco Champions are being forged as we speak.
Patience my friend patience
As far as I can tell no one is dissing Denver “left and right”. Harbaugh was believed to be leaning towards San Fran all along due to his young family and Bay area ties. I’m willing to give Mularkey the benefit of the doubt if he says he is still interested but wants to focus on the playoffs even with the Cleveland interview which he says the trip was already scheduled. What other coaches are you referring to that we have approached and been turned down by. I love you man and agree with you approx 85.7% of the time but I think you may be premature here. Additionally I’m not sold on Ben, I think TT needs a solid NFL veteran QB coach that can not just work on his fundamentals (I’m sure by now he knows full well what he needs to do) but someone like a Fassel who knows the game and it’s finer nuances to start taking Tim to the next level mentally. Not sold on Studesville either but I wouldn’t cry if they hired him and then surrounded him with great coordinators. Let’s see how the next 10 days go before we start forming conclusions. This franchise still has a lot to offer any coach who trying to make a name for himself.
"as in football so in life"
I was hoping to have a HC in place before the next 10 days....
I believe McDaniels was already trading Cutler at this point for cryin’ out loud! lol I hear you though…I’m just ready to focus on all the other holes sprung on this ship.
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I'm in agreement
The sooner we get a HC in, the better off we’ll be. They can have longer to look at the team, look at potential draftees and FA, and how they will adjust the scheme and depth chart. I don’t want to wait till the post season is over. Most teams are already moving on HC, Dallas and the Vikings are set, SF is set, the Titans are locked in, and Miami is looking more secure. We are getting behind, and we need as much time as we can get to be ready for this off-season.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Exactly...
I quit smoking cigarettes exactly 3 years ago today. Which is amazing considering how much more stress I’ve had to endure as a fan since that time……I’m half tempted to light up right now – I’m sure my wife has a pack somewhere.
lol j/k
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There, there Tim
If you weren’t a staffer, I’d recommend taking a MHR break, does wonders. My wife is happy I took a break, and while I’m glad to be back, I’m not going to be here as often as I used to be.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I have more problems with my PS3. lol
MHR is just daily routine stuff.
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Tim
Don’t forget nothing but the draft happens this off season without a new collective bargaining agreement in place…no free agency, no trades, probably no possibility of signing draft picks. So I say if there is an offseason that it’s okay to take time and as much time as needed to higher a coach so be it.
In all likelyhood there won’t be a new CBA for anywhere between extremely optimistic 2 months to extremely pessimistic 2012.
Relax a little as the saying goes, good things come to those who wait or something like that. Anyway I am struggling with being patient myself but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water just yet.
I have a feeling it happens.
It will be much ado over nothing….only a bunch of idiots would bite the hand that feeds. The NFLPA has no recourse but to give back a little they have gotten through attrition – it is now the owners turn to get a little back.
Pat Bowlen needs that too…the business side of the Broncos is hurting bad.
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Maybe maybe not
I have seen in the business world coal miners go on strike over having to pay for 10% of their health care cost for them selves and their entire family for over 18 months and the mine closed because of it.
Sometimes the mouth is too blinded by greed to see the hand it is biting. I still doubt Bowlen is losing money on the Broncos. An average ticket price would have to be near $100 a seat with 76,000 plus seats for 10 home games including the full price the owner’s currently get for home games you are talking $76 million plus in revenue before TV contracts and concessions. I’d be shocked if the Broncos franchise is losing money.
Bowlen the real estate guy may be losing some money but guessing he is still well in the black overall.
Oh yeah...we are dealing with a Union....
no doubt insanity will rule over objectivity. Great…well, hopefully the Broncos will get a high draft pick in next years lottery.
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Haha never
I hate being sad or upset, why be upset or mad, when you can be happy.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
It would be cool if next years Draft lottery were divided into 5's
so the Broncos would be guaranteed a top 5 pick regardless…hell, we might even end up with #1 and just take Andrew Luck for the hell of it. lmao
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LOL
That may not be a bad idea…okay okay so I am on hear often enough to see the sarcastic jab at all the “mockers” that had us picking Luck. Funny regardless and maybe a lottery like the NBA has is the way to go????Nah I hate almost everything that the NBA stands for now, haven’t watched much since the 80’s and early 90’s. I don’t get excited over no defense and 6’5" plus tall guys jumping a foot or so to dunk.
I hate the NBA too,cause the Sac Kings EARNED that #1 pick dammit.
But without football in 2011, a lottery would be the only option.
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McD was hired on Jan 11th
That would be this Tuesday
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Damn Timmay
Usually I really like what you have to say but this is a pretty cynical stance to say the least. I think you are really downplaying what becoming an NFL coach is all about. Great coaches build great teams from the ground up. If the previous coaches were doing the right things, then there never would be any next coaches. So I wholeheartedly disagree with this, I think there are some great football minds out there who would love to have this opportunity, and I’m not so sure that Studesville fits with the great football mind criteria.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Jan 7, 2011 9:25 PM MST reply actions
Perspective...
Two people have backed out, one of which in Harbaugh we came out and said we are no longer interested. Probably heard the price tag, or heard his heart was set on SF and said no thanks. There are more than two coaching candidates out there. Let’s show a little faith… If over the next week we have only interviewed Studs and Fewell…than let’s start talking about the poor state of the Denver Broncos
by cfive4Broncos on Jan 7, 2011 9:27 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Harbaugh had better a deal in Miami
He like SF because he could win the division very easily, and it was close to home. I agree it’s about perspective is important.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I agree with you the timing's bad. Not sure I agree that it's very clear no one wants the Denver job.
There’s some conjecture in your piece here. Some of it may prove true. Some of it we really don’t know for sure at all. It’s very early in the search process. Other than Harbaugh, there were no “Hot”/Must Have Right Away candidates out there so they can take their time at this point. I don’t know what the deal with Mularkey is, maybe he really doesn’t want to be in Denver, but the timing is also bad because of his team being in the playoffs.
I also think Perry Fewell is a good guy and candidate, as is Dennison. There are other good potential interviewees out there too like Ron Rivera, and we have to wait to see how it all pans out.
I don’t mind if this takes a little while, too because I’d rather them hire the right guy who also WANTS to be in Denver, something we can all agree on.
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Retention of Ben McDaniels as a priority??? I have no knowledge of how good BM is or anything but this seems upside-down priority.
If the Broncos can’t attract the absolute best QB coach out there who is excited by the prospect of turning Tim Tebow into an elite QB and reviving Brady Quinn into a solid starter-level QB; then that is a really serious problem that the Broncos have.
Im creating a whole story in my mind off of one unsure observation I made during the SD game.. But I thought it was worth discussing…
I swear I seen Studs, thru the first three games, without a headset..
But in the second half of the SD game, where we seen GREAT playcalling, I noticed he did have one on..
Could it be that Studs took the controls on offense and in turn, we had success against the top D in the NFL??
Someone correct me if Im way off here.. thanks
by Broncos808 on Jan 7, 2011 9:46 PM MST via mobile reply actions
If that's the case, he should be fired.
The worst play calls of the season came on third and fourth down late in the game that ruined any chance Tebow had of mounting a comeback. A shotgun QB draw on 4th and 1? W.T.F.
:)
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You really are a panicky sort. Yes indeed, fire everybody for a bad play called in the 2nd half of a meaningless game with an experiment QB on the field.. No wait. Don’t fire anybody because the NFL won’t like us anymore.
I lament with the best of them.
Panicky? No. Just done….ready to move on.
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but you dont want to move on.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
haha
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:56 PM MST up reply actions
Haha, yea I gave a big WTF on that playcall call too
I’d rather him not be our HC honestly, but the current players seemed to love the guy… especially in that locker room video… Thats gotta be worth something
by Broncos808 on Jan 7, 2011 9:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
My Vote for HC...
Based on what Elway’s definition for the next HC for Broncos should have on his resume: NFL experience and NFL ready in Dennison’s case both as a player and coach he qualifies. As for his knowledge of who the Broncos are and what this franchise means to the Bronco community having gone to school at CSU in Fort Collins, Colorado and played TE and LBer is a story of a local boy making it to the top as HC of Denver Broncos. Dennsion knows all about the O-Line zone blocking schemes having learned it from the master of it Alex Gibbs more than qualifies to be the next HC of the Broncos. He’s familiar with the Broncos inside out and will help to restore the much needed enthusiasm needed to help Elway make Broncos winners again – maybe it’s destiny.
Rick Dennison knows what it takes to win playoff games and Super Bowls having played in and coached in both with Denver. He learned from the some of the best HC’s; Dan Reeves, Wade Phillips, Mike Shanahan, and Gary Kubiak.
Said another way he’s NFL ready and will bring much needed new blood to the NFL and the Denver Broncos. A shot in the arm with new opportunities. He’s my choice! Deep down he bleeds ORANGE & BLUE.
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by oc60 on Jan 7, 2011 9:46 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
This comment made my skin tingle....
but I’ll have to stick to my guns…at this point, just give me a freakin HC already!
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HECK YES!
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
Sounds convincing
I admit I like Dennison because of his Bronco history. On the other hand, I wasn’t that enamored with him as a coach. I thought his special teams weren’t remarkably special (then, as now, we had great P/K’s, but the teams weren’t great; and I thought there was a noticeable drop-off after Gibbs left. Fortunately, better football minds than mine will make this decision!
While I like them...
I wouldn’t put Wade Phillips and Gary Kubiak anywhere NEAR a list of “some of the best HC’s.”
Neither has proven themselves able to build playoff contenders despite being given every chance with deep pocket owners. Both have been incredible coordinators, but I will diverge on “best” head coaches.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
I'd take Phillips over Kubiak
But you are right, both had struggles in the post season.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
To repeat again, The Search Has Just Begun
A lot of the quality O & D coordinators that might be ready for a head coach job are currently worrying about the playoffs.
Once we weed out some of the teams from contention, the Broncos abilities to speak with candidates will increase.
I like Dennison personally.
The Voice In The Wilderness from a Broncos fan trapped in the land of Raiders and Niners.
Ok. So, I'll give it four more days:
On January 11, 2009, the Denver Broncos named McDaniels their head coach, replacing Mike Shanahan. The Broncos introduced McDaniels, who agreed to sign a four-year, $8 million contract, as their head coach in a press conference the next day
via Wiki
I just don’t like what I am seeing. Unlike 2009, when we had tons of hot shot candidates coming in for interviews.
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I agree but it is early
and in 2009 they still made what seems to be the incorrect choice at this time. Two of the other 3 candidates have had success as head coaches. McDaniels is gone. I’d rather be impatient and “pacing” on MHR and get the right guy than make another hire that will blow up within two years again.
tic tic
and then Tim’s head EXPLODES!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
My head exploded several times during the year already...
I’m done with that.
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We'll see what happens
I would just like to see it done sooner rather then later.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Again Perspective...
The Patriots missed the playoffs that year so we didn’t have to wait on McD. Plus the season ended on 12/28 in 2008, McD was hired 14 days after our season. Right now we are at Day 5, along with a change to the front office, add to that McD was fired with 4 games left in the season so we have all been sitting on this for alot longer than we did in ‘08-09….so to compare this hire to our last is a little off base…so please let’s take a step back and allow the team to make the best choice for the Broncos
by cfive4Broncos on Jan 7, 2011 11:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Really Tim
“Ton of hot-shot candidates” in ’09?
-Todd Bowles (MIA secondary)
-Spagnuolo
-McDaniels
-Garrett
-Frazier
-Morris
-Dennison
Spagnuolo and Morris are the only two who are currently doing well. Garrett and Frazier fell into their jobs. Morris was DC here at K-State in ’06 and nothing more than a dbacks coach before his hire which was met with great skepticism.
How is the current slate of options (all of which we haven’t yet seen) different?
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Weren't the patriots in the playoffs?
by Sergio AppleSeed on Jan 7, 2011 11:27 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nope they missed at 11-5, Cassel year
by cfive4Broncos on Jan 8, 2011 8:31 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm probably in the minority here
But I think I’d be ok with Studesville being the coach. He did a pretty decent job given the situation he was put into.
I’m actually not too down on the coordinators either. Wink seemed to get a little bit too gimmicky with his defenses at time, but arguably that was to mask a pretty large talent deficit. He seemed, at least, to have a pretty creative mind… I’d give him another year and see what he does with more talent.
by soviet_cosmonaut_hatski on Jan 7, 2011 9:58 PM MST reply actions
you are.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 9:58 PM MST up reply actions
You are NOT
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I agree with you
As long as we bring in a strong set of coordinators. Without those, I would be against it, but with them, I would be alright with it.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
And what about Fewell? Why is he such a bad option? Smith in ATL was a no-name option before he was hired. The Jags OC may be better than we’re giving him credit. I mean, look at the “talent” he’s had to work with. And if we end up interviewing Rivera and Williams, what’s the problem? This post, more than anything, smacks of a fan’s desperation. Which I get. But Elway is not desperate. He will find a candidate more qualified than Studes. And that includes Dennison, who the Texans beat reporter said today was the smartest coach he he had covered in 34 years. Not a bad fallback option to lead your franchise back from the depths. Get a solid DC and that would work.
The bottom line is, Denver has options. Right now, we, as fans, need patience.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Jan 7, 2011 9:59 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I actually am very high on Fewell
and a lot of both players and coaches are high on him as well. So I don’t know why everyone’s so down on him here, either. I don’t care if someone is an OC or a DC, if they are a good capable guy the important thing is who they bring with them as coordinators, about as important as who is coach.
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Ok, well it appears I've inadvertently stirred the pot and I might just be off base, but oh well.
What’s done is done. I’m going to go drink some vodka and OJ, and watch Inglorious Basterds (my netflix DVD for the weekend).
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be back later to get the last word in. lol
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Its good to stir the pot....
What else are we supposed to do on here? Have a big group hug everyday?
Its good to debate and kick around ideas.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 7, 2011 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
Okay TIm but I have to
warn you I’ll be waiting! J/K however 7 & 7’s are much better than screw driver’s….LOL
All I got is vodka and irish cream....
not in the mood for irish cream on the rocks right now. although there wasn’t much vodka left, so I might have to suck it up and drink like a man.
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Ah Tim's back.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:20 PM MST up reply actions
"I'm gonna give you a little somethin' you can't take off."
“Nein nein nein nein nein nein!”
IB rocks.
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Great movie
and I’m not a sissy but some of the scalping and carving scenes were pretty gory. Loved the movie but that was gory beyond Brave Heart. Well at least a few scenes anyway.
I'd love to watch that flick!
Great post Tim. It’s all up in the air anyway bro. I hope for the best in 2011 as I know you do. Ya never know. Enjoy the video….
SS
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That sounds like a plan!
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I'm pulling for Fewell
His interview is Sunday, he is a 4-3 defensive minded person who could finally fix our defense.
I also don’t know why we haven’t to Mike Nolan yet.
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I'm pulling for Fewell too
if they don’t interview Rivera. Or Dennison.
I don’t know about Nolan. Don’t know whether he’d want to come back to Denver, and not sure about him as a head coach (after watching him coach the Niners here for a few years). As a DC he can be great, but not sure about as a HC.
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You had me at 4-3
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I thought I would have you at "Sunday"
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
I like that his name sounds like Fuel
We could use some of that right now. : )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:18 AM MST up reply actions
Is there a candidate
whose name sounds like “Passion”?
I’ll take him anytime.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
Well, Dennison sounds like Den-passion. That’s okay. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:57 AM MST up reply actions
His name sounds more like Hennnesson
It only seems natural. After the season we just had, i’m gonna need a lot of hennessy.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
Everybody on this site needs to be patient and let the process work out...
Elway’s committment is to bring this organization back to prominence…I hope he does.
I assure you...I'm the biggest impatient kneejerk on the staff.
I am certainly not toeing a company line here. lmao
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John Fox/Ron Rivera
With Jim Fassal as offensive coordinator.
by Jake Edmisten on Jan 7, 2011 10:14 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Fassel
That’s what I’ve been saying, would be good with Tebow
Here's to Tebow being the starter in 2011!
by milehighinTO on Jan 8, 2011 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
Elway was surprisingly tepid when talking about Fassel.
Any idea why? The guy wants to coach badly, and he has loads of experience. He’s also a good football mind.
I can’t see the Broncos settling for Studsville. For me, it all rests on Tebow. They need to play him unless and until he’s proved unworthy. And that won’t happen.
My guess is
Fassel is a terrible motivator and a poor leader but that’s just a guess. Obviously John know a thing or two about being a leader.
NO please NO Fassel!!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:21 PM MST up reply actions
After watching the clip from the link above I can see why.
Too many GD’s in his motivational talk for Tim I’m afraid.
"as in football so in life"
Didn't Fassel coach Elway at one point in Elway's career?
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Yes Tim
He was the quarterbacks coach at one point with Elway for two years. I think it was probably during the Wade Phillips or Dan Reeves time as coach but it might have been early in Shanny’s years. I’m not positive. I’d guess Reeves or Phillips because of I don’t believe that Fassel runs or has ever run the west coast offense however I could be wrong as usual!
Kind of recruited him to Stanford.
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2011/01/07/jim-fassel-nothing-set-up-with-broncos/
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:35 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
hmmmmm
“I haven’t spoken to him in a week,” Fassel said, referring to Elway.
In a week. So in other words, you spoke to him LAST WEEK??
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
lose his # John.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:00 AM MST up reply actions
Most of the time I read the otherr comments before I open my big mouth!
This time, however, I had to say my piece. I live on a sailboat. In the past 5 years I noticed that a leaky hull does one thing in a short pieriod of time. Kill you and everything you own. The boat goes down and that’s it. So the leaky hull comment got me thinking. Eric Studesville is a great guy. He has had success in the NFL even winning 1 game as a HC. He started as the plug in the hull then? Maybe so.
What bothers me is this. Let’s say we hire Mularkey. Who impresses me with his professionalism by turning down an interview because he wanted to focus on the Falcon playoff chances BTW. We can hire a lot of different guys to be HC. But many of them will be about the same as McD was in terms of being a leap of faith for him to be able to turn this team around for Denver. Even if Denver hires a big time guy like Gruden there is nothing that gaurentees he will be successful. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see Gruden as out HC. I’m questioning whether it would be a good move.
So my point? Eric Studesville may well be the right guy for us. Why? He has the love and respect of our players. He has a good understanding of our needs and has lived and breathed all things Bonco for the past year. He also has the respect of the front office. And after all they did choose him over the other coaches to take over.
I think that I’d be comfortable with him as HC if he were surrounded by a great OC and DC to work with him. We have a great start with John Elway. Who better to mentor anyone in Denver.We can build on this. So that’s my 2 cents worth. I’m sure many will dissagree with me but hey! What happens in the NFL is almost always stranger than fiction. I say GO DENVER!
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by SSinSD on Jan 7, 2011 10:16 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
We all saw how 2 respected Coordinators helped KC make the playoffs and Division championship...
Can anybody name their OC/DCs last year? I don’t remember unless it was Gailey…
not sure if you noticed how bad our division was... and that one of them is gone...
Eric Studesville’s time to move up has likely long past. 14 or so years in the NFL and he’s a running backs coach …for a reason.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 10:25 PM MST up reply actions
Amen....
I don’t get the whole deal where people think a guy will be a good HC because he has a good attitude, or he used to be Bronco or he likes defense.
Doesn’t the primary qualification for HC of an NFL team have to be that you KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE DOING?
Just sayin….
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 7, 2011 10:29 PM MST up reply actions
Name a coach who gets it right always.
Martty Shottenhiemer got fired after going 14 and 2.
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Go Denver!
and your point? Studds has NEVER gotten it right. Now Marty? I'll take him and a good OC in a second!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
I love me some Marty ball..
its exactly what Tebow needs.
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KC's O coordinator last year was
Todd Haley, he fired his OC a week or two before the season and took the offense over himself. But I don’t think it was Haley that brought Weis and Crennel in I think it was Pioli. To me right now it appears that Haley is a puppet at the end of the strings of puppet master Pioli but I could be wrong.
Big ole rec from me!
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Ha Tim! Thought you were gonna watch a movie!
Adict!
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Go Denver!
I started watching youtube vids... lol
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Tim,
I think the worst thing Elway could do would be to hire a head coach in hurry. It has only been since Wednesday that Elway took over. Elway will take his time (as he should) on making his 1st major decision as Broncos VP. Disappointed that you think no qualiy coach will be hired by Elway because I think whomever Elway hires will be a quality head coach even if it isn’t a big name. There is plenty of time to work on the draft and free agency-Elway needs to hire the right guy as head coach first who then hires a quality staff. I don’t make many guarantees Tim but I will guarantee 1 thing right now-There is no way in hell Studesville is hired by Elway to continue to be the head coach. Wouldn’t mind him sticking around as an assistant but no way he gets head coaching job. I am pulling for Rick Dennison to get the job myself and wish he would have got it 2 years ago. Mularkey would be fine with me also if Elway wants to wait until after the Super Bowl to get him if Atlanta goes that far. But if Dennison impresses Elway I think he will be our new head coach.
by broncorob on Jan 7, 2011 10:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Good point...
I guess I see weakness in the coaching staff beyond HC…the sooner we hire a HC, we can begin addressing that clusterF.
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+2
he's tall, blonde, smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
by Scrappy Bill on Jan 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Oh I noticed.
I’ve been invsted in the Broncos for about 40 or so years. Loves Reeves, Shanny and liked McD. We had Morton as QB and got to a SB. Then Elway. Got to 5 of ‘em. Now who’s the next HC? If we had had a decent DLine I believe McD would still be our coach. We would likely be prepearing for a playoff game too. And if coaching an NFL team was an easy job I’d be a coach too. 32 teams and one of them is the best each year. I think if this season were to start now we could be in playoff contention. Just sayin
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Go Denver!
I agree to a point....
If Elvis never left the building and Clady never played hoops, it would be a big difference this past season. However, too many people are discounting or forgetting McSpygate and the damage that did to his image here.
Yeah maybe but if we had gone 12 and 4 who would have cared?
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Go Denver!
Denver Post reporting that we're going to be talking to John Fox
Bad bad idea… I think he can be good, just needs a little bit of time (like a year) away
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Disagree...great idea!
We need a steward/caretaker of the franchise. He’s forgotten more than these OC’s/DC’s actually know. I’m on board!
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
Understand Fox made diamonds from coal at Carolina....worst owner in the NFL, and got to the SB, the Conference Champs and No. 1 seed with Delhomme....hes a damn fine coach.
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
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yeah, hard for me to equate his lack of front office help in my mind sometimes.
Cowher for instance received no FA help and lost many player TO FA… and it took him years to accomplish anything. Fox is interesting.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
Great way of breaking it down my friend!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
worst thing a coach can do is a take a year off...
I’d take Fox as a HC. Either strong coordinators or a strong HC…need either or. I’ve seen weak from both
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Man we need a D minded head coach
call rob ryan and see who else he would bring in with him. Im so tiered of the HC being O minded. Tomlin D, Belechek D minded come on thats what we need
live and die blue and orange
My feet or big and ugly...he might go for that.
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Last 12 SB winning coaches
6 DC 5 OC 1 neither. Doesn’t matter.
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:43 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I’m afraid the Broncos will have to settle for third and fourth tier candidates in their head coach search
It’s a sobering thought on just how far the perception of the Broncos has slid in so short a time. In two years the Broncos head coaching position has changed from being one of the plum jobs in the NFL to one of the most reviled. The Broncos are plagued with an aging talent poor roster. They have an inexperienced (if charismatic) VP. They have a GM who is regarded either as also inexperienced – if you believe he was just a cap man, or as incompetent – if you believe he actually has had any say over the personnel and drafting moves over the last two years. (The Broncos have changed their tune as to what the role of Xanders has been over the last two years) Finally, the Broncos are joined at the hip to a quarterback who (regardless of how much he might be loved here) most NFL coaches and personnel people don’t believe can be an effective starting QB. This does not make for an attractive job.
Indeed, the Broncos are looked upon as a complete reclamation project. This is hardly the recipe for anything resembling job security.
You must have some hellacious connections BM
To be able to speak for most NFL coaches and personnel people is very impressive. Don’t suppose you have links or reference material you could provide do you. Probably not, I’m sure they probably called you and told you first hand.
"as in football so in life"
Nice sarcasm.... if a little hostile.
Obviously I have no connections. It’s called common sense. Tell me, give the dire straights the Broncos find themselves in, why would any top tier coach want to come here? You’ll forgive me if I don’t think they would do it out of the kindness of their hearts.
Sorry if it was too heavy..
Many here will tell you one of my peaves is when people start presuming to speak for others definitively without supporting their claims in order to attempt to validate their opinion. I’m perfectly fine if you say IMO or I think this and here’s why but unless you actually know for a fact what others actually believe it becomes hyperbole.
Anyway here’s some answers to your questions IMO, since I don’t have your connections..jk
1) Money, bling, cha ching, dinero etc, etc.. Even the low end of the HC pay scale is a pretty good paycheck
2) Opportunity- there are plenty of very knowledgeable , eager OC’s and DC’s out there just waiting for their chance to shine. Factor in that no HC has ever won a SB with 2 different teams and it makes the "we have to get a 1st tier former HC " argument less relevant. Personally I would prefer someone like Dennison, Mularkey or Rivera to a Harbaugh, Fox, Cowher or Gruden..but that’s just my personal preference.
3) There are far too many examples of franchises being turned around quickly to speculate that our Broncos are a hopeless reclamation project. This team was 5 plays away from a
9-7 season and 2 injuries away from being very competitive.
4) there’s plenty of young potential here starting with our QB and plenty of high draft picks to fill the holes that exist.
All of the above is of course just my opinion but I can probably come closer to substantiating each of them than you can substantiate your “Most NFL coaches and personnel experts” statements.
"as in football so in life"
Fan = Fanatic
All. Do a couple google searches and read 2008 Falcons and 2009 Bucs season previews. To a person, each claimed extreme rebuilding projects, rosters short on talent, unproven coaches and last place finishes.
Relax people. Wait it out. Cheer them on.
by KansasBronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Hello...hello...hello...
Is that a voice of reason in the wilderness I hear? Careful with those facts man you’ll give people a headache.
"as in football so in life"
youdaman Kansas
: )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:55 PM MST up reply actions
I'm all for that..so how about we follow the same course and repeat history/recreate the wheel? ;-)
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My response:
1) Money. Bowlen has been very tight with his wallet of late. I’ve seen no indication of that changing. On top of that, he’ll be paying three coaches next year. The big pay day wont be happening.
2) I agree that there are plenty of OC’s and DC’s that would look at a first time head coaching experience with the Broncos as a great (if somewhat risky) opportunity. However, the fact that these are OC’s and DC’s looking for their first chance to shine by definition means that they are not top tier head coaching candidates. They are now prospects looking to break into the head coaching ranks. Some succeed in their first go around. Most don’t.
3) Yes, there are occasions of dramatic turn arounds in bad teams. However these dramatic turn arounds are actually rather rare. Far more frequently, there is a building process involved that takes several years. Those teams that have managed to turn things around quickly have had the singular advantage of being young teams. Sadly, over the last two years Denver has gone from having one of the younger set of starters in the NFL to one of the oldest. The only thing worse than being a bad young team is a bad old team. This does not bode well for the immediate future. I’m a big believer that you are what your record says you are. Yes, Denver has had some injuries, but ALL teams have had injuries. You claim the the Broncos were five plays away from being 9-7. Virtually every single bad team in history can make claims of that nature. They are also just a few plays away from being 1-15. No, the Broncos are exactly what their draft position says they are: the second worst team in the league.
4) As I said in the previous point, the Broncos are actually a rather old team. In fact, they have the second oldest set of defensive starters in the league. There is some young talent here, but it is far below the level of most teams. There was an excellent article bye Jeff Legwold of the Denver Post recently commented on here by Sayre that you might want to look at. It involved how GM’s around the league rate the talent of the NFL teams, and how Denver matches up. It’s a great read – if a little depressing. It hardly indicates that we have a solid core of talent to build upon. As to our young QB, I can assure you that while we love him here, he would looked upon as a tremendous risk (at best) by most coaches. The fact is that most NFL talent evaluators don’t think Tebow can be a solid NFL starter. It doesn’t matter if they are right or wrong, it’s their perception that matters.
Ther you go with the "most people agree with me" thing again.
I’m guessing this is a pointless discussion.
"as in football so in life"
No freakin way!
He is and was a “YES” man. He’s a Rooney Rule rubberstamp! He doesn’t have the intellect or experience to guide this team outside the extreme circumstances created by the untimely firing of McD. He’s a pawn! A lameduck w/o an ounce of credibility to actually carry out the duties of this job. I respect him for what he did, but sympathize with the job he was asked to do. This will serve him well in future aspirations, but Denver needs SO much more. This franchise is at a very critical crossroad. We fail here again, right sfter this latest 2 yr fiasco and this club will officially become Oakland. Worst idea I’ve read yet! Please….No Mas! Gracias!
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I dont have problem with studesville, but as soon as he makes one mistake you know what his nickname is gonna be STUPIDSVILLE. I just wanted to be the first to say it
Lol.. Nope are you a second grader??
I’m just someone who doesn’t see the value of namecalling. You’ll find that most here aren’t into it either. We leave that for the good people over at the Denver Post.
"as in football so in life"
I'm a third grader.
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Dang...you know my exact age...wtf.
So much for anonymity… lol
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haha
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:04 PM MST up reply actions
That says more about our fanbase than about coaches
if every coach gets another elementary school nickname. I have to say the main reason I was glad McD got laid off is so I didn’t have to hear a litany of “Mc_____” nicknames.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Well you have to admit
ANYTHING is a step down from “Studs.” That name is awesome. : )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:42 PM MST up reply actions
I hope he keeps studs as a nickname that would mean that he is a winning coach
by DungBeadles on Jan 8, 2011 12:30 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
DUDS-ville!
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
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omg...are we smart enough to win?
ive been sitting here trying to answer this and feel good about the answer…hope we are…hope it turns out alright. im thinking back to a post i wrote after Jedi got fired about why a coach might not come here…and…omg…i think all the good ones must of read it….this is such a total downer.
MHR...and proud of it!
MHRsGirl
We are not olly smart enough to win, we will win next year and the one after that too. Wait and see
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
i wanna believe that
but…if we cant pay them enough to come here…im afraid they wont
MHR...and proud of it!
It's not always about the money
But this is the NFL. Big $ Big Egos too. Denver will be a contender again! It may be a leap of faith for me to say that but I believe it. Hey! We have Tim Tebow! Ha HA Watch out NFL! Here we come dammit!
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
There are no smart answers, just ideas born from frustration and depression.
We need a credible, experienced coach willing to build and grow with us! Who is it? Hopefully Freg Williams, Ron Rivera….most likely Dennison or Fassel!
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Well, it will be impossible to get a top tier coach here for the reasons I outlined above, but third and fourth tier coaches do occasionally have success. Yes, the Broncos are at their lowest point in Franchise history, (at least in the past forty years) but it’s not hopeless. With a good drafting, good coaching, good luck, and a few years, the Broncos can be competitive again.
maybe its about the money????
i mean…shanahan went to washington…which is way messed up…so…maybe John can loan Bowlen money so we can hire a coach…lol
MHR...and proud of it!
Well, the cash could well be a part of the issue...
Bowlen has been a little tight in the wallet of late, and he likely does not want to shell out the cash necessary to bring big sexy hire to Denver. However, the condition of the franchise is the biggest hindrance in bringing a top flight coach to our beloved Broncos.
If the money is a problem, maybe we could hold a bake sale. :)
I've never claimed to be smart.
I disavow any perception I may have created in that regard. Whidbey will back me on this. I’m a dumtard.
Seriously, chin up MHRsGirl…I’m okay with another bad season – so long as we make progress in the right direction.
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We have made some great progress I think.
Our record doesn’t reflect it but there are many positives.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
I'm backing you as a fellow dumtard I reckon.
I’m okay with another bad season – so long as we make progress in the right direction.
right.
How about Marty Shot and a good OC?
(Elway took his best shots at winning, maybe he’d go with “if ya can’t beat em…”)
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:08 PM MST up reply actions
Marty Shot..
Interesting …i like it. I think he got a raw deal in SD. But who would be our DC
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
Two other cool things about Marty
Like Shanahan and Oakland, SD still owes Marty $4 million that they have decided not to pay him.
Also, Marty was just enshrined in the Chiefs’ ring of fame. Wouldn’t it be sweet for him to return to Arrowhead as HC of the Broncos? : )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:22 PM MST up reply actions
I've been pinging the Twitter accounts of peeps at ESPN
trying to lodge that boulder loose. Haven’t heard boo from Marty though! Maybe we need more people clamoring!
: D
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
Elway lifts up the Lombardi Trophy and says
“This Ones for Marty”
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
LOL
I would actually love that. Even though we all know the next one is Pat’s. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:28 PM MST up reply actions
As I said earlier..I love me some Marty ball!
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No Marty
I’m an avid listener to Serius NFL radio. Mary is a co-host of one of the shows on there. He has absolutely no interest in EVER returning to the NFL. Not going to happen. He’s done.
FWIW, if he did want to come back I’d be happy with him as our coach.
agreed Tim
If our team can show some resolve, and stay in games to the last whistle (like they did those last three games), I will be tickled pink, no matter the final standings.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
omg zappa...you are way smart
and i care about the team…even though i said i didnt in a post and i guess i really didnt for a while but i do…and i feel so bad for the broncos
MHR...and proud of it!
Tebow will be exciting...it'll will certainly be better than 4-12!
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if we don't have another bad season
I’ll be shocked. In a good way, but shocked.
Losing a HC in mid season = train wreck. It’s going to take awhile to recover. But I’m still feeling the optimism over the long term. Rick Dennison strikes me as a pretty decent candidate that is kind of core to what John wants to do, reinstilling the Bronco Way. While I’m hoping we look to the future as much or more than we look at the past, sometimes if you are trying to adopt a philosophy you have to go ALL IN.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
What's up girlllllll
We’ll be fine. Not time to hit the panic button.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
Wasn't it pressed already weeks ago?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:37 PM MST up reply actions
naw
it’s off season aka la la land time.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
More than likley studes is gone come the hiring of the new head coach
Just a little perspective on a much smaller scale, 9 years ago i was the Offensive coordinator at Mohave valley highschool, the head coach alden goodfellow passed away from a stroke and i was asked to take control until the end of the season and i went 5-3 and we finished 6-4 and made it to the quarter finals however after the loss they hired another senior coach and informed me that they wanted a man who had already experienced all the turns in life to coach as well as groom them into young men. Jim norman the new head coach and i agreed that my remaining on the staff would be a distraction. The point being if studesville is not named head coach; he can not be retained for whenever he and the head coach have a disagreement, the players loyalty will be deeper towards him and you can not have that dynamic on a team and be successful.
I agree 100%
It is unfortunate. Perception is all that matters. Jason Garrett and Leslie Frazier are perceived as ready, but if they were not – they would have been let go for sure.
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interesting perspective there, llove
Thanks for sharing that.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:11 PM MST up reply actions
Your welcome
Even though the x’s and o’s may change from one level to another, the coaching ego dynamic does not
So true
My brother plays DE for the national champion Carroll Fighting Saints. His coach is as hard boiled as they come, and an absolute maniac on game days. But that’s a fire you have to have to be successful. Funny how ego can get in the way sometimes, but you’d never want a coach without one! ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:59 PM MST up reply actions
So true
though it can be funny, Im currently coaching middle schoolers, i teach the coaches my system call all the plays on both O and D,and do all the game planning, and have over 30 years of experience as both a coach at the college and highschool level and a player at the college,highschool,and semi pro level , yet to spare their egos I have the least authority on our staff lol but hey i do it for my kids.
LOL
Good on ya, man!
Besides, sometimes, you reach a point where it’s interesting to watch the people around you work a little. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:34 AM MST up reply actions
I like studs but...
Do u actually think we could nab some top flight coordinators to flank him. Any proven succesful cordinator is not gonna make a lateral movement to our team. They are most likely gonna want the top job. My choice would be Rivera. I would love to see us give a defensive guy a shot.
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
Let's not jump to conclusions here
It is quickly becoming apparent that no self respecting potential head coach wants any part of Dove Valley.
Jim Harbaugh, and Mark Mullarkey (who hasn’t said no, but wants to wait), hardly make up every self respecting coach. We still have Rivera, Gregg Williams, Perry Fewell (who is just as hot as Mullarky right now), Rick Dennison (my personal favorite), Jim Fassel, and possibly more, being sought after as we type.
Two coaches out of seven, isn’t exactly everyone.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I guess I'll start to believe when or if Mularkey, Fewell, and Williams show up at Dove Valley.
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According to the Post, we’ve got Fewell on Sunday and John Fox on Monday. Not a terrible start to a coaching search. No one is talking to Williams while the Saints are still playing. Other than him, let’s get Rivera in for an interview and we’ll have spoken to just about all of the top names out there (assuming Gruden, Cowher, etc. aren’t coaching again next year). That’s a pretty good start.
One thing intrigues me, though: a few people on here are clearly in favor of a return to the 4-3. Since Doom is our only elite player under contract on D (w/ Champ TBD), I’d like to know why the 4-3 love? Doom is clearly better in a 3-4. If we sign a FA NT and take Fairley, out D-line would be pretty stout. Or sign a FA NT, take Peterson and then Watt in round 2. Seems like we’re better equipped for a 3-4, unless the idea is that Ayers will suddenly be effective in a 4-3, which I doubt.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Jan 8, 2011 12:26 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Doom is still effective in the 4-3...just weaker against the run.
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I totally, emphatically agree.
I will believe it when I see it. Until then, it’s either Studs, or yet another no name rookie HC candidate that will really be no different than the last guy we had – except for the fact that Ellis and Xanders might actually get off their lazy asses and help the new guy out a little. I still say they both should have been fired right along with McD, it just doesn’t make any sense. McD was the fall guy, plain and simple.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
I wouldn’t say “no self respecting potential head coach” would work for the Broncos. But lets face it – no top tier coach is likely to accept the Broncos head coaching position. Why would they? They do have their own best interests in mind after all.
indeed
And all signals coming out of Denver point to the new HC facing a boatload of restrictions from the GM and EVP of FO. Not exactly a welcoming atmosphere for a guy with some clout.
It’s going to take a coach with a special perspective or one in great need of an opportunity to fill this vacancy.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:20 PM MST up reply actions
Rick Dennison may be both.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:09 AM MST up reply actions
But that is what everyone has been calling for...
The coach just needs to coach and leave the personnel decisions up to the FO…right? Or are you saying you want the HC to retain the personnel responsibility. Or maybe you can clarify what restrictions the HC is going to have.
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Sure
I’m just saying that the marquee names that some people are expecting — Gruden and Cowher for example — probably would want the power we’ve just stripped from the position. That’s all. I’m on board with us giving the GM greater power, for damn sure. But we shouldn’t be surprised if it makes our franchise less attractive to certain individuals. That is why I said we need a coach with a special perspective.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 9, 2011 1:32 AM MST up reply actions
Tim, I'm feelin you all the way on this
Studs showed one thing very clearly… he has the team’s passion, attention, and focus. If we have to “settle”, I would much prefer a guy with HC experience — Schottenheimer or Fassel. I’m even liking the thought of 55’s cousin Ricky bringing stability to our line. But if Studs is a consolation prize, I feel we could do worse.
And the jury is actually very much out on McCoy’s vanilla playcalling. I’ll remind his detractors that he was not calling plays at all until four weeks remaining — McDaniels was. We saw him call his first game the week the HC was fired — hardly could have been a stable environment to game plan. The following week was Tebow’s first start, after having taken a small percentage of snaps during the season. The week after that — well, we won! The week after that, the wraps seemed to be off and we were in the game, and the offense seemed to be clicking in a way it frankly wasn’t under Josh. So while I haven’t been dazzled by those games, they were perhaps not unexpected for whatever qualities they possessed, given the givens.
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however
I would be extremely surprised if more than 5% of our coaching staff is retained, and doubt our interim HC and OC will be among those kept.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:51 AM MST up reply actions
Tim, If I didn't respect you
I’d accuse you of trolling at this point. Studesville is not a real head coach at this time — he has the exact same record as got McD fired, and nothing I saw in the final three games was any different than the first 13. The only thing Studs did was cave to pressure from Ellis to play Tebow (which, IMO, is the main point of firing McD: Ellis was reacting like a marketing guy rather than a football guy when he caved to the negative pressure). What did he do in the three games to make you think he is a viable candidate rather than a Rooney Rule check-box?
Besides, why stampede into it? The Broncos rushed the last one, and whatever your opinion of McD the Broncos will be paying for that choice for the next couple years. No way is Studs a hot property that they need to lock up now, he’ll be around when the Broncos have completed their due diligence and interviewed all the best candidates out there.
I'm a huge troll... :)
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get back under the bridge.... Elway goat gruff is coming.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
Paying for that choice..
you must mean by that that we will be reveling in Tebow-mania for the next 10+ years. The only one paying right now is Josh McDaniels. He is the one, like it or not, that brought us our next great franchise PLAYER. “Franchise” quarterback or no, Tebow is golden. The groundwork has been laid. McD is “paying for that choice” now. I really hope everyone remembers that is was his doing that will be the catalyst for the resurgence of the Broncos. It’s just too bad he won’t be around to see it happen. Instead of giving credit where it’s due, it’s human nature to belittle and tear down with negativity.
Tony Robbins calls Tim Tebow for motivational support.
It's also human nature to use sarcasm to ignore the obvious.
Have no doubt we are also paying for hiring McD! It may well be that Tebow is the silver lining to all the other crap that IDIOT did to us but even that remains to be seen.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
Paying both literally and metaphorically
McD signed a 4-year $8M contract. Unless he was fired for cause (which likely does not include his win- loss percentage), the Broncos will literally be paying for the hire for the next couple years.
The metaphorical costs are the injuries to the fan base and the relationship with the community. The McD/Cutler fiasco fractured the fan base, separating us into those that refuse to see anything good that was developing and those that were willing to give the man enough of a chance.
Personally I think there were good things and bad things that happened in the past two years. I refuse to acknowledge those who use convenient second-grade recess labels to cast a situation as black and white. McD was not the problem. The problem was a marketing guy who was promoted into a position he was unprepared for, and then allowed hurt feelings and publicity concerns to dictate how to run the franchise. McD did not trade Cutler, that decision came from the front office (Bowlen and/or Ellis). McD did not engineer a putsch, he took control of football functions the front office neglected to properly fill after the impetuous firing of Shanahan.
In some respects it looks like the organization has learned some lessons and has tried to fill the void — can anyone doubt Elway would have set Cutler bruised ego straight (“Listen kid, no one is immune to trades. Let me tell you about the times Reeves tried to trade me to the Redskins…”). Thus I am willing to wait and give them time to develop. And if they make a choice I disagree with, I will adopt a wait and see attitude rather than immediately running to the DP blogs and soothing my own disappointment with name-calling and invention of derogatory nicknames.
I dont really want a HC that panders to the fan base.
He needs to do his job and let the players deal with the fans.
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McD was the kind of coach that could care less about the fans...
I, for one, DO NOT want another coach like that. I’m not asking our HC to pander to me or other fans, but to consider the fans more and to be the kind of coach that fans will root for. McD divided this fanbase like no other time in Broncos history.
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We are in disagreement....
a team ruled by its fanbase is never going to win anything of significance. We are here to cheer and debate with each other, the FO and players should be above that and should ignore that.
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Green Bay would like to respectfully disagree with you.
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Yeah...how long were the irrelevant between Lombardi and Favre?
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they had a shot at winning back to back super bowls...I wouldn't call that insignificant.
And since then, they have have generally been in playoff contention. I like those odds. But I understand what you are saying…I don’t think our FO should cave to every fans wish…But, I would like to see more respect for our fanbase than what we have seen the last 2 years. I think we are well on our way to seeing it.
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Kubiak?Then Dennison? Dare i Say a New Name
Kyle Shanahan
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
Oh no you Di'ent
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
GAH!
Don’t dare. Do not dare.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:40 PM MST up reply actions
it would
if you actually said something that foolish. Which… I don’t believe you did… right? ; )
Now suggesting we should rehire Shanahan himself — that would be pure pandemonium. Dogs and cats cohabitating, etc.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:49 PM MST up reply actions
Nah
I just find it hard to believe that we are going the direction of the shanahan tree. Lets try something new.
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
I feel ya man
We need to be marching toward the future here. It’s great to be cozying up with the Lombardies again from time to time, but the Lombardi I like most is the one we haven’t won yet! If No 7 can help us find it, great. But we need new perspectives and new formulas to be successful.
And yet, the NFL is a history of innovations. Who knows — a guy like Dennison could come in and take the old system to a new level. Crap shoot, I guess. But at least we’re excited about our team again, right?
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:01 AM MST up reply actions
Okay but seriously
just for some levity do any of us have a life outside the Broncos? I claim an excuse of living in po dunk Western Colorado with nothing going on Friday night in the Winter what is everyone else’s excuse for being on here at 11:30 on a Friday night? LOL J/K but an odd thought anyway.
Brian Billick
he’s gotta be better than the rag tag group of names being bandied around
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
Sure he is
Just ask him! ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:28 PM MST up reply actions
eight. Big ego. Little people skills.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:39 PM MST up reply actions
he's like the most annoying coach on the Coors Light commercials
which is the only evaluation point that really matters to me. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:41 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
this
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:42 PM MST up reply actions
maybe we should interview based on the Coors Light Commercial List
add some character to this team
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by Albuquerque on Jan 7, 2011 11:45 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
HELL YES!!!
I’m down with that! : )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 7, 2011 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
If its this hard to snag a HC
imagine how hard it is going to be to snag a quality coordinator to fill out the staff. I.E. if we grab a defensive minded guy like fewel rivera then who can we hire to run the O. No big name is gonna make a lateral movement.
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
ok here's the acceptable list to be interviewed - updated
Cowher
Marty
Jimmy Johnson
Bob Stoops
Mularkey
Rob Ryan ;)
Brian Schottenheimer
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
Like the list except for JJ
Maybe if we were able to snag Marty Brian would come with him
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
is it the Extenz bits?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 7, 2011 11:58 PM MST up reply actions
lmao...
Nah its not about what you dont have its that you can have more… i think some coaches can evolve with as the game does. JJ in my mind is stuck in the 90’s.
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
did great in dallas pretty well in Miami (stuck with Marino never had a chance)
Top dawg with his current picks on Fox!
No idea what his current views are but I’m thinking some very good 90’s teams would do very well today thankyou
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 12:09 AM MST up reply actions
I love the Rob Ryan curveball
Nicely played, Whidbey
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:02 AM MST up reply actions
Wouldn't he be interesting with some good assistants.
really scary though.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 12:10 AM MST up reply actions
VERY scary
But those Dove Valley pressers would make some good TV.
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:12 AM MST up reply actions
we need a long hair in the nfl
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 12:14 AM MST up reply actions
Rob Ryan will take the job just to get a good look at my big ugly feet.
Bowlen will go for it cause he’s cheap. Get er done!
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Hire Tom Cable.
1) He was good enough to get fired by Al Davis.
2) He was good enough to lead the Raiders to a decent record with abysmal talent on offense.
3) He doesn’t want to be GM
4) He’d be cheap.
5) 6-0 vs. the Division. Clearly the guy knows how to motivate.
6) It’s late enough that I don’t know if I’m joking or not.
LMAO
RE: #6 — I don’t know either but I feel the same way when I look at that punch list. Cable could be terrific, as long as he doesn’t sucker punch his assistants. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:04 AM MST up reply actions
at minimum
maybe we bring him in for an interview, and debrief him on his AFC West game plans?
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:05 AM MST up reply actions
OLINE Coach
he knows the zone blocking scheme well if thats the direction we are going.
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
indeed
Man, I’m getting dizzy with all this talk of going from zone heavy to power heavy to zone heavy vs. staying power. The whole 4-3 > 3-4 > 4-3 or 3-4 is bad enough! LOL
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by broncosmontana on Jan 8, 2011 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
I really think the Zone blocking days are behind the NFL
sure loved them though.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 12:13 AM MST up reply actions
u r
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
right hook left no discernable mark...wea
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 12:12 AM MST up reply actions
ya and the last
guy the Broncos hired who was fired by Al Davis kicked the sh*t out of them ever time he played against them. Oh ya and he coached the Broncos to two superbowls.
Man Up, Jackwagons.
Newsflash: There are no GREAT head coach openings in the NFL. This is why they’re OPEN. Any team that sucks enough to have to fire a head coach probably hasn’t collected a ton of shiny hardware in the last three years or so. If a candidate is looking to jump aboard a winning team right away, he’s not only going to be waiting a long damn time, but he’s a crappy coach. the guy we want is looking for an organization willing to dole out some greenbacks (check!), an organization that wants to win (check!), a lovely place to raise the kids while he’s working 150 hours a week (check!), a team with an excited fan base and a tradition and uniforms that are totally different from the carolina panthers (check, check, annnnd check!)
Self-loathing is unbecoming—it’s totally raider fan territory. So what— the Flavor of the Month stayed home and John Elway called a guy ‘Mark’. Who cares. If anything, that kind of stuff just makes us cooler (If you want to work for us, you’ll be called ‘Mark’). It’s the Denver Freaking Broncos, people. Everything’s gonna be just fine.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
by oxmouth on Jan 8, 2011 12:48 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
I just have to chime in on this and say...
BRAVO… BEAUTIFUL… Love it…
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Jan 8, 2011 1:11 AM MST up reply actions
I appreciate this, ox
“It’s the Denver Freaking Broncos, people. Everything’s gonna be just fine.”
We’re going to find out one way or another.
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Green!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
I advocated this a week or 2 ago
I’d like him and maybe bring in a really good OC/DC. At least we would know egos wouldn’t clash
Please no holdovers
Pink slips for everybody please. This would be depressing as hell. Offer enough money and nobody will turn down Denver. I think the problem is these coaches want total control and they won’t get it here
It is quickly becoming apparent that no self respecting potential head coach wants any part of Dove Valley.
Tim, step back, take a deep breath, and relax. You’re freaking out, making these crazy claims that you for some reason believe to be 100 percent reality. Saying that Studs should be the HC because he is what we know, saying no self respecting potential head coach wants any part of the Broncos, saying that it’s not realistic to think we will have a winning season until 2013?
I don’t know who pissed in your cereal, but it’s time to cheer up and remember that this is a game, man! If we can’t have fun writing/cheering for the Broncos, then what’s the point?
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yep....that's for real
I think Tim had a revelation.
Nothing more, nothing less. It may end up being more accurate than even he would like. I don’t think anybody pissed in his cereal. It sounds to me like he has put quite a bit of thought in to this post, and this is what he was left feeling like after he weighed all the variables. I have to admit, I pretty much feel the same. I don’t know that I agree with Studs being coach or not, but maybe he’s right. Maybe if we STOP changing everything all the damn time, maybe then, and only then, will we be able to make any forward progress. The thing I worry about with Studs is that he will simply be exposed for what he is, which is an interim coach that was promoted from a position spot. I can’t say I feel comfortable knowing that he might be the guy, but if not him, then who? I think that is Tim’s point, at least, that is what I took from it.
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Don't pull Tim off as you teeter on that narrow ledge you guys are standing on,
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
Hey, I am breathing...hoping for the best - but if my gut is feeling strong enough I write about it.
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Maybe your gut was/is having acid reflux :)
it is waaaaaay too early to panic over who our next HC is going to be. Harbough, appears he wanted the 49’ers from the start. Mularkey, I take him at his word that he wants to focus on playoffs. It has only been six days since the end of the season, even McDaniels wasn’t hired that fast. And we would like to get this one right. With so many potential choices still involved in the playoffs, it may take a few more weeks to get our coach. Patience.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
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"If there is anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot NOW!"
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"If you didn't know, now you know"
still got to clean house
williams from new orleans to run his aggressive defense as head coach. have him hire the man below their oc as our oc. or pick williams and dennison as co-coaches with elway breaking the tie.
No such thing as Co-HC's
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~Dr. Seuss
"If there is anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot NOW!"
...Zaphod Beeblebrox-Intergalactic President
"If you didn't know, now you know"
Bring back Josh McDaniels
Set him up with a stronger front office and better coordinators. Sure it will be awkward for a month or two – like when you get back together with a girl and have to meet her family again – but that will pass.
:-)
i just puked in my cereal
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 3:19 AM MST up reply actions
Damn, and I just pissed in it too. lol
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I just puked and pissed in my cereal :(
Let’s do it!
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
~Dr. Seuss
"If there is anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot NOW!"
...Zaphod Beeblebrox-Intergalactic President
"If you didn't know, now you know"
Is this really happening?
Has our beloved team fallen so far from grace? Say it ain’t so. I don’t know anymore, Tim. I don’t know if I agree, or disagree with the premise of your post. I want to vehemently disagree, but I can’t. I think you tapped in to something very profound with this thread. Is that the problem? Are we just that awful that nobody wants to come within 50 miles of Dove Valley? I really, really hope that is not the case, but after reading what you wrote I got this queezy feeling in the pit of my stomach. I am afraid you are right. I love this team, and I hate the fact that we are and have been mired in turmoil like this.
Nobody knows who is going to coach the team. Nobody knows if Tebow will be our guy. Nobody knows if Elway is going to be able to notch one final comeback win. Nobody knows if Bailey is coming back. Nobody knows if Doom will be the same. Honestly, the more I sit here and think and type, the more queezy I get. Too many questions, very few answers. Let’s reconvene in a week or two. Maybe then we will have at least some of those questions answered. Very thought provoking post, at least for me it was.
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Couldn't disagree more..
I respectfully understand you wanting to maintain the status quo and i think Studesville is a class act and would hope he is retained. We already have a unproven front office that i’m reluctantly willing to give a chance . I’m not sold on Xanders yet and hope i’m wrong and he becomes a good GM) however a inexperienced Headcoach with front office spells disaster. We need a proven commodity..
Josh freaking McDaniels
Turned down the 49ers for an interview. I guess they can’t get any quality coaching prospects either, eh?
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by powderaddict on Jan 8, 2011 7:57 AM MST via mobile reply actions
McD Screwed us all.
I’m new here but I have to say, I love the passion that I’ve seen here from fellow Broncos fans. That being said….I must say that although Josh McDaniels made a great OC in New England and he did do wonders with Orton, he also completely wrecked the Denver Broncos train. His coaching tenure in Denver, aside from making Orton look decent, was a complete and utter disaster. Here’s why:
Any coaching candidate that wanted to interview with Denver after Shanahan was fired had to be licking their chops to get a chance to coach a team that featured rising stars like Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Hillis and Clady. A great young O-line and elite defensive players, Bailey and D.J. Williams. Any potential head coach would have looked at that lineup and salivated over it. They would have been eager to bring in their philosophy and systems, implement them and watch the talent execute. The Broncos at that time were not a project. They were not a team in rebuilding mode.
Enter Josh McDaniels. He did exactly the opposite of what any other coaching candidate would have done. He didn’t even bother to evaluate or consider the talent he had but decided beforehand that it wasn’t good enough. He tried to get Cassel and that’s the only reason Cutler had problems in Denver. And from there, things got gradually worse. The offensive pieces were in place when McD was hired. All he had to do was tweak the defense. Now, the Broncos are in complete rebuilding mode.
Any other coaching candidate would have loved to have inherited the talent on that Broncos roster after Shanahan was let go.
When you’re handed the keys to a porsche, you don’t trade them in for a Datsun. That’s essentially what McDaniels did when he inherited the Broncos.
by broncolanchefan on Jan 8, 2011 8:03 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
+1
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:12 AM MST up reply actions
Shanny wrecked the train...
I see McD trying to drive the train while laying track and cleaning up wreckage – he was doomed for failure. And now the wrecked train is even worse than before.
It looks like now the Broncos are committed to first, cleaning up the wreckage, then laying track, then conducting the train.
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we can agree there, I had hoped that McD and Company (Xanders somehow has the chance to blame it all on McD) woould do what we're doing now instead of making things worse.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:16 AM MST up reply actions
Come now, the blame Shanahan theme is getting a little old
Tim, I love your articles, but your impassioned defense of all things McDaniels is getting a little monomaniacal in nature.
McDaniels certainly didn’t think the train was wrecked. When he signed Dawkins and the other aging stopgaps on defense he told them the Broncos were going to compete in the playoffs. Was he lying? I think not. In any case, signing a bunch of aging stopgaps is hardly the method to start a rebuilding process. If indeed the Broncos were in such bad shape they had to go into full rebuilding mode, why did McDaniels pursue that method? Rebuilding teams get younger, not much older.
No, Shanahan left a team that was exactly what it’s record said it was: 8-8; mediocre. It was a fairly young team that was decent on offence and terrible on defense. There was a lot of potential, and McDaniels saw that.. McDaniels obviously didn’t think the team was so bad.
Two years later, the Broncos are also exactly what their record says they are. 4-12; the second worse team in the league. What is worse is that they have aged considerably in the last two years. (again, if McDaniels was trying to rebuild a team, what an odd way of doing that!) The broncos are now the only thing worse than a bad young team – a bad old team. That wasn’t Shanahans doing Tim.
McDaniels might well one day be a good X’s and O’s head coach. Tim, I know you will never let go of your faith in him, but I think rational people will acknowledge that as a GM, McDaniels was a disaster. He inflicted upon the Broncos a catastrophe that will take years to recover from.
I always found the deification of McDaniels hard to stomach. The continued worship of him even after the fruits of his labor have resulted in such horrific fruit is mind boggling. Alas, it is a testament to the human capacity to forgo reality to hold on to precious notions.
by BroncoMarc on Jan 8, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Tim is actually pretty anti-McD
So it’s hardly monomaniacal, considering his criticisms of McD were many.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
All season long....
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Agreeing with Tim below
He had more then a few. I’m not a huge McD fan, but even I had to defend McD from Tim sometimes.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I think you deny Shanny's involvement in just how bad this team was - from a talent standpoint.
8-8 was due to Shanny’s good play calling and coaching, but that 8-8 team was a 3-13 team talent-wise. This team is actually better from a talent standpoint than it was two years ago, but horrible from a coaching standpoint.
You see, I believe McD was a fantastic GM – but a horrible coach. Shanny was a fantastic coach and a horrible GM. We can disagree, but I truly believe I will be proven right about the talent McD has brought in. The foundation is there…but there is much work to be done with coaching and play calling. I am all for Studs, but only with some stud Coordinators. If not, then we need a new Head Coach like John Fox…who has been there done that.
Shanny left a team devoid of talent and once he left it become devoid of coaching talent as well, McD left a team full of talent, but devoid of quality coaches.
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On that, we couldn't disagree more.
What did you think of Jeff Legwold’s article in the Post where he talked to various NFL GM’s and asked them to rate the Broncos on a talent scale? I can assure you that you are in a very small (might I say miniscule) minority when it comes to your appraisal of the Broncos talent level.
Few coaches have ever been blessed with such a magnitude of high round draft picks. Fewer still have so little to show for it.
If indeed the Broncos have a team filled with great talent, you would think coaches would be falling over themselves trying to land this job. If his strength is in drafting, why aren’t teams looking to hire McDaniels in their front offices? (I can assure you that it will be years, if ever, that he is given any say whatsoever in personnel decisions for any franchise.)
In any case, if you think that McDaniels was such a horrific coach that he took a team with great talent and produced such pitiful results, I can only assume you were for his firing. There is no way that such a terrible terrible of an X’s and O’s coach can be aloud to retain his head coach status, regardless of his skills as a GM. Am I right there?
We'll find out who is right soon enough. :)
Legwold’s article focused on a tiny handful of McD guys….I found it be complete garbage, but okay.
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OK, one more question...
Again, if you are right that the Broncos are a team that is well above average in it’s talent level, I can only assume you believe it would only take average coaching to bring the Broncos a winning record next year. After all, mediocre coaching with superior players should produce above average results. What do you think the Broncos record will be next year?
And if the Broncos manage to land an above average coach next year, and combine it with their tremendous talent, I assume you believe they will actually not only make the playoffs, but make a strong push toward the Super bowl. Am I right?
If so, I don’t understand your general pessimism.
BTW, I am I also right that you were for letting Josh go? I’m just trying to understand where you are coming from.
I cannot make any predictions until I have an idea of where Elway is leading us.
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ok....
But what about my other questions? Sorry, I don’t mean to be pushy, but I’m having a real hard time grasping where you are coming from.
I think this organization finally realizes it has to start over
The hired McD with the idea he would WIN NOW….McD tried, but the train wreck was too massive. I think this team will improve each year….just don’t expect playoffs in 2011.
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It’s interesting that we both agree the it McDaniels had to go, and that the Broncos are starting over. In essence, they are an expansion franchise. As far as not expenting the playoffs in 2011 (and that sounded dangerously close to a prediction Tim!) have no worries. I’d be shocked if the immortal VInce Lombardi could coax six wins out of this bunch. I guess I just don’t understand why you feel that way if you truely believe they are so talent rich.
doomed???
I can’t accept that inheriting a team that features the players I mentioned above as being “doomed for failure.” Most coaches would have wanted to build around that core of players, not scrap them and rebuild from scratch. McD failed all by himself.
by broncolanchefan on Jan 8, 2011 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely NO to Studes as HC. BEWARE of the pendulum effect.
The pendulum continues to swing. I won’t write my view of the entire history of the past few years, but it makes sense to me why McD was hired and why Studes is now an attractive HC candidate. However, it is also clear to me that we should NOT keep Studes as head coach. Each hire had strengths where his predecessor had weaknesses. It’s the pendulum effect that must stop.
McD’s approach appeared to be a breath of fresh air after Shanny ran the team into the ground; a complete overhaul, a new competitive philosophy, new offensive and defensive systems. To me, McDaniels was like the technical engineer who was so good at what he did that he was promoted to a managerial position. McD is extremely intelligent and excels in the technical aspects of football.
But this technical excellence was McD’s problem, just like most engineers who are promoted to become people managers. I’ve seen this time and time again in my work. Those who are experts in the technology have a difficult time backing away and delegating to others. They know no one else is as proficient as they are, so they refuse to delegate. They don’t trust others to do as well as they would do.
The end result is they get spread too thin, burn themselves out, and are not able to give due diligence to many of the decisions that are made. This is one problem with promoting an engineer to management. The other is the void of leadership. I know I am stereotyping, but this is generally true in my experience. Engineers are problem solvers, typically not leaders of men. It becomes more about control than leadership when they are promoted. I believe the engineer McD was learning leadership skills, but was already in over his head with this team, no thanks to the void of leadership from the Broncos front office, and had already reached critical mass where decisions were being made by him alone without a due-diligence group think process. I also believe McD will become a very good HC over time, for another team, but that is a topic for another discussion.
Studesville, on the other hand, is the antithesis of McDaniels. He is a people person, not an engineer. He seems to relate well to the team and to the media, and gets along well with assistant coaches and likely the front office too. He is a nice guy. The problem is that we have very little evidence of his technical abilities. I have little confidence he could game plan better than opposing coaches or design the winning play down by 3 with 30 seconds left on the clock. There are lots of nice guys out there with some football knowledge, but unless the Broncos are changing the coaching structure to where the coach is mainly involved in player relations and integrating plays from the expert assistant coaches and nothing else, then I believe he is not the right coach for the Broncos at this time. He may also become a very good HC over time, but to me Studes is more of a risk at HC than McD, even with the improved front office structure.
by JoePlummer on Jan 8, 2011 8:13 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:16 AM MST up reply actions
Coach of choice
Let me throw out two names; Ron Rivera and Marty Morninweg. Best DC and best quarterback tutor out there. Broncs need both.
How about letting the process play out without panic. We are at the bottom and it will take steps. The first one is funding the best coaching staff. The best not the biggest name
by always broncs on Jan 8, 2011 8:21 AM MST via mobile reply actions
Sorry finding not funding that will come with it ha
by always broncs on Jan 8, 2011 8:22 AM MST via mobile reply actions
playoffs
Hate to point this out to op, but hiring coaches from a playoff team is a long standing tradition in the nfl, after their season is over.
Two traits that cripple a mans character: impatience and exhaggeration.
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by Scrappy Bill on Jan 8, 2011 8:26 AM MST via mobile reply actions
This is still a great place to coach
So in a matter of 2 years Denver has lost its respect around the league? I really doubt that, i mean you would have to say that rest of the league thinks firing Josh McDaniels was an egregious act. That is not the perception, right or wrong on his firing. The perception is that McD let alot of talent go and he has paid the price for that.
I think the slim pickings has more to do with the CBA and the uncertainty revolving around that. I think if we asked Mariucci to be coach he would take it in 2 seconds. Lets just wait and see what happens before we say the Broncos are in Raider status.
absolutely. The Broncos still try to win via FA which is something a great number of teams out there don't do. This is an attraction to a HC.
I’ve no doubt that the league-wide consensus has little problem with McD’s firing.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 9:14 AM MST up reply actions
LOL at the desperate posters (hand-wringers)....you know who you are
So the Broncos don’t have a coach yet…..BFD….Elway has been on the job for what…four days?? Give them some time to find the right guy….For all we know, Harbaugh will be another Spurrier or Saban in the NFL…Relax and enjoy the intrigue; I know I am….
It's Elway - let me know when the 4th quarter of this "search process" game starts
So I can watch him lead the comeback.
One huge positive for Dennison
His past as a DENVER BRONCO. For whatever reason, this is being laughed at. I consider it necessary. McDaniel’s greatest sin against this franchise wasn’t his incompetence from a personnel standpoint, it was his ignorance and disdain for the Broncos own history and culture of winning. His only goal was to create New England West. Newsflash: I DON’T WANT ANYTHING THAT SMACKS OF NEW ENGLAND HERE!!! It was my primary reason for hating the hiring in the first place. I want someone who will be committed to THIS team, not to himself or where he came from. McD NEVER did that. Is Dennison the best choice as HC? Probably not, but it’s not because he was a “Shanny-guy” or whatever ridiculous reasons are being thrown around.
Studes is out of his depth. Fewell is an interesting prospect. But unless somebody more inspiring comes out, or Elway waits until the playoffs are over to interview some of the coaches who are “wait-and-see”, my interest is most piqued by Koetter. He’s a Rocky Mountain guy with no dyed-in-the-wool allegiance to the team he would be leaving.
McDaniel’s greatest sin against this franchise wasn’t his incompetence from a personnel standpoint, it was his ignorance and disdain for the Broncos own history and culture of winning.
Which is why he refused to let guys like John Elway and Rod Smith visit the practice field.
Oh wait, he didn’t.
In good times and bad times, I'm a Bronco fan. Sucka.
by broncosmontana on Jan 9, 2011 1:36 AM MST up reply actions
I haven't read the whole comment thread here...
But to the OP – You need to calm down. This is a severe over reaction. Wow.
haha
Have you just met Zappa?
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:12 AM MST up reply actions
Hey now...I tend to be right more than wrong
but yes, I am doubting my original feelings on this subject – thanks to the conversation in this thread.
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Hey, if we can be more right than wrong we're in great shape! (I've been thankful to 'modify' many of my opinions based on MHR input)
You know, one point we keep overlooking in this thread. Bowlen will spend the money in Free Agency that many teams won’t. He TRULY wants to win, not just fill the seats.
I would consider this is a valid draw to most any potential coach.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 8, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
I think time will produce the best staff and not name recognition
by always broncs on Jan 8, 2011 10:56 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Nolan, Nolan, Nolan....why is Mike Nolan in the conversation?
HC experience! Great DC! Been with Bronxos 2X before! Known quantity! Great football heritage! Knows ALL Bronco execs! Solid reputation! Respected throughout league! Classy guy! Understands Denver fanbase and traditions! He’s smart! He should still be here if not for McD! Bring him in…we’ve got everthing to gain!
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
I think he likes it where he is, and will probably stay there.
Miami is where he apparently wanted to be, even before signing on with Denver as DC, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he becomes Miami’s next new head coach.
McD burned that bridge for us.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
I seem to recall over the years, the prevailing thought was that the MSM hated the Broncos, and have never showed the Broncos any respect.
This has been the case for as long as I can remember. Way back to when John Madden retired from the Raiders and joined the broadcast booth. People actually would throw bricks at TVs because of the disrespect sports announcers (Madden in particular) had for the Broncos. So now, Harbaugh signing on with the 49ers without first giving the Broncos the courtesy of an interview, and Mularky postponing his interview so he can concentrate on the playoffs, can only mean that the Broncos are suddenly disrespected by the sports media and no self-respecting coach wants to coach here? Splain to me, then Lucy, when did the love fest start, because I guess I missed it.
Let’s get over the gloom and doom, the sky is falling attitude that seems to be building here. The Broncos have begun the process by defining who the real GM is, by bringing in Elway, and by beginning the search for head coach. Give them time to complete the process. They’ll find and hire a quality head coach and, although they likely won’t be in the Superbowl next year, the Broncos will be fine. Life will go on. Why make ourselves so miserable over something we have absolutely no control over?
The Broncos are irrelevant, nothing for the MSM to hate.
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The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
Like the Cards, Raiders and other average or below average teams
Not going to get talked about much unless you are good or really bad, the inbetween teams don’t get much notice.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
NFL rules for interviews
I wish I remember where I saw this BUT I swear the coach interview rule for wild card teams said that the week after their game was an acceptable interview period. If this is the case . maybe we’ll get an opportunity to talk with Gregg Williams and others. I’m for patience and thoroughness. GO BRONCOS
Some have already talked to teams
Mularkey has already had interviews, Cleveland is one example.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Falcons had a bye
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He will have ONE interview with Cleveland and then cant meet until Atlanta is OUT of play offs.
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I'm saying they have the ability to meet with teams
There is no rule against it.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Cant if the are playing in play ofs that week....only if they are on a bye r out of the play offs.
FIRE JOE ELLIS!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
It is foolhardy to...
…underestimate the damage done over the last two years. The talent stock has been decimated (excellent article by Brian Shrout on this site says it better than I can) , there are few shining prospects (Moreno, Ayers, Beadles, Walton, Thomas. Really? Probably in the bottom half, if not the bottom quartile of prospects across the NFL.), aging veterans are showing wear and tear (mainly on defense), today’s draft picks were mortgaged for yesterday’s reaches (6 draft picks in another rebuilding year is not enough), the coaching staff is abysmal (if they were fired, do you think any team would rush to hire McCoy or Wink?), and the fan base is back on its heels. Tebow is a spark, but it is wildly premature to have anything more than hope.
A negative post? Perhaps. But perhaps the situation is objectively negative.
Hope is not a strategy.
by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Jan 8, 2011 1:22 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Well said
The truth hurts doesn’t it? But it’s better to acknowledge it than hiding in fantasy land.
And another thing
Let’s hope that smarter heads prevail and Studesville is not walking the sideline next year. His results as a RB coach were not worthy of being rehired in that role. Head Coach? That is a cringe-worthy concept. Is it his emotion that is winning him some fans? Emotional or emotionless – neither are correlated to being a good coach. Success can be had with either style. I think that the last two years have clearly demonstrated that fist pumping and belly bumping have nothing to do with being a legit coach in the NFL.
by FanSinceTheDonHornEra on Jan 8, 2011 1:41 PM MST reply actions
No No No No
Cleaning house means cleaning house – keeping the running backs coach for one of the worst running games in the NFL doesn’t fit any of that pattern. There are only 32 NFL head coaching in the whole wide world – all of them are “elite” lobs.
patience
We need to interview at least 10. Agree wit’ dat’..
All we need is a little..;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzuC5UoM8g
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