MHR Poll of the Week: Trade Deadline Fun
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 11:30 AM MDT
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While there are rarely huge moves the week of the trade deadline, this season seems to go the opposite way, with a number of moves already made. With that in mind, I wanted to have some fun with this. I set up a number of situations for some fun trades that could shake up this team.
Now don't worry, I talked a number of fans from these teams and tried to get us the best deal, and between myself and these four other staffers, we felt we came up with some fun ideas. A special thanks to some of the guys from Jacksonville, Miami, St. Louis and Philadelphia for helping me brain storm this stuff.
The Trades:
A Note:
I included Kyle Orton and Brandon Lloyd in all of these options for a few reasons, Lloyd is only in two, it's surprising how many teams would take Orton, and their offers make it worth it to lose our backup QB. Secondly for Lloyd, I have heard so much talk about how veterans are just holding are young players back and how the season is lost, so since Lloyd seems to be not quite up to his 2010 level, we should try and get some high value for him before he just leaves in FA. Add in the return of Royal and DT would replace him, at least in the sense that some fans want. One thing about Lloyd that we have to remember is that one good year does not a great wide receiver make, add in his well known character issues, his value outside of Denver is much lower than we would expect. While he does have value, especially to a team in need or that is familiar with him.
Option 1:
Trades:
- Denver trades Kyle Orton to Miami for Tony McDaniel and a 6th round pick.
- Denver trades Brandon Lloyd and D.J. Williams to St. Louis for Justin King and a 3rd round pick.
Denver Gets:
- 6th round pick (Miami)
- Defensive Tackle Tony McDaniel (Miami)
- Cornerback Justin King (St. Louis)
- 3rd round pick (St. Louis)
Miami Gets:
- Quarterback Kyle Orton (Denver)
St. Louis Gets:
- Wide Receiver Brandon Lloyd (Denver)
- Linebacker D.J. Williams (Denver)
Explanation:
Denver needs to clean house. Heck more fans here than any other Denver site have been saying we need to dump older players since we are rebuilding. These trades would net Denver two mid draft picks, and two young players at key positions of need for this team. We cut a fan headache by trading Kyle Orton to a Miami team that, despite what we know about Orton, he's an upgrade at quarterback there, and since Tony Sparano's job could be on the line, a mid pick and a backup DT are worth the price. Add in most Miami fans seem to want Orton over Moore or Sage. We also trade Lloyd and Williams to a St. Louis team that needs to improve against the run and in the passing game, and since McD does have a strong connection to Lloyd, having saved his career, I'm sure Sam Bradford would be happy to see a player like that with the Rams. Out of that trade we get a mid round pick and a starting corner in Justin King who will be an upgrade over Willis or Goodman, and instantly start. We upgrade at defensive tackle and corner and cut players that might not be here next season anyways.
Option 2:
Trades:
- Denver trades Kyle Orton and Jason Hunter to Jacksonville for William Middleton and a 6th round pick.
- Denver trades Brandon Lloyd and Jacksonville’s 6th round pick to St. Louis for Justin King and a 5th round pick
Denver Gets:
- Cornerback Justin King (St. Louis)
- 5th round pick (St. Louis)
- Cornerback William Middleton (Jacksonville)
St. Louis Gets:
- Wide Receiver Brandon Lloyd (Denver)
- 6th round pick (Jacksonville via Denver)
Jacksonville Gets:
- Quarterback Kyle Orton (Denver)
- Defensive End Jason Hunter (Denver)
Explanation:
Another set of trades that remove players that are holding younger players back, or are replaceable, and trading them for two mid picks and two starters. Jacksonville needs a backup, because no one in their right mind thinks Luke McCown is anywhere near a starter if Blaine Gabbert goes down, Orton is there to help. Add in Del Rio needs to at least win some games to keep his job, if Gabbert struggles, Orton can step in. We also throw Jason Hunter in to shore up a struggling defensive line. In exchange we get a starting caliber corner in Middleton, at least starting as in he's better than Goodman or Willis and a 5th round pick. St. Louis as we mentioned needs a wide receiver and they need him now if they want to catch up in the NFC West, Lloyd is that man. We flip Jacksonville's 5th rounder and Lloyd for another young starting corner in King and St. Louis's 4th round pick. We end up with two young corners, both are 26 or younger, and a 5th round pick. Our secondary is instantly set and we don't have to worry about drafting a corner in the next draft.
Option 3:
Trades:
- Denver trades Kyle Orton and Eddie Royal to Jacksonville for Terrance Knighton, Deji Karim and a 6th round pick.
- Denver trades D.J. Williams and Deji Karim to Philadelphia for Mike Kafta and a 3rd round pick.
Denver Gets:
- Defensive Tackle Terrance Knighton (Jacksonville)
- 6th round pick (Jacksonville)
- Quarterback Mike Kafta (Philadelphia)
- 3rd round pick (Philadelphia)
Jacksonville Gets:
- Quarterback Kyle Orton (Denver)
- Wide Receiver Eddie Royal (Denver)
Philadelphia Gets:
- Running Back Deji Karim (Jacksonville via Denver)
- Linebacker D.J. Williams (Denver)
Explanation:
As I mentioned in Option 2, Jacksonville needs a backup who can start if needed, they also need a slot receiver, Orton and Royal fit the bill perfectly. In exchange Jacksonville sends up Deji Karim, starting defensive tackle Terrance Knighton, whose young by the way, and a 6th rounder. We then ship Karim to Philly, who is in need of someone to take the load of McCoy, and Ronnie Brown ain't cutting it. We also send Williams who will be a big upgrade for that defense that needs to improve now. We get Kafta, who like Tebow is a developmental guy, but considering Reid drafted him, he's like a lock to be a quality backup or starter. We also take the Eagles 3rd rounder. We pretty much shed unwanted or underachieving players in exchange for two picks, a quarterback and a young, talented defensive tackle, I don't see the downside.
So let's put it to a vote, if you had to choose one of the three, which would you go with?
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i only clicked on this post because of the eye candy on the front
I’ll admit it this one time.
Chuck Norris once asked Tim Tebow for advice on martial arts.
by prototype on Oct 13, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Haha
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Why only this one time?
is there something you need to talk to a counselor about :)
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be so sure…it could be that shes jumping around like a cheerleader does that makes them look funny…just an observation
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 13, 2011 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Honestly
I’ll admit, i just can’t tell from that picture.
Well, look again, just to be sure. And again, but only if you need to.
I think I need to, lol.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 13, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions
The truth is - she is a beautiful woman
I would be pleased to know her whether they’re fake or not.
Would you care to hear this conversation about your wife, daughter, or girlfriend?
I've been bleedin' orange and blue since Floyd Little in '71-'72 and will 'til the day I die!
Bring back the Orange Crush!
RANDY GRADISHAR in the HOF!!!!
My wife?
Yes, that would mean she’s beautiful and she picked me anyway.
My daughter?
Yes, because frankly, a lot of doors open up for beautiful people.
My Girlfriend?
No, my wife wouldn’t understand.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 13, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
boobs are boobs
in fact, I have not met a boob I havn’t liked to touch.
Q. What do you call a Charger with a Super Bowl ring?
A. A thief.
by Broncs55 on Oct 13, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Max said he wanted to explore "some fun trades that could shake up this team"
Perfectly natural, in that way.
The idea that Orton carries trade value like you’ve projected above kills this article for me. With his contract, I don’t think he is trade-able. We won’t be able to sell him on a bad team like Miami. Maybe a good team like Atlanta or the Jets that wants QB insurance, but I highly doubt it. Orton would be really expensive short term insurance and based on how he played in 2011, crappy insurance.
I’m for trading DJ, but I still think we should resign Lloyd. He’s a real weapon in a passing NFL. He is our best WR. Hands down.
I’d be happy if we traded DJ for Philly’s 3rd.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
from a outside perspective i rank kyle orton as a average back up, im glad you guys have Tebow time finally. Id trade Orton for anything you can get for him, its a shame you couldn’t send him to the Dolphins and get any kind of return
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I got this from tweets from analysts
And writers on other SB Nation sites, I didn’t do this without research, but hey, people can each have their own opinions.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
We’ll know soon enough. Those same opinions you’re listening too were saying Orton for a #2 or #3 just a few months ago.
When Orton isn’t dealt, I’ll remind you I was right.
Tim Tebow > Kyle Orton
You must not have read my artice at all McG
Considering I did this all jokingly and predicted none of these will happen, but hey, wouldn’t be the first time someone just read the title and commented.
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The Falcs taking Orton?
that would make Julio, Roddy White and Gonzo really happy if Matty Ice gets hurt #sarcasm
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
orton
do you think orton is a good QB on an unbelieveable crappy team that has really no chance of winning anyway so cut him he will be happy, he’s already got your money
by jakertwotoes on Oct 13, 2011 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
im a eagles fan
any truth to the rumors we might get williams from you guys?
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
id give a 2nd rounder to get DJ Williams, and considering Andy Reids draft history, itd be a good deal for us
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
2nd for DJ?
I wouldn’t mind
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
give us B Dawk back too
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
No we stole weapon x fair and square
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-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Only when he’s ready to retire. He should retire as an Eagle.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Oct 13, 2011 12:17 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I love Dawkins and I’m glad he’s a Bronco, but much like Sharpe retired a Bronco, I think Dawkins should go back home when his time is up.
Orton and DJ for Aaron Curry and a Ham Sandwich
oh, too late.
head cheese
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by BroncoCanuck on Oct 14, 2011 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I sincerely wish you were the head hancho in Philly. I would trade DJ Williams for a decently carved pumpkin we could put in his place on the field. If we got a second for him, I would do back flips out of sheer excitement until I passed out.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
by aLuffabo on Oct 13, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you watched how our linebackers play on a week to week basis youd understand id prolly give a 2nd rounder plus asante samuels for a very good linebacker
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes GreenisMean
I’ve watched the Iggles a lot this season and other than Jamar Chaney’s INT against the Bills, what good things have the linebackers done? Stewart Bradley could have done better, of course the Cards suck too so that’s a wash.
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m not saying a don’t believe you about the Iggles sucky linebacking corps, I’m just saying that DJ ain’t your answer to the problem.
If you like linebackers who take bad angles to the play and make the majority of their tackles 4 yards further down the field than they should, DJ is your man. If you like linebackers who are supposed to be captains and leaders on the team, but decide to stupidly head-butt other players on the most crucial drive of the game, ultimately resulting in a touchdown for the other team, DJ is your man. If you love linebackers who can’t cover anybody, zone or man, DJ is your man. If you like oft-injured, sissy-boy “linebackers”, DJ is your man. If you like linebackers who ooze talent and back it up with the determination and drive of a goldfish, DJ is your man.
By all means, have a talk with Andy, persuade him to send us a second for DJ. I will literally buy you your very own Williams jersey in green and have it shipped to you.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
I think you’re expecting too much out of a Ws Lb. Other than his dislocated elbow what other injuries has he suffered? The dudes a tackling machine. I’ve seen worse angles and blown coverage from Joe Mays and more illegal contact and pass interference from Woodyard than I’ve seen from Dj. Woodyard just doesn’t get called for the contact. Watching his right hand hooked around the tight ends back while he bats down a pass with his left a few seconds before the ball arrives.
A problem I’ve seen from a lot of fans is that they act like their shit don’t stink and hide behind the keyboard and talk bad about what the players do in their off time.
by broncs27 on Oct 13, 2011 3:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That was an iffy call at best
and total bullshit at worst. I like how the ref totally ignored the charger who grabbed DJ’s facemask and shoved him to cause that “personal foul” The refs handed SD that game
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
DJ would be an upgrade for your LB group
But you are overvaluing him at a 2nd plus Samuels.
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Samuels for DJ straight up I would take.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
Waxing?
What I want to know Max, does she shave or wax?
Not for her it doesnt..
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
She looks fun
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 13, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Haha Kirk would know that
But sadly, I don’t have those connections.
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
No but
I hear Brett Farve sent her some pics!
by MileHighPride on Oct 13, 2011 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not gunna lie i only clicked becaus eof the picture and did read a thing...
I’ll read now and see what you gotta say…
Rams are already thin in the secondary #'s 1 and 2 are out!
Hope we can keep Lloyd, but if the value is there……. Hope Philly wants DJ.
we want DJ, we want anything that resembles a real linebacker
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Not Lloyd
After seeing Lloyd’s catch on the sideline (and others) he is one of the best at catching balls that aren’t thrown in the “catchable” areas for most WR’s. He’s done it time after time. I’m a Tebow fan, but also a realist. Tebow needs a receiver like Lloyd right now . . . we’ll see how things go down the line . . .
by bronco.fan on Oct 13, 2011 11:50 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I tend to agree with this
I wouldn’t be mad if we did trade Lloyd, but he’s fantastic and he’s got a few years left that I think are worth paying him the money for. He’s come into his own in a Broncos uni…I’d like him to stay.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
I love me some Tebow, but I agree with this completely. Lloyd is a stud… you don’t trade studs for peanuts. Do we think it’s a coincidence that Lloyd had his best play of this season in the short time Tebow was on the field? Playmakers influence other playmakers into… you guessed it…. making plays.
I’m stoked on Tebow making some noise with Lloyd, Decker, D. Thomas, Eddie, etc….
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Totally concur
Brandon Lloyd also came up with a big endzone catch last year. BL makes TT a better QB.
who doesn't need a wideout like Brandon Lloyd?
you can’t tell me Dan Marino was great, with no one to throw to, Mark Clayton and Mark Duper, Tony Martin, O.J. McDuffie, were all way good. Of course Marino made them better, but it is a team sport after all!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
No trade Lloyd +a pick for clausen like I saw in horse tracks this morning. Sheesh
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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Haha yea that one didn't make sense
I talked to the Carolina guys, they thought that would be crazy on our part, but they don’t nearly think as highly of Lloyd as we do, but they do think he’s worth more than Clausen.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions
you guys would be insane to trade Lloyd.
"Buddy doesn't have many rules but one of them is don't lose to the Cowboys."
by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
A lot of fans want to get younger here
And we need as many picks as we can get. Also in the trades I used him, I think we got great value.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
you gotta give tebow weapons and let him build around them otherwise your setting him up for failure
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by greenismean on Oct 13, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree, but watching Lloyd this season
With both Orton and Tebow, it’s clear that he, personally, isn’t where he was in 2010, and if he could jump ship to a place like St. Louis and go to a much more pass happy offense, with a better QB, and Denver gets a starting corner for the next 3-5 years, I’d take it.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I suggested calling the Rams this offseason about Lloyd
and seeing if we could get a Dion Branch type deal or a 2nd. Nobody around here thought this was a good idea. Too late now, leverage is gone.
One thing that Tebow is willing to do is throw the back shoulder pass. This pass requires less accuracy. This is were Lloyd and Tebow will do the most damage.
Thomas, Royal, Decker and Lloyd makes for a crowd. Thomas would not net us much on the market and Decker is not going anywhere. Lloyd’s contract next offseason will be interesting.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
wait, where's the option for lebron james?!?!
lol, in all honesty, id go with 2, because i love me some Royal w/ Cheese.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 13, 2011 11:56 AM MDT reply actions
Haha
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m flattered!
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 13, 2011 5:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not really a fan of trading Lloyd
he’s a very valuable receiver, as in he can bail out a QB from bad throws (hint hint, love Tebow but I doubt he’ll be throwing darts day one). He’s in the last year of his contract so we’ll likely get no value for essentially a 10 game rental. I think having him here will make Tebow better and after the year then he walks and we won’t have to pay him a good contract.
Vehemently opposed to trading Royal. Sure, he has been disappointing since his rookie year, but I think we have a player in him which coaches have not used effectively. If McCoy feels he can’t do it, then trade him, but I don’t see the benefit of trading a good young receiver for 2 backups on a bad team. Knighton’s pretty decent though, but not worth Royal.
I wouldn’t mind trading any of our older guys and Orton. If we can get any value for them or a couple young guys, I’d say pull the trigger
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
To clarify on Lloyd
not saying we should let him walk, but I see more value in keeping him for the rest of the season and then letting him walk then I do in getting a 6th round pick.
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
by DBroncs1414 on Oct 13, 2011 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't like trading Royal either
I think he’s a great slot receiver, but when I did this practice I was actually negotiating with other writers who were acting as GM’s for their teams.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
jealous
sounds like fun. Wish you could’ve got more value for Royal though. Knighton would be a nice young DT for us, but as of now he’s a rotational guy. We have a bunch of those on our team, what we need is that beast to anchor the middle.
Deji Karim is meh for me. He’s averaging 2 yards a carry, and while he can’t be worse then Laurence Maroney I’m tired of plugging below average backs in this O since Shanny has left.
Great post and its a very interesting topic. I think for me though this helps prove we shouldn’t be looking to go into a firesale. Mid season trades likely wouldn’t give us fair value.
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
by DBroncs1414 on Oct 13, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
It was fun
I wanted more value for Royal, but Knighton is young and considering our DT’s, he’d start, we need that. As for Karim, he’s just a flip that we use to get more value from another team, we don’t keep him.
Thanks again, and this was mostly for fun, none of these are going to happen.
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Knighton is 6'3" and 336 lbs and only 25 yrs old
After losing Vickerson for the season he was be an huge upgrade over Unrein
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
i'm more with you on lloyd
he’s fine when he’s making like gumby to catch footballs and not running his mouth off to reporters. royal’s a whole lotta meh and could take his talents elsewhere…seems like a nice dude though.
Royal has value on special teams
with Decker emerging, and perhaps D. Thomas playing a game or two before he stubs his toe and is put on IR, Royal also has value on special teams. Wondering what Cosby thinks about Royal’s return . . .
When is the cheerleader trading post?
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 13, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions
Haha now that would be an interesting idea
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Adam Shefler
Says Kyle Orton to Miami for 5th rd pick
good vaya con Dios Kyle
hopefully you don’t beat us October 23 #nochance
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh wouldn’t that be something if he did just that? Kinda like when graham caught the game winning td with tenn earlier this year?
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-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
It would be something to P me off
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton to Marshall
to beat the Broncos? That would be karmic, if it could happen. Big IF.
....because sometimes your inner cowboy needs to yodel.
I wouldnt even get mad
I’d probably laugh and google some good recipes for crow
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
This is a blatant lie
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the Broncos are unlikely to deal Kyle Orton before the October 18 trade deadline.
“He’s going to finish the season in Denver,” said Schefter on SportsCenter, “…because of that overbearing salary.” Orton has a $7.379 million base salary, and any interested team would have to pay the majority of it if they were to acquire him. ESPN’s John Clayton also considers an Orton trade unlikely. The Broncos should be kicking themselves for not completing an Orton trade when they had the chance with the Dolphins in late July.
He was mistaken
It wasn’t a lie, he just misheard the report, he mentions that below.
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by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
the team trading for him would only have to pay 68% of that salary
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by waterboy31321 on Oct 13, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Was wondering
if Orton thought he could get a decent contract somewhere, could he waive any part of this year’s salary. I am thinking his options are better now when teams are looking for veteran backups, than as a free agent after this year . . .
No...
I’m with Gil Brandt. Trade Orton to Miami for a bucket of chicken and a third round pick, and then send the bucket of chicken and the pick to Carolina for Jimmy Clausen and a Starbuck’s gift certificate.
The only problem I have with that is that Lloyd can play. Clausen cannot. If we’re gonna have Tebow start, I don’t know how having Clausen backing him up instead of Quinn and Weber is much different.
Also, I would rather have chicken than coffee any day of the week. But, we don’t even have to do that.
Let’s say, Orton to Miami for a fourth (not entirely unrealistic since Denver will have covered almost half Orton’s salary for this year by the time the deal is done) and a bucket of ordinary tap water. Save the pick. Give the water to Tim Tebow and have him turn it into wine.
You know, because his tears cure cancer and he rides a unicorn to work every day.
Switch the wine with the Fins’ Gatorade on the sideline next Sunday.
Result: Broncos win. In all respects.
I am a genius. Feel free to email all your problems. I will solve those, too.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 13, 2011 12:16 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I'd rather have the kfc bucket
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
AHA!
I didn’t say KFC! Sucker! Who is this, McDaniels?
;)
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 13, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Uhm, hum, no, uh gotta go now
*runs away
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Popeye's is way good too!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Chicken is just delicious!
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t go that far max. I ate chicken daily in the service, and it definitely got old
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Haha that's true
But anything gets old every day
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
But of course, it wasn't the Colonel or Popeye's either...
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
And MHR still hasn't gotten old for me.
and Im on here daily
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
And we are very happy we can keep people coming back
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s definitely the anti-chowhall chicken for me
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
haha that's the nicest thing I've heard all day
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
What I wouldn't do for some Popeye's chicken...
I loved it when I lived in Denver. Sadly there is none in Montana. Man that is some good chicken. And the Cajun mashed potatoes. Yum!
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
But I bet you're cholestrol is better
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
by Boiler etc on Oct 13, 2011 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha ha, I didn’t say we had no fast food. We just got our first Sonic a few months ago. Plenty of cholesterol in those yummy chilli dogs!
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
You need to splurge every once in a while!
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions
You'd rather have your figure?
pray tell Boiler, what gender are you, if you don’t mind my asking. If you’re a woman or a man, you have some pretty good takes!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Well thank you BF
But if you think I’m tellling, think again.
Oh I splurge alright………..just not on that kind of ‘protein.’
LMAO
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Interesting ideas
This article, and the debates that created it, took place over a week ago though, before all these new rumors though.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
But you can’t stop it. People want to talk about Tim Tebow just to have something to talk about. I haven’t had anyone ask me “How’s the weather” in weeks. They all say “How’s the Tebow?”
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 13, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
link?
did this happen or is it hypothetical?
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
by DBroncs1414 on Oct 13, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Schefter
Is the man. If he told me I was adopted I would be pissed at my parents.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
by TheMastermind on Oct 13, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
None of my trades value Orton over a 5th
He is usually worth a backup and a 6th in these examples.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
nfl network
We have nfl network here Shefler said 5th rd pick from Dolphins for Orton, doesn’t sound like a good deal, hopefully it won’t happen
Any value for Orton is a GREAT Deal
that’s awesome, and it takes 5 mil off our hands as well, way too much for a backup
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
by DBroncs1414 on Oct 13, 2011 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Dolphins really think their QBs suck
they’re willing to take Orton AND his contract
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Look at who they have
Talking to Dolphin fans and writers, it makes sense, and since they have no problem spending money, that wouldn’t be an issue. Add in solid WR’s (and Marshall) a good set of backs in Bush and Thomas and a decent line, it’s not a bad situation. We get some good value and they get a possible starter, no downside.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh yes
I forget that my friends at the Phinsider have Uncle Moneybags Stephen Ross as an owner, the South Beach version of Dan Snyder, and Orton may perform better, just not too well :(
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Over Moore anad Sage
I’d take Orton any day, even more so with the talent they have there on offense.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions
It's possible
that the Broncos could eat some of Orton’s money. I do think it would be best for all concerned for Kyle to move on. I have always liked Kyle, and I wonder if the constant drum beat of criticism (from people that wanted Tebow) didn’t have an effect on him. Orton’s a tough guy, but that was incessant. Don’t be surprised if he does very well elsewhere.
Interesting that the trade deadline is coming up, with the Fins a possible partner.
....because sometimes your inner cowboy needs to yodel.
It's a possibility
heck, Bradley, you’re a better signal-caller than what the Dolphins had before!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton- The Decision II: "I'm taking my self-sacking talents to South Beach"
Orton has no future with Denver this season or next… here’s wishing him well wherever he goes.
I'd take it
Were not extending him, so it’s that or he walk for nothin
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
He was just speculating
He said he didn’t expect that trade to happen. I also don’t expect any of these three to happen either, it’s just fun to talk about.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Brandon Lloyd is the last player you want to lose
did you not see that catch he made??
are you kidding me?
without that bail out… Tebow goes 3/10
yay!! Tebow can run.. Yay!!
pass.. please.. you better hope Lloyd is
around for that liability.
My Bad
I thought he was saying the deal was going to happen
BOO!
(throwing tomatoes at you)
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
by DBroncs1414 on Oct 13, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
got me excited for a second
Unfortunately, Shefter is right a heck of a lot more often than he is wrong.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Cheerleader
Lets look at the Cheerleader again
Not much too look at in the Sandbox
you gotta understand where Baghdad is comin from
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
aaahh.............I take it back Baghdad
and a big thank you!
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Wow 5th round for Orton
Take it in a flash, give the 4-5 mil to Lloyd and extend his contract. We get a great receiver and a 5th for Orton. WOOOOHOOOO! Even if Tebow fails (just sayin worst case) we are ahead.
Fans just wanna have f fun
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that the Broncos are unlikely to deal Kyle Orton before the October 18 trade deadline.
“He’s going to finish the season in Denver,” said Schefter on SportsCenter, “…because of that overbearing salary.” Orton has a $7.379 million base salary, and any interested team would have to pay the majority of it if they were to acquire him. ESPN’s John Clayton also considers an Orton trade unlikely. The Broncos should be kicking themselves for not completing an Orton trade when they had the chance with the Dolphins in late July.
BINGO
that was the cluster ( ****) of big time proportions.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
it's the cost of doing business
the new regime bought into orton’s singular ability to shred opposing practice squads. orton is the anti-tebow in that respect and many others…
That's a sad story
Jarmon, who is not with any team right now, while Gaff is the #2 WR in Washington, we could have gotten so much better value.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 13, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
yep
that was really disappointing.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
One of the biggest "Gaffs" of the off-season by far
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
nice!
the pun I mean, it sucks that Gaff is doing well for someone other than us
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 13, 2011 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
other than the Orton trade thing, that was stupid.
Booo EFX’s first two moves.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
And I readily admit I was wrong on that one
I thought EFX was smart in moving Gaff for a guy with potential, but its now obvious he was more bust than potential
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
just hope
no more of our bust picks go to oakland and start tearing it up (Carlisle, Jarvis Moss)
Why didn't we bring Jarmon back when Vickerson went down instead of another FB?
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I think it was because he was that bad
I said he wouldn’t make it out of camp when we traded for him, and watching him play before he was traded here, it shows there’s a reason he isn’t on any team right now.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Is our scouting department that bad or were we just that desperate? I am starting to wonder. I hated the trade as well and really didn’t see the upside. I just don’t get it.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Xanders is a bad GM
That’s just me though, this current draft was pretty solid. And yea I am back in the States and trying to pick up my slack around here.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I think you're spot on about Xanders being a bad GM
I’m believing more and more that the draft was all ElFox, and Xanders is just a yes man. Just look at the previous 2 drafts as McX. I didn’t like the way he threw McD under the bus and didnt take any responsibility for the gaffs of those 2 drafts, especially 2009. Our 1st round 2010 pick for a 2nd rounder in Phonz? Ouch. I hope he’s gone next year
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
yeah
The drafts before last year remind me of my first couple of fantasy football drafts. I was clueless. I look back at them and do a face palm.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
You better believe that Xanders will be the first to go if this team strikes out next year in free agency and the draft. I don’t see that happening, but there’s no way Elway drops Fox that fast, and clearly, Bowlen isn’t removing Elway for just about any reason.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 13, 2011 6:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I tend to agree with your view on Xanders
I just don’t understand who he is getting his scouting reports from. And doesn’t Elway have to put his stamp of approval on trades? The whole thing just bothers me, we totally whiffed on this one.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
BTW
Its nice seeing you around every once in a while. Are you back in the States?
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
%^*#@&"%^$ !!!!
Sounds like a Xanders move. Not to be neagitve on a fun post.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I think it was a...
desperate for a DL since we didn’t draft any. Grasping at straws.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Not to sound like a homie but I was really hoping we'd trade back to get that DL from Purdue
(who’s name right at the moment escapes me) who is now starting for (who’s team now escapes me) or the other starter, Maurkice Pouncey
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
damn......took an Adderall and keep posting instead of replying.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Ryan Kerrigan
Starting for the redskins at DE/OLB
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 13, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't like any of those trades max...
1st of all: I think we had a very great corp of WRs and we had a downgrade here… ending with “just” a great one. So I wouldn’t like to weak it a bit more trading Royal or even Lloyd (who I’d like us to resign him).
2nd of all: Because I think we are still not solid at the LB position… and sending DJ away, although being a strong “change-coins” (I really don’t know how to say MOEDA DE TROCA in english, but I mean a worth player to get great value back from it), could devastate our D. We are rebuilding and he is a great tackler and still our best LB (still Miller is very new to the game)…
About Kyle, I’d love to get some value from him… but I really think we will end without it.
This signature was sacked by Von Miller.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
The main reasons these trades are the ones I came out with
Out of the like 10 that were on the table is that we cut a lot of our older players, Lloyd is 30 this year and DJ is over the hump. I agree we would be thinner at WR and LB, but all this season we’ve talked about rebuilding and the need for younger players to get more playing time. Without Lloyd, DT and Decker would likely be our starters, and Royal would still be here for two trades. Also I think that if we can pick up two starting corners who are under 27, that’s something that can’t be passed up.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
And btw...
I think I’ve already told you before, this is the kind of articles I appreciate the most here. Posts with ideas.. and posts that make me think.
This signature was sacked by Von Miller.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
Thanks, I do enjoy toying around
And that’s what this was, I just got some educated fans from different teams and mocked some stuff up, I’m 100% sure none of these trades happen.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I just read an article by Jason Cole on Yahoo
It said we should trade Orton, Lloyd, Dawk, and Bailey. I was wondering if anyone has thoughts on this. I can see trading Orton but I don’t agree with the others.
I think Dawk retires after this year
We need to keep Bailey and Lloyd though. Lloyd is good insurance for a developing QB like Tebow. Does it seem to anyone else that Lloyd sucks at YAC? I guess it doesnt matter since he’s already like 30 yds downfield, but it always seems he just goes down immediately after the catch, even if there’s a couple of open yards ahead of him.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I had seen those
And his thoughts and values support mine and the guys I did it with, so that’s comforting. I’m not sold on trading Dawk unless we trade for another safety somewhere else, our secondary sucks bad enough as it is.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I really doubt they’d trade Champ after just signing him to an extension. Dawk … let’s be honest: who would want him? This is his last year, for sure. Same goes for Orton: who would want him? He’s the best backup QB in the league, his salary is ridiculous, and he’s a free agent after the season.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 13, 2011 5:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually a number of teams want him
Four expressed interest this off-season, and at this point I know that Miami and Arizona wish they’d taken him. “His salary” argument is also a bit off since the new team only has to pay a portion of the contract, about $5 million, much better, especially for a team like Jacksonville or Miami. Another note most people forget is both of those coaches are on the hot seat and need to win to keep their jobs.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I think Lloyd is going to help Tebow a ton.
A., he can make insane catches. B., he’s going to draw coverage, which means that as long as the playcalling isn’t insipid, he helps other guys get the ball. A young QB benefits immensely from having a WR like this.
As far as trading for picks, it would have been a bad deal under McD since he couldn’t draft a truck if he was tied to it. Judging by last years’ draft, the new regime might be better at drafting. So that maybe makes picks more valuable.
I’m not 100% sold on trading away DJ Williams. Orton, sure I’d trade. But his contract is so big, I’m not sure anyone would take him. We’ll see.
One thing about Orton
Is that the new team will only take a bit over $5 million, not his fill $9 million, which is much more managiable for a team like Miami that would likely start him.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I'd only trade Lloyd if I got a good deal and
DT was healthy and ready to go. I think once DT is back 100% he will start to cut into Lloyd’s production.
According to Fox 31 news
Lloyd is being shopped around for future picks, but not DJ Williams. We better hope bey bey can stay healthy
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
The Denver Post is reporting it as well. I hope we at least get a third round pick. It would be a shame to loose Tebow’s security blanket for anything less
by KarlMecklenburg77 on Oct 13, 2011 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions
At least according to fans
And analysts he isn’t worth a 3rd, Reggie Wayne is reported to be worth around a 4th and he’s a much better player and worker.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Man, would we go after Reggie Wayne oursleves?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
this picture is amazing
"I’m sorry. I’m extremely sorry, We were hoping for an undefeated season. That was my goal, something Florida’s never done here. But I promise you one thing: a lot of good will come out of this, You have never seen any player in the entire country play as hard as I will play the rest of this season and you’ll never see someone push the rest of the team as hard as I will push everybody the rest of this season, and you’ll never see a team play harder than we will the rest of this season. GBs"
Dawkins
Can hit but can he still cover? Bailey can
No he cant cover
but he still good in a bltiz package or against the run
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I have no shame....TY for the new profile pic.
:P
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Dawkins
Dawkins is a good leader but if you can’t cover I think you become a liabiliy like John Lynch became
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