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Broncos Should Let Kyle Orton Go Quietly Into The Night

It's time.

Earlier today I used those words in a post about the Broncos' decision to name Tim Tebow their starting quarterback when the team takes the field on October 23rd in Miami against the Dolphins.  Tonight I use the same two words to suggest the Broncos go one step further and release Kyle Orton.

It's time.

I tweeted as such last night - and tweet that started a couple-hours-long tweet fest with Broncos fans about Tebow, Orton and various other topics.  If you are not part of Twitter, I'd highly recommend it - especially as a sports fan.  The responses I got were typical - many people agreed with me, many did not.  I received plenty of "Kyle's a Pro, he won't cause trouble' tweets. 

I agree.  Kyle is a professional and I don't think he will cause any trouble.  That's not why I would release him.  Sometimes a situation becomes so toxic that the best thing for everyone involved is to simply part ways.  That is the situation in Denver with Orton.  He simply isn't an option at quarterback for the Broncos moving forward in 2011, no matter what happens to Tim Tebow.

Star-divide

I mentioned Jake Plummer and the situation in 2006 when Jay Cutler replaced Plummer when the Broncos were 7-4.  According to those in the know, Plummer took his benching much harder than Orton - mainly because the Broncos were 7-4 then while Orton's Broncos are 1-4 now.  Orton saw the writing on the wall.  Still, what 2006 proved is you can't go back to the veteran once you pull the plug on him.  Kyle Orton is a beaten man - and likely was before he was benched - and no matter how professional he is or will be, he's human.

The Broncos are moving full-steam ahead with Tebow as they should.  This season is teetering on the edge of complete collapse and whatever magic Tebow possesses in his left arm and legs is desperately needed.  If he goes down - or doesn't perform well - the season is lost anyway.  No need to go back to Orton for the sake of doing it.  Brady Quinn can likely give the Broncos what Orton would at that time - and why not Adam Weber?

Financial considerations are in play, of course, with Orton still due plenty of cash this season.  Still, Orton isn't going to be asked to mentor Tebow - and not because Orton won't do it.  The Broncos are going to need to play Tebow-ball, not conform Tebow to what was expected of Orton.  Kyle Orton can't help Tim Tebow do what Tim Tebow does.  No one can.  That's the beauty - and perhaps the curse - of Tebow.  He's a unique talent, seemingly drawing up plays in the dirt while in the huddle.  Kyle is the exact opposite, almost robotic in his play.

Some marriages are simply destined to fail.  Kyle Orton came to Denver under controversial circumstances and was boo'd after throwing a couple interceptions in an intra-squad scrimmage.  While fans were blinded by the big lie that was Denver's 6-0 start in 2009, Orton came crashing back to earth and Broncos fans have been dousing him with great vengeance and furious anger ever since.  It's time to let him go.

Kyle Orton isn't the starting quarterback in Denver.  He's not the present or future of the Broncos.  His spot on the roster serves no purpose - and I mean that in a complimentary way.  The Broncos serve no purpose to Orton, either.  The Broncos should do the right thing - for Tim Tebow, for Kyle Orton, for the coaching staff, for the fans and let Orton and the Denver Broncos move on and move forward. 

This has been one of the ugliest chapters in the history of the Broncos.  Fairly or Not, Kyle Orton's name will always be synonymous with the dark days we find ourselves in. To truly begin the healing, Orton needs to move on and with 2011 close to being lost and Orton already on the bench, the time is now.

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I agree

Though I would attempt to trade him first and offer to eat some of his remaining contract.

by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 11, 2011 8:18 PM MDT reply actions  

No way...

…He is released before Tuesday. Broncos should trade him if they can, even for a 7th round pick.

by BroncofaninBK on Oct 11, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Even trade him for cheerleader depth

how would she look in orange and blue?

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is that the Twilight girl?

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Oct 11, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, Miss Russia 2010

the Twilight girl is a hack, screw those female mental porn movies and books

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

So much rage and teenage vampire angst in your comment...

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Oct 11, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

rofl

"Iron sharpens Iron."

by vdisciple on Oct 12, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

This!

JeffG thinks you're part of the worst fanbase in the NFL

by WakeBronco on Oct 12, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

When teams were in search of QBs in July

and no one wanted him then, who would take him now?

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by Calikula on Oct 11, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was nearly traded to the Miami Dolphins for a fourth round draft pick. Had agreed to a three year, 27 million dollar extension, per Adam Schefter, a deal that was pulled off the table at the last minute. Not sure who would want him now, but it’s incorrect to say no one wanted him before.

by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 11, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought Miami balked at Orton's proposed terms for an extension

If that was the case, wonder if Orton’s kicking himself for not caving a bit to Miami’s terms.

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by margabelle on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

no. he still has had a decent career all in all.

he will still get his money in FA cause people will blame his poor play on Tebowmania.

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by Zac Man on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

No doubt Tebowmania had a part in it.

Like Bena said, “no matter how professional he is or will be, he’s human”, and there’s no way he wasn’t negatively affected by the last 2-1/4 years of pure hatred directed at him by the “fans” of the Denver Broncos, and the last 1-1/4 years by Tebowmanics. So you bet, blaming his poor play on Tebowmania is at least partly accurate. Was Russell treated as badly by Raider fans as Orton has been by Bronco “fans”? I’m not so sure he was, and he probably deserved to be. Well, anyway, I hope for Tebow’s sake that he doesn’t get the same treatment when he fails to meet the high expectations that Tebowmaniacs have placed on him.

by CompUser on Oct 11, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is bull...

the coaches and team were behind him. If he can’t deal with the pressure of fans, then he can’t be a good quarterback in the NFL. The position is all about pressure.

I don’t think the pressure got to him, I think he just had one of those bad runs. It came at a really bad time.

by Keyworthpunch on Oct 11, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Russell was often booed in Oakland. The Raider fans did not take to him.

Bad QBs like Orton are often booed by home fans disappointed in their continued bad play. What happened to Orton wasn’t remotely unusual.

Orton isn’t the reason there is a saying that “the backup QB is always the most popular guy in town”.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 5:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

No he won't

If no one wanted him before this year, what in the first 5 games will convince GMs to change their minds? No one is going to bring him in to start, unless it is to keep the seat warm for a player being developed. GMs see him as a back up and that is what he will have to be if he wants to keep playing. There is always a chance he could work his way into becoming a starter, but even at that, he will be seen as a stop gap.

by Keyworthpunch on Oct 11, 2011 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

no one wanted to trade for him.

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by Zac Man on Oct 12, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

It seems...

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross vetoed the deal when it came to him. In a way, it was likely the message to ’Fins GM and Sparano that their days are severely numbered.

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe you called that in the off season when the Dolphins were chasing Harbaugh that his days in Miami were almost done.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 11, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

They tried to cut him off before the lockout

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I should have addressed that..

But there’s no way someone takes that contract…

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 8:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree...no trade possible.

A cut is the only game in town now…

I bet the Broncos try to trade, but as this week rolls into next week, Orton will be sent packing.

by Tim Lynch on Oct 11, 2011 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Cut him...Orton deserves a chance to choose his own way....

Foxy...you are officially on the hot seat!

Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!

by boydy2669 on Oct 11, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Do the Broncos deserve to have to pay the rest of his salary if they don't have to?

From an economical and team standpoint it doesn’t make sense without at least trying to get something for him.

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Oct 12, 2011 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

IMO

You have to stop saying things are impossible. You guaranteed to someone that we would win and that Tebow would not play this past Sunday, and were wrong on both accounts.

A trade is entirely possible.

by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 12, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow is starting. That is what we wanted. We shouldn’t be too greedy in pressing our luck.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

So the Broncos release him. Wouldn’t the Dolphins try him out? If for no other reason than we play them soon? Not sure what the financial implications are of a released player, so I’m just wondering.

by MDBroncoFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 PM MDT reply actions  

It took me 900 words...

to say what you said in about 20. Well done.

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, but yours was much more enjoyable of a read.

As far as I’m concerned right now, the more the better. I can’t get enough Broncos.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 11, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not against cutting him

But the FO has to try one last time to see if they can get anything for him.

Get well soon Juan.

by Thnikkaman on Oct 12, 2011 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Garrard has a case of butthurt and he wants to be courted. And he wants to be paid.

by ConradA on Oct 11, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orton's the same way

It was contract negotiations that doomed the deal with Miami. Both Orton and Garrard want to avoid being a stopgap solution wherever they go and want a longterm contract. If that won’t work out, they both want to be paid big for their time. Besides, if Orton can’t get what he wants, who could blame him for taking the rest of the year off and spending some quality time with his new daughter.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 11, 2011 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Miami's GM and coach had agreed terms with Denver and Orton for that trade, but were overruled by the owner.

However, after the 4 1/2 games he’s played noones going to offer anything significant for him, nor take his contract.

The only possible trade would be someone offering a player they are about to release themselves, ala Joe Mays/JJ Arrington trade.

by Timimus on Oct 11, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

We missed our chance to deal Orton for D Mason (WR – former Jet)

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 5:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

The owner still denied the deal over contract issues

He wasn’t willing to pay Orton then, and I can all but guarantee he wouldn’t be willing to pay him now. .

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 12, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 12, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

So long number 8.

Whatever the outcome, it was fun having a neckbeard on the team, if not on gamedays.

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by broncosmontana on Oct 11, 2011 8:39 PM MDT reply actions  

This is my thing

I completely agree with what you say and I agree with the sentiment behind it.

My only thing is that, Kyle Orton is a starting QB in this league.

What is the risk/reward for keeping him and letting him leave as a free agent.

At least give us a chance to get a compensatory pick.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 11, 2011 8:44 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

That is a valid point...

I wonder what that pick would be, however, if Tebow starts 11 games. Likely not a whole lot. While salary plays a role, stats do as well and the NFL may look at Orton as simply a backup in 2011

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure. David Carr brought a 6th round pick to the Giants last year.

At the very least, I would think the Broncos would get a 5th rounder for Orton if not more.

So once again, what’s the risk/reward.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 11, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

A correction

Let me start by saying I don’t agree with trading Orton, and I will explain why:

1. Orton is a veteran and since he was on the roster opening night his salary is fully guaranteed for the season so we won’t save a single dime by cutting him (we will just be paying him the balance of his contract while he plays for veteran minimum somewhere else).

2. Quinn certainly proved in the preseason that while he may look good in a t-shirt and running shoes, he is not a guy you want behind center on Sundays, even if it is as an injury backup.

The main reason I believe we shouldn’t cut Orton is not financial or in deed because I am worried about the backup position – it is about return on investment. If we cut Orton now, he will take the remaining 6 million or so we owe him as severance pay and will sign elsewhere, maybe Miami, maybe Seattle or maybe St Louis – that is the best case, the worst case is he signs with KC or Oakland and hands them our playbook, we see the Jets and Patriots do this to each other every single season and nobody knows the offense quite as well as the starting QB. If we keep him for the duration of the year, he will end up a free agent and will sign elsewhere, hopefully for a big enough contract that we get a 7th round compensation pick (a boy can dream).

by gyldenlove on Oct 11, 2011 8:51 PM MDT reply actions  

But he wont know the offense....

We are doing a major revamp for Tebow.

Second, he wont be any benefit… Plummer wasn’t what makes you think Orton will? Sure, he will show up, but he wont be there (think high school). I kinda feel bad about what happened to Orton, the least we can do is let him do his thing.

One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 12, 2011 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

From what Elway said on NFLN last night...

it’s not a major revamp…..just adding a few things.

I’d be concerned about the “intellectual property” as well.

W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!

by Broncotodd on Oct 12, 2011 5:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why?

We don’t owe him any consideration, he was handsomly paid to do his job and now that we have learned he is not qualified to do that job we don’t owe him the chance to take our money and go work for someone else.

He signed the contract knowing full well that if he didn’t perform he wouldn’t be starting, he chose to not go to Miami in the offseason, he has made his bed knowing the consequences and he will now have to live with those.

Frankly I find the notion that we should do anything that in any way can be beneficial to other teams in the interest of being fair to Orton laugable.

by gyldenlove on Oct 12, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very solid reasoning!

W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!

by Broncotodd on Oct 12, 2011 5:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Most NFL teams run very, very similar offenses. The adjustments made coach to coach are exceedingly minor, and it’s unlikely it’d be worth a roster spot and any salary at all to get that information (which is only marginally proprietary IMO). Also, there are plenty of lower-level assistants that could theoretically be poached for very, very cheap and not cost a roster slot if stealing plays was the concern.

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by atomiccafe on Oct 12, 2011 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

You can only hire away an assistant by offering them a coordinator or head coaching job. I doubt any team would be willing to hire offer a head coaching or offensive coordinator job to an offensive quality control assistant to get some playbook information, so that option is out for all teams.

You are talking about a QB who knows all the audible calls, all formation calls and the entire playbook better than any other player on the team – consider the amount of trouble the Patriots went to, to obtain a few hand signals for defensive plays. This information especially to a team that has to play us twice this year would give the defense a considerable edge.

NFL offenses are about as different as they can be, anything from nomenclature, route tree, formations, shifts, personnel packages, play selection, scripting and audibles.

by gyldenlove on Oct 12, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just think players move around too much for this to be something that hasn’t already been thought of. If you could really gain an edge by grabbing a player from another team, why did the Eagles trade McNabb within the division? Why is Troy Smith in the UFL instead of spilling the 49ers trade secrets to some NFC West team? Maybe you can gain an advantage, but my guess is it’s pretty marginal.

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by atomiccafe on Oct 12, 2011 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Least succesful Broncos' starting QBs (excluding AFL days because I wasn't born yet)

Kyle Orton, Steve Ramsey, Matt Robinson, Craig Penrose, Brian Griese, Steve DeBerg

Kyle’s pretty much at the top of that list….

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by margabelle on Oct 11, 2011 8:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't know, I'd hate to put him above Ramsey and Robinson...

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by rubincarterrocks on Oct 12, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sad to say - cut him. Let him sign with a needy team ie Miami.

 For those worried about his salary I will say this
                                    -
Cutting him and benching him cost about the same.

 Let him control his own future for once.

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by Zac Man on Oct 11, 2011 8:57 PM MDT reply actions  

He Did Control His Own Future

Just 5 games ago. Unfortunately, he blew it.
Good guy. Bad play.

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by Alaskan on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

meaning Free agency.

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by Zac Man on Oct 12, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I dont think it matters either way

Orton knows his place and the last thing Tebow will do is create controversy. I think cutting him is pretty extreme, unless of course he wants to be cut. I just don’t see the benefits I guess.

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by GoldenNugget on Oct 11, 2011 9:03 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Orton needs a fresh start nad he can't help the Broncos any more.

plus if we cut him we can activate Kyle McCarthy!!!!

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by Zac Man on Oct 11, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too many Kyles

Good football players aren’t named Kyle. Name one successful NFL player named Kyle.

by BustedBroncos on Oct 12, 2011 3:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kyle Kosier.

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by Zac Man on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

kyle turley.

he’s also a singer now. i guess.

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by oxmouth on Oct 12, 2011 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually Kyle Turley

goes on Jim Rome’s radio show every so often and whines about the new CBA not benefiting retired players. Yeah, sure, Kyle, if you’re going to crucify current members of the NFLPA for not thinking of retirees, just remember how you gave them the bird when you were a player.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 12, 2011 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

To me??

Simply to remove him as an option. Remove him as a constant question in the locker room every day. Remove the stigma that has surrounded him and the team nearly since the day he arrived. Sometimes there is not cut-and-dry reason other than it is the best thing to do for all involved…

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

It is the best thing for all of us who want Tebow to get a fair shot for 11 games to see where he is at.

But to John Fox, he might see this as a 1-3 game opportunity for Tim. If he doesn’t win games, it’s back to Kyle. Tebow wasn’t his first choice. He has no reason to tie his ship to Tebow with no other alternatives.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 11, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just heard John Elway on NFL Network

I believe the Broncos are committed to Tim for now and going forward unless he falls completely on his face.

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Oct 11, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can you paraphrase what was said?

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Oct 11, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

its up on nfl.com

Von Dooooooooom.

by ChristianL on Oct 11, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

to paraphrase

he basically said they’ll have to conform to him this year, but next preseason they will work really hard with him to get him up to speed in the various areas he still needs work on.

That sounds like commitment. But if he falls flat on his face, that can be wiped clean pretty quickly I’m sure!

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What a hilarious sig line!

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by Arctic Bronco on Oct 13, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

The 1-3 game opportunity you mentioned = hell on earth

I know some people don’t have the best opinion of Fox (I happen to like him alright), but no way he is that stupid.

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by broncomack on Oct 12, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was worried Orton might be kind of a malcontent...

… but he was pretty classy today. Maybe having Orton around might be more divisive to those veterans who’v been in Orton’s corner recently, like Brandon Lloyd or McGahee. Doubt it… just throwing it out there.

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by margabelle on Oct 11, 2011 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

You speak of being classy

which Mr. Bowlen is, I think the classy thing to do is to let Orton go and perhaps he can latch on as a mentor leader somewhere else. He’s a competitor, now that I am thinking rationally after spewing my vitriol, I say if he isn’t mad when he gets pulled, something is really wrong with his football DNA.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

orton probably wouldn't be a malcontent

i wouldn’t say it’s out of the question though. but no matter what, like john said it’s just a toxic situation. i think it’s a big deal and it’s very important to move kyle on. this probably has some fancy stephen covey name (the replaced guy principal?), but in any business you can’t replace someone and then keep them hovering around, even as a consultant. full speed ahead, boys.

by oxmouth on Oct 11, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

That one roster spot is the key

If it matters not, money wise, whether we cut him or keep him, then I say open up a roster spot so we can develop someone else in one of the many needed positions.

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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 11, 2011 9:04 PM MDT reply actions  

If you’re concerned about the roster slot, it makes more sense to cut Brady Quinn, who’s way worse than Orton.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Oct 12, 2011 7:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good post Brazenwood. Orton’s oder won’t linger in Denver the way McDaniels has/does. Dude was a trade throw in and he’s harmless to our future prospects.

I think he’d look good in Jacksonville colors as their backup to Gabbart. Or the Jets, or Cincy, or Houston or Cleveland, or Arizona, or etc. Lots of possible landing spots for Kyle as the backup.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

They couldn't install the entire offense during training camp and preseason

Just how much do you think they can do in 2 weeks?

The offense won’t change at all, the only thing changing will be going to more shotgun formations.

by gyldenlove on Oct 12, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cutler was smart enough to realize that McD was going to be disastrous for his career if he stayed...

Anyone who thought Matt Cassel was a better QB than Cutler obviously didn’t know much about football. I’m sure Elway and Fox would love to have Cutler back right now.

Maybe Indy or Miami will take Orton.

by Puckhead1 on Oct 12, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well…. Bye.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 11, 2011 9:27 PM MDT reply actions   4 recs

Nothing like a little...

‘Tombstone’ to put things all in perspective…

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

John

This was a really thought provoking article. Including from the standpoint that the NFL is the Not For Long league. For 5 games and preseason Orton was the QB, now we are willing to send him packing just to rid us of the memories of Cutler, McDaniels and of course his own playing.

I agree with all those reasons but I also wish Kyle the best. He could end up with the Jets if they decide to end the Sanchez experiment ;-)

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by dmitchell624 on Oct 11, 2011 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’d look for Orton to land in a place like Jacksonville, Cincy or San Fran.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

backing up Andy Dalton?

just so he knows, Mike Brown doesn’t like to pay people

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 11, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orton won’t have to worry about that. No team is going to lavish him with money or contract term after his 2011 nightmare.

Orton made one of the biggest losing bets (on himself) I’ve ever witnessed. Kyle easily lost $$,$$$,$$$ (eight figures) in 2011.

He is probably pretty bummed and so is his agent.

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by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 5:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good point!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 12, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't wish that on anyone (Jacksonville)

Have you seen their O-line?

Neither have I.

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by GoGators15 on Oct 12, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m glad you picked that up. You might also be the Movieguru.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Love me some Tombstone

Such a quotable movie. :) Any of you who haven’t seen it, it is worth your time even if you are aren’t into westerns at all. Val Kilmer is just amazing as Doc Holiday…really stole the show.

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by sadaraine on Oct 12, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Poor Kurt Russell never steals a show does he.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not true

Escape from New York, Big Trouble in Little China. He’s had his moments.

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by sadaraine on Oct 12, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he saved the movie.

If he hadn’t been there with all his experience and earned expertise, essentially becoming the director after things broke down, “Tombstone” never would have been finished.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 12, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is funny

I was just telling my wife a few weeks ago that Tombstone was the worst western ever made. It got about a weeks worth of airplay a while back and I kept avoiding it. She finally asked why. I think it is the directing and cenematography. I like all the actors but hate that movie ;p

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by Sean in Pa. on Oct 12, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which is your favorite Western?

Mine’s a toss up between Unforgiven, and The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

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by Calikula on Oct 12, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some of these might be stretches by western standards...

but Legends of the Fall, The Assassination of Jesse James, Into the West Mini Series, and Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee.

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by MountainManMike on Oct 13, 2011 1:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

My favorite = The Unforgiven, no escaping negative karma

I hope Orton is able to escape the negative karma that has been associated with him. He is a hard worker and a good teammate and would probably be a good QB coach at some point in the future.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Oct 13, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I've never understood all the love for Tombstone....

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by rubincarterrocks on Oct 12, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

watch the Kevin Costner version

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by Zac Man on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh...Kyle. I forgot you were standing there! You may go now.

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by sadaraine on Oct 12, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know

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by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2011 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Im your huckleberry

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by Calikula on Oct 12, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

are you just going to stand there and bleed?

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 12, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alright lunger, lets do it

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by Calikula on Oct 12, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

My Hypocrisy knows no bounds

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by KaptainKirk on Oct 12, 2011 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

who wouild sigh

orton and that dead money against the cap which limts u opinton

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

by j-man on Oct 11, 2011 9:31 PM MDT reply actions  

No dead money...

He’s in the last year of his deal. The Broncos would be out real cash since it is guaranteed, but nothing after this season.

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by John Bena on Oct 11, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

that a reilf

okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

by j-man on Oct 11, 2011 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes dead money

The dead money j-man is talking about is the $6M remaining on his contract for the balance of this year, which still counts against the cap for this year. Its not “real money” if the player is not on your roster.

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by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 12, 2011 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I dunno

Heck, who knows what goes on in the meeting rooms. Apparently Orton is brilliant in the film room. If he’s willing to actively help/tutor Tebow about what he’s seeing on the field, then every bit of help helps.

by tunesmith on Oct 11, 2011 9:32 PM MDT reply actions  

I 'd vote for Colquitt

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by Zac Man on Oct 11, 2011 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Woodyard is special teams captain.

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by Automatik41 on Oct 12, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting.....question

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by dmitchell624 on Oct 11, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is time to part ways

I mean yo can’t go back to Orton after benching him in favor of Tebow. Orton isn’t part of the future in Denver, so letting him go sounds like the right move. However if he is willing to help Tebow, which I doubt, then let him stay. Who knows, but I am sure we will find out sooner than later if the front office decides to release him.

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by weazel on Oct 11, 2011 9:43 PM MDT reply actions  

That's understandable

All he had to do was play better though.

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by weazel on Oct 11, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

NFL Sunday Ticket looks a lot fresher these days!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 11, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was so awesome

Sorry but it is.

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by sadaraine on Oct 12, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jake was one of my favorite Broncos over the last decade. Loved this dude.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

agree

especially looking back. We took him for granted.

by trumanj on Oct 12, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

One of my favorites too.

And I agree with trumanj, we took him for granted.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 12, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jake was such a free spirit, but in a harmless, non-self destructive way

Every team needs a Jake Plummer to keep things in perspective, too many NFLers are too full of themselves.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Oct 13, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing..."How did we ever let Kanell

get away!" lol

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by rubincarterrocks on Oct 12, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

We shall see, eh.

I don’t really care. I’ve noticed that fans seem to chase a mythical unification event. It’s always just on the horizon. Fire McD and all will be well. Start Tebow and all will be well. Trade Orton and all will be well. Next?

Truth is, we’re always going to disagree on a lot of stuff. The only thing that brings fans together is a win. Actually, maybe not even that.

by Orange Rush on Oct 11, 2011 9:55 PM MDT reply actions  

I wish KO the best...

We should cut him. Haven’t we had enough 2 nd string QB controversy for one year! Let him seek out options elsewhere

by Broncolove on Oct 11, 2011 9:59 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Quarterbacks

The whole team has to improve. Not a kyle or tebow fan It would be nice to watch games like the Green Bay without seeing our secondary torched for records

by Baghdad on Oct 11, 2011 10:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Excellent Post and Write Up

I couldn’t agree more.

Tebow! Tebow! Tebow!
Gallo! Gallo! Gallo!

by Bronco546 on Oct 11, 2011 11:13 PM MDT reply actions  

He gets paid whether he plays or not.

Were I him, I’d volunteer to stay at ohme and help take care of my baby daughter and enjoy a year without pain and without having to hear the bleats of the knuckleheads and numbskulls that seem to haunt these parts…..

If the boy TT doesn’t meet expectations, I would hope that the K&N crowd would move on to some other team or back to Florida. They would have screwed this one up enough…..

by Gulbrand on Oct 11, 2011 11:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Orton's horrible play was the cause of this.

Before that it was McD deciding he was going to show the team who was boss by moving Cutler. Cutler may be pouty, but he has more talent than Tebow and Orton put together.

If Orton had played well, he would have played the whole year. He would have set himself up to possibly get paid in FA.

by Keyworthpunch on Oct 11, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

No way you cut him...

Unless you can trade him to a team in the NFC, you let him ride the pine. He knows too much about the offense, defense and Tebow to let him go to a rival. It sucks, but the NFL is not for the faint of heart.

by Keyworthpunch on Oct 11, 2011 11:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Way too early for that

Tebow was only just named the starter yesterday. There hasn’t been any “riding off into the sunset” yet. If the Broncos want to at least appear like they have organizational foresight, they hold onto Orton – at least for a few more weeks. Tebow could break a leg, could suck royally, etc. Now if we released Brady Quinn… that’s another story.

by neumdaddy on Oct 11, 2011 11:50 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

WHOA!!!!

Now thats a F’N revelation…. Well said and Rec’d

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by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 12, 2011 12:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was going to make that point too.

Also, Orton has been called “brilliant” in the film room and may have a career as a coach after his playing days are over. So why not use him to help the other QBs for the remainder of the season. If Tebow gets the Broncos into contention for a playoff berth (look around at all the previously considered contenders that are sucking right now, things can change dramatically), then gets hurt (you know he plays with abandon), the Broncos will need Orton. If the Broncos O-line gets more in sync as the season progresses and the defense gets healthy, Orton could be very helpful coming back. After all, the broncos have only lost by a few points in four out of five games and the fifth was to the defending SB Champs who are 5-0. Whatever folks are saying about the holes in the Broncos talent level, they are not doing so badly with the “one wing and a prayer” approach.

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by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 12, 2011 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hire him as a coach then....Make Orton the OC....hahahaha

Foxy...you are officially on the hot seat!

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by boydy2669 on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

"...with Orton still due plenty of cash this season." - John Bena

This is precisely why I hope the Broncos do not simply release Orton. The Broncos got rolled over the coals on Orton’s contract. It was a desperation deal signed by the former Regime, but we’re still paying for it.

The cash money Orton was due this season may have been the biggest factor in his remaining with us. I don’t think Orton was considering what was best for our franchise when he contemplated losing that bonus by going someplace new. The gig in Denver has been a honeypot for him. I’ld be shocked if he doesn’t break into a grin every time he looks at his pay stubs.

Orton has been in this situation before in Chicago. He was named the Starter over Grossman and later lost that job to the same person. My point being that he can deal with it.

After spending money on this guy, we should try to get something, anything, in return. Remember, we are a franchise in another rebuilding cycle. Draft picks, in any round, are potentially very valuable. Unfortunately, Orton’s resume of mediocrity from two franchises has hurt his value, but I’m certain the Front Office could still move him, if they lower their compensation demands from where they were.

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by MoB.DeadMeat on Oct 12, 2011 12:11 AM MDT reply actions  

The problem isnt the compensation pick

Its his salary…. who the hell is gonna take that on for a backup… similar skill sets can be had for much cheaper…

One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 12, 2011 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

he was owed 9 million this season

the season is 5 weeks in, thus the tab they’d pick up is only around 7.8 million, which is more reasonable.

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by Broncs55 on Oct 12, 2011 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

$7.8M? Follow me on this

$9M divided by 16 (no. of games in a regular season) times 11 (no. of games remaining in the regular season) equals $6.1M.

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by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 12, 2011 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't do the math

I just pulled it out of my hat, don’t crucify me :/

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by Broncs55 on Oct 12, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

SERIOUS??????

I was paging through this because its all the same back-and-forth/rehash crap but for whatever reason I stopped on this.

ARE U F-ING KIDDING ME? You’re making a post with figures and you’re just pulling it out of your ass??

This is why, REGRETTABLY, MHR is more like the DP these days!

Sorry to be all over you (crucifying you) but this, as well as so much more here these days, is DESPICABLE!

by CamboBronco on Oct 12, 2011 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I cant tell if this is sarcasm or overreaction

Either way, its pretty funny

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by Calikula on Oct 12, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should be a Wild fan.

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by A.J. Haefele on Oct 12, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Playoff potential team with an injury

Questionable backups: Jets, Titans, Giants, 49ers

But something needs to give this week as the deadline looms.

by captain80 on Oct 12, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it be fun . . .

The Dolphins have lost their starter Henne for the season. Bet they’re wishing they’d done the Orton deal after all. But wait. What if a deal is worked on the next week and Orton ends up in Miami starting his first game against Tebow and the Broncos. Wouldn’t that be cool.

by BustedBroncos on Oct 12, 2011 3:47 AM MDT reply actions  

That would be epic

And extremely awkward.

Already, Tebow is going to be honored at Halftime in Miami.

We’re talking an alternative reality.

by NYCBronx on Oct 12, 2011 5:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

how often is an opposing QB honored at your home stadium?

this is awesome lol I bet they’ll be more Tebow fans there in orange and blue cheering on our Broncos than there will be Dolphin fans.

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by Broncs55 on Oct 12, 2011 7:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

it gets even weirder

The Dolphins are having a hard time drawing fans because they are worse this year than the Broncos. So there will be a large contingent of Gator fans at the game, who may very well cheer for the Broncos with Tebow starting instead of the Dolphins. This might turn into a de facto home game for the presuambly vocal Tebow fans.

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by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 12, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just like the MNF Steeler game 2 years ago

Still sickens me. I hate bandwagon Steeler fans.

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by Calikula on Oct 12, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Time to make the deal for both teams is after the Miami game

Fins have Matt Moore and picked up Sage Rosenfels. They might not be motivated to make a deal until they see both bomb. Broncos won’t want to make a deal until after game so no chance of Orton playing against them.

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by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 12, 2011 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was a really good read John

Nice turns of phrase in there.
I don’t agree with releasing Orton. I do think he can be a contributor and we do have him and have to pay him. Worst case scenario is TT hurt, Quinn meltdown, Webber?? I think it would only be fair to the rest of the team to have the experience at QB. The rest of the team deserves the chance to make thier escalators or performance bonuses. If Orton is the “only” option at QB I think the boos are much quieter and Orton should be able to perform at least adequetly.

Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Oct 12, 2011 4:30 AM MDT reply actions  

If Orton is back in there as QB, the game will be blacked-out and only 40,000 or so fans in attendance. He won’t have to worry about noise.

Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 12, 2011 6:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

yep, better make sure you attend the game

because you can’t watch it on TV

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 12, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Insurance

When Tebow gets hurt, and he will, somebody has to come in. Brady evidently has problems so it would be good to have Orton to back up

by Baghdad on Oct 12, 2011 4:40 AM MDT reply actions  

I say trade Orton for a ham sandwhich

bring back Weber as #2 with Quinn, and then if Tebow gets hurt, you still have two options. Quinn probably couldn’t do us too much more harm than Orton. But in the event Quinn gets hurt as well, there’s always Weber. And if Weber gets hurt, well, there’s always Elway!

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by Broncs55 on Oct 12, 2011 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hate ham

how about a new Angus Philly from Arby’s!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 12, 2011 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Remember when Orton got hurt and Sims came in and played vs Washington?

THAT is how much worse Quinn could do than Orton. Orton has never been flashy, but he was miles and miles ahead of Sims (or any other QB we could rustle up at that point). Backup QB is actually a hard position to play – you don’t get enough reps in practice but if something happens you MUST perform. Orton at least has had practice reps in our system for years – and he’s easily one of the best backups in the NFL at this point. No reason to toss that out the window, just to make us feel better about the team’s commitment to Tebow.

by Summitgrad on Oct 13, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just don't see it happening

No use going into the reasons because it would just encourage an argument but Orton isn’t going anywhere till the season’s over.

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by BroncoCUbuffs on Oct 12, 2011 5:37 AM MDT reply actions  

This is certainly the elephant in the room....

I’m torn on this. As much as he’s regressed, it’s not his ability to be the back-up that concerns me. I’m with a few others here who think that the intellectual property (playbooks) could very well end up with an AFC team. I hope that he wouldn’t do that, but seriously….it should be considered.

Elway said on NFLN that the offense won’t be that much different, just tweaking/adding some things.

I’m sure if he becomes an irritant to the team, which I don’t expect, they could let him go then.

Good question JB. One that requires some serious hamster wheel cycles!

W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!

by Broncotodd on Oct 12, 2011 6:04 AM MDT reply actions  

orton

yes its time for him to go, with the best offence and the best defence in the leauge for the last three years, he alone was the reason the broncos sucked,worst team in the nfl. if i was kyle i would ask to be cut

by jakertwotoes on Oct 12, 2011 8:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Best offense and best defense in the league for the last 3 years?

I’ve heard some deluded fans before, but never this deluded. For half of last year, Orton’s play (and Lloyd’s on the receiving end) were the only things we had going for us.
There’s not enough of a reason to cut him – a vet backup QB is always a nice thing to have.

by Summitgrad on Oct 13, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't understand what is so toxic about keeping Orton

People have mentioned his salary, the compensatory pick and the fact that there are likely no suitors out there.

So why? He’s been in this position at least twice in his career (including last season), was he toxic then? Or did he suck it up and win the job in training camp again?

I say history repeats itself (for the third time), it would be one thing if you saw Orton on the sideline during the San Diego game cursing and throwing his helmet around, but he was cheering with the rest of the team as Tebow led the team back.

Tebow’s a hard guy NOT to cheer for (unless you’re playing against him). I say with Orton we have one of the better backups in the league and a pretty good insurance policy on a QB who likes to throw under ten completions per game and run like a mental patient.

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by IanHenson on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

I would agree to some extent

But I would disagree with the mentoring aspect, while I don’t think Orton would be good at mentoring Tebow on how to be an unathletic stiff, he could at least provide some insight on defenses and how to read coverages. You have to pay the guy anyways, might as well see if he can help on some aspect. Also, if Tebow gets hurt, I would rather Orton go back in than have Quinn take any snaps.

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by Broncoman on Oct 12, 2011 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Love the Pulp Fiction line

John, you started another good debate. How about a little MHR Radio?

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by elwaytogo on Oct 12, 2011 9:55 AM MDT reply actions  

I noticed it too

nicely snuck in there

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by WakeBronco on Oct 12, 2011 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orton's interview after the chargers game

was classy. Keep him, he may accept being the backup and really mentor Tebow. Maybe. Maybe trade him for a late pick nearer to the end of the year.

by TheMascotArmy on Oct 12, 2011 10:52 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Problem is trade deadline is next week, Oct. 18th

So if they trade him, it has to be now.

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by Broncoman on Oct 12, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

orton

kyle should just sit back and enjoy the millions, take a vacation, play a little golf

by jakertwotoes on Oct 12, 2011 2:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Minority opinion......

but cutting a veteran backup is never a good plan. And Quinn hasn’t really shown much value to this team, either. If Tebow runs himself into a concussion or worse……. Orton might salvage the game. I doubt that anyone says that about Quinn. If cutting Orton saved us a ton of money, or if he was a problem child- sure, cut him. But he is being a pro, and Tim is unknown. Doubtful that Tim will take us on a 10 win streak, or anything close; and if he gets beat up to badly, a vet QB could be a great hole card.

by baselinedenver on Oct 12, 2011 3:05 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

We aren't trading or cutting Orton

Get over it. Tebow starts – but there’s no “JaMarcus” contract type reason to cut Orton. We keep him around for the same reason any team keeps a vet backup QB – he is the best bet to come off the bench and play ok if Tebow has to leave a game in the middle.
I get the reasons fans want him out of town – but it’s just silly to expect that. It is not going to happen – just sit back and let him stand on the sidelines. Tebow time has started, be content with that. There’s no reason to cut Orton – just let him walk after the end of the season.

by Summitgrad on Oct 13, 2011 6:31 PM MDT reply actions  

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