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Brandon Loyd trade, and some history to compare it to.



To preface this post, this is my first post on MHR, so if it doesn't look to pretty, keep that in mind.

Quite a few people have made the claim that the trade fleeced the Broncos, and I have not read every single reply, so I apologize if someone has already brought this up. I decided to do a little research on compensation picks, trying to find someone who we would agree is equal to Brandon Loyd's talent, and see what teams received in exchange for losing him over the off-season.

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I will begin by examining the trade.  The Bronco's are guaranteed a 6th round pick, and if Brandon Loyd makes 30 catches throughout the rest of the season, this will bump up to a 5th round choice.  Seeing as the Rams have yet to notch their first victory, we can safely assume this will be a relatively high pick in the round.  Now lets go on to examine each possibility.

If Loyd does not make 30 catches, that means he made a maximum of 48 catches (he is standing at 19 currently), and assuming he manages to maintain a 15 ypc average he would total 718 yards.  In comparison, New England lost Jabar Gaffney to the Broncos after the 2008 season.  During the 2009 season, he went on to make 54 receptions for 732 yards and 4 TD's.  This, everyone would agree, is very similar numbers. Almost uncanny.  The Patriots also lost Heath Evans, Lamont Jordan, Larry Izzo, and Lonnie Paxton that year.  They received 4 compensation picks in the 2010 draft; the 33rd and 36th pick in the 6th round, and the 40th and 41st pick in the 7th.  So, assuming the very highest pick was to replace Gaffney, the pick we received from St. Louis should be at least half a round better.

Now let us assume Brandon Loyd has a good year.  He gets around 1000 yards, which I personally would say is the most you can honestly expect, and ups the pick we receive from the Rams.  Back to 2008, the Cincinatti Bengals lost Ryan Fitzpatrick, TJ Houshmandzadeh, and Stacey Andrews.  TJ went on the next year to get 79 receptions and 991 yards, pretty similar to what can be expected would be the ceiling for Loyd this year.  They received two picks, the 33rd in the 3rd and a 33rd in the 4th.  I am not certain as to which pick was for losing TJ and which was for losing Fitzpatrick, but if we compare a early 5th to a late 3rd that's a difference of an entire round in the draft.  If we go with the second pick they recieved, the difference will most likely drop to less then ten picks overall in the draft.

To sum up my findings, if the pick does not escalate to a 5th rounder we likely received at least half a draft round higher then we would have gotten as compensation.  If the pick does escalate to a 5th rounder, and Brandon Loyd does well the rest of the year, we lose out by somewhere between a full round and a half.

All of this is based upon the assumption we do not sign a free agent WR during the offseason.  If we do, then we would receive no compensation from the league, as we replaced a lost FA with a signed FA.

And one last thing, because of the trade, we will receive this pick in next year's draft.  If we waited for the compensation pick, we would not recieve the pick until the 2013 draft.  Since we need to either load up on talent on defense, or get some trade fodder for the Luck sweepstakes (depending on how well Tim Tebow plays), this pick will help us next year, whereas losing Loyd through FA would not help us until 2013.  How much is that worth to our management?  A half round, maybe even a full round?

Hopefully I caught your attention, and I tried to stay true to what I love about MHR, and provide facts, instead of knee jerk reactions.  Now lets go win some games!

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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It's generally considered

That a pick in a subsequent years draft is worth one round less than the current pick, i.e. a 4th rounder in 2012 would be worth a 5th rounder in 2013. So, by the logic we’d not get a a compensatory pick until 2013, even if we’d have netted a 4th rounder, it would be about the same value as a 5th this year.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by go4broncos on Oct 18, 2011 7:30 PM MDT reply actions  

So if you factor this into the trade

Worst case scenario we are actually half a round ahead of the game.

Tulo, Tulo he's our man, if he can't do it.... then Herrera can?

by BroncoFanInLakewood on Oct 18, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

??

I think it is the other way around. That is why some coaches like McD traded a future #1 for a current 2nd rounder in the Elfonso deal.

by Broncos or Golf? on Oct 22, 2011 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good research BFIL!

A big rec from all of us who are to lazy to properly research.

Cheers

by Scotto on Oct 18, 2011 8:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Nicely done, rec'd.

It also benefits us that we can bundle up and trade the pick we got for Lloyd, which we couldn’t have done if it was a compensatory pick.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 18, 2011 8:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Completely forgot about that

Thank you for the reminder, just another benefit of getting the pick in a trade.

Tulo, Tulo he's our man, if he can't do it.... then Herrera can?

by BroncoFanInLakewood on Oct 18, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good Post BFIL

Thanks for the perspective

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 18, 2011 8:54 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm an engineer

So I tend to focus more on numbers and facts. Part of the reason I love this site so much.

Tulo, Tulo he's our man, if he can't do it.... then Herrera can?

by BroncoFanInLakewood on Oct 18, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Great post.

I was in the crowd that thought we got fleeced until I read this. Well done.

Oh, you were finished? Oh, well, allow me to retort!
--Jules Winnfield

by GrizBronc on Oct 18, 2011 10:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Facts, Research and Reason

far outweigh screaming, pointing fingers and puffing out one’s chest in my book. Well done, welcome and I look forward to further posts. Rec’d!

" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.

by broncomack on Oct 19, 2011 5:43 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Great Post...

I wish I had the desire to actually do some research. I love you type that lay out facts and then break them down so they are easy to understand.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Oct 19, 2011 4:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Thats what I tried to do.

Glad I met with at least some success. :)

All generalizations are false, including this one. ~Mark Twain

If we did all the things we are capable of, we would literally astound ourselves. ~Thomas A. Edison

by BroncoFanInLakewood on Oct 19, 2011 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget

This trade may also have had a lot to do with what Brandon wanted.

by Da Bum on Oct 19, 2011 7:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice post man.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???

by boydy2669 on Oct 20, 2011 5:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Good job.

My only critique is you spelled Lloyd wrong, but what the L. Speaking of Gaffney, the Broncos traded him to Washington for Jarmon, then cut Jarmon. What else did the Broncos get and how does the Gaffney trade compare to the Lloyd trade (both were very good receivers over 30 years old in the last year of their contracts)?

If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.

by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 20, 2011 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

I still think we got absolutely hosed

You say “To sum up my findings, if the pick does not escalate to a 5th rounder we likely received at least half a draft round higher then we would have gotten as compensation. If the pick does escalate to a 5th rounder, and Brandon Loyd does well the rest of the year, we lose out by somewhere between a full round and a half.”

So by trading a BL that does bad, we gain… half a round in the 6th? That’s worthless to me.
So by trading a BL that does good, we gain… negative 1.5 rounds?
Note: We are giving away a player to another team, not losing him via FA. We don’t have him for most of the season, what is that worth? We are allowing players to dictate whether they want to play with us, which is never good. (inmates running the asylum) We didn’t get a 1st and a 3rd like Dallas gave up to Detroit… On and on and on I could go… And note I haven’t made mention of any of the other myriad horrible deals our gm has done in the last few years…

by Gelder on Oct 20, 2011 9:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Good points that I agree with

I want to add that even Steve Young on ESPN yesterday mentioned that the Lloyd trade was not a good sign for Tebow. Instead of trying to support his starting, they trade away the #1 receiver he’s been successful with in the past. Another analyst, Stearling Sharpe said it was like sending Tebow into a gun fight with a pocket knife.

by drmick3 on Oct 20, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree with the inmates running the asylum summary

I don’t believe Lloyd dictated this trade. He may have had some input, but ultimately I don’t see where EFX are not running the show. I also believe this decision was made by EFX in the best interest of the team. The value of not having Lloyd for the rest of the season as a Bronco is an unknown and it is counterbalanced by the opportunity given to the other wide receivers and tight ends (including D. Thomas, who, it seems, we’ll see for the first time this season on Sunday). Arguing a negative/unknown is pointless.

" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.

by broncomack on Oct 20, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Very well stated Bmack! "arguing a negative unknown is pointless"

For all of the circus catches we see, what we don’t necessarily see is what the coaches see on film and in games that BL doesn’t or can’t do that DT (when healthy) can do. Ie… Blocking , beating press coverage , YAC…etc…
Let’s see how things work out before we determine this was a good or bad deal.

"I'm just honored and blessed to represent the Denver Broncos and will do everything in my power to help this team win games" Tim Tebow when asked how it felt to be named the starter.

by asinsoin on Oct 20, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying he dictated the trade

But if he requested, and we traded because of that, THEN that is bad. (inmate/asylum) if a guy doesn’t want to play, or wants a trade, I have no problem with shopping him or trying to accommodate. But, if the only offer is trash (say, a 6th round pick for a Pro Bowl WR) then I would say no to the trade, and “play” to the player. We did what we could, there was no value, too bad kid.

Too many people are saying we had no choice, we had to deal him, etc. This sets bad precedent. What happens if Champ, Doom, and Von get tired of playing for a loser and demand a trade?

PS I’ve seen conflicting reports re: FA compensation → is it true only FA lost that you drafted are compensated, or ALL FAs? Appreciate facts. Thanks.

by Gelder on Oct 20, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

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