Tim Tebow Era: The Most Exciting Broncos Loss of the 2011 Season
by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:04 AM MDT
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PrintFor weeks, the chants to bench Orton and play Tebow have gotten louder and louder. During the same period of time, Kyle Orton's production has gotten worse and worse.
On Sunday, against the Chargers, the wheels fell off of the Broncos offense and Kyle Orton was given the hook during halftime. Under Kyle Orton, the Broncos offense scored just 3 points. In fact, at halftime, the Broncos defense had outscored the Broncos offense, due to a first quarter Cassius Vaughn interception for a touchdown.
In the second half, Tim Tebow took the reins and scored 2 touchdowns (1 rushing, 1 passing), something that Kyle Orton wasn't able to do in the first half. The Broncos were within a 2 point conversion of tying the game at 26, but Antoine Cason made a late play on the ball and was able to knock it out of the hands of Brandon Lloyd.
Ignoring the fact that the Broncos are 1-4 going into the bye, Broncos fans finally have something to hope for. Instead of groaning and booing after every Kyle Orton incompletion or interception, the Mile High Magic has returned. The cheers flooded Mile High as Tim Tebow drove ever closer to a miraculous comeback.
It was the most exciting Denver Broncos loss of the season. Taking the game as a whole, yes, it was a loss. However, taking each half into consideration, the Broncos lost 10-23 in the first half and won 14-6 in the second half. Can the second half success continue after the bye week? Time will tell.
One thing is for certain, though. Kyle Orton shouldn't be the starter, any more. After making the switch during halftime of the Chargers game, our bed is made. There's no going back.
Honestly, this is how it should be. Tim Tebow fighting for his job. If Tim Tebow is unsuccessful, we'll have to live with the consequences. The Broncos will likely draft a rookie quarterback early in the 2012 NFL Draft. If Tim Tebow is successful, he'll win games and play himself into the starting role. Either way, starting Tim Tebow for the remainder of this season is paramount. The Broncos need to find out what they have, for better or worse.
Was Tim Tebow the prototypical pocket passer against the Chargers? Absolutely, not. He struggled to pass the ball, for the most part, but was able to move the ball with his legs. A screen pass went for a touchdown and he made a pair of nice passes on the final drive of the game, but beyond that, he was as ineffective as Kyle Orton with his arm. That will need to change if he wishes to become the permanent starter. Although, the way he was able to move the ball, despite his struggles in the passing game, was still encouraging. He got the job done and put points on the board. In fact, ESPN's week 5 Total Quarterback Rating - whether you agree with the system's lack of transparency or not - ranks Orton 26th (last) and Tim Tebow 5th. In terms of moving the ball, I feel that the Total QBR does a pretty good job of telling the tale.
John Fox would not admit that Tebow is the starter during his post-game press conference, but I think the Broncos would be irresponsible to go back to an Orton led offense. Tebow may not be the next Peyton Manning, but we know for a fact that Kyle Orton isn't, either. The Broncos might as well continue to play Tebow, for better or worse. What's it going to hurt?
We're already 1-4.
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It shouldn't even be about the mancrush, at this point.
Yeah, he’s exciting, but it should (and will) be performance based.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Being excited about a loss will get old as well, even if the game was fun to watch.
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Right, which is why (for this game only), the game will be considered two halves.
From here on out, wins are necessary.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I totally disagree with this...
Winning is a mindset and a culture. Thats why we see draft picks from winning colleges tend to go to winning teams. They have already been exposed to what it MEANS to win. Green Bay and Pittsburgh tend to draft from performing colleges, for example.
Then, this young team needs to play together, and learn to TRUST each other and PLAY for each other, and then learn to WIN together.
OK, this might be a long post, but I will try and give you cliff notes.
There are 7 stages in the development of athletes that I like to use or are used by many coaches that develop athletes:
1/ Active start: A very young kid is given a football and learns to play with it, and starts gaining an interest in the sport.
2/ Fundamentals: That same kid is put into organized program like Pop Warner and starts to learn the fundamentals of the game.
3/ Learn to Play: As the kid gets older, they learn the strategy and concepts of the game and how the fundamentals pertain to that.
4/ Train to Train: The players start ascending into middle school and high school football and start learning the concepts of what it takes to make it to the next level. Training becomes more intensive and focused as a springboard as to what to expect in the coming years of their POTENTIAL careers.
5/ Train to Compete: Now that the players have the concepts of good training practices/ characteristics that will lead to elite performance, they start focusing on what it takes to be successful between the lines and introduced to concepts that allow them to win in the future.
6/ Learn to Win: Now that the players no how to compete at an elite level, the focus goes from acquiring the necessary physical and psychological skills needed to compete to starting to be results based driven and they start to gain the knowledge needed to WIN in the sport.
7/ Train to Win: Think where the Green Bay Packers and New England Patriots are, or elite players like Rodgers, Manning and Brady. The players and team now have all the necessary skills to be the best in their field, and the singular driving force is for wins.
Once the players graduate from College to NFL, they will need to take a step back, maybe 2 steps back, in their development.
Consider Tim Tebow. With Florida, he was in the TRAIN TO WIN stage. That was Florida’s whole focus. They had a successful system, were drafting the cream of the crop form high school, and had a coaching staff that was elite in what they were doing to.
Now Tebow is in a different part of his development phase. He is probably graduating from the train to compete, into the train to win stage.
Now, relate this to the whole team, and that is realistically where our whole team is. The good news is that some of the key parts we wish to build around have come from WINNING cultures in college, so they only need to get comfortable in their new environment, and get their physical and psychological skills up to a NFL level to continue to grow.
This is why I always use the Green Bay Packers as the perfect example of how to DEVELOP a team LONG TERM. You have all heard me say this multiple times, but the year that Rodgers started the team went 6-10, but lost 7 of those games by a combined 21 points. This team was Training to WIn, and those close losses were actually the catalyst for ELITE performance the year after, where the Packers became a player in the NFL. They used those COMPETITIVE FAILURES as a development tool to spring board the team into a TRAIN TO WIN phase. The team was a young team, with some key veterans that were used as mentors both from a skills acquisition and winning culture stand point.
This is what EFX is trying, and I am confident, will create in Denver. We have young guys in KEY POSITIONS from winning cultures, with a great mix of veterans who can mentor the young guys and be the rudder to steady the ship.
If EFX is smart, they wont be judging our young team and players based on wins and losses, but whether they take the leap from the TRAIN TO COMPETE stage into the LEARN TO WIN stage.
Fans, we all need to be patient. The team is moving in the right direction, and I urge all of us to look at the DEVELOPMENT of this young squad, rather than the Win and Loss Column.
Foxy...you are officially on the hot seat!
Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!
by boydy2669 on Oct 10, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 10 recs
Nice Boydy
I’ve seen this in application and it’s spot on. Just have to hope that EFX are in agreement.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
This would be the same EFX
That all of a sudden you are confident in would t Boydy? The ones you wanted run out of town last week?
I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet
by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 11, 2011 4:08 AM MDT up reply actions
True
but the way he played and the team played that 2nd half. A full game of that can and will produce wins
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
But at some point Tebow will have to improve his passing game. He’s not going to be able to run the ball all the time and still be effective. That being said the team is in rebuild mode and he should be the starter.
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Getting all the practice reps and the full attention of the coaching staff and franchise will help Tim Tebow.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
by McGeorge on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 9 recs
Shure as $hit can't hurt.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I want Tebow in the film room all day
have Peyton Manning-esque zeal for watching film
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
No me. I want Tebow on the field with the 1st string taking hundreds of snaps from Walton and throwing hundreds of passes to Decker, Lloyd, J Thomas and Royal.
He doesn’t need film, he needs to be on the field.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
there are benefits to both
but definitely he needs repetition, I just hope he becomes all we could have hoped, regardless of shortcomings he may currently possess
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
People seem to forget that Tebow has gotten almost no reps
with the 1st team offense this year. He was rusty throwing the ball out there because he doesn’t get a lot of snaps in practice with the 1st team. The coaches need to give him all the 1st team reps the next two weeks so he can work out the rust.
Also yesterday Tebows Receivers were not doing him any favors. They were not getting open and they were not coming back to the ball when he scrambled
by KraigK on Oct 10, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
This all comes down to Tebow doing good in practice.
I know most will disagree with me, but IMO part of being a good or even a great QB comes from their work with the WRs and get the timing down in practice. Something Tebow has not looked good at doing and must improve to get better.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Practice is overrated.
Orton looks like a top 5 QB in practice but when he gets in the game he is one of the worst QBs in football
practice can't be ignored though
hard to game plan if your guy can’t do what he asked to do when on the clock, which practice is, whether you like it or not
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Fact is Tebow produces points in the game
while Orton produces points in practice. I will take points in the game.
by KraigK on Oct 10, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tebow also has problems taking the snap from center, something that can be worked on at practice.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I expected a few bad snaps yesterday
Tebow has not worked with Walton this season much. It takes multiple snaps for a QB and Center to get on the same page when it come to snaps IMO.
Yeah it's not like the fans weren't cheering him on............oh wait.
Practice is not over rated and you’re wrong. Tebow has to start doing well in practice or he will never become the QB you guys are hoping for.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
God go back to the KC blog with that Trash
Just like the trash earlier where you were comparing Stanzi to Tebow lol
I just said Stanzi is more NFL ready, and he is.
Stanzi is a Rookie but he doesn’t have to work on taking snaps from the center because he did it in college on a regular basis. Stanzi can move in the pocket while looking for other options and not think about running until he has too. Tebow is a 1st round pick that’s been in the league for 1 year yet he still has to work on those things to improve.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Stanzi can also throw a pick 6 while scrambling to his left
And throwing off his back foot, and can take a hit very well (See last years Iowa vs Arizona game)
Get well soon Juan.
Oh, and he has already learned to choke within the stretch of a season.
I’m so happy KC drafted him so I don’t feel bad about hating him anymore.
Get well soon Juan.
Yeah he also threw 5 pick in this game but kept his shit together and did this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgWVtQKMpyk
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Woo Go America
Stanzi still sucks. I didn’t like him then, good luck continuing with your decade of mediocrity.
Get well soon Juan.
didn't he win a bowl game for you guys his last year as a starter?
So you don’t like him and never did, I’m sure your biased opinion of him is something i should take to heart, but thanks anyways.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
I have always enjoyed schadenfreude when the Chiefs have had problems in the past
And I will enjoy it again when Stanzi shows you all he isn’t the next Tom Brady.
Get well soon Juan.
LOL
T.Brady is a one in a million QB I’m sure as hell not setting my expectations of him that high.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm with CPT.Caveman on this one.
Tebow has to do better in practice or he will not ever become a great QB in this league. That is fact.
I think Tebow is getting better in practice than he was in TC...
or he would not have gotten playing time over Brady Quinn yesterday.
Tebow does have a long ways to go though…denying this fact is just blinding you to reality.
yeah,
i’m guessing too, that the orton trade falling through put tebow in a dark place mentally for a week or two at the beginning of camp. i’m sure he’ll show progress now as long as no one’s looking for him to be joe montana. … um, he’s not. just to be clear.
Yeah he has the scrambling part down:P
But with work he could very well be a S.Young clone.
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Rich Gannon has a sick mind
he said our practice last Friday featured lots of slippery balls, for what it’s worth, Tebow will make things better!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
From what i hear Tebow balls haven't been slippery yet:P
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That's all good, but just imagine how much he can improve with a year on the bench learning.
He can improve too, just like Tebow but has less to work on.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Stanzi can't hold Tebows Jockstrap
Stanzi sucked in college and is a back up at best in the NFL
You're right I'd be expecting too much from probably the best college QB ever and a first round pick with one year in the league to be able to take snaps from under center what am i thinking.
It completely sucks that we have a 5th rounder that can straight from college, who can work on more important things like making reads and learning the playbook.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Again,
good luck with your Ricky Stanzi. It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that he is the player you think he is. How can you expect us to buy into that if you obviously barely even believe it yourself?
I just said i hope he just said i hope he gets a chance.
With some hard work and good coaching he could be a pretty good QB. You guys turned this into a pissin’ contest not me.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Lol
same old stuff from you. You come here raggin’ on our guys and then get butthurt when the replies aren’t to your liking (well, duh!) I’m just going back to skipping over your comments.
Does the truth hurt?
All I’ve said in here is the truth, Tebow has alot of work to do to improve and he’s had time to make those improvements, yet he still has to work on simple things like taking a snap from under center. That’s not raggin’ that’s a fact, and who butthurt because it sure ain’t me. So you guys think Stanzi will suck, that’s no shocker too me but the fact that he can improve over the next year and at this point do more things that a NFL QB is asked to do than Tebow is the truth as well. I’m not saying he’ll be a better QB than Tebow at this point but he has less to work on.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
It's funny
Because the butthurt comments seem to come when anyone questions Tebow or has something negative to say about him.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Really?
What do you expect when you are on a Broncos blog. And your definition of butt hurt is pretty skewed. I haven’t defended Tebow at all. I’m just talking about how Ricky Stanzi is a bad Quarterback. He showed promise, but sucked his Senior year.
I’m surprised he was drafted at all, but I couldn’t wish him on any other team than say Oakland.
Get well soon Juan.
All I expect is a honest opinion, that's it.
Bronco territory or not you’ll get that from me.
Now to my comment above which was for Grind not you, thanks for your opinion.
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Opinions are like...
everybody has one. You are welcome to come to broncosforums.com and make fun of the raiders with us.
Get well soon Juan.
It comes with the territory.
Tebow has his chance…he will either pass or fail. He will either seize the moment or wither.
Orton has already had his chance and withered. Time to find out if we need to draft a QB in 2012.
Agreed
Orton knew this season was it and he had to play lights out, he failed. How much this Tebow controversy and the fans had to do with it we’ll never completely know. Anyways it’s Tebow show from here on out and he has work to do to become a complete QB. If he works at it like he plays the game of football he’ll be bad news for the league for years to come.
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I think Orton decimated his career
he showed he isn’t mentally tough enough to meet adversity when it really strikes. Aaron Rodgers would not have been fazed by people calling for Tebow, nor Peyton, nor Brees, you get what I’m saying
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Very good point sir
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Thanks!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly
And I’m actually siding with CPT here. I’ve read all the comments and all he said was that Tebow needs to do better in practice, needs to be a better passer, and needs to learn to take snaps from the center.
ALL OF THIS IS TRUE
1) If he did better in practice, we wouldn’t have suffered through Orton for 4.5 weeks. He would have won the job outright.
2) If he were a better passer he wouldn’t have skipped several passes yesterday.
3) If he didn’t need to work under center, he wouldn’t have messed up the exchange with Walton twice yesterday.
I love Tim, HE gives us a better chance at winning. He makes plays when there aren’t any to be made. But until he makes improvements in his game and proves he can be a pro quarterback, he won’t be a complete QB. Even Elway has said this. Not being critical of Tim, just being truthful, and so was Caveman.
Also he will start doing better in practice
when he is taking all the reps with the 1st ream offense. Its hard to look good when you are playing with 2nd team players that are horrible and going against the 1st Team D in practice
Well that shouldn't make a difference when you're as good as Tebow is right.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
What did you expect, I mean he is a self professed caveman after all.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
You know the point I'm trying to make.
Everyone says Tebow is so great, then makes excuses for him. Why not say yeah he has work to do, instead of “but he didn’t get to work with the firsts in practice”.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
The report is that Orton and the whole team stunk at practice
On Friday. There are just a lot of issues.
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I actually thought the defense played pretty good considering all the new faces.
Anytime you make the Chargers kick that many FGs you’ve done a pretty good job, but you have to be able to score with them.
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unfortunately we couldnt do that anytime during the 1st half
then again, if we could, Tebow wouldnt have come out the 2nd half either
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my hope
is that Fox makes gameplans built mostly around Tebow’s strengths (running, play-action, screens, deep throws) and add small layers of everything else as the season goes along. Tebow has made every throw out there at some point, but has not done so consistently. Let him build momentum with his bread and butter, then incorporate some of what he needs to get better at.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
by boanst on Oct 10, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
In fact, not.
Because if we divide the game in two moments: pre-Tebow and post-Tebow, we lost without and won with him receveiving the snaps.
So the game became fun to watch, and I consider a half win… However, for a while, it doesn’t matter. I just want to see what Timmy can or can’t do on the field. And if I’ll support a QB drafted early in 2012 or not.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 10, 2011 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Everything is performance based, as long as you give Tim the same amount of fames given to JE before he produced
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Tebow should start, Orton should be dealt to Miami and Quinn should be resigned
if we get a high draft pick next year it should be CB or DT
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
or RB on the 2nd round
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 10, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Teboner
but seriously, start this guy from the first week of the preseason we would be 4-1 and leading the AFC west.
I think we make it to at least 8-8 now. I’m drunk on the kool-aid once again, this time it’s spiked with a little tebow
You are drunk sir.
6-10 at best, but we’re finally heading in the right direction – rather than spinning our wheels.
by Tim Lynch on Oct 10, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know man
2 games against the chiefs, i against miami and minnesota. Chicago is beatable, We almost beat the raiders with Orton, San Diego is beatable. I can’t put my head around buffalo, we beat them around in the preseason. We always play tough against New England.
The lions game scares me though. I remember the last time we played them…
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree with TL
Before the season, I thought we would have a 10-6, but a 9-7 would be more coherent. My realistic prediction and expectation were .500.
However, after the start, if nothing was changed we could easily go a 3-13… Now, with 2T, I can say a 5-11 as realistic… but I think we will repeat the awful 4-12, paying the price of starting Kyle since the season opener.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 10, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
@ Miami....the Broncos have NEVER won @Miami. Never.
Not even in 1998 when the Broncos were 13-1. Are you saying this Broncos team can do something the 1998 Broncos weren’t even able to do?
Um, yeah
Because the 2011 Broncos are not playing the 1998 Dolphins. What’s happened in the past, especially the distant past, has zero to do with what will happen in any present-day game.
Besides the fact that any team can win any one game, there’s also the fact that the Dolphins’ QB is out for the season and now Matt Moore is at the helm. Matt Moore… a guy who may actually be WORST than Kyle Orton!
Um, yeah, I think the Broncos can beat Miami.
by Joe Como on Oct 10, 2011 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
That should be "WORSE"
I hate it when I misspell words I’ve capitalized! :)
That's just creepy, TL
Except that a whooole bunch of Miami seats wil secretly cheer for Tebow. lol
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
The way they're honoring Tebow at that game, it might actually turn into a home game for us
like that sickening MNF game vs the steelers two years ago…God I hate the Steelers
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by Calikula on Oct 10, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No I would say getting stomped by SD 32-3 2 weeks later is what broke that Camels back
we were at least somewhat competitive for part of that game
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It wouldn't surprise me
if we’re still a 4-12 team, but with TT I’ll believe that we have a chance in every game. As to the question of going back to KO next week? Noooooooooooooooooo, we must never go back.
Go Orton! Please go anywhere, just go.
Tim Tebow should have been starting since the middle of last year.
by NativeFan4Life on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Horse Tracks, the Tim Tebow Edition:
http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/10/10/2480718/denver-broncos-news-horse-tracks-10-10-11
For those of you with a serious mancrush.
Zane Beadles...
“Kyle’s our guy,” Broncos left guard Zane Beadles said. “And he’s a good friend. Going through something like that is hard. But we all have a job to do, and our job is to protect the quarterback. Whoever they put back there at quarterback, we’re going to protect him.”
by Tim Lynch on Oct 10, 2011 8:17 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Beadles has to realize, the NFL is a business
it’s not about who’s your friend. He might be leaving with Orton next year anyways
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Beadles and Business
Beadles has to realize, the NFL is a business
it’s not about who’s your friend. He might be leaving with Orton next year anyways
That’s a comment without any thought. Of course Beadles understands that the NFL is a business. He has to stay in sink with the team so there are politics to every comment. At least when the smarter players speak, they think first, which Beadles does. He’s also friends with Tebow. They got to know each other as rookies. But Orton has been the starter since Beadles came to Denver, and he may remain the starter—no one knows.
Beadles won’t be leaving next year or on the bench. But Orton may be traded.
Walton
is the only OLinemen that we could be looking to replace (although I think he is getting better). Beadles is growing into his spot and the OLine is looking pretty damn good.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Beadles also needs to realize
That he’s the weakest link on that Oline right now and having a QB who can get out of the way of one of his missed blocks is a good thing.
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by asinsoin on Oct 10, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
true
he can’t block very well…doesn’t bode well when your an O lineman
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I would tend to agree
I am not sure who elected Beadles as the leader of the O-line, the guy is a marginal player at best, I think they should examine that old Broncos O-line policy of not talking to the media.
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My OG best friends
are Mark Schlereth and Keith Bishop. So hey Zane, since I have other best friends and I’m supporting you, support Timmy instead of your best friend and that’s all =)
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 10, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Beadles needs to realize
he is the most replaceable player on the Oline right now and personally I would not be surprised if we draft another LG next year
Zane Beadles
is a good person as most ex-Utah Utes are, but I’m with Scotty, it’s a business, I work for my dad, but if I don’t produce, he’ll show some tough love
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I miss the days when the Offensive Line Refused to talk to anyone in the media.
It's Jim Tracy's Fault.
This says it all:
Instead of groaning and booing after every Kyle Orton incompletion or interception, the Mile High Magic has returned. The cheers flooded Mile High as Tim Tebow drove ever closer to a miraculous comeback.
Everything I want to say in two sentences right here. Thanks Troy!!!
by Tim Lynch on Oct 10, 2011 8:18 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Any time. The Zane Beadles quote is definitely interesting. Thanks for that!
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I loved it. The stadium was alive
i havent had this much fun watching a Broncos game in a long time. Last few year’s it’s been depressing and when the game was close i had this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach
Yesterday i was jumping up and down, i was so pumped. The team was pumped, everyone got the tebow effect
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope Foz doesnt wait tell next week to declare a starter
I don’t think I could handle two weeks of everyone in the world guessing.
by goosepitts on Oct 10, 2011 8:20 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Reports are he will tomorrow
and he basically named him starter yesterday. You dont bench your starter for someone else and just switch him. Sure it’s happened before, but that just starts a mess. Once you start Tebow, he’s your guy.
Plus the fans would riot
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Oct 10, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions 9 recs
Nice.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I wonder how much of Orton’s 2011 contract is guaranteed. If the full thing, then he is set to ride pine for the rest of the year. If not, I would not be surprised to see Denver cut him this week.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
I don't think so, Tim
He has plenty of money to receive sitting on the bench. So why move to Miami for a new short contract?
On the other side, Miami didn’t want his full contract before and will not want it now, if they can wait a few more months and “gets him free with a restructured contract”. And also they are must thinking “waiting for Kyle could mean good Luck”.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 10, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
When we go to Miami in a few weeks, let's just drop him off...
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol. here’s your duffle bag and a sack lunch. write us!
by oxmouth on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha, this.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Doubt Miami (or anyone else) will trade for him now
Not because of performance but because of contract considerations – you don’t trade an asset for Kyle Orton unless you intend to re-sign him to a long term deal. Doubt he’s in Miami’s future plans beyond this year.
I doubt Orton’s agent can broker him a deal to be a starter anywhere after the way he’s been stinking up the joint. Maybe he can move in and be BFFs with Merrill Hoge, who seems to be the only dipstick left on his bandwagon.
trade
the only problem i see with trading orton is based on his performance this year, who would want him? he’s still going to want a long term deal and he’s living in a fantasy if he thinks anyone is going to commit.
Yeah Orton sucks.
Sometimes getting what you wish for bites you in the a$$ in the end.
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Knowing how Fox sticks with his Vet QBs i wouldn't be shocked to see Orton starting again.
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No Andrew Luck for you guys!
I don’t think I’ve ever rooted so hard for KC in my life. Good win, but more of a loss really.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
Hey I don't want that dude anyways.
Getting Luck just means 2 more years of waiting and hoping for the best. I think we already have our future QB on the roster and it’s not Cassel.
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Yes. Stanzi > Luck. I guess its not crazier than me saying Tebow > Luck
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Really it comes down to the fact that Stanzi will have a year under his belt learning the play book.
I don’t like wasting pick even 5th rounders, and i hope that he would get a chance or even get the starting job if the season is lost to see what he has or if we need to draft someone in 2012. So more or less I’m in the same boat as you guys were with Tebow, I’m not comparing QBs I’m comparing the situation. Cassel is not our QB of the future, and we would have to completely suck to get a shot at Luck, and to be honest with you I’m tired of watching a shitty football team, especially one with this much talent on offense that continues to fail.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 11, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
and to be honest with you I’m tired of watching a shitty football team, especially one with this much talent on offense that continues to fail.
A lot of us share your pain there
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"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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But don't get me wrong here, I'd take Luck or at least try and get some fool to give me all the picks it would take to trade up for him:P
That would be a very tough decision, but a nice situation to be in. It’s tough being the fan of a team like the Chiefs who year after year get someones back-up QB and hope he can do enough to get the team to the S.B. At this point i would be happy with a young QB that we picked in the draft, but then you have to think about the way the FA market is today and how many years can we keep a core of good players. IMO the Chiefs have about 3 to 4 years before we have to draft too replace several key players on both sides of the ball, and we could lose a few next year. I just wish the league would do something too reward the players who stay with the team that picked them in the draft.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 11, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
In a strange way we've got the same situation going at QB.
The Bronco fans want Tebow, who seems to be the future there, yet Orton has a way of looking good stats wise to make the coaching staff think twice about the change. The Chiefs fans have Cassel who at times looks great, but we all know he isn’t the future, and some would like to see Stanzi.
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Luck looks to be Peyton Manning with John Elway athleticism
i dont mean to sound rude, but i’d rather wait 2 years on Luck, then stick with Cassel who reminds me alot of Orton.
I hope Luck end’s up in Miami
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 8:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I want Stanzi, Scotty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4×2UUWgv1NQ
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You can have him.
I rooted for Stanzi as an Iowa fan. The kid is a bum. I felt like he was the College version of Jay Cutler with less athletic ability.
Get well soon Juan.
I think he'll do fine learning under Cassel who has a great work ethic and with the right QB coach and hard work he could be a damn good QB.
Iowa fans opinions don’t count:P
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Same with Florida fans
However, I wouldn’t get your expectations too high on Stanzi. Or then again, go for it. I’d hate to see that 7 playoff game loss streak end
Get well soon Juan.
I thought that too McGeorge
release him because he doesn’t support Tebow like everyone else does. When we were trying to get the ball back from the Chargers after the failed 2-point conversion, Tebow was up waving his arms in support, where was Orton?
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Intentionally spilling some milk somewheres
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John Bena made an interesting observation to me last night.
When Fox benched Rodney Peete for Jake Delhomne, he never looked back.
by Tim Lynch on Oct 10, 2011 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Andrew Mason was in Carolina for a long time and he said the same thing. Once Fox makes a decision, he rarely changes it.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
I said that above.
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haha, so we're ALL saying the same thing. This hardly seems like a disagreement. :)
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I disagree with that comment:P
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hahaha
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions
If it's disagreement you want, I can change my screen name to Hoop or Rocko and start spewing out Orton stats.
You know, just for old time sakes. :p
Life's too short for bad tone!
The point is:
Did Fox made a game decision based on the discouragement Kyle’s face or a season decision based to know what can or can’t Tebow do for the Broncos?
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 10, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
A 6 for 13, one INT for 34 total yards and 3 measly points QB performance in a must win game.
Orton benched himself. That is a fact.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
by McGeorge on Oct 10, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
no one to blame but himself
he had more chances to excel in the NFL than Lawrence Phillips! To his credit, he didn’t try to run over kids in his car http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2140010
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions
When Fox is committed
he’s all-in, he just takes his time evaluating things as a good coach should!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Um,,,,,NOT
. Last season in Carolina he played four quarterbacks — Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Brian St. Pierre and Tony Pike. He had four starters in 2007, three in 2002 and two in two other seasons. However, Jake Delhomme started the majority of the games in six seasons.
Fox has shown a willingness to dump a struggling QB. In 2010 Moore beat out his prized rookie Jimmy Clausen, to start the season. But after Moore suffered a concussion and four interceptions and a fumble, Clausen took over. However, when Clausen struggled for three games, Moore was named starter again.
In a game against the Saints, Moore was hurt again. Clausen went in, played poorly and was yanked for yet another rookie, Pike.
The Panthers signed journeyman backup St. Pierre, who started one game -and stunk. Clausen played the final six games.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
totally agree
The writing is on the wall I just hope he doesn’t drag out saying it to bronco nation
by goosepitts on Oct 10, 2011 8:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
There’s no going back.
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 10, 2011 8:31 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
There is no reason TO go back.
That shouldn’t be lost on anyone.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
by McGeorge on Oct 10, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Practice perfection ;o/
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I'm not a fan nor do I even like Tebow but i understand why you guys want him starting.
It’s not because he makes the best decisions or has a pretty throwing motion, it’s because he has heart and he doesn’t like to lose. For those same reasons i would like to see R.Stanzi get ashot at being our future QB even if it’s next year. He’s a leader and he brings excitement to the game, and that something Cassel has been lacking. I want to see my QB show some emotion and get pissed off when something bad happens, Cassel like Orton just seem to accept it.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 8:53 AM MDT reply actions 8 recs
You would have gotten a rec if it weren't for you trying to compare Tebow to Stanzi. lol
Good points, nonetheless.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Really IMO Stanzi is more Pro ready than Tebow, but that's just my opinion.
Stanzi played in a pro-style offense at Iowa and Stanzi can take snaps from under center. The only thing Tebow has on him is his running ability.
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Yes really
Should we break it down or does Tebows ability to run out way ever other thing a true NFL QB should be able to do?
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heh
well this will be fairly difficult seeing as Stanzi has yet to take an NFL snap, right?
i keep dancing on my own.
A screen pass
You’re right he’s the greatest thing to hit the market since spreadable butter.
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I knew you would say that.
So predictable lol
And I’m glad you agree that I’m right. I’m also REALLY glad that he’s a Bronco. How about you ;)
LOL
I’m not say Tebow sucks Grind but he does have alot of things to work on and he’s been in the league for 1 year now. Tebow still has a hard time taking a snap from under center dude, something a 1st round pick QB shouldn’t have to work on IMO, especially after a year on the roster and there’s no excuse for it.
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Romo seemed to have a mess of a time getting snaps from the shotgun a few weeks ago. Obviously he’s not ready for the NFL game.
Romo= Orton
You can have him if you like, I wouldn’t want that dude he will always fail in the end, that’s just how he is.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 11, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not a butter fan
I like jam better!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
Stanzi more pro-ready than Tebow is funny. If by pro-ready you mean he’s better equipped to drop back and throw awful interceptions then yep, he’s got Tebow beat.
This whole “well he ran a spread” stuff is so overrated. See the early success of Newton and Dalton this year – two guys who ran spreads in college and rarely took a snap from center.
FYI – know who else rarely takes snaps from center? Tom Brady.
You'll get to see what I'm talking about the rest or the year, and trust me you'll as get to see some terrible INT throws by Tebow.
FYI- to have a better running game your QB needs to take snaps from under center, just how many different run plays can you come up with out of the shot-gun formation? Unless your going to be happy with a QB that leads his team in rushing every week, which I’m assuming your completely happy with.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 11, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I was comparing the situation not the QBs
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Cpt.,
I have been looking for you. I won’t let this post devolve into something bad. I just want to see if you will admit that I was more right than you were regarding the possibly that McDaniels 2010 = Haley 2011.
I like Haley and no.
I’ll admit the loss of Weis was great than i believed it to be. I’ll admit that the easy schedule made us look like a better team than i thought we were, but that’s about it.
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The Gators thank you.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Haley sucks and so do the Chiefs
Chalk up two wins for my Broncos
At least Cassel stepped up and played well when he had to…cough Orton cough
Yeah but right now you guys suck worse:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 11, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Dude you are a caveman
Stanzi fing blows. I am a huge Iowa fan and Rick Stanzi sucks beyond any repair. He is really bad like horrible like Kyle Orton is 5 times better than Stanzi
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Like really
Yeah i know he’s not on your team so he sucks………..anyways back to reality bye, bye now.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 10, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Merril Hoge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merril_Hoge, in other words a douche
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
A no name player who never did anything in the NFL and now
criticizes other NFL players for his own failures.
This sums up Merylin Hoe
question
has anyone heard if Tebow was told or given notice that he might go in yesterday? just wondering if he had time to prepare?
Its a backup's job to be prepared.
You assume every game your number could be called.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
the films show him telling reporters that he learned from McCoy as he was going into the tunnel.
McCoy………not Fox. What’s with that?
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
being cynical
i was worried that no one told him as to set him up for failure. i know you should always be ready but you know what i mean. im an optimist but this whole tebow/orton thing has me questioning things like this now!
I know what you say.
YOU know what you mean. I think you’re over rationalizing this. Ortin played his way off the field so they called up 15. Simple as that.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:20 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I know Brady Quinn
is not the answer, Fox didn’t even think about putting him in
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I couldn't believe how the whole team rallied when Tebow was leading the team.
The D seemed to play harder and so did the O.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 10, 2011 9:25 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
What happened to Tebow's weak arm?
That last pass was 40 yards on a rope while throwing off balance and rolling out to his right. Not an easy throw. Good chance if Willis isn’t shoved out of the back of the endzone he makes that catch. Timmy will start to step into his throws and we will see a different QB.
Life's too short for bad tone!
by Teleman on Oct 10, 2011 9:25 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Nobody said he had a weak arm.
They said he was inaccurate. That hasn’t changed.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
67% completions in college
And at least a accurate as Orton in the preseason. Don’t remember the exact number. He’s accurate enough to get the job done.
by gator'n'mempho on Oct 10, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
This isn't college.
And he’ll be asked to pass much, much more than he did at that level. You’re good enough to get the job done when you win, not when you’re “exciting”
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by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Throwing to Percy Harvin, Louis Murphy, David Nelson and Aaron Hernandez vs. college defenses isn’t exactly a true test of accuracy.
i keep dancing on my own.
That's all I'm saying.
Just pace yourself on the Kool Aid, folks.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
When I looked at the 2-deep for that Florida team I was shocked at the amount of talent there. The o-line had also had 3 current NFL starters and a guy who bounced around in the NFL and I believe is on the Rams’ roster.
i keep dancing on my own.
Carlos Dunlap
was a defender on that team as well, I know the Bengals really like him!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Big deal
People around here think we should draft guys like Luck, Barkley or Jones. Jones has 3 NFL level WRs he is throwing to and Matt Barkley has NFL level people to throw to also. Luck is playing behind the best Oline in the country. Stanfords oline will have 2 1st round picks this year and the rest of the players on that line are draftable.
This is a hogwash excuse from a hater
Also Tebow put up those stats against SEC level defenses
and that is as close as you can get to the NFL at the college level. The three top QBs this year are Luck, Barkley and Jones. Luck and Barkley play in the Pac 12 and Pac 12 defenses are a joke and the level of defenses Jones plays against are not much better.
by KraigK on Oct 10, 2011 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
here ya go
SEC QB A:
Comp- Att: 222–313
Pct 70.9
Yards 2,987
TD 20
Int. 5
YPA: 9.5
SEC QB B:
Att.-Comp: 213-304
PCT: 70.1
Yards: 2895
TD: 21
INT: 5
YPA: 9
Care to take a guess? College stats mean basically jack.
i keep dancing on my own.
I guess I am missing the point
I just don’t think Tebow’s college stats demonstrate beyond argument that he is accurate enough to be a good NFL QB. What is the point again?
i keep dancing on my own.
If you use that excuse with Tebow then I can
use it with every other College QB going into the NFL which includes the Top 3 guys coming out this year
?
Stats matter, but a high completion percentage in college does not mean you are accurate. For example, Luck is a lot more accurate than Ryan Tannehill even though they have similar completion percentages vs. similar competition.
i keep dancing on my own.
I think Tebow will just wing it until the game slows down more for him. We’ll just have to take the good with the bad. I am of the belief that there will be more good, however. His accuracy is an issue. It’s one that hopefully can be improved upon with time. It’s his ability as a play-maker that has everyone excited.
Obviously, being able to run and just sort of make things up as you go is a huge advantage. It makes it very difficult to game plan against. For me, it’s not all about his college stats, although they are hard to argue against. He was the same winning, play-making QB then that he is now. And that bodes very well for us going forward. Throw out the prototypes, archetypes, and whatever other -types there are. For better or for worse, those rules do not apply to Tebow.
by grind_core on Oct 10, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks.
This has been my perception since day one. I try really hard to not be an “I told you so” kinda guy, but there are a few people here that I’d have zero problems with rubbing their respective noses in it. I’m just glad that we are finally going to get to see what the kid can do. It’s absolutely the right thing to do.
Perfect.
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Stats matter more than anything
/s/ Kyle Orton’s TD/INT ratio, I am a statistician myself but no, they don’t tell the whole story
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
they have similar completion percentages vs. similar competition.
What? I’m sorry, and since I’m not a college football aficionado I’d be willing to be convinced others, but the Stanford Cardinals have a cake schedule compared to the Aggies. The Aggies have already played 2 top 10 NCAA teams and still have 3 more ranked teams to go.
Stanford has played…. Arizona? They have 2 ranked matchups this season… and that’s me being generous to consider USC as a ranked team.
Without a serious schedule and normal playoff bracket, how can this team hope to play for a national championship and how can you possibly consider Luck as a Heismann contender when teams like Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Oregon, LSU, and Alabama have much tougher schedules.
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
haha
you’re right though I think you inadvertantly strengthened my point wrt these guys as NFL prospects.
i keep dancing on my own.
Totally agree that you can't know about a players NFL success in college
Too many busts of “sure things” to make that case. But Luck is considered by many, right now, as close to a guarantee as I’ve ever seen a prospect and he’s having a great year against pretty crappy teams. I mean, 3 TD’s and 375 yards against Colorado? Sorry, but that doesn’t really impress me at all.
What Tebow does have going for him is that he played in the SEC, consistently against some of the best competition in all of college football, and still only lost, what, 6 total games? I’d have much more respect for a Luck type if he played in the SEC than in the PAC-10, a much weaker conference.
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Tulogit to quit.
by BroncoPH on Oct 10, 2011 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
same with someone like Robert Griffin
because the types of throws you are making matters a lot. Luck is making more intermediate throws in tighter windows than Tebow did in college, which is why he is the consensus #1.
i keep dancing on my own.
Here's a better one
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html
Six SEC quarterbacks with varying levels of success in the pros. Spoiler, but Tebow is clearly on top. The other five were #1 picks.
Am I reading the column right? He likes YPA, so his ranking would go:
Tebow
Russell
Manning
Stafford
Manning
Couch
It seems sort of weird to act like a metric that thinks JaMarcus Russell is a better prospect than Peyton or Stafford should prove anything.
i keep dancing on my own.
Okay, you aren't being serious
1) Russell flopped because he never cared even to stop gaining weight and stop drinking Robotussin.
2) Tebow is on top in all statistical categories, yet you focus on one exclusively.
I just think overreliance on college QB stats without context is not going to get us anywhere. At any rate, I hope Tebow does well. I also think that his performance yesterday showed that his accuracy is an issue at the NFL level. Endless citing of a 70% cmp from college doesn’t change that. I do think (and hope) he will improve this throughout the season, and am willing to give him every chance.
i keep dancing on my own.
Fair enough
Folks like me see a good young QB who just needs some more reps with the first team. You view him (I think) as a young QB still learning the basics of NFL throwing.
The truth probably falls somewhere in the middle. We shall see!
Was it Robotussin or
Dimetapp?
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Sippin on some sizzurp
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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And if you added Greg McElroy, my “SEC QB A,” he would clock in above Russell with 8.6 YPA for his career. Figures don’t lie but liars can figure n all that.
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Well
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
No he jut did that agains the great Sam Bradford and the OK Sooners
it wasn’t only SEC
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I've always thought this was kind of a strange argument
Does the WR make the QB great? Or does the QB make the WR great? And how do you prove it one way or the other?
Harvin was great when he had Favre throwing to him and when he wasn’t injured. Now? We know the talent is there, but who’s throwing to him?
Louis Murphy, love that guy, but with Campbell throwing his way he’s been a college has been so far.
Aaron Hernandez is stud that’s getting passes from Brady. Apparently anybody other than Ochocinco is a stud in Brady’s offense.
So who made who great? Or is it just as ridiculous for me to suggest that Tebow set these guys up for the NFL more than they set him up?
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
I don’t think the point is so much to say Tebow doesn’t deserve credit for his college accomplishments. He clearly achieved a lot at Florida, and football is a team game. But when you have that kind of talent discrepancy on the perimeter, as a QB you’re not asked to do things that are as hard as an NFL QB has to do. And I realize this applies to a lot of QBs from big college programs.
i keep dancing on my own.
Yes, we do.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
No Ive heard the weak arm comment before
among other bs
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Absolutely
It was common knowledge leading up to the draft that Tebow had a “below average” arm.
This confirmed my suspicions that the TV analysts didn’t know what they were talking about.
I think "the QB of the future is not on the roster" is in that same category.
It’s many of the same people with that “common knowledge”
Nothing about Tebows game scares me half as much as ...
Mike McCoy’s ability to call and lead an NFL offense. It’s wouldn’t be good for the team but I’d love for Elway to announce that ANYONE other than McCoy would be taking over as OC starting tomorrow.
We have receivers failing to get separation. I argue that it’s not their ability so much as the lack of design by the OC. I haven’t seen any kind of depth, or deception (except the flea flicker), or design to our passing game at all. Orton can be blamed for his lack for holding on to the ball or lack of timing but can you blame him for such a crappy designed passing offense?
I know a lot of you are just going to blame it on Kyle and I’m fine with that but start looking at what Mike McCoy has been, or more aptly hasn’t been, doing. It’s a mess and I’m hoping he doesn’t wreck Tim with his “coaching”.
Yeah, I wonder about that. At the same time, Lloyd is the only longtime starter out there right now. Decker is young and inexperienced and Willis is pretty much fresh off the practice squad.
by Orange Rush on Oct 10, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
McCoy isn’t the long-term answer. If Houston blows it again – and they might without Andre Johnson and Mario Williams – I could see Kubes getting fired and coming back as the OC. I could really see Tebow and this offense thriving under Kubiak. Will it happen? Probably not.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 10, 2011 12:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
TOTALLY agree with you about McCoy. Does he know how to USE Tebow.....
or does Fox. Big If here….
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I thought that McCoy did a great job yesterday of shifting away from the game plan in the 4th quarter. I’m not sold on the guy, but I thought he was fine yesterday.
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Exciting Losses
Oh good, looks like this phrase is now a part of the Broncos Lexicon.
Look, I said myself in here last week that we were GOING to see Tebow this year. Through injury or other means, Orton was not going to finish the year. So here we are.
The problem is, there is something about Tebow that makes people lose perspective. He’s a great kid, he has tons of intangibles and his heart is immeasurable. Fans want him to succeed just because he’s Tim Tebow, no matter what he does on the field.
That’s fine. I like him too. I want him to succeed, too.
But Jay Cutler lost a lot of exciting games. So did Jake Plummer. Kyle Orton lost a lot of not so exciting games under center, but it wasn’t as though the quarterback was the only reason why. This team has a lot of issues it’s working to fix and Tim Tebow is not a magician.
There’s no denying what Tebow brings to the table and that he lifts the team with his presence. That’s all terrific. I’m all for it. But no matter how many jerseys you buy and how hard you wish for it, the only way he’s going to have along with his natural talents. There is no way around that.
I’m not saying he can’t do it, but remember he’s been playing this game since he was a little boy. You are what you are. Broncos fans have been starved for hope lately, but we probably need to keep some perspective here. A pro QB needs to read well and throw well to win long term and if you think he doesn’t, you’re stumbling drunk on Gatorade.
I can’t wait to see the kid succeed. But if he doesn’t don’t expect the “But he’s Tim Tebow” excuse to carry water. There’s no going back now, so in two weeks we have an excellent opportunity to watch him grow in front of a very beatable Miami team.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:35 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said. I think "the tebow thing" can only take him so far. If he doesn't win, he doesn't continue to play.
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by Troy Hufford on Oct 10, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Stupid laptop..
I meant…“The only way he’s going to win consistently is to read and throw the ball well in addition to his natural talents”.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 10, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree
His ability to read defenses will improve – this is not something to worry about. No young QB without much NFL experience reads defenses well. He’ll learn that.
However, being able to throw the ball well is something I worry about. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m afraid that putting him in now will shortchange his mechanical development. As we saw today, when he is in there he can’t be thinking about his mechanics, and he’ll revert to his bad habits in those areas. Hopefully, he can still develop those areas while starting – but this is the reason (I believe) that he hasn’t been starting yet. They don’t fix themselves with playing time – they take a ton of offseason and practice reps and focus to change.
Hopefully I’m wrong and he can either fix those on the fly or overcome their limitations. I am excited as anything to watch him play and am rooting for him more than I’ve ever pulled for an individual player. But the reason I wanted more Orton (until yesterday’s stinker) was to give Tebow time to smooth out those mechanics. I’m more excited to see Tebow at QB (I always hoped he’d start sooner or later), but I just hope I’m wrong about the impact starting now may have on his future development as a passer.
The drawback of not playing Tebow now is that the team gives most of the reps to the starter.
How can Tebow improve in practice if he doesn’t get to practice much?
You have created a catch 22. No coach is going to give their backup 85% of the practice reps.
Trial by fire works better than watching some other guy do it. Especially when that other guy sucks (aka Orton).
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
by McGeorge on Oct 10, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reading is overrated
/s/ Dexter Manley
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Jake Plummer had an awesome record in Denver. Shanny let him down more than anything.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
by McGeorge on Oct 10, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I for one think we have a bright future.
I think we can use our 1st round draft pick for another critical psn of need.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 10, 2011 9:37 AM MDT reply actions
I'd like to see more of Carter first.
I’m still high on trent richardson. A corner would be nice too, but id like to see more of cassius. DT could be an issue, but we need to lock up bunkley and marcus thomas played great yesterday. Mays is a beast at ILB, but does still whiff on some tackles
I’d go RB, CB, DT, DE in that order of need
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Vaughn is NOT a NFL caliber CB
Our biggest need is CB IMO
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by ElwayFanJ on Oct 10, 2011 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has loads of potential
needs work though
by Scotty Payne on Oct 10, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Positional value and positional need are separate issues....
Positional need, in my opinion = SS, MLB, CB, RB, DE
SS? You don't think Carter is going to work out?
Positional needs IMO:
CB (Champ is old and injury prone, same for Goodman, and Vaughn plain sucks)
DT (We need at least one, probably two)
MLB ( WHY OH WHY didn’t we draft Martez Wilson over Nate Irving???)
WR (Lloyd isn’t really a difference maker and the rest of our guys are nobodys)
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by ElwayFanJ on Oct 10, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Decker is solid
DT may get healthy someday (HA!)
Royal mostly didn’t work well with Orton (is my theory) – he still is probably a pretty good receiver if used right.
Then we’ll be ok at WR – especially if we keep Lloyd for another couple years.
What I want at WR is a BIG GUY (like DT or Marshall) who can overmatch opposing CBs. Lloyd isn’t that kind of receiver, and neither are Decker or Royal. Improvement from TEs could also fill this void – but in general our WRs are pretty good apart from missing that type of 6-5 VJax kind of WR.
WR is only a need if we don’t resign Lloyd. With him, Decker, Royal, DT and Willis, they have talent. JT and DT can be those big targets.
Q. Carter struggled yesterday, so I can see bringing in a vet to compete with him at SS. But using an early draft pick? I don’t see it.
I think this team has to look at CB first. Champ is getting older, Goodman will be on the last year of his contract and Vaughn is still very raw. I could see them taking a two CBs in the first three rounds. ILB is still a problem too. I know Mays can bring the lumber, but he just misses too many tackles. The fact that Irving is still sitting on the bench is worrisome. If he can’t beat out Mays, we could look at one of the three elite MLBs in round one.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Lloyd was only a "great" WR
because he is the only one that Orton looked for
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Either way
He’s a work in progress and Bailey is getting old. I totally agree that our biggest need is CB.
by Orange Rush on Oct 10, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Vaughn is an NFL caliber CB - he's just not a good starter yet
Goodman is inconsistent – good some plays, not on others.
Champ is getting old – he’s still amazing, but we have to develop that position for when he leaves
Vaughn may become starter quality over time, but he’s not there yet.
I really hope Syd’quan comes back next year – I liked his speed and athleticism. If he hadn’t gotten hurt, we would have seen him ball-hawking out there these first couple weeks. He was exciting to watch – though I guess he must not have been good at staying in position or something. He was one of the young players I really had high hopes for (that weren’t really expected to be that good).
Cassius Vaughn
made some good plays in addition to the pick six, that play where he stopped Vincent Jackson short of the 1st down marker wasn’t too bad!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Give me Trent Richardson in the 1st
and Mark Barron in the 2nd even though Barron will go in the 1st round lol
NEVER USE A 1st ROUND PICK ON A RB!
Did we not learn our lesson…unless its AP, hell no
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Richardson has Adrian Peterson Potential
I don’t like taking RBs in the 1st unless they are very special players and Richardson is special
Truth is
we still very likely might have a top 7 pick. If Landry Jones is there, I am taking him.
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
really?
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
If we have a top 7 pick and Tebow shows
he can be the QB of the future then there is no way we should waste another 1st round pick on a QB when we have much bigger needs
Tebow better look real good then
because this is a QB Driven league…as cliche as it sounds. Look what happens when you get a good QB, your team goes places. And the league has developed how many rules to protect the QB’s (the stars of the game) and it shows with all the record passing performances that have happened this season.
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
If tebow shows he the qb of the future
We won’t have a top 7 pick.
His backup Lacy is just as good and he will probably enter the draft early next year.
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It is Mile High Tim
…ooops… “time” that Tim gets his shot and that Foxy gets off his dead horse and gets the team familiar with some NEW plays.
He acted like he has to make an entirely brand new offensive game plan when all he needs to do is throw in a lot more play action roll outs etc. and actually start living up to that “creative Run Game” he was telling us about that we have yet to see.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
haha Does Fox have it in him to do new plays?
Carolina history shows he has no use for new or struggling QB’s, let alone design a few plays for one..
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I so looked forward to coming to MHR today
I knew there would be such a reaction to yesterday’s game. Thanks for not disappointing me MHR.
by ConradA on Oct 10, 2011 9:40 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You should have seen it yesterday
So much traffic it shut the site down a couple of times
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I completely agree...
about not liking exciting losses. However, when your team is not great, or even good, excitement brings hope. Ask Carolina fans if they are excited right now.
Tebow needs reps. He needs to develop. Starting is the only thing that will make that happen. Being a huge Gator fan, I’ve watched this kid since high-school. His game may be like Vince Young, but his brain is not. He is a fierce competitor.
For right now, realistically, Bronco fans can expect some exciting losses, and some surprising wins. But stick with this guy and you will be back where you want to be. People love him because he plays with heart and audacity.
Exactly, Gator
Will Denver fans give TT the amount of games / years it took JE to be great?
Hmmm.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Nope
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 11, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
How excited are you all for "Gator Day" in Maimi?
It’s going to be almost a home game for Tebow and the Broncos, and Miami is horrible and without a QB.
We might even get an “Orton” chant from the crowd when Miami is on offense! It should be fun.
I had no intention of going if Orton was starting.
That look on Orton’s face at halftime was the one of a guy realizing his next contract was going to be a one year deal at backup pay to backup Blaine Gabbart or Mark Sanchez.
Not good for a guy leaving his prime. Kyle’s was the face of a guy realizing he was entering the Jon Kitna phase of his career.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
Good point but I have feeling that he doesn't mind.
He’ll take his 9 mil this year and a 2 mil contract and enjoy NOT being on the hotseat and having the pressure that come with being a starting QB.
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Can I get $2M for holding a clip board! I think I would be good at at.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
For 2M I'll hold the clipboard, signal plays, refill the Gatorade and tape ankles!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
But I worry about the "Gator Day" thing, for Teebs.
Like, how could he not be distracted from what he has to do? The kid is nothing if not a Gator.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Did anyone see Fox
on the sidelines on the last drive? He was so excited and animated, he was totally feeling Tebow Fever! I’ll never forget that moment, it was like Fox forgot himself for a little while and just got excited about winning a football game. Too cool!
by buckeyebronco on Oct 10, 2011 10:12 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
The "Fox is anti-Tebow" line was completely bogus
Fans are impatient – and the only reason some could see for a coach being slow to make changes is that he personally dislikes the player (or doesn’t believe in him, or whatever). Tebow was in development – Orton’s poor play simply forced Fox to play Tebow sooner than was the plan. He gets what Tebow brings and is excited by passionate football play. I mean, he was going to start Tebow week 1 until the Orton trade fell through…
Tebow looks like he would benefit from hard development work on his mechanics. Missing an offseason was killer for him – we see how much it has limited a mechanically solid sophmore QB like Bradford, I can only imagine how much it hurts Tebow. Fox was willing to give Tebow time to focus on those issues before putting him into the line of fire. He hoped Orton could be “good enough” until then – and who knows, this is the NFL, a few good bounces of the ball and the team is 4-1 instead of 1-4 right now. But after that first half, Orton was so bad (“like watching Barkley play golf” one columnist put it) Fox couldn’t wait anymore. Now he turned to Tebow.
Even if you disagree with that line of reasoning – please realize that it is far more likely what Fox was thinking than “this guy will never be an NFL QB”. That’s the most probable reason he waited this long, in my opinion.
by Summitgrad on Oct 10, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
You can still see it in Fox’s face especially in the press conference. He f***ing hates what he just created. He hates the media hype and he hates all of the questions. He never hated Tim Tebow or anythign like that, he just hates what Tim Tebow creates, especially if Tebow proves he can’t win because he will be the guy you Cut Tim Tebow or something.
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll give you that
Fox isn’t somebody who loves crazy hype. And that is what Tebow brings – as much as I love the kid, his followers make it difficult for the team around him. Especially if he isn’t as good as they expect…
And I totally think Tebow could be great! I just am nervous about the situation as a whole… and got really ticked at Bronco fans saying Fox was somehow “sticking it to the fans” by not playing Tebow, or didn’t believe Tebow could be good, or anything like that. Impatient fans get me riled up, even if I agree with them about Tebow’s potential.
A part of me wondered if Fox played Tebow yesterday to try to stick it to the fans
to show them that Tebow couldn’t play or something. Not that I thought Tebow couldn’t but a part of me wondered if Fox thought that Tebow was bad so he put him in against a good chargers team and played him to fail almost
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
"His followers"
Uh, you mean fans? As in of the Broncos? Yeah, I bet fans of the Broncos make it very difficult for the team around him. Stop seperating the two. They are the same thing.
Well actually i would disagree
Yes the Broncos fans, but there also came a huge following with Tim Tebow, like the whole state of Florida
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Good luck
trying to police that. It’s not even a battle worth fighting, so why waste the time is what I’m saying.
Good point Summit
What happens if we go 3-10 and Tebow looks horrible? Then we wont even get a good trade value for him, we will have paid him $22M instead of $11M, we will have the big contract of our first round draft pick QB and the Tebow first fans will not be able to be as objective as they intimate when the say “lets see what we have”.
I hope Tebow does well, but this could be a giant mess if he doesn’t. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be the starter though. Orton couldn’t produce a singe first down in a critical game and he shouldn’t see the field again as a result. But if Tim doesn’t play lights out, we might have a mess on our hands. Thanks for screwing up the plan Kyle.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
This is all true. Then it will be on Elway to make the call. He’s the only one in Denver who will get the benefit of the doubt, however fleating, if he decides to trade Tim and move for Luck or Jones. He will have to come out and say, “this is my call. I’m asking Broncos fans to stand with me.” And fans will. But if his pick struggles and TT tears it up with a new team, watch out.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 10, 2011 12:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He doesn't have a good trade value as it is
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 10, 2011 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't forget about Elway's first year
It wasn’t pretty.
We gave Kyle Orton a long time to show us what he had to offer. We owe Tim Tebow just as much, if not more, leniency.
by DBroncoFan on Oct 10, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Normally I would agree
But this is such a loaded QB draft class and if we have a high pick (and the associated bad record) it will be hard to not spend that pick on a Pro style QB.
We shall see. Like I said, I hope he does well because we could sure use that first pick on a corner back.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions
it was a "loaded" draft class in 2010 and look what happened there.
Thing with Denver fans is they mostly see only QB’s west of the Mississippi.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
"Thing with Denver fans is they mostly see only QB’s west of the Mississippi."
So what is that supposed to mean?
Based on this analysis (http://walterfootball.com/draft2012QB.php), nine of the top ten quarterbacks are west of the Mississippi. Does that mean he must not have any knowledge of quarterbacks in the east?
This guys top five are Luck, Barkley, Jones, Foles, Cousins
My top five are Luck, Jones, Griffin, Barkley, Foles
All of these guys throw a better ball than Tebow. If Tim doesnt show much improvement throwing the ball through the rest of the season, I would hope we grab one of these four (Luck, Jones, Griffin, Barkley) quarterbacks. If Tim is still throwing badly then we will have a top ten pick and we will have a shot at one of these guys.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I cant put links in parens. http://walterfootball.com/draft2012QB.php
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
it would be Luck or no-one.....I take Tebow over the other 4 without even thinking about it.
Foxy...you are officially on the hot seat!
Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!
I like Luck, Jones and Griffin better than Tebow.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 10, 2011 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
If we end up 7-9 or better
we will be well out of reach of Luck, Jones, or Barkley. I think there will be too many QB needy teams ahead of us like Indy, Miami, KC, Minn, Philly, etc.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Fox just hates the media in general.
That’s one thing I’ve always liked about him. Plus he had that nads to put Tim in at halftime, so now there’s 2 things I like about Fox.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
Let's start seeing Exciting Wins instead of Exciting Losses
Now that we’ve moved on from Boring Losses.
by NYCBronx on Oct 10, 2011 10:34 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Exciting losses still are losses
But it takes time to turn into a good football team – this shows progress.
The Lions last year were exciting losers. Carolina looks that way this year. Rodgers’ first year as GB’s starter, he didn’t get a single game winning drive, even though they lost by less than 7 six or eight times. Exciting losses show the team has the potential to win – it seems to be a phase rebuilding teams go through. Hopefully, we come out of it the way the Pack has. In any case, they allow us cover to keep developing Tim Tebow – and hopefully we get enough wins this year too to justify it all. At least not be in line for the #1 pick – that should take the “Draft a QB” talk away.
by Summitgrad on Oct 10, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
baby steps dude. We are rebuilding.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
by McGeorge on Oct 10, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This game reminds me of the scene in "Major League"
(I believe it was that movie) where the fellow – running like hell – slides into third base but ends up about three inches short of the bag. Funny at the time. But too much is being made of the QB stuff. The issue is that the D is not up to standards for an NFL team. Three of the losses can be tied to pi$$ poor D, especially at crunch times.
TT is a diversion from the poor D. I do not believe he will win many games because the opposing Ds will stack him up and make him throw the ball. He is not as accurate as one would loke, and he still has problems locating the guys to throw to. But it is fun to watch him come up three inches short of the bag…..
When they stack the box, he will make the throws
He’ll win some games, or at least come close.
But our D has to be better at making stops – they went a game and a half hardly forcing a punt. Thankfully they picked it up in the second half, but they still weren’t good enough then either. But we do see improvement over last year.
The defense was able to limit a lot of drives to FGs
but too many big plays. Seems like as soon as the Broncos brought people up to stuff the run, they got burned by a long pass. Need some more balance there.
Filling up your senses like a night in the forest since 1992.
by frightened inmate #2 on Oct 10, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Consider this.
If our offense is effectively scoring touchdowns it will ease the pressure on the defense. Our defense has been playing extremely well. They are giving up the big play, but the red zone defense has been very good. We need the offense to compliment the defense, and that simply has not been the case. I believe that all changes now. I also believe this team just got 100 times better, instantly. This team is like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with Orton and Tebow. Two totally different animals, as evidenced by the 14 points we put up in the fourth quarter.
bend but don't break
works if our offense executes, we pretty much shut the Chargers down after the half
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Awesome movie...
….and that was WIllie Mays Hayes (Wesley Snipes) sliding into second on a steal attempt.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
There is a distinct similarity between Willie Mayes Hayes and Joe Mays
“Step back, I plan on putting on a hitting display.”
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by KaptainKirk on Oct 10, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Ha.....
….Joe Mays reminds me of Pedro Cerrano from the movie. In batting practice kept hitting the ball to the moon. The coach asked why didn’t anybody sign him. The pitcher throws a few curve balls and he whiffs bigtime. Except now trade running defense for fastball and pass coverage for curve ball. ;) BUt I’ll take Cerrano, I mean Joe Mays on my team any day. Those hits can fire up the whole team.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Yeah
Mays has been a pleasant surprise to me. He still misses too many tackles for my taste, but I absolutely love how much he is making plays in the opponent’s backfield. If he keeps getting better, he could be starting for a while.
Yup, in between the hash marks..
…to about 5 yards down field, I don’t think anybody in the NFL will thump you as hard as Mays does. But to runs outside the tackles and pass coverage, that’s his proverbial curve ball to work on. He needs to sacrifice to Jobu.
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Just don't drink Jobu's rum
When Nate Irving shows up and take Mays job, then it will be time. Til then, I will take the ferocious hits and the misses. He usually goes out in the Nickel package, but the problem is, too many teams can put him in a mis-match position. So like I said, until someone comes along who plays better, he is going to start.
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Thanks......
I just t hought it was funny. Problem is, I saw someone on the Rockies do just that in a game….. That has to burn…….
L means a loss... not to be excited about
a W means a win… to be excited about.
Being out in New England, I don’t get to see many Broncos games. I turned my laptop on and saw that Tebow was at QB and then learned he’d been in for the whole second half. I used ESPN Game Cast to trcak how the Broncos were doing. I did get excited about the possibilities of a comeback. I think the Broncos showed a lot yesterday BUT not enough to win. Glimpses of hope is what I felt yesterday BUT it was still a loss ( I’m a Utah State fan and had my heart ripped out by the onside kick recovery vs. Auburn on the opening weekend of CFB)…USU was exciting BUT it only made the L harder to take.
That was yesterday for me as well. I do believe that Tim Tebow needs to be given the reins of the 1st offense. Then it will be up to the Broncos to win or lose with him as the QB. Tim Tebow can not do it alone… Brandon Lloyd’s catch on the last drive made it possible to the Broncos to have a chance on the last play. Teams win and teams lose. A W is exciting and a L is the pits. GO BRONCOS!
While he ran the ball well (no doubt due to San Diego playing the pass and not having game planned for Tebow), he did not pass the ball very well at all. He had plenty of open targets where he threw the ball into the dirt. This might be because of rust, so I’ll withhold judgement until after the Miami game.
Still, he needs to be able to throw the ball better in order to have success. He only had one good pass on the day (the long pass to Fells on the final drive) and he had to take a running start to make that throw.
In any case, the season is over and it’s now all about seeing if Tebow can play so that Denver can move on next season and draft Barkley/Jones/Moore/whomever.
On another note, it’s going to be interesting to see the amount of bias in Tebow’s favor on this website and from fans to make up for his poor play.
Well I'm sure you'll keep the pro Tebow bias in check then Carl
By the way you’re off to a good start. To say he only had one good pass would be exhibit A. Unless you’re one of those guys that don’t consider a screen a pass there’s no way you can deny that was a perfectly executed pass. Also the back shoulder throw to Lloyd, The pass that Lloyd made a great catch on as well as the 2 PT conversion pass were all on the money throws. Was wondering who the Debbie Downer would be today, way to come through man.
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by asinsoin on Oct 10, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I second this
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
The one to Rosario could have been caught by Dante
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait...What?
Dante Rosario?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
That loss goes down as an Orton loss,
6-21 in his last 27 games. sure he was 6-0 before that, so we’ll give him the 12-21. That’s poor.
Orton QB rating yesterday was 21.2, Tebow’s was 101.4
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy. - Thomas Jefferson
Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t the Broncos had some of the worst defenses in the NFL over the past few seasons? Will you finally acknowledge the bad defense once the Broncos finish the season 3-13 (2-9 under Tebow)?
Orton is average at best, but to say that he is 12-22 is an utter fallacy. And that whole “welp that’s an Orton loss technically” is just pathetic — does it really matter if the Tebow’s “record” is 1-3? I guarantee you the coaches don’t look at that. So fickle.
sure, agree
The D this year is a bit better than last year, and there was the GB game where they lit ‘em up, THAT is not entirely Denver D’s fault as much as it was a great GB team.
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy. - Thomas Jefferson
But that's how it goes down
just a fact. When the commentators say Aaron Rogers is 5-0, does that take away from how the rest of the packers played? Of course.
If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy. - Thomas Jefferson
Tebow’s record is 1-2. That loss yesterday falls 100% on Orton (individually).
Denver outscored SD 14-6 in the 2nd half of yesterday’s game. Not quite enough to overcome the pathetic QB display put on by your boy the “halfway decent” Kyle Orton.
You can’t throw out wild ass guesses and back peddle fast enough can you?
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
How about all the Orton 3 and outs that kept the D on the field all day yesterday?
that might have something to do with their poor performance. The 3 and out within the 2 minute warning was especially ugly. It essentially set up that SD TD because they had great field position after the punt
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"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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by Calikula on Oct 10, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the time we play the Dolts again..
they will likely be 7-4 (losses to GB, Jets, and either CHicago or Oakland)
If we start winning now vs Miami, the Lions, KC, Faders, and then KC, we’ll come into that game 6-4… sounds like a great battle for first place…then there are five more games after that! If we can get on a winning streak in Miami and work out the kinks with the new offense, we are still in it… It will of course take a meteoric rise from the bottom of the division. But you ain’t totally out of anything till 8 losses folks. The season is just getting started! WOO hoooo!
At the moment I can't see us beating Detroit.
They’re unbeaten for a reason. I think we will win 3 out of Miami, Raiders and KC x2.
All of those games are winnable
but Detroit is tough as you know
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 10, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we can beat Miami and KC.
Any given Sunday and all that, but we are not in the same league as the Lions and Raiders this year.
We should beat the Fins, the Jets perhaps, KC think may be the only other team on the schedule we would be favored against but hardly a slam dunk.
So we get to the Dolts with three or four wins, to go with six or seven losses.
Sadly we then have the tough part of the schedule with only KC closing out the season. That might be all our wins this year.
by Larry Walker on Oct 10, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice quote
Haven’t seen this one mentioned here (from Peter King today – yeah I’m bored at work):
King asked Tebow if he thought he’d done enough to win the starting job:
"Thank God I don’t have to make that choice,‘’ [Tebow] said. "I just wanted to go out there and play my heart out and show the hard work I’ve put in can pay off for this team.’’
Peter King also gave some props to Von Miller
I emailed him a few times asking why he never mentioned Miller for DROY and was heaping praise on Ryan Kerrigan.
Probably didn’t make a difference, but glad he finally mentioned Von!!!
Saw that too
And thought, how on earth could he have omitted Von. Even if PK never watched a Denver game, the sack stats stick out.
Title is "Tebow Time: most exciting loss of year" well get ready to update it
each week because we are in the LUCK sweepsteaks.
Id tend to agree if Orton was still out there...
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Does the rules play the same for Tebow
When he starts to throw INTs or the team isnt winning by the end of the year, do we get to boo him every game and chant for ‘Quinn’ until fox folds and puts him in?
Yeah, if you want to give him the same ground rules as a 7 year vet and you feel thats fair, go ahead. Me? I think its ridiculous to judge Tebow on the same set of competencies as a 7 year vet 4 games into his career.
Foxy...you are officially on the hot seat!
Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!
by boydy2669 on Oct 10, 2011 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good to see you Boydy, is the Orton nightmare over bro?
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
Yeah man, I am hoping....I feel sorry for the guy. He played crap. I think he was never set up for success.
Foxy...you are officially on the hot seat!
Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!
I feel no sympathy for KO, he damn near single-handedly destroyed my desire to watch the Broncos play on Sunday.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
We can only hope Mayne Man...
If after 2.25 seasons Tebow shows no signs of improvement and is regressing and is playing uninspired ball I will be one of those people calling for the next man up! Somehow I doubt that will be the case though.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
This crowd has gone deadly silent, a Cinderella story outta nowhere. Former greenskeeper and now about to become the masters champion.
Who is this unknown we had buried on our depth chart? Does anyone have an opinion as to whether he has a chance to be the Broncos answer at QB in the future?
Hey, I hope we win out. But more likely is that even if Tebow is spectacular, we go 4-12 or 5-11.
Every guy wants a chance and now Tebow has his. But he is a work in progress. And that is the positive-ish evaluation. To me, what Fox just said was that the Broncos are not a playoff team with Orton as QB. That is not the same as saying that the Broncos are a playoff team with Tebow at QB.
Hope he is great for us. Had hoped that Orton would be great for us. Will hope that Quinn will be great for us if necessary.
by Larry Walker on Oct 10, 2011 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Tebows TD run !
Chargers DB s wanted no part in trying to tackle tebow . They looked scared
to take the blow that he was about to deliver .
by broncosfaninphilly on Oct 10, 2011 4:01 PM MDT reply actions
Can't blame them, that's 245 lbs of "get the f#%# out of my way cause I'm scoring" coming at you fast!
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
by asinsoin on Oct 10, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He has a knack for getting in there standing up
When it looks like someone’s going to put a helmet on him. I’m thinking it’s his lateral quickness, which is hard to see on TV.
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