Brandon Lloyd Trade is Another Step Forward in the Denver Broncos Youth Movement
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 17, 2011 6:42 PM MDT
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PrintIt's the beginning of the beginning for the Denver Broncos, and while the timing isn't conventional, they are letting the team know that it's time to step up or you are not going to be part of the future.
That was the case for Brandon Lloyd, who had 77 receptions and 1,448 yards a year ago, and through the first five games of 2011 had only 19 receptions for 283 yards and not a single score.
Denver traded Lloyd to the St. Louis Rams for a conditional sixth round draft pick, a price that seems shockingly low when you consider Lloyd's favorable contract and the fact that the Patriots were able to get rid of Randy Moss for a third round pick last season.
The trade is specifically confusing for St. Louis who is essentially out of playoff contention at 0-5 and division-leading San Francisco 5-1. Those games are not going to be easy to make up, and Sam Bradford has been as bad as almost any quarterback in the league to this point, regardless of who he has to throw the ball to.
My guess is that right now, the Rams are giving Lloyd the remaining eleven games to see if he is worthy of a two or three year extension to continue to help Bradford develop while they continue to break in other new wide receivers. If it doesn't work out, it only cost them a sixth round pick. At worst, it will cost them a fifth round pick, and they are getting a guy who made the Pro Bowl last year and was playing the best ball of his career.
For the Broncos, this is simply a dump move. They obviously didn't have any intention of re-signing Lloyd at the end of the season regardless, and Lloyd had no intention of staying in Denver. He went from a bad team to a worse team, but Denver did reunite him with the guy who helped make him a Pro Bowl receiver--Josh McDaniels.
To me, this trade makes painful sense, and I say that because I think the Broncos were fleeced by only getting a sixth round pick in return, and even a possibility of getting a fifth round pick doesn't make me wave pom-poms or anything like that.
However, it does make sense because there was no future with Lloyd in Denver, so why not get something from him while you still can? I realize the argument of a compensation draft pick and just playing out the last eleven games with Lloyd, but I get the sense that Lloyd didn't want to be in Denver anymore, so why should the Broncos want him there?
The Broncos also need to see what they have in Demaryius Thomas, for better or worse. If Denver flops the rest of this season, you can bet they are going to try to makeover the entire offensive side of the ball, and that could potentially start with the quarterback position, or maybe they look at a guy like Alshon Jeffery, Justin Blackmon, or Michael Floyd in the first round as a potential game-changer at the receiver position.
Regardless of what happens to Lloyd, the future is right now in Denver. Like I said, it's the beginning of the beginning, and hopefully Tim Tebow can show growth as a quarterback along with some other young guys, specifically guys who were brought in in the same draft as he was. Thomas, Eric Decker, and rookies Julius Thomas and Virgil Green could be key components of the rebuilding of Denver's passing game.
At this point, the best case scenario is that Thomas emerges into a number one receiver, Decker continues to prove he can be effective as a number two or slot receiver, and who knows--maybe Eddie Royal will show that he is still capable of making plays and that his rookie year in 2008 wasn't just a fluke.
The worst case scenario is that Tebow blows it, Thomas blows it, and Decker doesn't show improvements. That would leave the Broncos at square one once again, and probably another three to five years from contention.
But, at least we are going to find out. We have 11 games to get a glimpse of what this team could look like for the future. I am excited about it, though not so excited to see Lloyd leave, but I understand it and hope it works out for us.
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I don't see how going with only 1st and 2nd year players....
…is a good evaluation. Tebow will have only this year to prove himself and we make him, a 2nd year player, the elder statesman of the QB/WR/TE battery. I’m not sure that is really a fair way to evaluate. But many on this board agree with you.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
by bonaire on Oct 17, 2011 6:46 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Think Dallas circa 1989 baby!
They went 1-15, but hey they started a bunch of rookies right?
by Tim Lynch on Oct 17, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
If the FO was willing to give Tebow...
…more than just this year to prove himself, I’d be all in for this. But I think the FO will not give him past this year to prove himself, which is very difficult playing our toddler offensive team against pros.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
by bonaire on Oct 17, 2011 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know this team doesn't just revolve around Tebow
It’s not fair to Thomas to only evaluate Tebow and not our other 1st round draft pick from 2010. Thomas deserves to see the field just as much as Tebow does.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 17, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude, the man isn't holding DT down...
His weak body is. Lloyd wasn’t keeping him off the field, injuries are. Regardless of whether or not he deserves it, he can’t stay healthy.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 18, 2011 12:26 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
do we have a Hershal Walker to trade for all the rookies? (#1s)
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
We made that trade to the Bears a couple of years ago...
…we just blew the draft. Dallas didn’t.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
dont remind me.
Funny thing is Dallas got Hershal back for a Superbowl…. hmmm
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
hmmm all you want, I can't fathom it!
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
no matter how good he is
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Herschel is an amazing athlete. Have you seen the condition he’s in at his age now that he’s taken up MMA fighting? Looks amazingly good for age 49, and he says he still runs a 4.4 40.
Maybe he WAS worth all those picks!
Here’s a link to an MMA article and picture:
http://mmavalor.com/2011/01/24/herschel-walker-looks-to-do-it-again/
And from wikipedia:
“He is the only player to gain 4,000 yards three different ways: rushing, receiving and kickoff returns. He is one of six players (Jim Brown, Lenny Moore, Marcus Allen, Marshall Faulk, and Thurman Thomas) to exceed 60 touchdowns rushing and 20 touchdowns receiving. Another NFL record is that he is the only player with a 90+ yard reception, 90+ yard run and a 90+ yard kickoff return all in the same season (1994). He is the only player to record an 84+ yard touchdown run and an 84+ yard touchdown reception, in the same game (December 14, 1986). That same day, he had 100 yards rushing and 100 yards receiving. Walker is currently ranked eighth all time in all-purpose yards with 18,168, despite spending his first three seasons in the USFL.”
Which Herschel Walker
are you talking about? OK that was lame
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 17, 2011 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I will never forget that trade Whid
Talk about lopsided. The Vikes gave the house, hotel, country club, arena, and golf course, for one guy. Worst trade ever.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 17, 2011 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions
1-15 is going to get us Luck
I dont want a 1-15 season ever. Not even if this kid will bring us 5 trophies
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Not me
This team used to be one that could hang its hat on never having a 12 loss season. Set NFL record for most wins in a 3 year period 96-98. Best home record since 1970. Longest sell out streak. Best rushing team since 1995. Its sad to see this team this low. I just hope that most fans are not hoping to suck for Luck. Not saying you are, but I have seen some comments around…
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Me neither. Why does everyone give Luck championships and he hasn't played one NFL down?
The field is littered with ’can’t miss’ college qbs. Luck is a great college qb, which guarantees absolutely nothing in the NFL. Everyone is anointing him the next Elway and awarding championships. Ridiculous.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 17, 2011 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude, I'll do anything if it guarantees 5 Super Bowl Trophies.
1-15 even. FIVE SUPER BOWLS and all I have to suffer through is one horrible season?
I guess you and I have different values
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Who is going to deliver on 'guaranteeing 5 Super Bowl' trophies? Anyone have a bridge for sale?
I understand the emotion, but not the logic for this Luckmania.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 17, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like Tebowmania
And while Tebow brings hope, and hope he plays us out of Suck for Luck, I’ll take Luck over Tebow on any occasion.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 17, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Just to be fair
I’ve heard maybe 2 rabid Tebow fans say anything of the sort. Now, go look at what people are saying about Luck. I think Luck mania is far more irrational than Tebow mania right now.
by ten_fiver on Oct 17, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yea, I think it might be fun to go back and look at peoples predictions for Tebow becaus I know it's more than two
But, like you said, to be fair, if you read Tim’s comment, he was joking. But there is just as much Tebow hype in Denver as there is Luck hype in the NFL. That is one reason Tebow might struggle because of overly high expectations.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 17, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
The difference is
the shear quantity of people talking about Luck being the next Elway/Montana/and Marino rolled into one. I hear only a couple people question him, but that’s it.
We have a poll here at MHR asking about trading the entire draft for a shot at Luck. Go and dig all you want, you won’t find anything of the sort prior to Tebow being drafted.
I've got some ocean front property in Arizona
If you’ll buy that I’ll throw the Golden Gate in free.
by Bronco Rob on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
autocastration?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I am a Suck for Luck proponent and not about to apolgize to ANYONE because of it
One player can chang a franchise for a decade and a half. See Elway, Marino, Favre, Manning, Aikman, Montana/Young etc. The only thing that manners is winning championship because the season ends in disappointment for every other team. As a 7 year season ticket holder, I’d rather take my medicine this year rather than pay for tickets to watch them titty-bump to nowhere for the next 20 yearss (see Rockies).
by gepper33 on Oct 17, 2011 9:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
You're a suck for Luck proponent?
Well sir, you just plain suck. A real fan should never hope for their team to lose
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
by Calikula on Oct 17, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Served em right if there were any
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
and Russell was just a
suck the purple drank proponent
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
agreed.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I have to disagree hard here....
Not that suck for Luck is a thing to do but the fact that we have had to listen to Suck For Tebow for how long? Tebow fans had been calling for Orton to lose games so that he could get in and now that he’s in and the thought of losing to get another QB is out of the question, i find that hilarious!
well now you'll get your chance for Tebow to suck
since he’s had all of 3 starting games with only rookies to throw to, a FO who diesn’t buy into him, and a defense who’s ranked 30th in points allowed.
Congratulations.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
You disagreed so hard...lol
Thats true, but I wasn’t a Suck for Tebow proponent. Even up to the SD game, I wanted Orton to pull his head out of his ass and play like he did last year, or better. I was a bench Orton proponent, but thats a different story altogether. I wanted him to do well on Sundays when he was playing, and wanted him benched if he did poorly the next day
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
This isn’t an argument for the suck for Luck mindset. You are just saying you want to suck for Luck because people wanted to suck for Tebow?
What kind of argument is that?
I’m telling you, purposefully sucking for ANY reason in sports tempts karma to take a massive shit on your team. We shouldn’t be here as fans.
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
Maybe not. Miami may not have one win in them this season. Maybe the Colts don’t either. Manning isn’t going to rush back to a 0-10 team with no shot at the playoffs.
Brandon Lloyd won the Brandon Lloyd trade. Denver lost it.
Im watching this MNF game right now
and all the fight is out of that team
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Orton would fit right in then.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Oct 17, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
And if he goes there I have a sneaky suspicion he would kick the shit out of us
Marshall there, a chip on his shoulder, and he knows our playbook, and would know our defense well.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I don't know if it's so much about evaluation
It’s about building a team for the future.
And besides, I’m getting tired of people saying Lloyd would be perfect to help Tebow’s growth. I think it’s the opposite. What good does having a spider-man type talent to throw to when all else fails? It turns into a crutch. Instead of Tebow learning how to go through the proper reads, he can just think, “well I don’t know who to go to here, but I can just toss it up somewhere near Lloyd.”
I think this will be a great learning experience and team building experience for a solid group of youngsters on Offense. Tebow, DT, Deck, Thomas, the O-line, Moreno, and possibly Riley can “come up together” and end up being a tight knit solid group for years.
I don't understand why having a great player is a bad thing...
….for QB development. If we had the best O-line in the league that gave the QB 10 seconds to throw the ball, would you suggest trading a couple of them so that Tebow learns to go through his reads faster? Or if we had the best RB in the league, getting rid of him so Tebow doesn’t just see 3rd and shorts? Or if we had the Pats WRs trade some of them since they are seemingly open by 5 yards every play? Odd logic to want to give him just average options to help his growth. He will always have some exceptional players around him and some below average players as well.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
QBs like having WRs they can rely on
They need to count on the WR to be in the right place, to make the catch if they put the ball near him. Confidence building is good.
At least it should be a low 6th. But the chance of a decent return is slim. If you lost Lloyd as a free agent, they should get a higher comp pick in 2013.
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
Tebow is not meant to be a passing QB. He will never be sucessful throwing the ball 40 yards down the field. He’s not Dan Marino or Dan Fouts. He need Loyd like he needs a hole in the head.
Watching football is like watching pornography. There's plenty of action, and I can't take my eyes off it, but when it's over, I wonder why the hell I spent an afternoon doing it---Luke Salisbury
what have you been watching?
Tebow’s deep balls is one of his greatest strengths……..but not Fox’s stylle.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Just look at Orton and Cutler for recent examples
Give a QB a guy like Marshall and Lloyd, and they lock on. How many games did Orton blow because he refused to look anywhere but towards Lloyd. The Defenses know that too. Take away their toy and they forget how to play.
Surround Tebow with other young and talented receivers who run the right routes and are always where they are supposed to be.
Also, I’m not talking about Tebow’s development in terms of this years stats. I’m talking about him growing as a QB, and learning how to play the position better. If you want him to have better stats, yes Lloyd is great.
nonsense. I guess Rice was Montana's crutch.
What good does having a spider-man type talent to throw to when all else fails? It turns into a crutch
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know man
that is definitely a cop out. Lloyd was becoming a malcontent though, and I’m just glad we got something out of him. The way EFX has been drafting, a 6th/5th will be valuable. Probably not Brandon Lloyd valuable, but even Lloyd might never be that valuable again.
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
Yea your'e right
Orton NEVER locked onto Lloyd because he was a crutch. Defenses NEVER picked up on that either.
Everybody wants to wag their finger at Tebow saying he doesn’t know how to go through his progressions. At the same time they think getting rid of his crutch is a bad thing.
Oh,
I’ll see your Montana/Rice and raise you a Culpepper/Moss. Culpepper was lighting up the league until Moss left. Having a guy he could just chuck it up to didn’t seem to help his QB career much.
huh?
it was it’s highlight.
never mind. ridiculous argument. miss me with further ones.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually ten_fiver....
I’m pretty sure Culpepper enjoyed his best season of his career the year Moss got hurt (even though Moss only had 700 some yards – he still pulled in 13 TD’s). Nate Burleson was the main target after Moss got dinged. But that year, Culpepper threw for 39 TD’s.
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
by PaleHorse78 on Oct 18, 2011 12:55 AM MDT up reply actions
This EVALUATION word is John Fox's favorite.
From many commentors on here, Tebow will be judged on one game in Miami. One. Vets can throw 3-4 picks a game and it’s fine. This rookie gets a maximum of 11 games (IF Fox even allows him that many) to see if he’s IT.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
+1 Bonaire
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Guys like Alex Smith, Luke McCown, Jason Campbell, Kyle Orton and Trent Edwards get at least 2-3 years of playing and people still arent willing to write the books off on them.
Tebow cant be judged on these 11 games to see if he will succeed or not. He is playing on a bad offense with many other youngsters. Allow these receivers, tight ends and offensive line to gel with Tebow this year and off-season. Get a running back(rounds 3-7) add a speedster/playmaker to this offense and watch it evolve.
Perspective is not taught at MHR, so stop reading the DP and go get some.
by BroncofanfromBoston on Oct 17, 2011 6:58 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Tebow doesn't need 2 or 3 years. He's better than they are, and he'll show it.
by oorange blood on Oct 17, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
how can he show it if not give a chance?
He’s only going in now because Orton puked on himself, certainly not because the HC wanted it.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
A bit of history
McCown got less time than just about anyone, only starting 9 games. Jason Campbell and Orton at least won some games, Orton being .500 and Campbell just below. Alex Smith is actually playing like a starter now. Edwards is kind of an example but during his time on the Bills Trent Edwards was seemingly earning the job.
I’m not saying Tebow needs or doesn’t need more time, but at least get your history right.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 17, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
The Rams know their young QB will have less trouble throwing to better WRs
If Lloyd didn’t bad mouth the team or at least Tebow…. then this was a VERY bad trade
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
Just when Tebow most needs a WR who will truly fight for the ball... @#$%!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 17, 2011 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would hope so
but are there any ex- old-patriots or guys with large trench coats out on the market?
honestly
A very large part of the reason that Bradford is bad this year is because he can’t rely on his wide receivers. This is an excellent move for the Rams, for that reason.
The reason this is a good move for Lloyd – and someone should write a longer piece on exactly what this says about Denver’s future offense – is because Denver’s future offense is not a good fit for Lloyd’s skills.
Lloyd is strictly a timing-based, route running receiver. That’s exactly why he was so good for McDaniels (and I think McD recognized that, which is why they brought him to Denver).
Lloyd doesn’t have good YAC, doesn’t block well, probably isn’t comfortable improvising, and isn’t the best at positioning his numbers for the quarterback for a possession catch.
Denver’s very clearly transitioning away from a timing based passing game, to an offensive game plan that stresses screens, and a possession-based passing game with the occasional deep throw mixed in.
That game plan is a very good fit for Decker, Thomas, Thomas, Royal (screens), and Moreno (screens). Lloyd just doesn’t fit there – I think he knew that, and I think it was also explained to him given D.Thomas coming back from injury.
by tunesmith on Oct 17, 2011 7:19 PM MDT reply actions 10 recs
solid, solid post
Lloyd’s comments in the dpost reflect this as well. He was frustrated but classy in his comments. I wish him luck and 30 more catches this season.
by pubkeeper on Oct 17, 2011 8:22 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Precisely
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by PositivIntegral on Oct 18, 2011 1:19 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 17, 2011 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Just a lot of BS on YAC, maybe the rest too
Lloyd doesn’t have a lot of YAC bc he usually is double teamed and catching in traffic or so far downfield he doesn’t have far to go after the catch . But he does catch the ball in traffic in an acrobatic way with people on him. The problem with Lloyd is he makes the acrobatic catch a lot, then drops the easy catch on the numbers. And I just don’t buy the assertion that he is strictly a timing-based route runner. The fact is that Lloyd clicked with Orton and hasn’t clicked with many other QBs. I think the Broncos missed a good trade by packaging Orton and Lloyd to Miami for a much higher draft pick where Miami would then have a QB and two WRs who click with him (Lloyd and Marshall). They should have waited until today to make a trade.
If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.
by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 18, 2011 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions
If we flop offensively
forget getting running backs or WR’s in the first round as you suggest. EFX will draft a QB.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
yeah i'm from UT and i've been watching blackmon destroy us...
… and other people in the big 12….*drools over thought of 3 WR sets with blackmon, health bay-bay, decker"
i'm in round rock
and blackmon is a beast
but i’m more interested in Macolm Brown to me he looks like he can be the perfect 1 cut RB we need/want. just wish he wasn’t a freshman.
Yessir..... Blackmon reminds me of a young TO, without the poor attitude
My West Virginia Mountaineers have his old Offensive Coordinator in Dana Holgerson, and he has put us up at 13th in overall NCAA scoring for an offense. Blackmon is the real deal.
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
just jealous of oklahoma st.
Oh no, Dez Bryant is going in the draft.
It’s all good guys lemme introduce you to Justin Blackmon
exactly bud!!!
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
by PaleHorse78 on Oct 18, 2011 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Brown is a beast
wish they would give him the ball more
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
i have no problem with the guy taking carries away from him.
FOZZY FOZZY FOZZY FOZZY
Don't get me wrong..... I like Eddie Royal
but I’m going on record now as saying I am indifferent on him staying a Bronco or not. Yes, Decker and DT could be the future (especially Decker), but I am also thrilled to death with Matt Willis, Eron Riley, and Mark Dell.
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
Wonder if we trade DJ and/or Royal tomorrow?
The Rams fleeced us and we got twenty cents on the dollar.
We just traded away our best skill position player because he grumpy. There is a blue print for how to get yourself out of Denver. Perhaps Royal follows that map tomorrow.
DT better prove Maxwell and the rest of us wrong. He better make it happen on the field, starting Sunday. If not, we fans better start scouting Landry Jones and Matt Barkley for when we trade up from #7 to #3 overall to get one of them.
Brandon Lloyd won the Brandon Lloyd trade. Denver lost it.
I hope he proves me wrong
But Bryant has had two solid seasons so far, and is clearly accomplished more so far, I hope DT can outplay him long term. I do think the Rams got the better side of this trade, I don’t think Lloyd is worth a 2nd or 3rd, but a 5th that becomes a 4th would have been much more balanced in my mind.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 17, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Bryant hasn't been all that much this year....hurt just like DT and disappears from games
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Bryant?
Watching him in games is like pretty incredible, and I wouldn’t compare there injury history. DT has only played in 10 games, Bryant has been in 16. Bryant also doubles DT’s yards per game, has a higher yards per reception and has a higher TD per reception. Oh and he’s the better ST guy too. Not fumbling is a plus side as well for Bryant compared to DT.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
No one fleeced us McG!!!
What would you rather have…. B Lloyd for the remainder of this year, hogging all the playing time away from some of Tebow’s young targets (Decker, DT, Willis, Cosby, and possibly Riley), and no compensation for him leaving next year…… OR……. trading B Lloyd now, which gets the future WR core of our team ready for the long haul, and also nets us a 5th round pick (which could turn into another Julius Thomas type player)?
The thing you’re failing to see here sir, is the absolute FACT that Lloyd was gone next year anyway!!! We had nothing invested in B Lloyd….. now we do. No one was going to give us anything more, knowing the dude was gone next year anyway. B Lloyd was also getting a little bit whiny…. griping about not getting the ball (OK Keyshon – just give you the damn ball)….. kind of hard to get someone the ball when they’re injured and warming the bench.
I don’t know about you guys, but I was getting tired of all these little “leaks” of information coming out of Dove Valley. It’s no secret who was doing it….. is it?
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
by PaleHorse78 on Oct 18, 2011 1:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also.....
Lloyd requested a trade. How is that good for a young, rebuilding football team to have malcontents hogging playing time away from peeps who actually wanna be here???
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
Orton wants a trade, Royal wants a trade, DJ probably wants a trade, Lloyd, Cutler, Marshall, Hillis.
We seem to have a lot of guys that are not happen in Denver and we keep letting them whine their way off the team as our salary cap continues to be well below the ceiling.
We got a lot less than fair value for Lloyd and a 5th round pick doesn’t do much for me.
Here are Denver’s last 5 5th rounders.
2011 – None
2010 – Parish Cox (not in the NFL)
2009 – Kenny McKinnley (deceased)
2008 – Ryan Torain (not on Denver, backup on the Redskins)
2008 – Carlton Powell (not in NFL)
2007 – None
2006 – Chris Kuper (Bronco Starter)
2005 – None
2004 – Jeff Shoate (never made the NFL)
2003 – Ben Claxton (never made the NFL)
2003 – Adrian Madise (never made the NFL)
You get the point. Lots of misses and few hits. You read the names of 5th round picks and you don’t recognize many because very few go on to productive NFL careers. Brandon Lloyd is vastly better than most 5th round picks.
I’d rather take one more good season of Lloyd than roll the dice on a pick that has about a 15% chance of being any good.
Brandon Lloyd won the Brandon Lloyd trade. Denver lost it.
careful man
A few more sensible posts indicating why throwing away Pro Bowl talent isn’t wise, and the local cops will bust you.
Orton was benched
Royal was shopped, DJ didn’t want a trade…. we toyed with it cause of Woodyard’s emergence. What do you suggest we did….. “Here Brandon, take whatever you want, act anyway you want.”
Still, you are failing to see that a 5th rounder is better than a no rounder. Lloyd was gone anyway.
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
and McG
those picks were in years past….. EFX (thus far) have been boatloads better!!!
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
Yes, fleeced is the perfect world.
Who is smiling more, McD or EFX on that one.?
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I would hardly say that's a fleecing
considering the young, talented core that’s left behind here. Hell, Decker’s been better than Lloyd so far.
"John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!"
"F it dude, at least we're not the Queefs!!!"
"Kyle Orton to St. Louie for a 5th?"
I think the real issue with the trade is one of philosophy. I just don’t expect the passing game to play as much a role in the future. Jackson over in LA is trying to build a “bully” and Fox wants smash mouth football just as much as Jackson does. Loyd just doesn’t fit into that system. He will be better off with the Rams because their playstyle suits him much better.
I don’t think Denver got the raw end of the deal. It’s a good move all around. We got rid of someone we don’t want/need, Loyd goes to a better system for him, and the Rams get someone to help their QB out. At the end of the day it’s better just to get the deal done than quibble about a 4th vs 5th round pick.
Watching football is like watching pornography. There's plenty of action, and I can't take my eyes off it, but when it's over, I wonder why the hell I spent an afternoon doing it---Luke Salisbury
by Tuttifrutti on Oct 17, 2011 8:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
By smashmouth football I think you mean
Run / Run / Pass. and out. snooore
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
“DT better prove Maxwell and the rest of us wrong. He better make it happen on the field, starting Sunday. If not, we fans better start scouting Landry Jones and Matt Barkley for when we trade up from #7 to #3 overall to get one of them.”
Start scouting quarterbacks if DT doesn’t immediately produce. The guy hasn’t practiced in almost a year and then if he sucks we need a QB? Dude u have zero patience at all and u say the same thing on every post regardless of what the post is about. You define knee-jerk.
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by BroncofanfromBoston on Oct 17, 2011 9:22 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
he doesnt have any patience with him because he’s been injured 4 times since the draft. Not to mention that he was drafted hurt. I would love it if he would prove me wrong and make me eat crow, but Im not too hopeful for DT to stay healthy
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Thomas says he's the healthiest he's been since he came into the league.
I think this fact may have more to do with moving Lloyd than anything else. In a strange way it’s similar to the Tebow / KO situation. We need to get DT on the field as much as possible to see what we’ve got. If he shows the talent he flashed at TC and preseason last year we’ll all forget about Lloyd in 5 minutes. If he doesn’t ?… Well we’ll have an early 5th round pick to take another shot with.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
I hope so Asin
Thanks for your thoughts on this. Your opinion always carries weight with me, and I’ll back off the ledge for now. I’ll start stockpiling those disgusting Crow candy
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Trading up too?
This team is trying to acquire as many picks as possible…if anything they should trade out of the top 10 to around 15 and take dre or Claiborne
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by BroncofanfromBoston on Oct 17, 2011 9:23 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
If by that you mean next year's 6th round draft pick...
all I have to say is
pffffftttt… please…
or if by that you mean Demaryius Thomas all I have
to say is.. pffffttt.. yeah right..
Broncos got hosed by the Rams.
We are never going to stop being cursed are we?
by heykyleinsf on Oct 17, 2011 9:40 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
And the last thing they need is a WR in the first round
no matter how much of a void Lloyd leaves..
Decker is real.. Eron Riley is as good as any WR prospect
in my book.. they need to keep room for him.
1st round priorities in order…QB, DT, CB,G, RB, C
YES
vontaze burfict or manti te’o PLEASE
although i dont think
we would go MLB with our first pick i think we will either address the QB or DT issue, and maybe fox falls in love with Trent Richardson.
Ive said it before, but unless we get #1 pick and take Luck, take Landry Jones.
If Jones is taken by the time our pick comes, might as well trade down, pick up the extra pick and try to get Nick Foles from Arizona and get Claiborne or Kirkpatrick with the 1st round pick
by uclabruin34 on Oct 17, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed, I liked Riley a lot this preseason
With DT, Decker, Julius Thomas and Riley Tim will have 4 huge targets in the 6’3" to 6’5" range and the running game will have some additional punch with the downfield blocking.Throw in the speedsters Royal and Willis and this offense has the potential to be very explosive.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
Agreed I'd say 4th on wr
What do u guys think of Irving…I live on the east coast do I missed his pre season action and I’ve watched some tape and read reports. He seems like he can’t get off blocks well needs to get a little bigger and tackle better. He tackles too high. With that being said he has good athleticism and great instincts and intangibles…I think his injury set back his growth and he didn’t have an offseason either…I hope he improves and I think he will…what are your thoughts right now I say trade down to 20 or so and take best ilb or dre if he is tgere
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by BroncofanfromBoston on Oct 17, 2011 10:09 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I want to see you guys get back
and I think the NFL’s better when Denver is competitive. But McDaniels’ two drafts, outside of Decker, set you guys back quite a bit. I know the fan base is torn on Tebow, and I like him, but if you guys are in the Top 5, I think you need to go conventional QB. Obviously though, we’ll all see how Tebow does with his 11 week audition.
I hope Thomas contributes when he’s back, you guys have some decent wideouts when healthy, the Lloyd move makes sense to me.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 17, 2011 11:05 PM MDT reply actions
I've been screaming for a DT since they passed on Haloti Ngata...
If they got a top 5 pick and can’t get luck, no other QB is more enticing than some beef up front.
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by YouAreSignedIn on Oct 18, 2011 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions
I think it's Jones
and then there’s a minor drop off to Barkley, Griffin, and Tannehill
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 18, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Compensation pick?
Can anybody tell me what the compensation pick would’ve been for losing him in free agency? Or point me to the rules?
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by YouAreSignedIn on Oct 18, 2011 12:35 AM MDT reply actions
Salary dump
Been working for companies the last few years that went up for sale. They dump salary and contracts to look more attractive. Maybe Pat is looking to sell. Nobody tips thier hand, but our company just went through a sale and they cut our salaries and let people go to look like better moneymakers
This move was not a salary dump
B Loyd’s contract this year was quite reasonable .However I think EFX felt like they are well stocked at the wide receiver position and it made no sense to sign him to a large contact that he feels he deserves . The money will be better used on a free agent of need in the off season (CB DT OL RB )
This is what happens when you waste two years of draft picks and trade away a pro bowl quarterback
Nobody is to blame but Bowlen. He just had to have a 34 year old head coach.
Nice positive spin on a truly awful decision!
Just another bad decision in the on-going fire sale in Denver. You can get better deals with the Broncos than you can at Sniagrab!
Sniagrab ain't what it used to be
Back when Gart’s was Gart’s, Sniagrab was great. Sports Authority ain’t even close. Ans I keep thinking about an old song, “That old black magic” that has a line in it, “Oh what a spin you’re in.”
If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.
by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 18, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
I know why we traded Lloyd!
We needed a spare pick so we can burn our 4th round pick to get Maroney back! It all makes sense now!
youth movement?
I think Bailey and Dawkins are Hall of Fame players. Goodman is a competent pro. They are 33 or older.
My guess is the youth movement is centered on the offense, at least for the time being, and the Broncos did not have better options for the D.
Hershel Walker
Hershel invented alot of the training methods that are now all the rage. Pulling motors, turning over huge tires. running with resistence. He used these methods instead of weights and steroids and got huge. Trouble was he was ahead of his time and brushed off as a clown. As we know now he was ahead of his time
Used cars...
I would love to buy a used car from EFX, I think I could get a fairly new Porsche for what used Ford Escort would cost. Obviously getting the most value in a trade is not their forte. YIKES!
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