Tebow can speed his release really easily, but are coaches seeing it?
Yes, I said that and I adamantly beleive it. It would be so easy to shave 1.0-1.5 seconds off Tebow's release time and yet I've been pulling my hair wondering when we're going to see it - meaning - when are the coaches going to see it, because it's so simple that if it is discovered and corrected we'll see it on film instantly, yet it's still not present. Follow me as I quickly explain.
This all has to do with where Tebow holds the ball while dropping back or scanning the field and that's it. Nothing more. Changing it would be so easy and have such big results it would be visible on film the instant it's done, yet after a year plus, I sitll havent' seen it done.
Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not an NFL coach, but I have been around football and have H.S. coaching, scouting and training experience, so I do know a little about the game. That being said, I have to wonder, are the Bronco's coaches not seeing this?
HERE'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT...
Most QB's hold the ball while dropping back or scanning for targets at a point just in front of and slightly below their pectoral muscle (right for right handers and left for left handers). They do this while dropping back, rotating, scanning etc.. and then fire the ball from this "half cocked" position. The exceptions do exist, such as Peyton Manning, who holds he ball up higher, near or above his shoulder. This is also where Tebow can be seen holding the ball - up high.
Thing is, Peyton Manning also throws from this position. Most QB's do not. Most throw from a lower position, and a few (Tebow, Rivers and even Brees, from an even lower postion. This is the traditional "COCKED" position for most QB's. Manning's cocked position is just behind his head and ear, which is where he holds the ball.
Now Tebow holds the ball like Manning, yet throws like Rivers. Look at film of Rivers, Brees and other QB's that have a lower than traditional cocked position and you will notice that they drop back and scan the field with the ball held just in front of their lower ribs - much closer to their "cocked" position. From here, is simply FIRE!
But with Tebow, he has to go from his Manning "cocked" postion down to his actual "cocked" position and then fire. Result? Hold it high, bring it down and then bring it back up. Long, "wind up" appearance and definately added time to the release! To quote Don Henley, "are ya with me so far?"
By holding the ball lower by his ribs Tebow is already 75% cocked. At this point, it's not about where he holds the ball, but that he IS HOLDING THE BALL in the cocked position and ready to fire, instead of having to cock after making his decision.
Incidently, it also makes moving in the pocket easier as you don't have your arms up near your face. Granted, it works for Peyton, but he still looks like he's doing the "Cha Cha Cha" when in the pocket.
Changing this would not requrie endless repetitions and it wouldn't change his current motion or aim - just his release time from point of decicion to the actual firing of the ball. He still has to plant his feet for better accuracy, but his timing would improve dramatically.
It just seems to me that SOMEONE should have changed this simple, little thing. Perhaps they have visited it but decided against, but I would have to wonder why. Perpaps they've tried it and Tebow keeps doing what he's doing, but I doubt that - it's not difficult to master and doesn't require endless reps.
Now, I don't live in Denver or I'd be out at Dove Valley screaming this at the top of my lungs.
Maybe the billboard guys could get the message over? "TIM! HOLD THE BALL NEAR YOUR RIBS, NOT YOUR EAR!"
Seriously, I'm not an NFL coach and I can't proclaim to know what's going on at Dove Valley, but this would fix a lot of things and yet I have't seen it. I know TT's missed out on a lot of coaching and Gase was a receiver's coach last year, but SHEESH!!!
Just Sayin.....
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would work for him
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by hydrowardaddy7 on Oct 18, 2011 12:09 PM MDT reply actions
Nice point...wonder if we'll see them go that route with him...
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A different thought however.....
Would be, as TT learns at game speed his anticipation will improve. As he anticipates his arm will automatically rise to the level of pulling the trigger!
I love ya like brother
especially since you have Wyo in your moniker, but if you and I can see things, I guarantee you Fox, McCoy,and Gase have looked at it 100 times more. It’s great that you are payig attention though.
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My guess is muscle memory.
Tebow has been doing it this way for so long that as he is focused on reading the defenses reactions, his muscle memory reverts to what it has always done in that situation.
It would take more than a year or two to fix this issue – if it can ever be fixed.
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by ten_fiver on Oct 18, 2011 2:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Heaven forbid!
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by ShagstarOrange on Oct 19, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I am always impressed..
.. at the level of knowledge and attention to detail by our MHR fan community. Nice post. Rec’d.
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by Broncos 'n Scotch (BS) on Oct 18, 2011 2:05 PM MDT reply actions
Generally seems like good points you make, but that higher position IS what he has been coached to do
When he came out, one criticism was that he held the ball low before throwing, then dropping it below his waist, etc. One of the big changes that he was working on pre-draft, and what he continued to work on with McD, was holding the ball at a higher starting position, theoretically allowing for a quicker release – and his release is measurably and visibly quicker than it was at Florida, and doesn’t drop down as far on every pass. Not Peyton Manning fast, but less of a liability to be sure.
To double back and have him learn a third position I think would be counterproductive. So far, his arm motion/release time have not been liabilities. When he has accuracy issues, it stems often times from not setting his feet and driving through a throw. At this point, release time will shorten some with better anticipation, and I don’t see any reason to continue to drill the motion during the season. Maybe in OTAs next year, not now.
Additionally, just want to say that if there are 1.0 to 1.5 spare seconds to shave off of a quarterback’s release time, that QB has not even made it onto his varsity team. Just once, go through the throwing motion counting one-one-thousand, two-one-thousand, and see how slow that feels. We’re talking about differences in milliseconds, not seconds.
While there is potentially some time to be saved, and you make good points about the different QBs (can’t say anything about your observations since I haven’t studied it, so I’ll go with you on them), but at this point that saved seems negligible. He has already shortened his release considerably, and moved to that higher release point after being coached to. I’d much rather him keep a consistent arm motion rather than worry about changing it again and concentrate on setting his feet instead.
by penguinman831 on Oct 18, 2011 2:52 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Agreed on many points. It is my opinion that various tinkerings with his throwing mechanics have helped to degrade his basic accuracy (being able to throw the ball at the spot you want to), especially from the level it was in college to what we’ve seen this year. Of course, there are possible other factors contributing, but I’m just not seeing the same accuracy that he displayed in college, especially this year and especially in short to intermediate routes. His touch passes—screens, deep balls, fade routes—seem fine IMO.
I think with more and more reps we will see his basic accuracy improve, and I would also like to see them keep any further tinkerings to a minimum right now and wait until offseason before they try to change anything major. I’m not an expert by any means, but to my naked eye his mechanics and release look “good enough” right now to not panic about. Like you said, I don’t think there’s a spare second to be taken of his release.
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by poorboywilly on Oct 18, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
You are correct
Tebow did adjust his throwing motion to the higher position prior to his UF Pro Day. ESPN Sports Science chronicled the adjustment and backed it up with science:
Sports Science: Tebow’s Throwing Motion
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Same point, different point of view....and a question.
Some thing that has bothered me is watching his release from center. The question I have regards his drops specifically. It seemed to me on several occasions that he came from under center like a right-handed QB, then sweeps to his left hand position. I saw it several times, never happening on a play action. Can anyone confirm this? I thought I was going crazy, but I saw it with my own eyes in Dallas. I don’t remember Vick doing this, and certainly not Young. Please tell me I’m crazy, otherwise, its a huge time waste in the pocket.
You're not crazy.
I noted something irregular there as well. Maybe one of these really smart guys can clue us in.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Oct 18, 2011 6:26 PM MDT reply actions
Disagree
Hmm I appreciate the right up, and do see what your talking about…
Your right about what he does but wrong about what he should do.
Yes Tebow holds the Ball up High and then Brings it low, and then back up to pass. or as you said a windup.
Instead of recommend he hold the ball low, then keep low as 50-75% winded up, then up high to pass, He should continue working on keeping ball up high, and stop bringing it low at all. Then Just Bring it back to pass, thus eliminating the wind up at all..
Yes what you recommend would be easier, but there is a reason a QB doesn’t hold the ball low, he would fumble way to often.
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But besides all the work he did prior to pro day, Tebow hired his own qb coach (some old guru) after being drafted and was throwing over 1000 passes daily to improve his throwing motion. Dude wad riding around on his back like friggin Yoda!
I think to some degree he’s gunna throw the way he throws when he’s in game situations. Hell favre threw side arm half the time. Repetition. This will improve over time but I think too much is made of it. He’s got an outstanding awareness of who’s around him under pressure so he shouldn’t have many balls stripped. Also as he learns to read defences better and make better decisions we will see less jumped balls for picks.
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by Bucky7:15 on Oct 18, 2011 7:08 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
There is nothing wrong with Tebow's release
Absolutely nothing. It does not affect his accuracy. All this junk is made up by “experts” needing to say something to justify their paychecks.
Your post is interesting but irrelevant. You cannot change someone’s throwing motion when he gets to the pros. And you do not need to. Believe it or not Tebow came out of college with better accuracy stats then John Elway:
He needs playing time and time to get in sync with his receivers. Tebow to Decker and the Thomas duo will be epic for years to come.
by SoCalBronco7 on Oct 19, 2011 12:05 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree. There are plenty of others who have succeeded with “horrible” mechanics (Rivers, Steve Young, Favre and Staubach to name a few), while many others with “sound” mechanics fail utterly. Let it fly, Mr. Tebow, let it fly!
He’ll just have to sink or swim on his own merits… but I got a good feeling about this kid.
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