Welcome Bronco News - Cincinnati Owner Swindles the Oakland Raiders
by KaptainKirk on Oct 18, 2011 11:01 AM MDT
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PrintThis weeks Game Ball goes to Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown. Now you nay say, "He's not a Bronco," but after what he just did to the Oakland Raiders, it's worth a Denver Game Ball. In fact, Brown actually helped the entire AFC West division. You may have heard already, but the Raiders just gave the Bengals their 2012 1st round draft pick along with a condition 1st or 2nd pick in 2013 in exchange for quarterback Carson Palmer.
I don't know if Al Davis is still pulling the strings in Oakland or not, but this is a bold move even for the Undead. Oakland is left with very little in the way of draft picks for 2012. Gone are their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th picks. They will get Compensatory picks awarded for the loss of Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller and Robert Gallery, but they have essentially gone all in. Perhaps they believe they can wrest the division away from the San Diego Chargers and make a playoff run.
according to a tweet from Adam Schefter, the Raiders also explored a trade possibility with the Eagles for Vince Young, but Oakland head coach Hue Jackson wanted to reunite with Palmer. Jackson was the Wide Receivers coach for the Bengals from 2004-2006, so there is a familiarity between the two.
So which Carson Palmer will the Raiders inherit for two top draft picks, the 2-Time Pro Bowler circa 2005-2006? Or the QB who was 4-12 with a 61.8% Completion rate, 26 TD's and 20 INT's in 2010?
Carson is 31 years old and probably has 2-3 years ahead of him. The 2002 Heisman Trophy winner had reconstructive surgery on his left knee in January 2006 after tearing his medial collateral and anterior cruciate ligaments as well as having cartilage and meniscus damage. He was also limited to 4 games in 2008 with a partially ligament and tendon in the elbow of his throwing arm.
This deal came about after starter Jason Campbell broke his right collar bone in the 2nd quarter of Sunday;s game against the Cleveland Browns. The Raiders have now used their 2012 1st round pick on Palmer, their 2012 3rd pick on Terrelle Prtor and their 4th round pick in 2012 on Jason Campbell.
Palmer's base salaries going forward (according to Alber Breer): $11.5 Million for 2011 and 2012, $13 Million in 2013 and $14 Million in 2014.
Talk about a return on an investment. Carson Palmer was the 1st overall selection in the 2003 NFL Draft. The Bengals got 10 years, including 2 Pro Bowls out of Carson and essentially replace him with the same or better original value. Not only that, but Cincinnati also dumps a high salary off it's payroll. Mike Brown may be cheap, but he's certainly not stupid.
For that, you get the Game Ball of the Week Mr. Brown.
Do you see what Brown did for you Broncos Country?
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Hope Raiders fans have fun things planned for the next two NFL drafts
because they’re gonna be quiet days for that team.
Well let’s put it this way, Palmer’s an upgrade over Boller, although I don’t know how upright they can keep him. If they got him for 1-2 years that’d almost be worth the risk, although NOT at such a high draft pick price. But they have him for 5 years? A Raider fan I know is celebrating that fact, but I don’t get why. Seems like they just burdened themselves.
We’ll see, maybe he’ll be Super Bowl MVP and no one will care.
But man they have totally mortgaged the future for two years and well beyond imho.
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To me the risk isn't worth the reward
it’s like going for it on 4th and 1 at your own 23, if you get it, what have you accomplished?
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
That is absolutely insane.
I think we need to explore the possibility that Al Davis wasnt the one making all these terrible decisions, since, even with him gone, the Faiders insist on making ridiculous moves.
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
I wouldn't put it past him to be the CryptKeeper now, reanimated and still making the decisions.
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When I read this.
I laughed…. A lot.
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by hydrowardaddy7 on Oct 18, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Holy smokes
I thought we got swindled yesterday, but this one definitely tops it. The Raiders have no draft next year. They traded their 3rd for Pryor, and now potentially 2 firsts for Palmer? Awesome
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This just in
Carson Palmer:
I refuse to play for the Oakland Raiders. I will retired before having to play for them
well looks like Oakland mortgaged their drafts for the rights at Palmer, and he won’t play for them either. lol
just kidding btw – but man that would be funny!
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
That wouldnt surprise me at all
If I was drafted by the raiders I would hold out and wait to get drafted the following year. I think i’d rather sell cell phones at the mall than play for them.
Clearly davis is still alive and well in the raiders front office.
God bless that man/zombie.
I am a fan of a team in the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. I haven't seen the playoffs since April 28th, 2008 (1st round exit by raps). I haven't seen playoffs past the 1st round since January 26th, 2006. Stop and think about how insane it is. And depressing.
I concur
unless somehow the Raiders get better from this
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
This trade only makes sense if
1. Palmer can lead them to a SB
2. Palmer has more than 2 years left in the tank.
This is a lot to mortgage for a 32 year old QB who’s taken serious damage to his knees.
Raiders might as well get an automated computer for the next draft and just set it take the fastest player on the board. This way they don’t have to waste their time in scouting or making the trip to the draft.
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Overpaid Yes - But This is Not a Bust Move
If I were a Raider Fan, I’d surmise we overpaid by a 1st round draft pick. But I think Carson has more than 2-3 years in the tank. Mixed bag.
by peanutbutter on Oct 18, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
The thing is, the Raiders believe they are a playoff contender.
With Boller they are not, with Palmer their season is salvaged. Hell, they may even be better off now than they were with Campbell.
Except
Palmer has not played or practiced in almost a year now. I bet it will take him some time to get comfortable again.
by Jenner Paulson on Oct 18, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Palmer will play this week
and next week they have a bye so it’s very likely the 1st game Palmer plays in this year is in 3 weeks against the Broncos.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 18, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool. Von Miller can make him eat turf and then they have to put in Boller anyway
May not happen, but I sure would enjoy that. Would salvage my season, at any rate.
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that's what the MSM is saying Alberta
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't get your guy's MSM remember :p
I get to hear about how Crosby is finally back to fully practicing over and over again :p
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by AlbertaBronc on Oct 18, 2011 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh yes CBC and TSN
Dave Randorf and Don Cherry are your guys, I am a Pens fan so I hope Sid the Kid is all right!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Which means ...
He will probably be back in the swing of things riiiight about the time the Broncos go to Oakland. That’s our luck, recently. JaMarcus Russell, anyone?
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I agree Tim. I'm a Chiefs fan, and would love to agree that the Raiders were horribly swindled.
I do think they overpaid a little, but sitting at 4-2, they may have just saved their season.
Palmer was behind a terrible O-Line in Cincinnatti and still put up respectable numbers.
The Raiders have major offensive talent, in DHB, Moore, Ford, McFadden, Bush, and Jones. And a decent O-Line. The missing piece is worth a gamble. But this will be the gamble that broke the camel’s back IMO, if Palmer doesn’t play to expectations.
Come at me bro, and I will throw a 2 yard screen pass to my running back, come at me bro.
I actually think I want the Chiefs to win this Sunday
we still have two chances to beat you guys, one at Denver, the other at Arrowhead, we only have one left against the Raiduhs
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually the o-line was not the problem here in Cincy
The problem with Palmer has been his major penchant for throwing INT’s. The main reason for that is because of Ocho and his refusal to run proper routes. Ocho is NE shows what Palmer had to deal with. Unlike here they won’t put up with it in NE. Mike Brown loved Ocho, Ocho put fans in the stands and that is all Mike Brown cared about. The crazy part of it all is Mike Brown brought in TO last season because Palmer had been working out with him in the offseason and Palmer vouched for him.
The fans here in Cincy made his life miserable as well. They threw garbage on his lawn and boo’d him when he set the passing record here. So it was as much the fans here as anything.
Palmer will thrive in Oakland and it’s the best thing for all parties involved.
I keep waiting for Mikey Boy to call AJ Green to his office and ask him to change his name to UnoOcho to try and sell more tickets.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
The bengals definitely won this trade
but if the Raiders can get 4 or 5 solid years out of Palmer and be playoff contenders with him then this trade will not be a success for them as well.
It’s very similar to Seymour trade. I can see Palmer and Seymour being very good players for them for the next couple of years but they’re both 32 and they potentially gave up 4 first round picks to get them. They are really handicapping their future and this isn’t a team that is just one or 2 players away from winning the superbowl. They could really use another solid draft or 2.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 18, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions
meant to say this trade will be a success for them
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 18, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Raiders may have trouble paying all those high 1st rounders
when they become free agents soon after stockpiling high 1st rounders for several years with crappy records. I worried about the accumulation of talent for awhile only to see several not pan out. Now I see the Raiders not being able to keep them all, especially with Carson Palmer coming in. I hoped Palmer would go to Seattle. I guess Seattle was not willing to give up so much. Raiders becoming Washington (DC) West, at least the old Dan Snyder type when Snyder had Vinny Cerrato wheeling and dealing. I wonder where Cerrato is now. Perhaps Oakland?
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 18, 2011 11:17 AM MDT reply actions
Word is, Carol offered the "LeBron" jersey for Palmer, which is a good trade
since that jersey will be worth more than Palmer will be in oh say… a week.
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
The raiders are good.
But they are “not mortgage the future for one player who will put us over the top” good. They aren’t a team that was just missing that one piece. They might make the playoffs and they might win a game. But this team is nowhere near a super bowl. And the best part is, the guy they got sucks! Maybe I would understand it if the player was at least good but Palmer has been awful for the last three years. His knees are shot and his decision making was terrible.
The raiders we have come to know are alive and well my friends!!
I am a fan of a team in the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. I haven't seen the playoffs since April 28th, 2008 (1st round exit by raps). I haven't seen playoffs past the 1st round since January 26th, 2006. Stop and think about how insane it is. And depressing.
Bengals stole from the Raiders
They just got 2 high draft choices for a guy that’s been sitting on his couch, eating bonbons. I’d be doing back flips for this deal.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 18, 2011 11:21 AM MDT reply actions
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Release the Tebow.
by hydrowardaddy7 on Oct 18, 2011 11:22 AM MDT reply actions 11 recs
2 thumbs uP
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by metalman5050 on Oct 18, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions
LMAO
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
Who does the Bengals owner think he is???
I thought it was only Bill Belichick who could swindle the Raiders
Keep the faith!
and us for that matter...
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I know it seems like alot....
But this makes the Raiders very dangerous!!! Palmer is a California kid who now gets to come home and play for a very talanted team. He will probley play 3-5 more years making the Raiders a favorit with the Chargers to contend for the AFC West. You guys laugh but, so many of you are ready to morage the Broncos future for a Q.B. who has not even played a down in the NFL. Just think about that for a minute!!
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 11:24 AM MDT reply actions
Imagining Palmer being that good for 3-5 years seems hard to picture imho
given he wasn’t good for the past two seasons, hasn’t been the same since elbow surgery and is barely more mobile than Craig Morton. But we’ll see.
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Palmer isn't the elite QB he once was
He’s easily rattled and needs a solid pass protection and receiving core around him. Both in Oakland are suspect.
Besides, how much will he do this year, he has to learn a whole new offense in half a week. I can’t imagine he’ll start against KC. He’s also not the leader you look for in a “franchise QB”
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 18, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions
same philosophy doesn't mean same "offense"
different lingo, different route combinations, every coach puts his own touch on his philosophy. Hue Jackson coaching the wide receivers for Cincy for 2 years doesn’t mean he grabbed Bratkowski’s entire system.
There will be a learning curve for Palmer.
by Dammit Cerrato... on Oct 18, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm ... I believe you speak of Tebow
A young kid with lots of POTENTIAL, and we need to see WHAT we really have in him. Also, Tebow has played a little more than 3.5 games worth of snaps! I don’t really see how Denver is really mortgaging anything playing our own 1st round pick either. Maybe some more homework for you,sir.
by Bronco79 on Oct 18, 2011 10:23 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow
For all those picks they used on QB’s, they could have moved up in the draft to nab Luck.
2012 – 1st
2012 – 3rd
2012 – 4th
and possibly
2013 – 1st
Maybe one or two more draft picks thrown in but after all that who cares.
Here are your options:
Luck, a betting mans chance on a franchise QB for 10-15 years,
OR
A washed up QB who’s more spare parts than anything
A journeyman QB
and a headcase rookie QB who was suspended from the NCAA.
GO BRONCOS!!!
by go4broncos on Oct 18, 2011 11:25 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
makes sense to me!
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
Luck will be a lot more expensive than that.
If Denver finished without the top pick and wanted to get Luck, it would cost us Von Miller, Decker, maybe Tebow and likely 2 to 3 additional 1st round picks.
Brandon Lloyd won the Brandon Lloyd trade. Denver lost it.
Thats right Bronco Fans?
You can now officaly stop the suck for Luck S**T. It’s not going to happen because 1) Were not going to have the worst record in the NFL this year. 2) According to McGeorge we would have to bendover and grab our ankles to do so ;)
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Woulnd't it be Awesome
If we DID have the 1st pick in the draft and we traded it away for a boat load of picks? Man, that would be sweet. I don’t want to suck that bad, but at least we wouldn’t be sucking for Luck.
We’d be able to cut our rebuiling time in half!
GO BRONCOS!!!
I think Two 1sts and two 2nds w/ Tebow would be enough to get a team like the Colts to bite.
I think it all depends on if we’re a Top 5 pick team or not. Tebow will decided that for us.
*will decide, Sincerely Daniel
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Thats WAY TOO MUCH...
to give up for a player who has never taken a NFL snap!!! That would set the Broncos back 10 years!!!
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
so no Luck
No way the Broncos get first pick. Wager that we take Jones or another in this qb draft, even if the team finishes 6-10. With Orton and Quinn gone, it will make sense to draft a qb and then we will see “competition” next Spring.
I was hoping
we would make this deal for Orton.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 18, 2011 11:30 AM MDT reply actions
who wasn't?
Why stop there? Lets try to grab 10 #1 picks from Oakland starting in 2014.
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
Naw, not with the raiders.
They played against both Orton and Tebow, and knew which one they wanted to face. Felt is was best if we kept him.
I was right there with you.
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Pro-Bowl Press Conference:
Interviewer: Do you want to wink to the three teams that cut you and tell them, "I told you so?"
Brandon Lloyd: "No, I want to say, ‘F— you,’ and I mean that in the most professional way."
Good fit IMHO. Over Priced as well.
Has Palmer even won a playoff game?
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln
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I guess you can only call him 0-1 (Jets). He has one pass attempt against the Steelers. Kitna played the rest of that game.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 18, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
RUNNING THE RAIDERS
Is Josh Mcdaniels secretly running the Raiders?
by johnnyurrotten on Oct 18, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions
};-)
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by metalman5050 on Oct 18, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
The price was high...
No doubt, however the Raiders now have the second best QB in the AFC West. You can say what you want but the Raiders have a history of winning with QB’s that other teams thought had nothing left. Gannon and Plunckett (I’m sure I miss spelled his name) come to mind. Oh ya both those guyes led them to the Super Bowl.
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 11:38 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Who's left??
Who’s left in the Raiders organization from the last time Gannon or Plunkett were leading the team? Plunkett was 25 years ago and it’s been 9 years since Plunkett had a full or winning season.
And the other Raider Quartbacks to start during those years…
Marc Wilson
Rusty Hilger
Vince Evans
Jay Schoeder
Steve Beuerlein
Todd Marinovich
Jeff Hostetler
Vince Evans
Billy Joe Hobert
Jeff George
Donald Hollas
Wade Wilson
Rich Gannon
Rick Mirer
Marques Tuisasosopo
Kerry Collins
Andrew Walter
Aaron Brooks
Josh McCown
Daunte Culpepper
Jamarcus Russell
Bruce Gradkowski
Jason Cambell
That’s the full history.
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by Alan_Smithee on Oct 18, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice List.....
I’m not a raider fan so I would not waste that much energy on making this list but thanks. I would like to point out that Palmer is a better QB than everyone one this list except maybe Gannon, who oh ya led them to the Super Bowl.
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Also Kudos....
To the Bengals for doing the right thing. They did the right thing for Palmer, and the right thing for the Bengals. Now Palmer no longer has to play for one of the worst organizations in the NFL, while the Bengals now have valuable picks for a player they were just going to let retire!!!
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 11:45 AM MDT reply actions
true, he went from the worst...
to the second worst :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Did the right thing for Palmer? Hardly. They should have traded him when he asked out.
At least that is how some franchises do it
Like the Broncos did
with Lloyd :) He asked for a trade and poof…now we really cant see him !
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
I was bummed to find out the Raiders are giving away all their draft picks...
I was so looking forward to their first draft without Davis… to see if they continue their trend of cutting half their draft picks by 4 week of training camp :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
I hate the Raiders too...
And I know it’s fun to rip on them. If you want honesty, the Raider organazition is on the up swing these days and them aquiring a Quality NFL Q.B. with a chip on his shoulder has just made them faviorts in the AFC West for the next 3-5 years!!!
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 11:58 AM MDT reply actions
If he stays healthy...
they couldn’t keep Campbell healthy and he is a lot more mobile than Palmer.
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
True...
Except Campbell got hurt while scrambling. FYI the last time Palmer was in the playoffs his team had a great running game and a solid Defence. They also swept the Steelers and Ravens that year!!! Any QB who can sweep those two teams must not be too bad ;)
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 12:07 PM MDT reply actions
That was
before 6-7 years of wear and tear and 3-4 surgeries.
And Campbell was scrambling because the pocket crumbled.
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup ...
forgot about that year…just as well, they didn’t make it out of the first round. And it was the first time they ever swept their division. Still Palmer was a non-factor in that game, as much as he was in his first playoff game.
recap of the game from: NFL game center
With Carson Palmer off the mark all game, the Bengals’ passing attack never got going. Chad Ochocinco, blanketed by Jets Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis, didn’t make a catch until 11:56 remained and finished with two receptions for 28 yards. Palmer, meanwhile, struggled to get into a rhythm with his other receivers, consistently misfiring on passes and overthrowing open receivers. Palmer completed just 50 percent of his passes for 146 yards with a touchdown and an interception
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope your right......
It seems to me though that the Radiers are a good young team that just didn’t have a Quality NFL QB. Do they now? I think so, you don’t. Only time will tell, but let me just say that I hope your right :)
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I think after the first 6 games this year...
Cincinnati would agree with me also….they are not missing Palmer a bit :) There is also this point…. Has Palmer stayed in GAME shape? Or has he truly been sitting on the couch eating BonBons? LMAO
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
One good year....
If my memory is correct, I believe it was the Steelers DE who rolled onto Palmer’s knee and knocked them out of the playoffs.
Well, the 2012 draft will go a little faster.
Now that neither the Falcons or the Raiders have any picks.
On the other hand, did the Raiders give up too much? Yeah, but who else were they gonna go after? Orton? Garrard? Oakland is a team on the cusp of playoff contention and if they have a shot this year they needed a veteran QB FAST.
Palmer probably figured the Bungles would flounder without him and no doubt has a little egg on his face now that the team is flourishing not just without him, but with a wet behind the ears second round pick taking Carson’s place. If he didn’t already have a chip on his shoulder he sure does now.
Maybe he’ll be what the Raiders need. maybe not. Either way, I give Jokeland credit for making bold decisions and taking big risks the last two or three years to build a winner and some of them…just some of them are starting to pay off.
This season just gets interestinger and interestinger.
First get me some wins. I never drink Kool-Aid on an empty stomach.
Is this trade official yet?
The trade-deadline was 12 MT right
And now for something completely different
trade deadline is 2 pm MDT
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh i thought it was 2 pm EST
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 18, 2011 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
NFL teams have until 4pm ET on Tuesday to finalize trades for the 2011 league year.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/10/18/2497773/nfl-trade-deadline-2011-time-rumors
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
so trades can be consummated
for 22 more minutes, it is 1:38 p.m. MDT
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Does anyone think...
That D.J. Williams still might get traded in the next two hours? Has anyone heard anything else about our Broncos?
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 12:14 PM MDT reply actions
No one wants him...underachieving talent with a poor work ethic and subpar on the field performance.
He can’t even beat out an undrafted player for crying out loud. Bum!
we all laugh
but the last few years they have kick our ass. and i think this trade makes them better for at least this year.
Good news is we’ll play them again in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, etc.
Brandon Lloyd won the Brandon Lloyd trade. Denver lost it.
}:-)
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by metalman5050 on Oct 18, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Kaptain, you are so funny. This is total game ball worthy. This is like playoff game ball worthy.
Huge win for Cincy today.
Brandon Lloyd won the Brandon Lloyd trade. Denver lost it.
Glad you liked it.
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I think it is more likely DJ is traded this offseason
Perspective is not taught at MHR, so stop reading the DP and go get some.
by BroncofanfromBoston on Oct 18, 2011 12:30 PM MDT reply actions
For the Bengals,
this trade can be on discussion to be the best trade ever on NFL history… Competing with the Bailey/Portis one by us.
And for the Raiders… wow!!! This is terrific!! LOL They indeed helped the entire AFC West as pointed on the article, and for me they moved back some 2 or 3 years with this move, besides the fact that the good QB Carson Palmer has 2 or 3 more seasons to play at a (questionable) high level.
Great post, Kaptain. Great points and very well writen.
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The Herschel Walker trade, also known as “The Great Train Robbery”, was the largest player trade in the history of the National Football League.1 It involved 18 players and draft picks.2 The trade was made on October 12, 1989, between the Dallas Cowboys and the Minnesota Vikings.
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by Disturbed70 on Oct 18, 2011 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Great memories, D70
However I could add those 2 ones to that discussion…
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 18, 2011 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I would compare our trade
of Cutler more than the Bailey trade, but the simple fact that our Cutler trade didnt really net us a Dynasty, like the Herschel Walker trade netted the Cowboys :)
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And then after raping Minnisota's football team
they go and steal their hockey team.. LMAO….
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I'm sure the Minnesotans like the Wild better anyway
/s/ nobody
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
The Wild= 1) NW Division Title, 1) appearance in WCF - 0) Stanley Cups....
The Stars have won seven division titles in Dallas, two President’s Trophies as the top regular season team in the NHL, the Western Conference championship twice, and in 1998–99, the Stanley Cup.
I know I was pissed when the Rockies moved to NJ and started winning titles and Stanley Cups :):)
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Nice!
you know I was making a sarcastic joke, right? I’m trying to learn more about hockey, especially if the NBA still wants to act like Beavis and Butthead
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
I’ve been a hockey fan about as long as I have been a football fan :) I actually got to see some Rockies Hockey when I was young. After the first time I was hooked.
I can hardly bring myself to watch an NBA game anymore, talk about lousy officiating….I think over half of the refs have money on the game. So an NBA lock out really means nothing to me :) While they are at it they should clean house on their ref’s. Then maybe I could enjoy a game again :)
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I'm just glad my Mavericks won!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I was glad for Dirk...
thats about it… Don’t like Mark Cuban at all ;)
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Didn't net us a dynasty is a nice way of saying it......
are we even a little better off would be a more accurate way of putting it.
by Keyworthpunch on Oct 19, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
And the Ricky Williams deal that Mike Ditka made.
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Palmer's
attitude speaks louder volumes than his ability. Plus, he’s not that smart, the Bengals are a good team and he didn’t want to come back, it’s a gamble and the risks seem higher than the rewards
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
His degree is from the University of Southern California...
Yours? BTW the Bengals are still one of the worse organazitions in the NFL. How stupid is he for not wanting anything to do with them?
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions
There is NOTHING
wrong with graduating from Southern Utah University, I know just as much in my field as any stupid Trojan, thanks for trolling though
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Please name me some grads from SUU?
Who have done anything inportant!!!!
Fight on!!!
by FootballguruCoreyS. on Oct 18, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Steve Cyphers on NFL Network
is pretty important, I don’t agree with his politics, but Harry Reid
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
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by metalman5050 on Oct 18, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Ortons Value
I guess this really shows what the league thinks of Orton and even Lloyd for that matter.
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
Perhaps
But the Raiders didn’t have a 3rd or 4th rounder to spend either.
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You hit the nail on the head...
I don’t mean to seem self-congratulatory, but I warned people of Orton’s value since the end of last season. NFL GMs are brutal and when visions of a 1st round pick and maybe a player for Orton danced in people’s head, I told people GMs had made their minds up about him. Do I think they evaluated him too harshly? Yes. The thing is, though, they don’t seem him as a quality starter. If they did we would have had an offer of a 1st or at least a second pick for him. I thought we would do well to get a 3rd pick for him and probably would wind up with a 4-5th. I figured some GM would see value in him as an interim solution.
The truth now is they don’t see him as any better than the countless other quarterbacks who are trying to stay in the league. Players teams can get without compensation.
by Keyworthpunch on Oct 19, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
News flash to all NFL front offices: Orton is now available for two first round picks
So…who’s going to be the lucky winner?
Yea it hurts their long term future
But it really helps them in the short term. Palmer is not the greatest QB in the world, but I believe he has more upside than Campbell.
by intramural sport bench coach on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that.
Carson is a better decision-maker.
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provided he decides
he won’t quit for whatever team he plays for :)
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Palmer.........
may have the last laugh. He’s got a good running game, and they have a couple of decent, fast WRs. The Oline is getting better. Their D is not too bad.
Palmer has some upside at this point compared to what they had. Laugh a;; you want, it seems like the Faiders want to win ball games soon..
Was it worth trading away their 1st next year though?
The Raiders now have 3 picks next year. What are they going to build this team on?
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And their 2nd the following year
even with a couple of supplemental picks coming back the Raiders have essentially gutted their future not just with this trade but with the others they have made this year. They have very few picks and not much money left to maneuver. So yes Palmer will help them this year but given his recent track record the idea that he will help them for 3 yet alone 5 more years is kind of hard to fathom. Maybe it’ll be worth it just for this one year if they make playoffs and he plays great. But personally any moves like this that mortgage a rival’s future I’m all for at this point.
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Im not so sure he's gonna save their season
He hasnt been that great since 09, and hasn’t practiced in a year. Methinks they finish 8-8 this year, their win at houston was on pure emotion
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LMAO!
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In other news
I’m glad for NFL Sunday Ticket because KUTV 2 Salt Lake City (screw you Channel 2) wants to carry Quiefs and Faiders instead of Broncos and Dolphins :(
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:04 PM MDT reply actions
I toally disagree with most of the posts here. Mark my words but the Raiders will be Division champs next year and maybe go to the Superbowl. Quite possible this year too. Was this a gamble? Sure it was. A big gamble. But if it pays off it will be superbowl time. The Raiders have all the parts already except QB.
I think there is a lot of negativity about Palmer due to the fact of what went down on his former team. But he has the ability to be a big time player and he wants to win it all. I am no Raiders fan but I admire this move. Respect it.
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by Tuttifrutti on Oct 18, 2011 2:20 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Well
he has to play better than he has since Kimo von Oelhoffen plowed into his leg
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree
the raiders definitely upgraded their QB situation but they better hope this works out because they just spent their a good chunk of their life savings to get him.
This team still needed at least another solid draft or 2 before they could start making moves like this. Unless they are able to renegotiate a new contract with Palmer, his contract will hamper what they can do in FA as well.
The Raiders are improved for the moment but this and the Seymour trade are gonna come back to bite them in the coming years. You just can’t give up 4 first round draft picks for 2 over the hill players. Especially when you’ve been one of the worst teams of the decade.
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by AlbertaBronc on Oct 18, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Respect what?
Oakland traded their whole draft next year for 3 QBs, none of whom are franchise players and one of which won’t be on the roster after this year.
They are putting themselves in a position to suck mightily in 2013 and 2014, and pretty much butchered any chance they have of adding quality depth to that roster.
It’s a stupid move made out of panic and trying to buy their way to a Super Bowl. That strategy never works.
by xteve on Oct 18, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It has to be 2005, right?
I must have inadvertently stepped into a time vortex and this is the first news I’ve heard. It makes more sense than this trade.
by Rainbow skyline on Oct 18, 2011 2:46 PM MDT reply actions
2005!
Jake Plummer will lead us to the AFC Championship Game!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 18, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
It was a lot more fun to bash the Raiduhs
…When we were beating them. I hate it when they beat us and I hope Elway never let’s it happen again.
I’d be okay with 2-14 if those two wins were against the Raiduhs.
by Markpav44 on Oct 18, 2011 3:03 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
why not spend 2 first rounders on a proven QB
It isn’t like they have gotten anything, with maybe Rolando as the exception, for their last 10 or so first round picks.
I just had a really scary thought, maybe Al Jr is more insane then his father?
$.02
Game on!
Raiders going all in
I think the Raiders are trying to win the Super Bowl this year. (This one’s for Al)
They won’t but I think they are going all out now that he died.
WTG
Raiders get am elite QB can deal Cambell and or Pryor at some point for picks and what do the Broncos have? Third stringer Tim Tebow and Bears throw away Kyle Orton Bronco fans should know all about bad trades after watching the likes of Cutler and Marshall leaving and the drafting of No-Show Moreno! Wait and see what the Raiders get. If Palmer plays like his old self they will have one thing Broncos don’t- an NFL caliber starting QB!
Elite? haha
For someone whos had pretty good WRs his whole career, only once has he thrown 30+ TDs he’s had two seasons of 20+ INTs and can’t stay healthy.
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Hear! Hear! Does the Dude even WANT to play???
I thought he claimed that he had made his fortune already and just wanted to go fishing. Who says he’ll even show up to a game this year?
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by metalman5050 on Oct 18, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Career ending injury anyone?
Game one of his Raiders tenure, he tears his ACL/MCL and is out for not only this year but, most of next year. He never fully recovers and ends up being released next year. Maybe this is the Bronco fan in me..but this is what I see happening.
While I think the Raiders are dumbasses for this move
I will say the Raiders have some guts to pull the trigger on this trade, at least they didn’t have a attitude of giving up on the season.
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If Palmer is worth 2 firsts...
Is Lloyd really only worth a 6th?
Apples and Oranges, I know… but still…
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give up too much for players. Just because they do that doesn’t mean he is worth it.
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While it’s a great deal for Cincy and the Raiders paid too much, Carson Palmer will be good behind a solid OL and McFadden. The play action can be run to perfection, and Palmer has a great arm. There’s a decent chance he will tear up the Broncos secondary in his first game as a Raider. When we played on MNF, we basically played for Campbell to beat us, and not that worried he could do it, but with CP, I’m plenty worried he’ll have his way with us.
...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!
Relax Mr. Palmer!
Carson is on vacation…He left his cell phone at home…no one can get a hold of him…Out of town for the winter…sailing around the world, twice!
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Hahahahahahhaa This is awesome!
“this is a bold move even for the Undead” Ha ha, that is a great quote, nicely said!! I love it.
Whew. Boy, after reading this one I need a minute. Are you kidding me?! They gave up a 1st round draft pick (and maybe more) for Carson Palmer?! Wow! This guy hasn’t been the same since he busted up his leg in that playoff game 5 years ago. I think I’d rather have Brandon Lloyd as my QB. Ha! While it might help Oakland this year – it will go a long way to helping make sure Oakland is behind the eightball when it really matters for Denver – next year (and hopefully the next 15 years after that, too).
A first round pick for Carson Palmer?! Hahahahahahahhaha! That is awesome!
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Problem for Raiders arises in 4 years when they lose seymour and palmer to old age and have to resign all theyre your talent
and they will realize they have no more emerging cheap young talent
by Sergio AppleSeed on Oct 18, 2011 11:20 PM MDT reply actions
The problem I see is
a team that knows they are playoff “WORTHY” . Who knows what happens in 4 years unless you go back to the future?? actually The question that needs to be asked is Mr. Bowlen the next Mr. Davis???
HUGE gamble going all in like that.
Even David Garrard chose back surgery rather than play in OAK…… I feel bad that this was where Carson ended up.
As bad as I hate to say it, DHB has finally put together 3 solid games. With Ford’s and McFadden’s speed as well, Palmer may very well help this team short-term. I couldn’t see mortgaging the future for him however.
They better have a players only meeting to discuss how to keep him upright and healthy!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
Yeah he'll help...for now
but what happens to that franchise in 2-3 years? They have 3, count em, 3 picks next year, and wont have a first in 2013 if Palmer plays well. That team might be up right now, but that house is not built on a solid foundation
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Laugh if you must...
I have no idea if Palmer still has anything in the tank.
But at least Oakland is trying to acquire playmakers and win games now.
The Broncos have had barrels of draft picks.
But who exactly have the Broncos acquired in the last 4 or 5 years, via the draft or otherwise, who has actually accomplished much of anything at this point?
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