Mock Drafts - No Offense Please, It's Offensive
For all those of you wonderful Mock Drafters taking the hours to write up some very interesting Mocks remember that Denver essentially has 10 starting positions that they must upgrade or find future replacements on Defense. TE’s, Guards, and RBs are all nice things to draft, but I am throwing out the idea of doing a switch. Instead of fixing the defense with free agents and drafting offense I would hope that the opposite happens in 2011. Fix the offense with free agents and draft defense. The number one reason why is that Denver has the worst defense in the NFL. Stats don’t lie at this level. 32nd in yards. 32nd in points. The only Defensive players taken in the first two rounds in the last five years are
2010 - none
2009 – DE Ayers, CB A. Smith, S D. McBath
2008 - none
2007 – DE J. Moss, T. Crowder
2006 -- none
Only two of the five players are still with the Broncos and neither of them are studs. (Ayers is average at what he does in this defense). McBath is a special teams player at the moment.
Tight Ends
Please stop taking TE’s in the Draft – It is a very dependent and non-vital position in the NFL. Most Tight Ends are dime a dozen players and don’t make that much of an impact unless their last name is Gates or Clark. I don’t know if you remember the draft of 2006 beyond Jay Cutler, but 8 TEs were taken in the first three rounds, two in the first round including Vernon Davis with the 6th overall pick. The Niners could have taken Jay Cutler or Matt Leinart and they took Davis.
Here is the list of tight ends in that draft which was supposed to hold large amounts of future Antonio Gates.
6th Vernon Davis
28th Meredes Lewis – didn’t break 41 catches until this year
46th Joe Klopfenstien – Cut in his third year. Is currently out of football
53rd Anthony Fasano – Was traded in his third year. Never broke 40 catch mark.
61st Tony Scheffler – Had a great report with Cutler in Denver and is now the second guy in Detroit behind Pettigrew.
72nd Leonard Pope – Cut in his third year. Had 10 catches for KC this last year.
86th David Thomas --
92nd Dominique Bryd
These guys are floating all over the NFL. We can pick up two TEs in free agency or trade for a PB & J sandwhich.
TEs available in Free Agency this year – Zach Miller, Owen Daniels, Kevin Boss, Mercedes Lewis, and 20 other guys.
Running Backs – As much as I love to watch running backs they are really not the focus of any team that has won a championship. Defense and Quarterbacks are the key people. Running back by committee seems to be the way to go. No more Emmitt Smith’s around leading their teams to the big trophy. A lot of three headed RB monsters. This is a good year to pick up a couple of back in free agency.
RB Free Agents available -- DeAngelo Williams, Arian Foster, Amhad Bradshaw, Mike Tolbert, Michael Bush, Ronnie Brown, Leon Washington, and 20 other guys.
Offensive Line – Denver has already invested in their O-Line in the draft the last couple of years since 2006 with Ryan Harris. The line sowed that it had a couple of rookies. Give them some time and bring in a couple of vets in Free Agency that can give depth and provide leadership and experience. Light and Mankins are available. Just sing those guys and watch Tom Brady try to stand in the pocket.
OL Free Agents - - Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Carl Nicks
Draft Front Seven
Denver has seven draft picks in the first three rounds in this years and next years draft. How convenient? I see a lot of Patrick Peterson being mocked to Denver, but let me ask you this? Would you rather have porous defensive line and try to develop a corner first or have a decent secondary and develop a defensive line first? Champ and others will be here for another year. Denver needs to desperately reload in their D-Line and get those guys developing. I don’t think it matters if you take Peterson because no corner is going to help you when you are getting ran over for 200+ yards per game. Also, Peterson would not be able to cover WRs for seven seconds. Corner is a luxury position that you take when you have already put a few other pieces in up front. Currently Denver has a bunch of second string players as their front seven and it has showed.
Denver’s Likely D-Line with no upgrades or additions.
DT – Justin Bannan
NT – Jamal Williams
DT – Marcus Thomas
My best case Mock Draft
1st Round (2nd Overall)– DT Nick Fairley 6-4 298 or DT Marcel Dareus 6-3 298 lbs
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I don’t personally have tape on these guys to really know which one will work out better. I like both and think they can be studs at the next level. Denver scouts will have to decide which will be the better prospect.
2nd Round (36th overall) -- NT Jerrell Powe - 320lbs - 6-2
This is a must. This guy can be dominant and is the best NT prospect in the draft. Denver currently has no top NT prospects. Marcus Thomas should be playing DE in a 3-4. Did anyone see what BJ Raji did against the Eagles offense? All top Nose Tackle Prospects are talked about as lazy fat and a risk. The truth is not many NT prospects ever get beyond that and it is OK. They only play a about 60% to 70% of snaps and are there to eat up blockers and make a push. These aren’t pass rushers. These are big uglies. Get em in a weight room and get start developing. His draft stock will shoot up in the combine.
From nfldraftscout.com
| 12/08/10 - 2010 ALL-SEC FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Jerrell Powe, Ole Miss, has been selected All-SEC Football Second Team for the 2010 college football season as selected by the SEC head football coaches. The senior defensive tackle earned second team honors for the second straight year, after garnering the same distinction in 2009 from the Associated Press. A native of Waynesboro, Miss., Powe was among the candidates for the Rotary Lombardi Award, Outland Trophy and Bronko Nagurski Trophy and was voted a Team Captain by his teammates. Despite often facing double teams, Powe amassed 27 total tackles, 8.5 TFLs and 2.5 sacks this season, including 1.5 sacks at No. 8 Alabama. Powe missed only one game in his three seasons with the Red and Blue and started 22 of 25 games the past two years. The 6-foot-2, 320-pounder concludes his Rebel career with 69 total tackles, 24 TFLs and seven sacks. - Ole Miss football |
2nd Round (46th overall)–DE/ DT Jared Crick
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Denver now has three legit linemen prospects. It is Ok if one doesn’t pan out, but the youth surge up front is now in place. This isn’t a sexy mock, but neither are record breaking days by opposing running backs. Did anyone see what BJ Raji did against the Eagles offense? Denver needs a complete foundation at D-line. No house can be built without it and this year is deep in D-Linemen.
3rd Round – (67th overall) ILB Mark Herzlich
This guy had an issue with cancer is now cancer free. Your middle linebackers are the QBs of the defense. This guy has all the intangibles and the physical gifts to match. A true leader and playmaker. He will be a steal in the third round.
Beyond the fourth round
I think it is too difficult to project beyond the third, but Denver only has three picks left. None in the fourth or fifth. So I am not holding out for starting material with those guys. Maybe one will shine through. Could use some more DB help and the aforementioned offensive positions.
At this point Denver can focus on Pass Rushers and DBs in 2012 if they want. They should still consider pass rushers and linebackers for the next year.
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there are good sleeper inside linebackers available in the 7th. Plus receiving tight ends (both of the Stanford tight ends – Cory Fleener, Konrad Reuland, etc). Plus a lot of sleeper RB’s – Vai Taua, Derek Locke, etc.
I do like your Matt Light free agency pickup. We do need tackle depth – and a veteran presence like his – and with a left-handed QB, we have playing time opportunities for a pass-protection LT at RT. I doubt we can offer the $$ of a team that will have him starting solely at LT — but we can offer him a longer contract than those teams.
Other than Matt Light — and picking up a pass-rushing linebacker like Lamarr Woodley or Tamba Hali — I don’t think we should be active in free agency this year.
I really do like your pick of Powe at 36. We might be able to pick him up with our #46 pick – only Washington needs a NT between those two picks. But there is no way Powe will make it to the 3rd round with both the Jets and Steelers watching and in “replacement” mode for their NT.
I like it! I would be psyched if we revamped our D like this in the upcoming draft. I’d also like Bowers if we end up going 4-3.
Let's put the 'D' back in Denver
I like Bowers a lot as well
I think he’ll be the #1 pick. If Denver picks him I would be fine with it. Not the direction I would start out with because of the desperate need for interior linemen, but not bad.
I'd say
Fairley is a better fit in a 4-3 than a 3-4
I was eleven when Elway made the "leap" in Super Bowl XXXII, but I like to think that's still the moment I was conceived. Go Broncos!
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me too
and I’m hoping we stay 3-4. I know it’s much harder to draft for that scheme, but I absolutely love defenses like the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Packers, and Patriots. Man, I wish we could’ve landed B.J. Raji in the 2009 draft. I’d take him over Robert Ayers (who I like) in a heartbeat. Ted Thompson is quickly becoming the new NFL draft king.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
you thinking we're going back to four down lineman?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Yeah, you are right.
TE’s are pretty worthless. Todd Heap sucked for the Ravens today and didn’t contribute at all. Fantasy football stats tell the true worth of a player.
no doubt man
some people have it all twisted. Perhaps agentj007 is from the Josh McDaniels school of thought – what is a TE again? John Carlson looked pretty sucky against the Saints as well – 2 TD’s. I don’t know where people get this thought that every single draft pick we have, will be spent on D – it’s all about BPA baby!!! If a talented Offensive player falls to you in the 2nd, and seeing how we probably will end up with 3-4 2nd round picks, you’d be thick if you didn’t at least entertain the thought of drafting him.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Be careful man
Them is fighten words. I can’t stand the majority of the personnel moves that McDaniels made. He single handedly torpedoed this team in a single offseason.
Oh and don’t make me bring up the famous TE pick who shall remain nameless.
Oh no - not Big Rich Quinn
man, I know. That selection from McD is enough to turn the staunchest of TE supporters, against them in the draft. No bro, I was just kidding about the McD thing – your mock is super solid.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
How did that pick go so wrong. I thought he was going to be an OK player.
Let's put the 'D' back in Denver
Ugh
I can’t tell you that, but I can tell you this – trading two 3rds away for a blocking TE and a 4th, is bad-bad news.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Could have Taken RB Shonn Greene
Who was the first pick in the Third.
For that matter 2009 could have looked like this.
1st – OLB Brian Orakpo
1st — ILB Clay Mathews
2nd — Darcel McBath
3rd — RB Shonn Green
The new guys have a shot to crush this next draft, a draft like that could start the turn around of a franchise
Let's put the 'D' back in Denver
I cannot wait
I’d love to see any combo of these players:
Patrick Peterson ~ Marcell Dareus ~ DaQuan Bowers ~ Jimmy Smith ~ Stephen Paea ~ Kyle Rudolph ~ Robert Sands ~ Mark Barron ~ Noel Devine ~ Casey Matthews ~ Mark Herzlich ~ Kelvin Sheppard ~ Owen Marecic ~ Marcus Cannon ~ Chris Hairston ~ Jared Crick ~ Adrian Clayborn ~ J.J. Watt ~ Nick Fairley ~ Christian Ballard ~ Von Miller ~ Cameron Jordan ~ Akeem Ayers ~ Allen Bailey ~ Mike Pouncey ~ Justin Houston ~ Sione Fua ~ Kenny Tate ~ Phil Taylor ~ Drake Nevis ~ Jeremy Beal ~ Brandon Burton ~ Ras-I Dowling ~ Jerrell Powe ~ Quinton Carter ~ Quan Sturdivant ~ Sam Acho ~ Steven Friday ~ Lance Kendricks ~ Thomas Keiser ~ Lawrence Guy ~ D.J. Williams ~ Kendrick Ellis ~
Any of these guys in the first 4 rounds, and I will be tickled blue & orange.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I want to see a few of those guys on the team as well, PH!
I’ll be butt hurt (mad as hell) if we don’t don’t…
by bfree2bronc on Jan 10, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions
lmao
Butt hurt…..as in Jay Cutler when we played the Chargers, butt hurt? As in Al Davis sometime in the near future when Tom Cable finds him in a dark alley, butt hurt? As in Jimmy Clausen his whole life, butt hurt? Or last but not least, as in Rex Ryan once his wife finds out what he’s been writing about her on his bio on that porn site, butt hurt? (Good Lord, did you guys see some of the stuff old Sexy Rexy is into – not for the sqeamish, that’s for sure).
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
here's the link
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
he just gets excited about feet
cause when he looks down he can’t see ’em. LOL
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
That would have been sweet 007
But I believe that Orakpo & Matthews would’ve left little place for Dumervil – could you imagine those three beasts on the same team. It would be the greatest pass rush trio the league has ever seen. I’d take Clay Matthews if I had to pick between the two. The only other minute problem I have with this could-have-been draft, is why McBath? The guy has been ok when healthy, but never healthy. I’m sure McD could have done better than him also.
Knowing what we know now about the 2009, it should have gone a little something like this (keep in mind, knowing what we know now, we keep Hillis):
1st Round, Pick 12 – Michael Oher
1st Round, Pick 18 – Clay Matthews
2nd Round, Pick 37 – Rey Maualuga / Jairus Byrd (assuming we still trade, which I would still highly advise against; imagine if we land Earl Thomas with that pick this year)
2nd Round, Pick 48 – Max Unger (hate to say it – better than Walton so far)
2nd Round, Pick 64 – Terrance Knighton (nice young NT for JAX)
4th Round, Pick 114 – Sammie Lee Hill (nice developmental NT for DET)
4th Round, Pick 132 – Johnny Knox (we needed WR’s then + he’s a KR/PR)
5th Round, Pick 141 – Jasper Brinkley (big ol’ ILB for the Vikes)
6th Round, Pick 174 – Bernard Scott (nice change of pace back for Cincy)
7th Round, Pick 225 – Julian Edelman (would’ve been a great slot guy in McD’s scheme)
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Plaehorse78
I agree there could have and should have been better picks by us, however if you knew the lottery numbers before the lottery drawing you would be a millionaire.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!
by The 3 Amigos on Jan 10, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
It was all in fun bro
It wasn’t meant to be taken so serious. Some people get so upset (PMS), it makes you leary to even comment anymore.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
Wow, your hindsight GM skills are impeccable!
To think that you can look back after the fact and smash every draft pick out of the park like that! Wow! Impressive!
With your amazing hindsight GM skills I bet you could even do this for all of our other drafts from the past too huh, not just 2010. If so, that would be really impressive!
Scouting talents like you are a rarity my friend. And to think you’re here sharing your vast hindsight knowledge with all of us instead of working for some hindsight scouting department somewhere!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
Wow
you took our comments way to serious. Don’t worry, I’m not bashing McD. This was an exercise in fun, nothing too serious, just a comment on a blog. Not once did I imply I was a draft genious, or a scouting talent. You need to chill brother.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
dont let him bother you
some people just wake up and decide to pop a badass pill first thing in the morning :)
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
no doubt, thanks for the uplift
That whole morning thing works adversely on me as well. There’s no point in joining the grumpy club today, is there 55?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
no sir!
The Grumpy club doesn’t have any good sandwiches, no need to join them :)
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
I hear their Kool-Aid sucks too
not as orange as ours :D
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
you didn't read it, you just reacted
Knowing what we know now about the 2009, it should have gone a little something like this (keep in mind, knowing what we know now, we keep Hillis):
all in fun man, not flaming precious McD’s drafting skills.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
My comment had nothing to do with McD
My point was your little exercize is pointless.
Every team can look back and do exactly what you did there. Of course if you know how things play out you could have made better draft picks. To go back and say “knowing what we know now this is how we should have drafted”…is pointless.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
then don't read it
and quit being a grump. Why didn’t you jump on 007
(not that he deserves it either), the comment in which I responded. Or……are you just singling me out? The internet police are out in full force today buddy!!! Watch out!!!!!
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
your comments are as pointless as the one I am making now
to sit there and slander someone for their thoughts is rude and in most cases, unwelcomed. Pale is just making conversation about football and you are slandering his thoughts.
To chastise him for his thoughts is more pointless than his excersize, and is as pointless as the point I am making now.
Historical draft data and what we should have done has a point. You can look at what type of player the ones we could had taken are, what were their stats in college, look at their physical attributes and see if there is a match for what you need today. What could have been, can be mistakes learned for the future.
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
a respectful point
I take the hindsight bias problem in the vein it was intended but the myth that Xanders was out of the loop during the last two drafts (and, moreover, that those picks represent egregious personnel decisions) while McDaniels was not is unsupportable. It’s an apocryphal story that needs to have a spike stuck in it.
Many of the alternate draft choices STILL don’t make sense, and their success is partly attributable to the circumstances that allowed them to succeed. For instance, I’d love to have Clay Mathews (who I lauded at the time of the draft) but his skill set placed him at R-OLB where Dumervil plays. And it’s doubtful that Dumervil would have had an NFL leading sack total if we had given many of his snaps to Mathews.
The subject of ‘alternate’ draft histories is worthy of discussion but I balk when contingencies are likewise altered and team-based contributions are attributed to the player himself. Another problem with these alternate scenarios is the ability to change draft position in order to make a selection. The discipline that a draft pick budget imposes prevents a team from taking more than a small fraction of the alternative choices. There are always many more players who appear (in retrospect) to have been attractive choices but there’s no way to fit them into a budget, nor to necessarily draft them without added trades to draft without reaching. The actual metric for evaluating drafts is an abstract number that is remote to the rosy retrospection process and is thus under-appreciated. Our tendency is to ignore trade-offs. It’s a little like a child in an Easter egg hunt who tries to collect ever more eggs while ignoring the fact that previously collected eggs are being pushed out of the basket to make way for new ones.
"the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque." – Norman Cohn - quoted in The Paranoid Style in American Politics
HELL YES!!!!!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2011 7:11 AM MST up reply actions
Never said they were worthless
Just not as important as other positions for the Broncos early in the draft.
Wow, you seriously feel that way about Tight Ends?
It is a very dependent and non-vital position in the NFL.
I’m glad you think so. Vernon Davis is a beast, and was every bit worthy of his high selection (if he and Cutler were in the draft today, I’d probably be leaning towards Davis). Did you see what he did the last two years – now, imagine if he had a QB (78 catches, 965 yards, and 13 TD’s in 2009 / 56 grabs, 914 yards and 7 TD’s this year – that’s not an impact?). You seriously think that the only TE’s who matter in the NFL are Dallas Clark and Antonio Gates? Uh, no…. fail.
Tony Gonzalez – John Carlson (caught 2 TD’s against the Saints Saturday) – Owen Daniels (when healthy) – Rob Gronkowski (what a year that young man had, and he’s not any where near finished) – Jason Witten (this guy’s middle name is impact) – Dustin Keller (at times) – Chris Cooley (if he was on a different team, who knew how to use him) – Todd Heap (once again, at times) – Visanthe Shianco – Heath Miller – Zach Miller – Brandon Pettigrew – Kellen Winslow – Marcedes Lewis…… all of these guys were drafted at one time (you have to get them somewhere). There are some pretty nice TE’s in free agency, but most of them WILL get resigned by their original team. If one of them gets away, then I’m all for it.
My mock, for instance, had 7 players spent on Defense, and 3 taken for the Offense – I promise you, you will see something like this. Nobody has an all Defensive, or all Offensive draft (unless they have something like 3 picks). I’d say our draft will lean towards the Defensive side of the ball, and I hope it does, but if a talented player like Kyle Rudolph lands to you in the 2nd, and have three 2nd’s in your pocket, you’d be foolish not to entertain it, especially considering you have two more 2nd’s at your disposal. If you’re hoping for an all Defensive draft, I’m warning you, you will be let down.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I like TEs
But they just shouldn’t be a priority in the Draft. Owens was a fourth rounder in 2006. Shannon Sharpe was a late round prospect as well. They were awesome for their teams and didn’t have to be taken in the first or second round.
If Denver wants to spend a fifth, sixth or seventh on a TE I’m all for it.
I just think that the trenches and front seven are desperate for a youth movement. Of course Kyle could be taken in the first and this conversation is moot.
Vernon Davis is a rare bird and there on none of those types in this draft. If so you would have a very convincing argument.
I think Kyle Rudolph
is worth a 2nd, if Atlanta passes on him, but only if we acquire another 2nd, which I’m pretty certain we will. The only time TE should be a priority in the draft is if a freak (like Davis) is out there, or in our case – you don’t freakin’ have ONE, zilch.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
there you go, my full of common sense friend
You’re always taking the thoughts out of my typing fingers Plain. Are you me and Grind’s long lost bro?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Again I point to the TE FAs
If there is Free Agency – I would really like to see Owen Daniels in a Bronco Uni
agreed
IF, and that’s a big if, he can keep his butt healthy.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I would love that, but I would be surprised if he got away from Houston.
Let's put the 'D' back in Denver
me too
I would be surprised if Lewis, Boss, or Miller gets away either.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
screw knowledge
when you have the horse sense of plainview88 :-)
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
If Denver has three 2nd rounders
They now have a luxury pick and I think TE would be great because that is the one position on offense Denver is really lacking in.
Now we're getting somewhere buddy
I’m totally with you – if we have only two 2nd’s, we need to go D,D,D, and D (actually more like D & D).
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I agree. Especially since good receiving TE’s are rarely good blocking ones as well and vice versa. They are worth a low round draft pick — which requires good scouting to identify the sleepers from the draft board drek.
I’d actually say the same thing about RB’s too. Obviously the top 5 or so are in a different tier — but beyond that, college football produces bucketload of great RB’s who never get drafted. Arian foster for example. We just never hear about them because teams are committed to the high pick RB’s. Personally — I think even trading Moreno is an option if it would net us good draft slots.
me too
I love Knowshon. It’s a shame the guy has had no O-Line help.
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I don't know if I love knowshon
I went to the last two games and there was a nick name being thrown around. Knoyards Moreno. Seemed like the guy didn’t have enough moves and ran into tackles. He shows some flashes, but it is difficult to gage with the state of a young O-line.
I don't care about yards so much
Knowshon is a little Touchdown machine. What did he end up with this year (in super limited play, mind you), like 9 total TD’s?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
I like him, I think he can be a nice weapon on offense, but we need an improvement in the running game going forward.
Let's put the 'D' back in Denver
don't take me wrong, I totally agree
But sometimes you have to take playmakers like Moreno early on in the draft. I would rather have Matthews or Oher instead, but I’m not gonna bitch too bad about Knowshon. I 100% agree that we need to fill out the RB rotation, and get Moreno (and our team) some help. Having Tim Tebow back there will help (it wouldn’t shock me to see him run for 800 yards, or more, in a season).
I’d like to see us get any of the following to add to the RB core:
LeRon McClain (he doubles as a FB)
DeAngelo Williams (nasty blend of speed/size)
Noel Devine (this guy could be a homerun threat from anywhere on the field – running / receiving / returning)
Roy Helu Jr. (I just love this dude’s style)
Toby Gerhart (we can possibly get him in the Orton trade)
Peyton Hillis (why, why, oh why….sob, sob, sniffle – I know, quit obsessing, he’s never comin back)
Ronnie Brown (too injury prone to do it all, but would pair with Knowshon nicely)
Michael Bush (when healthy, is a terror on two feet)
Derrick Locke (see Noel Devine above)
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
Our very own TD, qualifies as another
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
We used to be the best in the NFL at finding late-round RB’s and turning them into solid NFL producers. Getting rid of the zone-blocking scheme and using a 1st round pick on RB made me sick to my stomach. I hope that skill set is not completely gone from the Broncos organization. In future years, when we have more draft picks again – that organizational skill would be good to revive if it still exists.
if Dennison comes home
I expect this skill will come back to us. I’d bet my life that Moreno absolutely excells in the one cut ~ down hill ~ zone blocking scheme. It seems like a match made in heaven, and the extra benefit of Knowshon – he’s a much better receiver, route runner, screen type player than most of our old zone block runners/
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:30 AM MST up reply actions
agreed
I heard he was going to interview Tuesday, I know Denver had gotten permission to interview him. Is this still the case, I haven’t heard anything official as of yet???
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Agreed. We need a TE but not in the 1st three rounds!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2011 7:13 AM MST up reply actions
on another note (from my TE comment)
I would daresay that if Vernon Davis is united with Andrew Luck (or another stud QB) he would put up insane, #1 wide out numbers. I could easily see him having a 90 grab, 1,400 yard, 13 TD season, couldn’t you? Vernon Davis has the potential to be the greatest Tight End ever, and I’m saying this because you know his blocking skills will get more refined, and much better as he ages.
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The best mock ive seen so far
I like the D-line picks. I think though at some point later in this draft we need to get an o-lineman for depth. I think every draft should include atleast one o-line and one d-line pick somewhere. And I really don’t believe that Matt light leaves the Pats. Mankins might just cause of their falling out with the contract dispute but that team got a whole lot better when he started playing for them again. I expect them to resign him. I really like the Mark Herzlich (sp?) pick. I also think we should stay with the 3-4 D. Dumervile was just hitting his stride in this style
I actually think there is an ok chance to sign Matt Light. He is declining as a pure LT and New england has Sebastian Vollmer ready to slide over to left tackle to replace him. I’m sure they’ll offer him a one-year transition deal but if he wants a longer-term deal – even as part-time player – there’s a good chance they’ll let him go.
Well thought out, and well written.
I think too many people underestimate how much a strong front seven dramatically imrpoves the secondary – (does anyone remember the starting lineup the Ravens had going on this year in the backfield, it was atrocious, but the held out because the front seven is full of face-stomping bad-asses).
At this point, I almost don’t care WHO we draft for the front seven in this one – because no matter who I like the front office is going to make up it’s own mind. I just want to see them at least SWING at front seven with all of our early picks (except possibly trading back our #2 if anyone is willing – which is rare). At least then we have a shot. We need to swing on at least 2 D-linemen in the first 3 rounds and at least 1 Linebacker. I wouldn’t be terribly upset at a safety in the first three rounds as long as its an amazing guy who has somehow fell well beyond his projected placement. And we can even toss the late round picks at a couple high-motor/high-talent guys for the front seven that don’t have serious character questionmarks.
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And I'm talking about the pre-Ed Reed lineup that they had in the beginning of the season FYI.
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by Alexander Wall on Jan 9, 2011 11:50 PM MST up reply actions
Side note:
I really do NOT want to see us spend a draft pick (of any round) on a RB. It just seems like good runningbacks sometimes come out of the woodwork of free agency and do amazing things for the 2nd or 3rd team willing to take a shot on them. Hopefully we can address RB with a quality guy from FA, if not we can sign some promising young guy that didn’t pan out with another team… because EVENTUALLY one is going to end up being a solid contributor.
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by Alexander Wall on Jan 9, 2011 11:53 PM MST up reply actions
There's no doubt that a strong front seven will do wonders for a defensive backfield
If you look at the Steelers & Ravens, other than some freak Safeties, the rest of their secondary isn’t much to write home about (exluding Ike Taylor, but even he’s debatable as being good), but with a strong front seven, they get done regardless. It all starts up front and I’ve been a rabid proponent for drafting front seven, D-Line especially, for the last decade (the only one’s I’ve been happy with are Doom, DJ Williams, sometimes Marcus Thomas, and……chirp, chirp, chirp – crickets).
Even though I’m obsessed with drafting D, If we have a chance to grab another 2nd (or two), then I believe we have the luxury to draft a freak TE prospect like Kyle Rudolph (he’s a complete player at his position, and his skill/measurables scream of All-Pro).
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I think it all comes down to value
As much as I like to work on mock drafts, I feel like the Broncos are just going to go BPA at a place of need, which will be hard to predict because it would require predicting the majority of other team picks. I understand the desire to go D line, D line, D line, but there are so many holes to plug, one draft/FA will not build the right defense.
If we really are rebuilding, taking a 1st round TE like Rudolf in the 2nd round would be awesome for the team. It would fill an area of need with an elite prospect at a steal of a price. Sure, it might not be the largest need, but we will have at least two years of picks to find the right value for a position. Likewise, if we pick Fairley in the 1st, and another 1st round DT like Stephen Paea falls to the 2nd round, we have to take him (or trade out for profit). You don’t sacrifice value in order to fill needs.
What I think a good GM has to avoid is trying to fill needs with players who won’t fill them. I think that’s what you’re doing with the Herzlich pick in the 3rd round. Herzlich has not been the productive player he was before his cancer and I don’t think he projects well into the 3-4. Truth be told, there are not many good ILB in this year’s draft. We shouldn’t pick one in 2011 just to pick one because our LB corps is bad. We should instead spend a pick on another position, maybe a playmaking TE if we can get value. We can always pick up a ILB in 2012.
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the one pick I do disagree with is the first. I don’t think Fairley is gonna be a monster in the 3-4. He’s too inconsistent and makes mistakes. In a 4-3 that’s OK because it creates disruption going forward. But in a 3-4, those mistakes can be costly. Dareus is imo better for a 3-4 — but 3-4 end is simply NOT a position that is a #2 draft pick. The Ravens, Steelers, Jets have only 2 Pro-Bowlers among their 6 starting DE’s. It’s not as important as OLB or NT in the 3-4
And Peterson is not just a CB. He is also the best FS in the draft. He can – and should play all three positions here. And that allows us to rotate the veterans on and off the field so that they don’t get run into the ground. He is truly a one-stop shop for multiple
If we stay 3-4, he'd be my third choice
my big board would look like:
1. Patrick Peterson
2. Marcell Dareus
3. Robert Quinn
4. Stephen Paea
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I love me some peterson!
Our defensive backfield is almost ok when healthy but how many games (or parts of games the Goodie & Champ miss?) Oh yeah, how long is Champ signed for?
We must draft either a CB, safety or both.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2011 7:16 AM MST up reply actions
I'm counting on a quality defender in trade for KO (either a body or a pick)
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2011 7:17 AM MST up reply actions
twould be nice
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
would be nice
however, I believe without a new CBA, we can’t trade squat
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there will be a CBA soon
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by Whidbey Bronco on Jan 10, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Wha?
TE a non-vital position? I’m sure the 49ers are upset that they got the Pro Bowl TE over two mediocre QB’s…A year after drafting Alex Smith 1st overall, how stupid would it have been to take another QB??
I wouldn’t tough Jerrell Powe until the third round. Taking him with essentially an extended first round pick to me is a horrendous choice. I would love Fairley and Crick though, but this draft only addresses one area of our team right now…
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jan 10, 2011 7:31 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
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by The 3 Amigos on Jan 10, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
+ 15 Sayre
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by PaleHorse78 on Jan 10, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
There is no good reason to draft the entire D-line in one year
We do not need to fix everything in one year and we definitely won’t be able to. So FO needs to plan ahead and improve in steps. Going all-in on D-line in 2010 is creating too much risk by putting all eggs into one basket. It will strain our coaching and disrupt continuity. You just can not draft 3 new linemen and expect them all to grow into their new roles. Please remember that D-line is about the most difficult position for transition from college to NFL (other the QB, of course). Look how even the best D-line prospect often struggle and take years to mature. And now you want a whole D-line contingent of rookies? Normally, a rookie, especially if he is not 1st round talent, is rotated in on the D-line so he can pick up the game at the right pace and when surrounded by veterans. When you have 3 rookies, this kind of rotation breaks down. Either you can not put you rookies on the field enough, or you have downs when you field at least 2 rookies and at most 1 veteran. This is a recipe for a broken play, poor team result and frustration for the rookie players.
It is better to have a balanced contingent of rookies: in our case, some D-line, a LB and some others.
If we draft one offensive postion next year, it might have to be RT
Sounding more and more like Ryan Harris and going to walk and not get a new contract. I’m not sure what kind of RT’s are available in FA, so we may have to look to the draft. The team simply cannot go without addressing RT otherwise we’ll have to go back to Beadles at RT with Daniels or Hochstein at LG which was a pathetic lineup this year.
about time Mark Herzlich got some love
I’d rather pick him up than Greg Jones from Michigan State. Mark is 6’4 244, has the skill to play OLB or inside. Also his coverage skills are pretty good. I got him as one of my sleepers in this draft. If the broncos want a leader at LB, and a guy that will play his heart out every snap, than Mark is the guy. The only concern is the cancer, I don’t know too much about whether or not that’ll come back.
Also, I disagree with what you said about TE’s (specially since the broncos have a rookie QB), but I like this mock draft. The broncos will get bigger, faster (excpet the sumo wrestler in the second round), and stronger on defense. I still think the broncos can pick up JJ Watt at the start of the second round.
by tiderfootball09 on Jan 10, 2011 9:56 AM MST reply actions
Personally
I feel we are lacking 1 starter for a 3-4/4-3 in the trenches, and need some depth as well.
It always starts up front for the offense or the defense.
There are some good RB’s and TE’s we can get who are young and talented in the FA.
I like like the idea of stock piling the line.
We have Doom, Ayers, Bannan (who is a legit starter imo) and a stud rookie coming in, we’ll have a good line – just need solid depth, which we may already have.
We also have areas of other needs, possibly another linebacker and safety/corner.
I think we need to weight in heavily on the defensive side of the ball this draft, and like I said, it all starts up front!
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I really like it
The only thing i’m going to say is that Crick won’t be available by the 46th pick where as their is a chance Powe could be available come the third round. He’s been playing out of position (as a 3-tech) and has had a disappointing season causing him to drop down peoples draft boards but he is a prototypical 1-tech NT.
Since i like the ILB pick, i’d switch Crick with Powe and take Powe 46th overall.
Another idea i’ve been trying to push is picking Sione Fua in the 3rd. He’s small for a NT but like Paea has the strength and motor to play NT.
And now for something completely different
The TE's importance will come down to what coach we hire
And how he runs the offense. Some coaches use TE’s a lot, others use them mainly as blockers.
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