Broncos Run Roughshod ... Best Chance To ...
by Tim Lynch on Oct 2, 2011 5:30 PM MDT
in Strictly My Opinion
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PrintThe defense finally got manhandled for the first time in 2011. It's a sight we saw often last season, but rather than jump off the nearest bridge with the sky falling let's just realize that this team had to be perfect to have a chance. I really think the Green Bay Packers are going to repeat this year. They are that good.
Once again, Kyle Orton struggled to find consistency and really helped the Packers jump on the Broncos throats early and it was downhill - with a slight bump in the second quarter - ever since. Once again, the Orton-led Broncos put up a paltry 17 points(23 pts, thank you Garbage Time Stud!). However, I'm not upset by that...just used to it.
The fact is, the Broncos were run roughshod and didn't have a chance really. My problem is, if the Broncos were serious about Tebow's development then why not put him in the game late to get some reps? Unless that is, they have no interest in developing Tebow at the future franchise quarterback.
I don't like this theory, but John Bena can be quite convincing. What makes him even more convincing is the bullcrap "best chance to win" lines we get from both John Fox and John Elway. How about just man up and let Broncos Country know you plan to go in a different direction next year? I only stopped watching the Broncos play every week one other time in my life as a fan and that was after Terrell Davis got injured. I started watching later that season when the Broncos finished strong and honestly, I never felt as helpless about that team as I do about this one.
What reason do I have to watch a 1-3 team that can't score on offense and isn't yet good enough on defense to consistently hold teams below twenty points a game. I feel for Kyle Orton, I really do. He seems like a really nice guy, but in this case the nice guy needs to finish last.
Tim Tebow now gives us the best chance to win. By letting Tebow run the offense, fans like me will have reason to watch again. We'll be excited and eager to see the Broncos play again. Win or lose we'll feel like this team is finally committed to the future.
As it stands right now Elway, all you are doing is wasting our time.
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I don't know if Green Bay
repeats, but I know we are still alive in divisional play. San Diego is having early season success, perhaps it’s our turn to turn the tables. Let’s take the good from this game, eliminate the bad, if possible, and work on being a good football team. This defense had no answers but who does against A-Rodge?
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 2, 2011 5:33 PM MDT reply actions
In fact, they did well
But early turnovers put a big difference too early for them to do something.
And also they stayed too much time on the field. So fatigue is a factor.
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I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Oct 2, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Sing with me now...
All we are say—ing, is give Tebow a chance. All we are say—ing, is give Tebow a chance.
by peanutbutter on Oct 2, 2011 5:36 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
rofl
yea, keep trotting out the same product and expect a different result. Never admit wrongs or try and change something that isn’t working. Always stick with your initial evaluation under all circumstances. Solid thinking.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 9 recs
No
He had his chance at the end of last season and he did great with it. I’ll take gameday production over production in drills in tshirts and shorts.
by scooter17 on Oct 2, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No he did not
He looked promising, but not a shoe-in
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
He didn't say he was a shoe in, he said he did great with his opportunity and as a rookie he really did.
He broke several records as a rookie, showed improvement, ability to come from behind and play well in the 4th quarter etc. I’d say for a rookie without 1st team reps all season that is doing pretty great with your opportunity.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 3, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure..
1 snap to RUN (and not to read the field, make his checkdown and throw) is an enough sample to consider CHANCE GIVEN!
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 2, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions
"How about just man up and let Broncos Country know you plan to go in a different direction next year?"
I think Elway did with his “top 4 things a championship team needs” list. He was speaking to any fan who would listen that the QB this team needs to be a champion again is not on our current roster. I think he’ll get us back there though. He just needs time and patience from the fans.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Then finish with "and its not Orton or Tebow".
I can respect and get behind that..
by Tim Lynch on Oct 2, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
What kind of person in Elway's job position would be stupid enough to do such a thing?
You are saying that it is not only reasonable for Elway to publicly throw one or more of his employees under the bus when he actually still needs them to finish out the season, but that is the responsible thing to do? That has got to be the stupidest thing I have seen anybody post on this site ever, and that is something because there have been some dumb things posted.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
No, but the flip side is...stop blowing smoke up my ass.
If you blow smoke, then lay it all out for all to see.
He can't responsibly do that during the season
Clearly you have not followed pro sports for very long if you see this ‘smoke blowing’ is anything but part of the business. He would get dissected to hell if he said “we have no interest in dumbing down our playbook to the most elementary of levels and telegraphing our offensive attack any more than we already do and annoying the rest of our players so we can start Tim Tebow just so the fanbase will shut the $%^& up already”. What you are asking him to do is to behave like AL Davis and treat his employees like garbage. I don’t agree with him, but I think he actually means it when he says that anyway.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
My thoughts
- Defense was bad….very bad.
- Vaughn got owned. We really missed Champ.
- Why they were letting WR go untouched off the line is baffling.
-Offense was bad….pretty bad.
- 4 turnovers is not gonna get it done.
- Why not play Tebow….I don’t think it is completely because they don’t want to develop him. I think as much as some around here claim EFX doesn’t give a hoot what the fans say, if they play him, how do they put him back in the stable with the cacophony that will be coming out of Denver. I think if the fans cared less about Tebow, he would have been taking the snaps at the end.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
If we get blasted by SD at home, then we MIGHT see Tebow.
At this point, I think we’ll see Quinn before we ever see Tebow.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Fox's house might receive the....
….“All the Right Moves” treatment if that happens. Not that I condone eggs and teepee ;)
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Please God let this be true.
anyone except Orton
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 2, 2011 10:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I still dont want to be blown out at home by a division rival
even if it means Orton’s gone. If he’s starting then I wish him the best
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Oh, look at that. They're both 2nd String.
http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html
"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances." – Thomas Jefferson
that's actually really funny
that they literally did that on the website.
i know, we're becoming a joke since we drafted tebow...
Thanks McD
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Eh
McDaniels sucked at a LOT of things. But he has shown competency in exactly 1 area: quarterbacks.
cant tell. Rams scoreboard. Broncos scoreboard
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Cassel sucks, McD made him look competent and got him a huge contract. Orton sucks, McD made him look like a freakin Pro Bowler for awhile there. Plus, we all remember the big jump 08 Orton took in 09.
Also, suddenly McD is gone and Orton is playing much worse than last year.
He had some nice play action
ran for a first down. The offense gave him a nice pocket. It’s pretty funny how many times I have seen it said we need to score 21 or more to win. We did that. Look around the league at all the QB’s having trouble, Orton is not alone. I thought the offense looked pretty good for trying to keep up with the Packers.
Go Broncos!
Sean, Kyle proved to me today that he is simply an "average" NFL
QB. Not bad, not great, just average. Which in the grand scheme of things means he’s ok if you want “competency”. Problem is we want a winner. Someone who believes they can “will” a win. Someone who forces those around them to lift their level of play because they are afraid to disappoint him. We don’t have that in Kyle. He could be a starter on 16 of the teams in the NFL right now…the bottom 16…. but that’s not where we want to be. I experienced the Steve Tensi years and the Elway years, we’re back in the Tensi yrs. again, I want back in the Elway yrs. I could have run for that first down that Kyle did, should not give him credit for doing the average thing. When was the last time we saw him do excellence? When was the last time we saw him put the team on his back and will them to a win? How many of us knew when it was 21-3 that it was over because Kyle does not bring teams back from deficits. He made a couple of underthrows that should have been touchdowns today. We have become too easily accepting of him doing the average thing and calling it a great/good thing. I’m tired of settling. I want to find out about Tebow. I know about Orton.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Oct 2, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have become too easily accepting of him doing the average thing and calling it a great/good thing
well i would not say we accept mediocrity, we really bash him for that in here, but i feel your same pain. it is painful to watch this broncos, when you just watched the 1997 and 1998 broncos.
by gabriel suarez moreno on Oct 3, 2011 5:38 AM MDT up reply actions
how come Bradford sucks right now then?
Just messing with you, it shows how little effort it takes to be devil’s advocate. Yes, let’s all be a bunch of negative schmucks shall we?
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 3, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
That's a first
I think.
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
You know...
I just want to clarify that while I disagree in part, you are dead on about the fans being the reason Tebow didn’t go in. Tebow time is coming and that’s why you saw a Tebow package early in the game. EFX can’t pull the trigger and without consequences, if we were winning and they put him in (and they are dying for that opportunity right now) then there is no problem as clearly Orton didn’t lose his job, they decided to risk their backups health instead of the starter who has secured the win already. If the Packers had already lost and they put Flynn in no one would even think Rodgers’ job security.
My opposing opinions are that the offense is far from perfect but has more than enough firepower to go toe to toe with ANY TEAM, the problem? KYLE ORTON. He looks fantastic, he makes all the right calls but with an ounce of real opposing team pressure his decision making is really suspect between the 20 yard lines. He just doesn’t have the ability to consistently win games we couldn’t win with any decent QB. That makes him useless sadly. This whole best chance to win thing is ridiculous because even if Tebow isn’t the guy, I saw enough to know he’ll win the games we would win with any decent QB. I also know that he automatically wins the better chance debate because of the extra dimension he brings to the game.
The defense was obviously weakened with Bailey out and against Rodgers some errors are expected. That pass rush would have rattled any other QB in this league, Rodgers was phenomenal in this game and I think he probably is the most precise passer in the league today and the only thing I could really hope is that the Broncos go get a cb good enough to supplant Bailey when he’s out and preferably take over the starting job opposite Bailey when he’s healthy.
P|L|H
by Love Hope Hero on Oct 2, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Head coach and the front office have to grow a pair
and not worry about the politics of taking Orton out. I’m very disappointed in how they are playing this. If you can’t win…step aside. Period. I love Elway and believe with all my heart he will be a good President but he and Fox have to do something bold now to begin to see if Tebow is the answer.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Oct 2, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
And that is so easy to say when it is not your job or future
Once that genie is out of the bottle, there is no putting the cork back on. Tebow will either win or lose his job. If they believe that either he or the team is not ready, they would be doing both a disservice. What happens if Tebow struggles (like most young QBs do)? Do they draft a replacement next year? Is that a fair shot?
Understood Da Bum, but 1-3 with a veteran QB
will lose you your job also. The team has shown it’s not ready to win w/ Orton then either, they need to give Tebow some experience. Orton is gone anyway.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Oct 3, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Fox is not in jeopardy any time soon
He took over a profoundly untalented and underperforming team with no offseason to speak of. The draft went well and our D looks way improved (granted not ready for the champs just now…). I do not see him in the hot seat for at least another year and probably two. I also do not see us underpeforming and continuing to bleed talent for that duration either, so I think Fox will be fine for a while. The point is that if Fox feels that Tebow or the team is not ready, regardless of fan sentiment, it is a disservice to Tebow to play him. The absolute worst thing that can happen for Tim Tebow is to get forced into a situation that he is not yet ready for and have it go awry. If he is the player we all hope he is, he will show some of that when he gets on the field. It would be terrible if the team underpeformed because he or they were not ready and we had to go into the draft with serious concerns. We are no where near the “Suck for Luck” that some advocate (cannot believe I can even type that without hurling all over my keyboard). If Fox delays Tim’s start for a few games, then regardless of the outcome, Tim will get another shot next year. If he starts him now, he may be great, but he could fail miserably and if Fox believes he is not ready yet… I want to see Tim play, but if it means a better opportunity, I have suffered a long time with Orton and we are not likely to be headed to the post season this year… what is few more weeks.
Wow! That was some straight shooting
Old fashioned honesty right there and I am 100% with you.
by John in Castle Rock on Oct 2, 2011 5:40 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I think it's worse if you just throw Tebow in "to get reps"
If they want to just give Tebow reps they’ll do it in practice. I think Tebow has a better chance getting into the game in a blowout where we are winning than he does when we are getting blown out.
That game was on Fox, the offense, and the defense. We are not a team built to take on a team like the Packers. We need a slower paced game. Our offense is simply not explosive.
The defense got shredded, but against the Packers I’m willing to take the hit and move on.
Mostly, I was upset that our offense at no point started to really spread out the field and attempt to really throw the ball downfield consistently. This game was given up on after Fells dropped the ball.
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
Why is it a bad thing to throw him in to get reps? Game time speed is way different then practice and it's what he needs to work on
We had nothing to lose literally at that point, it shows a lack of intent to develop young talent, which is not okay with me. It seems like Fox has his own stubborn agenda and he’ll stick to it regardless of success, which is scary.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree
If you are really afraid of slowing Tebow’s progress as implied, I would counter that what is happening is hurting him to a much greater degree, and add that I believe it is being done by design.
Not gonna get reps in practice
During the regular season, the starting QB gets 90% of the reps. That’s just the way it goes. Tebow isn’t going to get serious reps in midseason practice unless he’ll be the starter.
I have no faith in John Fox last year.
It’s starting to seem like hiring the only coach with a worse record then McDaniels last year wasn’t the smartest idea.
I'll give some time...
….but what a whiplash reaction to take a coach that is the extreme opposite as McD. But of course, without more time, my comment is a bit of a whiplash too. Maybe their is happiness in taking the middle ground as opposed to extremes when it comes to coaches.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
If we had started 3-1 like many had talked about us having the chance to do Fox and Orton would be given a ton of credit
Since we’re 1-3 they deserve equal backlash imo, Fox needs to pull his head out of his * and stop being so stubborn. You can’t fix a mistake if you refuse to admit it first, Fox is becoming a big problem on this team and it scares the hell out of me to think we could’ve made 2 bad HC hires in a row.
"You can't fix a mistake if you refuse to admit it"...
….I’m glad my wife hasn’t figured that out yet about marrying me.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
or mine ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Did she marry Bonair too?
I can see Russia from my house.
The sky is falling..the sky is falling..lets change EVERYTHING!!
by myerda00 on Oct 2, 2011 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not Everything
Just the QB who has lost 20 of the last 26 games he has started. I like Orton, but it I’d time.
by VC Orange Crush on Oct 2, 2011 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I cannot imagine
What Mile High will be like next week when the Chargers come in.
If Rivers and SD drives down the field and we fall behind early. Fox and Elway will understand clearly how the Bronco fans feel about this lame duck QB situation.
Like you said Tim, we have seen this act and sadly we have gotten quite used to it.
I found myself switching back and forth to the Raiders/Patriots game, something I would never had done before.
Bet chance to win my rear
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I think Fox made it clear he's gonna choose to be stubborn at all costs by not playing Tebow in garbage time at the end there.
No other explanation. If we planed on making a switch to Quinn or Tebow, we would have seen one of them get some reps there.
so why didn't McD play him
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions
well McD did have a plan for Tebow going forward
and he did use him to make up for part of Orton’s ineptitude by playing him in the red zone.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
partly true but mostly to the point.... if Tebow had impressed ANYBODY ...ANYBODY!! He'd be in there!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whid,
according to the polls on various sites, he did impress the fans, to no avail with the staff. Therefore, your not being impressed (I think) really doesn’t count either. The point is that the staff has made a decision….right or wrong…..just like when McD was here, there some complaints about those decisions, and they are growing each week. To my point (finally)..your statement makes no sense to those that were impressed by his play last year.
the reverse actually is the case and it can't be argued.
screw what the fans think.
my statement remains FACT.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
haha what?
Lots of people have pointed out that your “statement” is wrong, and you ignore them all.
Whid
So sorry I tried to have a dialogue. My mistake. Had I come back to read this response earlier, I could have saved myself time and effort later, as it is apparent that you really do not care what ANYBODY else thinks. (Yeah, I can capitalize that word also).
Damn I meant Anybody that mattered.... thought that went without saying
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
as do yours
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Whidbey, Please point out the factual part of your statement.
I could not draw fact from it. That way you can argue it. Itbdoes seem to be opinion from what I have read.
by VC Orange Crush on Oct 2, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions
last year is in the past
Everything is based on this year now, under the new staff. The only thing that is still the same is the fanbase. What Tebow did last year means little if he didn’t do anything to impress them this year, the only year they have been here.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
by boanst on Oct 3, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well here is the sad truth for me
We are a bad organization. We let a young coach run an organization beyond his skill set and abilities. His GM had no spine and threw him under the bus after he left. We have had a good draft. Our front office fueled a lot of this despair by trying to trade Orton, then swearing he was the best chance to win. That dichotomy I think has led to much of the diversion of the fan base.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I don't think McD had a plan for Tebow
I think Tebow was another McD knee-jerk reaction and once the Chosen One gets some real playing time, not garbage games at the end of the season, we’ll see just how far Tebow is from an NFL QB. There was a reason McD signed Orton to a fat contract extension through 2012 and there’s a reason he didn’t start him last year even the season spiraled out of control.
Actually that's a tad more understandable
McD was desperately coaching for his job and Orton was playing well for at least half of last season. A rookie QB is always going to struggle too, and McD needed to win right away.
Given that McD frequently used him in goal-line situations and spoke highly of him, it was pretty obvious that McD had plans for him. Also – remember he only gave Orton a 1-year extension. That was the biggest tell for me that McD was using Orton as a stop-gap.
answered above
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions
That's funny
to me. I had to erase my response, which initially was exactly the same. (Hope you understand, whid)
All this game proves is how far behind a team like Green Bay we really are. We were demolished in every facet of the game, except rushing when the Packers were without their starting RB. A QB change does nothing right now but tell the other 52 players on the team that their season doesn’t matter anymore. Do I want to see Tebow? Sure. But, at this point, it’s blatantly obvious we’re still gonna lose. And I don’t care if playing Tebow makes a game more entertaining. A loss is still a loss in my book no matter how entertaining it may be, especially because the Broncos have lost 23 out of the last 30 games. They aren’t talented enough as a team to win many games, even with Tebow as QB. What happens when Tebow makes a rookie mistake? Or a mistake that costs the team the game? Are we all gonna be calling for Quinn? At this point, I don’t care who the damn QB is. Every single week it’s “Orton sucks. Play Tebow, he’s the future.” Well guess what? The rest of the team isn’t very good either. If you’re going to boycott games, do it because the TEAM hasn’t done enough to win games, not because of Orton.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 5:51 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Orton isn't under contract next year, name 1 thing we have to gain by starting him.
You said yourself we lose regardless, why not lose while trying to find out what we have in Tebow and try and let him prove himself and get better. We know what Orton is and that isn’t changing. It’s irrational to argue Orton stay in at this point.
If they really believe in Tebow, add more talent around him and give him the starting job right out of training camp next season. If they really think they can develop him like they seem to think, thats what they need to do. Playing him now just essentially tells the rest of the team to give up because they would be playing for the future, not this year. It would give them no reason to give any effort. They’ll get paid either way, so if the FO and coaches give up, why wouldn’t they? And that would be no help to Tebow’s development at all. So, draft more talent, sign some free agents, and give him the reigns at the start of next season. THAT would show that they really believe he can be the future for the Broncos.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 6:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The Problem
with this line of thinking is that we really don;t know what we have in TT yet. If he is a bust, then we have just wasted another year figuring that out. If he plays now and plays terribly, we can all move on.
We know what we have TT, a QB that couldn’t beat Brady Quinn out right for the #2 slot and wasn’t even close to pushing Orton.
And the Pats knew what they had in Brady when they started Bledsoe ahead of him
And the Falcons knew what they had in Favre when Glanville refused to ever start him…
And the Bucs knew what they had in Steve Young when….
You get the point?
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
by Kgrone on Oct 2, 2011 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you! +1
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
that still means Orton completely blows. So how is the a thank you moment. Orton is as pitiful as Vaughn, Beadles and Vickerson.
Elvis, you need to play once in a while to earn that mega contract of yours.
Don't forget Alphonso Smith ;-)
I know he is gone but he is all time “favorite”
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
How does it tell the team the season doesn't matter anymore?
You wouldn’t be putting in a guy who’s never played before and/or never has won a game. You’d be putting in a guy they ALL responded to very well last year. You’d also be saying that 1-3 or 1-4 (next week) with a poor performance on your part ISN’T OK, even IF you’re a “successful,” established veteran and that others had better pick up their efforts as well.
How is that giving up on the season?
by Sinthor on Oct 2, 2011 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because it might remind the players that we have lost 21 of the last 28 games.
They don’t want
the potential negative to be brought up. Right now, we are just 1-3, still in the playoff chase!!
by VC Orange Crush on Oct 2, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
i don't remember the rest of the team sucking any less when Tebow played
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
It's not Ortons play as much as his timing...
…I mean, that first pick six took my breath away. We were behind, but our D was holding up against an offense that, well, you see waht they did to us. Surely that took some wind out of their sails, not to mention out of their lungs when they are out there. Just like the Raiders, just like Tenn, and almost like Cincy.
Orton throws a great ball, like sime today (the Fells drop must have killed him) he just throws his bad ones at the worst possible time.
Rght now I’m more worried about Fox, what possible logic was there in keeping Tebow out at the end? He can’t be worried about injuring him – he sent him up the middle on the first play. Stubbornness? Say it isn’t so, coach.
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
by tonks on Oct 2, 2011 5:53 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
It's pure stubborness by the front office at this point
They see the same game we do. They see the same mistakes we do. It’s clear that Fox doesn’t want to put the effort into developing Tebow, and Elway doesn’t want to overrule Fox.
Playing Tebow once to run a draw up the middle was definitely a statement by Fox. He’s going to go down in flames playing the guy he wants to play, and that guy is Kyle Orton, no matter how awful he plays or what the end results are.
I give this one more week before it gets even uglier. If the Broncos get tooled this hard by SD in front of their own fans in their own house, Pat Bowlen will be looking at his team getting booed at home, a half empty stadium at halftime and probably losing his home sellout streak at some point this year.
It’s a shame it had to come to this. EFX are responsible for allowing things to get to this point by not trading Orton in the offseason. They made this mess, now it’s up to them to own it.
by xteve on Oct 2, 2011 5:54 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
QB was the difference in the game
Pass protection ours as good as their’s
Running game ours better than theirs
Run defense ours better than theirs
Pass rush even
Pass defense theirs better than ours but we had receivers open all day
QB play theirs best in the league ours near the bottom
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
by oldcoachB on Oct 2, 2011 5:56 PM MDT reply actions 4 recs
again quotes from fox
when asked about the Tebow package and not using it more he said "well we ran it once and lost yardage"
“i thought our offense was very impressive except for the turnovers”
by Bronco Mike on Oct 2, 2011 5:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow, Fox is a disaster hire so far. That's such a bull**** statement.
What disrespect to Tim and the fans that watched the game.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think three interceptions and fumble
is impressive don’t you?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Oct 2, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
if it's from your defense
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
that's why he said "except for the turnovers"
read
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I thought the Broncos last season were impressive, except for the losses.
Does the fact that I said “except for the losses” mean that we really DID have a great season last year?
Coach Fox is a genius, except when he’s not.
The Broncos are going to the Superbowl this year, but only if they win tickets.
by NuggBuckets on Oct 2, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
This gave me a good laugh.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Except for anything that went wrong were would be undefeated
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
This statement makes me borderline angry
Looks an awful lot like setting someone up to fail and then saying I-told-you-so. Ridiculous.
by scooter17 on Oct 2, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hate to say I told you so, but "I told you so..."
I was so bummed when we did not get Harbaugh. Now look at what we are seeing happening. And the niners have a less talented team… Not entirely Elways fault, Harbaugh wanted to stay in the bay area, but still…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Oct 2, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions
That's the only tone to use for Fox. Reverse psychology.
Tell Fox he lacks courage if he doesn’t cut Tebow and Quinn and Weber at the same time.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
by margabelle on Oct 2, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's what stands out:
- You can no longer defend Kyle Orton. Yes, 3 TDs is pretty good. But 3 INTs is not so good. Please, put this all in perspective: This is one of the WORST pass defenses in the league. A veteran QB should be able to put up decent numbers. Orton is a joke.
- Miller is going to be one of the best defenders we have. Great draft, EFX.
- Stubbornness is rampant. This regime reminds me of McD with Hillis. We’re down by four TDs in the 4th quarter and you don’t play your No. 1 draft pick from last year? The one who scored 7 TDs in three starts?
- Green Bay’s greatness only goes so far. Yes, they are the best team in the NFL. But when our offense can only put up 21 points against the worst pass defense, you can’t make so many excuses.
yup
May all the gods defend him from injury, because that is the only thing between he and the Hall of Fame.
No excuses for Orton
But a point of clarification: Green Bay ranks (in pass defense):
22nd in points per game allowed
29th in yards per game allowed
4th in interceptions
8th in sacks
Seems like they give up lots of yards, but they also take the ball away & get pressure on the QB really well.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Sounds like a defense used to facing...
…teams forced to throw a bunch to catch up. Reminds me of our glory days.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
thanks for the actual stats
but i’m not sure how saying 22nd in ppg and 29th in ypg detracts from my point. that’s horrible.
A fanbase is willing to forgive losses for a while
If there’s a sense that the team is at least building towards something.
Playing a guy who’s a FA at the end of the year isn’t building towards anything. The fact that said guy has been terrible more than he’s helping is just gasoline on the fire.
I watched Matt Hasselback take apart the Browns today. Hass is pretty close to done, but as a vet QB he is everything Orton was supposed to be but is not. He makes heady plays, keep his team in the game, doesn’t beat himself with dumb mistakes. When was the last time anyone could say that about Orton? Forget about the opponent, the guy beats himself every week at least 2-3 times a game, and an offense like ours can’t overcome those mistakes.
by xteve on Oct 2, 2011 6:01 PM MDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
Well said, sums up my feelings very well. It’s hard to watch a coach that’s defying logic and reason in his decision making, and instead choosing stubbornness, I thought we got rid of the child at HC last year?
yeah but if we had a running game.....
oh yeah we ran ok today never mind ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
"Playing a guy who’s a FA at the end of the year isn’t building towards anything."
It is if your plan is to resign that free agent to a contract extension and keep him as your starter…
God, I really depress myself sometimes.
Kyle Orton apologist
sorry, your opinion is now invalid. We’re heading for 1-5. Orton is done in Denver
by Scotty Payne on Oct 2, 2011 6:02 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Wish i could agree.
But i don’t think Fox has any intent on sitting Orton any time soon. He would’ve gotten Brady or Tim some reps late today if not. I think he’s gonna be stubborn and live or die(hopefully not) with him.
Fox will get a talking to next Sunday
Right after the Denver fans tell Pat Bowlen their opinion about where this franchise is headed. Then Pat will talk to John and John will talk to Mr. Fox.
And hat in hand John Fox will crawl over to Tim Tebow and say you have two weeks to get ready. Then Kyle will say he isn’t going to cry over spilled milk and the fans are last on his list to impress.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I hope but really doubt it. Fox will just say the bye is a great opportunity for Kyle to correct his mistakes and play better ball.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 3, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
This stubborness is sickening. Will Fox change his ways or are we doomed to watch him ride out the same product
for a couple years til we promote Dennis Allen or make another attempt at a hire?
This FO DOES NOT BELIVE in Tebow and will not play him even if it means alienating the fan base. Im tired of arguing that we at least should see if TT can play or not. Play mister INTERCEPTION and pray Luck falls to the Broncos other than that this season is OVER!
by BGBronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:04 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
kyle has 8td 6int so far
26th in the league passer rating now behind matt freaking cassell—-palm to head
by Bronco Mike on Oct 2, 2011 6:05 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
But he gives us the best chance to win.
And it seems Fox would rather lose games then admit fault in Orton.
and the same record this year
Kyle Orton is the Tin Man....No heart, can't move and the oil can is too far away!
fans can be shortsided i agree
but if the plan wasnt tebow or orton, then let one go before the season. doesnt make sense to play a starter 8 mill and the backuo another 8 mill.
they are just playing this situation by ear and doing a crappy job of it.
From the NFL
#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is 1st player in NFL history w/400+ pass yds, 4 pass TDs + 2 rush TDs in same game
hes my fantasy qb, got me 60 haha
The way cam newton has been playing, he will do that at some point too.
If you change the 4 passing TD's to 2
You’re right, Cam will probably do that eventually. If you notice, he’s throwing for a LOT of yards, but not that many touchdowns.
Wow,,,super glad I missed this game!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
you know exactly how KO played though.
And Fox is proving he may be worse this year then he was in Carolina! Fun stuff today.
Yep.....a big group of us been saying we had huge doubts on Fox...sucks to be right on this one.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
so did the Broncos
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
OF COURSE
fans can be shortsided. But you should NEVER make decisions in a vacuum. when the people who pay your bills start losing interest, you’re in big trouble. it’s not like this is our first bad year in a decade. we haven’t had a good year in a LONG time. everyone on this site is loyal, whether you like fox, elway, tebow, quinn or moreno. the point is, enough is enough.
PLAN
for the future. the fact they didn’t play tebow when we’re down by four TDs in the 4th quarter speaks volumes about where we are, and what our FO is.
They are planning for the future.
The future franchise quarterback that is just waiting to be drafted.
and then what do they do? Start Orton until he's ready? We know about how Fox likes to start his young QBs :)
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 3, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree 100% with your take
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
want the broadstrokes boydy?
von 2 sacks
rodgers 6 total td
orton 3 int including early pick six
orton 2 garbage td with huge deficits
I love Von Miller
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Thanks Mike....Von must be cursing his luck we did not take Dareus...feel sorry for him.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Nope
The pick 6 came when the game was close early on.
the pick six was followed by a TD
following an onside kick!
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
14 points before we ever touched the ball
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Specifically..7-3 and looking good, then the pick, then 21-3 before we ever touched the ball.
Most embarrassed by the onside kick…high school teams do that better than we did.
Don't use facts, it upsets the narrative
22/32, 273 yards, 3 td/3 int. Should have been 4 td’s, but Orton sucks because Fells can’t hold on to a ball. Worst. QB. Ever.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 2, 2011 9:25 PM MDT up reply actions
And it should have been 4 interceptions
when he threw the ball AGAIN to Woodson who AGAIN jumped underneath the route but didn’t hold on.
Orton is great at throwing the ball to specific spots… it just doesn’t seem to matter whether that spot is occupied by his receiver or a defender.
by NuggBuckets on Oct 2, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Only One Orton TD Was in Garbage Time
Orton’s second TD pass cut the lead to 21-17. Let’s at least state facts when disparaging a player.
by RSH089 on Oct 2, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow...ground hog day......Maybe we need a bigger bill board to add Fox's name!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
me too love all mexican food ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Note to Fox:
When the other team plays their back-ups… play yours as well.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Darn he missed that memo ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Sad sad sad.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Not sure he ever heard of it either
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Not sure...
how many people who comment here have season tickets (and therefore actually put their money where their mouth is), but i have a thousand choices on where to spend my money. i spend it on the broncos, not because they win or lose, but because i am loyal. however, blind loyalty to ANYTHING is ridiculous. i stayed loyal during the the mcdaniels years, and actually used to defend him. but as a loyal fan who spends my hard=-earned money on this team (as opposed to watching them at home for free) i am fed up with the decisions the FO is making. i don’t know more than them, that’s for sure. my days are spent on my business, not football. but how long do the execs of the team expect me to wait for Fox to learn what we all already know????
here here
i supported mcd for a while too…not this time gonna call a skunk a skunk as soon as i smell it
Apparently at least one more week (or is that one more weak) ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
This season ticket holder is annoyed
There were quite a few empty seats at the last home game against the Bengals. I hate to think about how many no shows there will be against the Chargers. If Tebow was given a start at least it would be entertaining to root for the future of the Broncos.
I too am a season tix holder
Next Sunday will be my last I attend this year unless they make a change.
and how about you, cskilly?
do you actually spend money on the team, or just sit home and watch them for free and comment on the decisions the FO makes?
Whidbey...
Did you enjoy watching Orton today?
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
That is why I asked.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
actually I'm ready for Tebow... My FEAR is that he's going to suck so badly that the game won't be watchable...
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Good...
then goooosefraba. Relax on the backlash my man.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
What are you going off of to think Tebow will be that bad other then what you've heard outta training camp
because his last 3 games were much better then Orton’s 4 this year.
As bad as Orton is...
if Tebow had impressed ANYBODY …ANYBODY!! He’d be in there!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not interested in reposts
Are YOU interested in seeing Orton anymore?
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
no
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Cling onto that.
Even if he is as bad as KO, at least we can know and move on, we have literally nothing to gain by keeping Orton at starter, it’s sad to watch such stubbornness.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's my thinking though - if he DOES suck badly
That’s not the worst thing in the world right? It makes it crystal clear to us that we must draft a QB, and in the meantime we get a high draft pick from a loss (a loss we probably would’ve gotten with Orton anyways).
THIS is why I want to start Tebow. There’s literally no downside. If he’s great, awesome!! If he sucks a little, well that’s expected from a 3-game starter. If he sucks a lot, then we get a high draft pick and we use it on a QB.
I’m fine with any of those outcomes, especially since we’re going to be losing a lot this season anyways.
Agreed.
I was all for trading Orton.
I was all for seeing what we had in Tebow…
Hell I AM for that….
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Is Tebow being set up to fail by the team then?
If he is not given adequate practice and thrown on the field and fails, what will we learn?
I wouldn't go that far
Though it sure felt like it today.
What Tebow needs is to be declared starter for a game and given a full week of 1st-team reps,and let him go for a minimum of 8 straight weeks. Accept that struggles will happen (see: Gabbert and Dalton today for examples), but look for progress.
If he gets all of that and shows no signs of progress for the season, stuff him on the bench and draft a QB in the 1st round next year. If he shows signs, draft a DT in the first round and declare him starter going into next year.
It’s really that simple.
it's seeming like that may be a realistic possibility
which is scary that our team’s actively working against players to get their own agenda’s across. Scary stuff if we don’t see some major changes and soon.
stupid
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions
which? the statement or the action it implies?
Fox’s post-game statement (as reported in the thread, I have not listened yet) ) when asked about Tebow reeks of setting someone up to fail. My apologies if it was not relayed accurately.
the statement
why would we want somebody to fail in a position where we’re so weak as QB?
Idiotic thing to say.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Hmm......
just clarifying. I would have made a revuttle if I had gotten a civil response. However, you seem to be having trouble understanding where anybody is coming from today, so why not this time also. But, as I have now posted above, this attempt at dialogue is over. Have a good night, whid.
i'm sorry. maybe i'm the idiot... it happens ...albeit rarely
I’m drunk. angry.
I mean no personal offense
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
haha it's a conspiracy
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I have two reasons I don’t want to see Tebow start
He has not clearly earned the backup spot. I don’t give a damn what the official roster says, he’s the #3 QB. If they bench Orton and they will if we lose to SD at home next week, Quinn deserves his shot.
Tebow starts and doesn’t play well, the same insane fan base screaming for the third string QB will blame the coaching staff for not creating the prefect offense tailored to Tebows special gifts. Whatever
They are 2 non sensical reasons...just saying...
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Totally agree with that
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
when we turn into san diego
and you have 5,000 no-shows a day and TV blackouts, maybe they’ll get it. by then, sadly, it will be too late.
i wil be there
once again. spending money on tickets and food and beer. but i will not cheer for everything the team does. i will be the one yelling for tebow when orton throws his third INT
Boo Orton nice and loud for me. I sold my ticket to a charger fan intentionally so that there's one less Bronco fan there.
FO want’s to play stubborn and cheap, so will I.
FO doesn't care if the stadium is full of Charger Fans.
They make their money either way. The best move is to eat the ticket.
Life's too short for bad tone!
I'm not a season ticket holder
But I will be there next Sunday too. First pro football game my 8 and 12 year old boys will have ever been too. I’m sad it will be to watch Orton play.
fox post game comment stated Orton is his starter, never even THOUGHT of playing Tebow
“because Orton’s the starter”. Yet he made 4 or 5 defensive subs at the end? What the hell is he talking about, this is some serious BS, and i’m not gonna stand by and have faith in a guy that’s clearly a joke at this point in terms of the QB situation.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 6:22 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Go Broncos!!!!!!
I watched today’s game with a few Hard Core Broncos fans and a BUTTLOAD of cheeseheads…. in FULL regalia
A fan stays to the end.
The pain has set in….
We’re going to be suffering for awhile but still…
GO BRONCOS!!!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
Please.............
Not last year again. Each week saying I won’t watch this trash anymore, but tuning in to see if maybe, just maybe something might change. Watching the last minutes of the game tick away hoping to catch a glance of the future, and only getting more frustrated and sad at the state of this organization. Seeing glimpses of good things, followed by the same old result. I never watched Tebow in college, and I don’t know squat about his history at Florida. I do know what happens to the crowd when he is in the game, even at practice. The entire atmosphere changes and you can feel the difference in the fans, the players, and the opponents. I like John Fox and think he brings a toughness to this team, but I will promise you this. If Tebow does not see the field in a significant way in the next two weeks this fan base and this city will revolt.
by zman18b on Oct 2, 2011 6:27 PM MDT reply actions 5 recs
This loss was not on Orton
I’m a Tebow supporter, but there is no way Tim would’ve won us THIS game. We were owned across the board. Our D did not stand up. They are better than last year, but not good enough to go against GB yet. With the rest of our team, I doubt any QB could win this game, even Brady or Rodgers himself.
And by the way, this pink scheme is really tough on my eyes. I get it that it’s for a cause, but it just is too much to look at.
Not expecting a win...
But expect an FO and a HC that will try to make improvements when they are there to be made. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that KO is our future. Why is he still our starting QB then? That is all I’m asking. Let’s see if Tebow can show us something to build on. If not then we know we need to look elsewhere. Starting KO is showing us nothing, and is not winning us games.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
That wasn't what I was hammering at.
I don’t think Tebow will even win more games necessarily…maybe even. Point is, we’re bad so why not let us know you are playing for the future?
I am really starting to think....
….this is a money thing (not wanting to hit his escalators). Sad days at Dove Valley if this is true.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
A lot of purses are getting tighter all over the country and around the globe
Sport is not immune. In fact, I believe professional sport is a bubble, with salaries and especially franchise values inflated way beyond what fundamentals dictate. Many top franchises in pro sports (not just football) run losses and are supported by money pumped in by owners year in-year out. And still franchises are valued many times more than a decade ago, now in hundreds of millions. Highly inflated values allow owners who are not multi-billionares to borrow against the equity in the franchise.
Say someone bought a team 20 years ago for $30M and now it is valued at $300M. He can easily borrow $100M against the value of the team and spend it on salaries, even if team loses money. But just like with housing market, a day of reckoning will come to pro sports. Struggling economy can’t support high entertainment spending for long. NFL and NBA countered by expanding their international footprint so they can compensate with foreign money. It let them roll for a while as more and more people abroad watch the games. But when world economy struggles, this expansion, too, will slow down. And then the bubble will pop. A few franchises will be bankrupt. As a result, I predict that current NFL labor deal will not live for the agreed 10 years, but will have to be renegotiated in the later years to reduce the salaries.
Dude, it's Sunday!
How does your brain keep ticking like that on a Sunday? Nice answer, though.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
It's late Sunday for me
I go to work early on Monday, so by late Sunday I’m already starting to switch out of the weekend mood.
Sorry for sounding so gloomy.
On the international expansion front
This year’s Wembley game between the Bears and Bucs has so little demand for it that they are already discounting tickets by up to 40%. In years past ticket demand has been over subscribed by up to six fold.
Your point on global economic downturn on the NFL product is accurate.
I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet
by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 3, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I think the newness of the thing has worn off as well
I just don’t see the demand over there for it. Sure it was cool for a while and there are certainly fans of football in places other than the US but not like there are here.
It was like a dare for the offense....
….“The D can’t stop the Pack Attack”. “I say we turn it over when we get it and see if we can actually get one of our D to pass out from exhaustion!”
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
I don't understand
this line of reasoning. Please help me understand (I’m not being facetious). The point isn’t if we could have won this game. It’s about looking forward, and seeing what we have (or don’t have). I have come to expect losses. However, I don’t want to see us regress as a team. Green Bay is obviously the best team in the league. When your offense can only put up three TDs against a terrible pass D (and yet perform respectively against the No. 1 rush D), something is wrong. I want to see signs that we are getting better. Does three INTs signal to you that we’re gettin better?
Does anyone remember when...
a Broncos loss would ruin your whole week? When you’d go over every crucial play in your head at work on Monday, wondering “what if?” Those days are long gone. I now get upset for a few hours and then forget, excited for the next game but not expecting much. How sad.
I dont even care anymore...i am at the laughing embarrassingly stage....have been bar for 3 games last year.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
No, the sad part is going into EVERY week expecting to lose. Never been there in my life as a Bronco fan.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
Yep
I’ve never entered games expecting to lose. Even last year I thought we would win every game. I’ve lost all confidence. Last year we had a competent QB (Orton w/McD). This year we have a much worse QB (Orton w/o McD).
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
I spent two years overseas...
and I would wake up at 3 a.m. to watch the Broncos game in Asia. Every damn game while McD was coach. Now I’m back in the U.S., and it’s the same ol, same ol. Really, Elway? You expect to have fans like me – who pay $1,400 for season tickets and get up to watch EVERY game while living in Korea – to stay around after putting out a consistently bad product, making horrible decisions, and not playing a 1st round pick who has shown he can actually play? I’m sick of the people who don’t actually put out any money on tickets and jerseys, etc. saying how we should all give the new FO a chance. I’m willing to do that, but I won’t spend my money if I see a terrible product year after year. I will sit at home and support the team emotionally, eating chili and defending orton, a d then wonder why the games are blacked out.
Haha...
I had an uncle (the man who got me hooked on the Broncos 25 years ago at the age of 6) who boycotted the Broncos after they traded Cutler until McD was gone. I couldn’t understand it. I thought he had lost it.
Now I understand. They will not receive another dime of my money until KO is gone.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
Kyle Orton has got to have something on Fox
I’m guessing some nswf pics or something. Maybe a foot fetish video? Orton has to be one of the most ineffective players on the team. His pick six today sealed the game today.
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by Albuquerque on Oct 2, 2011 6:30 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
He offered to sell them to Rex Ryan ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Networking is good. The more teams we can get interested in Orton, the better.
That’s a step in the right direction, if you ask me, especially since he has one foot out the door, anyways..
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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Gotta admit...
The only reason I watched today’s game was because it was reported that the Tebow package was going to be used. (sigh)
Then Fox said after the game he didn't use Tim again because he was ineffective.
What a joke. It’s becoming real clear that we may have screwed up on hiring a real HC again.
Which Coach Would You Have Hired?
No offense to Tim Tebow or his throng of fans, but there aren’t many coaches in the NFL that believe in the guy—whether that is fair or not.
Dungy speaks highly of him, Gruden speaks highly of him and there are others.....
These are former SB winning coaches. I’m sure there are plenty of potential head coaches who would be willing to at least give a guy a chance when you have the 27th rated QB in the league ahead of him. When Fox was hired he said it would be an open competition and that everyone would be given a shot. Tebow (and Quinn) have not been given a fair shake.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
Problem is Those Guys Don't Want to Coach
And it’s easy to praise a guy while sitting in a television booth or studio than putting your coaching reputation on the line.
All I'm saying is there has to be some coordinator out there who would've given him a chance for them to get a chance at a HC job.
I was excited about Fox, but I have serious questions about whether he was the right pick now.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
regardless of who likes Tebow
We know no one seriously wanted to pony up for Orton in an offeseason that a quite few teams wanting QB’s
So while its easy to critique Tebow, the other side of the fence is quite disturbing as well
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Exactly
Donovan McNabb, Kevin Kolb, Matt Hasselbeck, and Tarvaris Jackson(!) all got picked up, and none of their respective teams even inquired about Orton’s status (as far as we know). That speaks volumes IMHO.
by SFV Bronco Fan on Oct 3, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
maybe we can ask the same question about Ort
and no offense the Ort or his throng of fans…At least we do know that nobody wants Ort. We will see if anyone wants Tebow and Quinn in a few short months
There's a Curse Hanging Over the Denver Broncos
That curse started when Jake Plummer was benched in 2006 when Denver had a record of 7-4. The Broncos are 30-43 since benching Plummer and have not been to the playoffs since. The span includes two epic late season collapses and all kinds of off the field problems and tragedies.
by RSH089 on Oct 2, 2011 6:33 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
The Curse of the Snake!
That’s why we are snakebitten! Quick someone find me a witchdoctor to lift this heinous hex!
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Oct 3, 2011 7:40 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Give me a freaking break fans!!
QB is the only position you folks are outraged about???
All offseason I called for CORNERBACKS!!!
“Champ will be GREAT back there!” folks said!!
“He’ll NEVER play all year” I said.
How many freaking yards did Rogers have today before they put his backup in??
If you wanna question EFX …question THAT!!!!
Our QB situation is such a small part of our issues right now.
F@#k.
We were
NEVER going to win this game.
Green Bay is THAT good.
Give the blaming one guy a REST!
Put Tebow in.
So what?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:36 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You're not looking to the future in the QB situation at all
nothing else to say.
There’s a TON of other problems with this team. I agree with that, however the QB issue isn’t small.
of COURSE I AM
But
if Tebow had impressed ANYBODY …ANYBODY!! He’d be in there!!
We need to draft a guy.
And a couple of CBs please?
AND…
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Really? 3 times?
Making your statement of opinion over and over does not play well, nor make it fact. Your statement misses the point.
by idahobronc on Oct 2, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
it is the point.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions
You miss the whole point
No one on here is saying we would have won if Tebow was in. The defense was terrible, I think we all admit that. But when you can only put up 21 points against one of the worst pass defenses in the league, and you have a guy who scored 7 TDs in three starts (his FIRST starts in the league), on the bench, your decisions are going to be scrutinized. Oh, and your QB had three INTs in a game, yet you don’t play the backup in the 4th quarter – down by four TDs – something is seriously wrong with the decision-making process.
Oh, and we actually had a running game..
so you can’t blame everyone else for Orton’s errors. Three TDs is great. Three INTs, one that went for a pick six, is not. And this is a VETERAN QB who is supposed to be better than that. How is the unknown better than 6-21?
we had one long run and little else.
if we had to run the ball we couldn’t
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Running game was fine
McGahee had 7YPC. Would’lve had a lot more yards but we got way behind and had to throw.
take out the long run and do the math!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Long runs count, but I'll go with your exercise
His long run was 28 yards.
103-28 = 75 yards
15 carries – 1 long run = 14 carries
75 / 14 carries = 5.36 YPC
You were saying?
ok, I'd have guessed less. (I thought the long run was longer)
point conceded.
Running game: Improved!
Nice.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
He was awesome!
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
no kidding!! As badly as I wanted Peterson, Miller is the BOMB!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions
True.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Understand something
We know we’re a horrible team. Or at least most of us do. I know CB and DT are pretty meh positions for us. I know safety is a little flaky with a rookie + past-his-prime Dawkins (he’s fine in run, not so much in coverage). I know MLB is a bit questionable. I know our OL had 3/5 guys in their first two years. I know RB is sometimes weak because Moreno is always hurt and McGahee is just average.
However, at every one of those positions, there is nobody else on the roster to take their place. I’m not putting Ball at RB. I’m not putting Hochstein at OL. I’m not bringing back Nate Jones and trotting him out there at CB.
The ONE weak position we have where we DO have legitimate alternatives is at QB. However, our coaching staff seems unwilling to give the “next guy up” a try there. THAT’S what we’re complaining about. I know we suck at lots of other positions, but we have no other options there. We do at QB, so let’s use it.
TL;DR: This loss is not all KO’s fault by any stretch, but of all the guilty parties, he’s the most replaceable
by scooter17 on Oct 2, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
49 points
I know CB and DT are pretty meh positions for us
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Not all of those are on the defense
In fact, 7 were literally scored while the defense sat on the sidelines. So 42 points
Name me 10 defenses in the league that could have their O spot Rodgers 4 turnovers and still keep GB under 40 points. There are a few that could do it, but less than 10.
quit it. we were crushed on defense.
The turnovers had ZERO to do with the 409 yards passing that Rogers had in 3quarters
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
If you really believe that, I don’t know what to say. And you still ignored the main point of my post – and that’s that we HAVE no other options at the weak spots.
Besides
Rodgers has put up 400 yards on tons of teams who didn’t also have 4 turnovers. There’s a reason these guys are probably SB favorites.
And we have options at our offensive weak spots? heh heh
I’m totally ready to see Tebow in there.
I’m just freaking tired of the non-football knowing folks here CRYING Tebow with every problem we have.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I just ask that you not take it out on those who have intelligent reasons for pushing the Tebow thing (like this post Lynch wrote) just because a small minority are being obnoxious about it (like one or two people I’ve seen flaming in this thread).
ok.
sorry.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions
ouch
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
we played hard but we did get shredded
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
your such a noob
how can a D play D if they are always on the field tired???? The O need to keep drives going the D did a lot better than they would have last year
by rawrbronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude
Rodgers hit just about all his receivers all day. The front four got pressure when Von played DE but that’s about it. It’s like Peyton Manning against us in the playoffs, he’s just that good, and when we did get pressure he scrambled and got big yards. That’s what elite QB’s do, they shred and make big plays with their feet when necessary. I have seen elite and that’s what I want for us.
Again, nobody said Tebow wuld win it.
Or if it was said, it is in the minority opinion even of those that want to see Tebow play instead of Orton. Please don’t ask people to defend your statement, only the statements they have made.
Rogers backup was put in…why not play Tebow then and try to see what can be done with him? Orton is getting the “blame” not for losing the game, but for being the stubborn choice in all circumstances, even as the circumstances change.
The QB issue has to do with sunk costs
We traded into the first for a QB, ignoring other needs at OL, DB, DL. Tim’s a guy with a championship pedigree and it behooves the Bronco’s FO to look at him in game situations. He may not be starter material, he may be a future first-ballot hall of fame QB. If he sucks it up and we need to draft a championship-calibre QB, so be it, but further delay will only drag out the rebuilding process, erode the fan base, and will stunt the development of the offense with regards to team chemistry.
by Hieroglyphics on Oct 2, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, I’m going to ask an honest question, do we want Tebow because we’re sick of not winning, or because we just want to see someone other than Orton at QB? Many of you have said that it doesn’t matter if we lose, as long as “the game is more entertaining”. When, as a fanbase did we stop caring about winning? I’ve said all along that I don’t care who plays as long as we WIN. Many of you seem to care more about Tebow than you do seeing the team win. If Tebow plays ok, but loses just as many games as Orton, that’s not a successful season in my eyes. I’ve always thought that sports were all about wins/losses rather than playing the most popular players. I’m not saying Orton is any better than Tebow right now, but it seems as if some of you would rather see Tebow at any cost, even if it hurts the team as a whole.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 6:36 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Because it's obvios we aren't going to win this season
We want Tebow to play to build for the future. We want to see what we have in him. If he sucks, then we know we need to find the QB of the future. It’s not rocket science, to win in the future, we need to realize that we need to build a team for the future. The longer we hang on to what hasn’t been working, the longer we are delaying winning in the future.
Orton is a free agent at the end of the season
“If Tebow plays ok, but loses just as many games as Orton, that’s not a successful season in my eyes.”
He’s not here one way or another after this year, Tebow is. You don’t think seeing if Tebow can actually play or not is worth finding out? Sorry to break it to you, but this team isn’t going to the playoffs either way.
it hurts the team not to play him
We have nothing to gain with Orton. And if the teams bad regardless, find out what you have in Tim. Maybe he’s not the right guy and at least we know that going into the draft. Maybe he learns a ton and does well enough to give us hope for next year. Regardless, staying the course with Orton will yeild the same results, and we lose him for nothing in the off season, only to have to re figure out the Qb situation then, still knowing nothing more about Tebow. What logic is there to keep Orton, please answer me that.
No...anyone who was even 20% realistic knew we would not win this year....
And many of us knew we had NO hope with Orton. The sampling we saw of Tebow last year showed how much more he brought to the table than Orton ever has or ever will. Many are enthused on Tebow, yet we dont know how REAL are the things we saw last season.
a BIGGER sampling of Tebow sets the devlopment of the team up better than palying Orton: We either have our QB or we dont.
At the moment, we know NONE of these things. Tebow should have been starter from week 6 last season and at least now as a team we would have some direction.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Agreed
Boyd I know you get it.
Even if Orton was 2-2 right now, there is no way we are gonna pay him big money next year. No one will.
So what is the point of playing him? The reality is we are rebuilding, sorry Dawk and Champ, its true.
Orton isn’t the future so let him get ready for his FA period and let us find out whether we need to draft a QB and trade Tebow or whether we have one.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
And why people like me have little fait in Fox or Elway....I loved Elway as a player.....think he is drowning in as a executive.....the big smile and swagger just dont cut it anymore.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I LOVE the draft...
and the fact we didn’t go on a huge spree for players we didn’t want in free agency. We have plenty of room to do stuff next offseason, and that’s good.
With that being said I don’t like the way things have gone since the season started.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
You are a better man than me my friend!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
play tebow instead of orton, but
not for entertaining…for evaluation toward making a decision for next season.
by idahobronc on Oct 2, 2011 7:01 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm in the "anyone but Orton" camp.
No, it’s not guaranteed that Tebow or Quinn would win more. But the fact of the matter is, they legitmately cannot do worse. I have no confidence of winning, week after week with Orton at the helm. I want to find out if there is some spark someone else can bring to the table. Personally, I’d rather see Quinn first. Demote Orton to 3rd string, start Quinn and use Tebow in EVERY red zone situation. It may work, it may not, but it can’t be worse than what we have right now and will give us our definitive answer for next season.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
as a person I don't hate Kyle Orton
He has showed a lot of class in tough situations…better than previous qb’s of ours.
But as a player he just can’t cut it.
He’ll be a great backup for someone, but that’s it, nothing more. He might as well be our backup for the rest of the year
Spot On Tim... rec...
Anyone that thought we would even have a chance to win in Green bay with this team was really high on the kool Aid. That being said, anyone that feels that Ort is getting better and should be the leader of this team should go straight to Re-hab this instant.
We are not a very good team for many reasons but qb is not unexcusable. Did anyone see the shot of Ort sitting on the bench all alone pouting like we have seen so many times before? we were only 14 down at that point. I am really tired of that kind of leadership…
Whether the FO and coach have any plans for Tebow is up to them but I agree with you Tim, I wish they would shit or get off the pot and be straight with the fans. What is our plans as a team? What is our Identity? Like it or not Orton is the face of this team and it is no Identity at all.
So much for transparenty. Don’t really know what the coaches are trying to do. If Elway has his fingers in this and I know he does, he is faliling dearly.
If we don’t see any changes at qb by bye week either Tebow or Quinn or whether they bring in another we have to assume that all 3 are gone and we start all over again….
Who is our next new qb going to sit behind for 2-3 years so they can learn and not get hurt or get their confidence injured….Bunch of BS….. This first qtr of the year is just BS…
Great Post Tim and right on the money….
My two cents
Hello all. My first post here. I’m not much of a blogger but I gotta get this off my chest. Maybe I’ piling on but so be it. In my 27 years of being a Broncos fan I have never EVER felt so miserable and conflicted rooting for them. I feel like some of you when Orton threw his third pick late in the 4th. A wry smile crept onto my face and I had no control of it. I acutally enjoyed seeing my QB fail. THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE! Even with Griese or Tommy Maddox or whoever, I HAVE NEVER EVER WANTED MY TEAM TO PERFORM POORLY. As well, every gameday (and even last year in our darkest year) I think we have a chance to win and I fully expect to win. This was the first Bronco game I have ever watched where I felt going into the game, we didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell to win. I don’t like that feeling.
Earth to John Fox. Your team should be rebuilding. WE HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR! Did you watch your tea today? There I said it! We are the only team so far to be blown out by GB. Carolina, Chicago and whoever else played them all kept their games respectable. We were frigging embarrassing out there. We are not a playoff team. Why we keep trotting Orton out there makes these games hard to watch for me. We have a possible stud QB who gave us our three most entertaining games last year (well running up the score on pandsy Haley was good too). I am afraid that our foolish FO wants Luck or another top tier QB. That pick should be used on a stud DT or CB as Tebow or Orton or Trent Fricking Dilfer or whoever can win games with a top 5 D. Suck for Luck will set us back a long time. Perpetual rebuilding is for teams like the Chiefs or Raiders…NOT US! And the kick in the nuts which WILL SEE HEADS ROLL is when Tebow returns home to Florida (JAX or MIAMI) and turns that franchise around. And it just sucks that Elway seems to be a part of the madness. That kills me too.
Signed A Pissed Off Bronco Fan
by Safety Blitz on Oct 2, 2011 6:41 PM MDT reply actions 10 recs
Thanks for the welcome
I gotta admit I’ve been trolling for a while trying to get my pulse on the situation as it worsens. Excellent site btw.
But as I look at the rival Chargers coming into Mile High next week, I ask myself this. Does John Fox give the Denver Broncos the best chance to win on Sunday, next year or neither?
I'd take a long look at Dennis Allen.
I don’t know enough to say whether he’s HC material, but I am seriously unhappy with Fox atm.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
Safety...please post more man. Great job and welcome to the misery...but its better to share it with friends. Stoked to have you at MHR!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I so feel your pain I may have flagged you when I meant to rec'd
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
Spot on
I hadn’t posted until the last few weeks, either. I now find myself writing on the DP and MHR, for some crazy reason. I read your post and nodded in agreement the whole time. Thanks for posting. I’d call myself a middle-of-the-road fan, in that I love the team but don’t spend time actually voicing my opinion. Until now. I am so mad at this team. You summed up my thoughts perfectly. I can’t understand the split in Broncos nation. One of my best buddies is an Orton supporter. It’s like freaking politics. I don’t understand his side, and he doesn’t understand mine. And no matter how much we argue, we’ll never agree. Never seen anything like this in three decades of fandom…
Wow
Its funny how you related it to politics. I had the same thought too.
But yeah I snapped after today’s Green Bay game. I had to vent. Just let my voice be heard whether others agree or disagree. I don’t want us to become perennial losers. I don’t want Luck when we would be better served with another impact layer like Miller on D. Just imagine Von, Dume and some beast at DT. 2nd round pick goes to the secondary or to a competent guard looking at you Zany
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
From what I understand...
Orton is a Green Peacer and Tebow is a Pro Lifer….so the irony is rich if you ask me.
Does our QB drive a Prius?
Please say it ain’t so!!!!
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
He does....and thats a good analogy....we have a QB that is bringing a Prius to a drag race
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Hahaha I think I learned that on here back in pre-season
I say we cut Quinn and bring in Garrard. I think he drives a pimped out Escalade…
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
The defense
wasn’t THAT bad… it’s just that their offense is THAT better. Our offense went against the worst passing D and failed. Our offense went against the best rushing D and won.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
^much better
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
1st rounders
sad sad
ayers is play ok this year but is not a 1st round pick talent
kid from wake forest isnt even in the nfl anymore
BAY BAY is alwayz hurt And cant even tape is god Damn finger and play
moreno is alwayz hurt atleast he has heart
Tebow by Fox not playin him says hes a bust
Dude
Are you just copying and pasting the same 5 lines in every thread that is currently active?
"Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances." – Thomas Jefferson
Marcus Nash, Jarvis Moss, Willie Middlebrooks, Deltha O'neal, George Foster........
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
by Kgrone on Oct 2, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep.
Go look at the Steelers and Jets last few drafts. Not striking out on 1sts as much, but almost no contributors else where. More then 50% of Green Bays team is 6th, 7th rounders, or undrafted, look it up. We need production everywhere, can’t keep blaming all of it(some of it) on past decisions.
Fox has 3 wins in his last 20, Orton has 4. If that's how you build a championship team up
Consider me dumb.
me too
but why does it sill hurt?
Long day. I cheered quite a few times…
A had some good beer and watched my Broncos…
Life is still good in the end
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
and in the end
that is all we have ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
if my Broncos were good again I'd have it too good!!
Oh shit it may be my fault we suck…. God’s evening it out cuz my life’s too good.
Sorry
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions
Same here
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
you assholes!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Hahaha...I even left the country so we would have a chance....I am doing my part LOL!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
alas the internet has shrunk the world
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Let’s face it we are rebuilding and what 34 games is a pretty good sample of Orton.
by always broncs on Oct 2, 2011 6:48 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Hey, guess what guys? Cam Newton threw 3 Ints, and Steve Smith fumbled against the packers. That’s 4 turnovers! The difference between that game and ours? We allowed 49 pts and lost by 26. The panthers lost by TEN. Now tell me, how the hell is this loss on Orton? Really. Please tell me.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 6:51 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
The difference is
Newton is in his 4th start. Orton is a 6 year vet. Therefore, Newton (and Gabbert who was also terrible today) gets patience that Orton has dried up.
Loss is not on Orton. However, of all the guilty parties, he is the most replaceable.
And why is that? Because we have the most popular backup QB in the league? What has he done to show he’s earned a chance to replace Orton, the Houston win? Well guess what, Orton was the QB when we blew out KC last year. Everyone has things go their way once in a while.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 6:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What has Gabbert done to show he earned the chance to replace Garrard? Absolutely nothing. Garrard was the better QB.
It’s called building for the future though.
Gabbert ? Tebow ???
True though similar situations.
It’s time to Find out what we have.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah but the Bears QB sucks too ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Cutler would ROCK in our offense.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Cutler would rock in any offense that gave more than the 1.2 seconds he gets behind the Bears O-line
It is difficult and frequently painful to watch.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
sure would be good to see here.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Which part?
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
the part where he'd improve our team dramatically
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions
was the last one even his fault?
i couldnt blame him.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
No, but the other 2 sure as hell were
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
and i for sure blame him for those.
i do however applaud mccoy for going deep this week. i dont applaud the execution on that pass.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I concur
What did you think about them running out the clock at the end of the 1st half? I thought they should have taken some shots. The deep ball was working, we had all our timeouts, we were down 11, I mean, why not?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
ugh, i wanted them to go for it so bad!
24 seconds sure, but 3 TO’s, plus Lloyd and Decker were hot, I thought we could have at least got into FG range.
Orton was money on those passes to Lloyd all day….except for the pick 6 O_O lol
i would have liked to see them go for it.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Likewise
me and my gf were not happy about that call. It seems Fox is taking gambles at the wrong times. Kicking a FG in the rain, not kicking a FG in a close defensive game, and now not going for it in that scenario
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
i was happy with going for it in the TEN game, just not the playcalling.
I was happy with the playcalling in this game, just not the no risk.
if only we could get the right amout of risk with the right play calling……ahh, only in my dreams…
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok I can agree with goin for it at Tenn
but c’mon, have a little more imagination than that! Our run game was getting owned, I was hoping for play action fake to the TE. oh well Im sure fells would have dropped it
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
he seemed deliberate to catch that last one in GB
lol, after his fumble, he had no choice.
i am 100% with you, PA is netting us big results….we need more of it!
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I am sorry about our QB situation
but Cutler is not what i want there any longer
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
but he does take a real beating in Chicago
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I do. Cutler was right on the cusp of turning into what Aaron Rodgers is right now.
Three crap O-lines and three offensive coordinators later, he’s just trying to find which way is up.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
Strongly disagree
Watched Roethlisberger last few years? His O-Line the last few years was HORRID (worse than Chicago’s at times) and it didn’t stop him being great. Rodgers O-Line was the worst in the NFL two years ago and he still did pretty well.
Look, he’d certainly be better on a better team, but his penchant for making dumb decisions and being a poor leader is pretty ingrained in his DNA.
I didn't say he was, but he was well on his way.
Tell me Cutler doesn’t have all the same level tools as Rodgers. Be my guest. Tell me which ones he lacks. Quite frankly, short of the confidence that Rodgers now possesses, I watch two guys who, physically and ability-wise, are near clones.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
Very true, things like reading a defense are taught
Not to mention that the ability to read a defense is rendered useless if the QB is given less than 2 seconds to throw the ball.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
Cutler sure was more fun to watch than Orton
Always loved his ability to move with his feet and his ability to make insane throws.
He’s proven that he’s just Jeff George 2.0, but dang if he isn’t fun to watch when he’s playing well.
I'd take the bears QB over ours.
Keep in mind that their QB has had more NFL success than all three of ours combined.
Walloped? Not sure I'd go that far.
It was far closer than this was.
Mediocrity is like a lollipop: lick it once and you'll suck forever.
Sticking with Kyle Orton is like taking your cousin to the Homecoming Dance - you're openly admitting that you had no other options, and it's guaranteed that nothing is happening after the early dance.
Sure
Sign him to a 4 year 40 million dollar contract… cause he didn’t lose as bad as the Panthers. That logic is as tired as yours.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Did I say Orton needs to stay? No. So don’t start that sign him to a new contract crap. My point was that a lot went wrong today that wasn’t on Orton.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 7:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What can we immediately change by next game?
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
If you really want to start that, I could say that there are 2nd and 3rd string players on teams for a reason. Everyone is replaceable. I love how no one trusts a hall of fame QB to develop a damn QB and determine when he’s ready. Tebow isn’t starting, get over it. Don’t show up to games if you have to. As a team, we won’t win anymore games with Tebow this season than we have with Orton. And that is the ONLY thing I care about. Start Tebow game one next season when he’s had a chance to develop more.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 7:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I am ok with that.
But lets not talk up Orton on the way to the future.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
NOBODY. NOBODY. has said Orton is our future.
Rocko1 doesn’t count.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure.
That pick six was the start of our failure tonight… and nothing got better afterwards. We should look in the direction of the noise to find out what happened. Unfortunately that noise was behind center. We can START to fix that now. We don’t need to talk about echoes to deflect the true action that caused the noise.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I
might be getting his picks mixed up though ;oP
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Orton threw 10 straight completions. Including 2 Tds and a 50 yd pass that was called back on a penalty. Look man, my biggest problem with everyone is that no one is ever willing to give him any credit. He showed resiliency today. He wasn’t on defense on that 2 minute drive where the Packers carved up the defense and regained momentum. He did what he could after a huge mistake to get his team back in the game.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 7:19 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well it was against the worst pass D in the country so... here it is.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
So Tebow throwing for over 300 yds against the worst secondary in NFL history last year should be considered a consolation prize too? Of course not, because it’s Orton right?
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 7:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
No, cause Tebow won. lmao
Duh…football is about W/L’s not stats. This is why I don’t like baseball…
by Tim Lynch on Oct 2, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not doing that. I can’t stand Orton, but you know what? Unlike everyone else, I don’t think Tebow can do it either. At least not right now. I want to see wins. So if they think Tebow needs to develop, let him develop and play him next year. Everyone loves Tebow, that’s obvious. Do you guys not realize what it could do to his career if they throw him in there before he’s ready? Ever thought that maybe Elway truly believes in him and wants to put him in when he’s ready to prove his critics wrong? Quit questioning the FO and coaches after 3 games.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 7:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
What could it do to his career?
He’s as mentally strong as anyone I’ve ever seen. Elway wasn’t hurt by being thrown out there. Manning wasn’t hurt. Great QBs will show themselves to be great QBs. The ones who fail became failures because they were weak, or never had it. I don’t buy for a minute that sitting a QB is going to significantly improve their career.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
Tebow has more critics than both of them combined x10. You don’t think they would begin to get to him eventually if he struggles. I agree he’s mentally tough. I just think it would be too difficult for him to ignore so many critics.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 2, 2011 7:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
And those critics are going away next year?
The critics won’t change. Tebow will sink or swim. I think he’ll swim, but if not I’d rather know ASAP rather than being stuck with no QB 3 years from now.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
yep it's time
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Here is the problem JB...we were told we WOULD win more games with Orton, and now you are saying we wont win anymore games with Tebow. Why are we starting Orton again if he wont win us more games than Tebow?
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Exactly
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
If we lose regardless, it only shows that we should be developing Tebow(or seeing what we have atleast) instead of wasting time with Orton.
Name 1 logical thing that we have to gain by keeping in Orton instead of pointing to other teams situations and I’ll listen.
There was nothing logical starting Orton from week 6 last year....just saying!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
The reason the game was a laugher by the middle of the third quarter was the fact that the Packers were able to steal two possessions by scoring right at the end of the half and through the onside kick. That was 14 points right there. We stopped them twice in the first half and they stopped us twice. The extra possessions were the difference between a three point game and a 17 point game.
i keep dancing on my own.
and the pick 6....
and the other pick almost -6
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
clearly the pick 6 was a big play
but that’s a mistake by a player, and there were a lot of those. I’m just pointing out two things that are basically game management issues that were incredibly costly.
i keep dancing on my own.
to clarify
I’m saying the offense and defense basically matched the Packers through the entire first half (even including the pick six and all the big pass plays) and were still basically out of the game early in the 3rd.
i keep dancing on my own.
And what makes me feel worse....the packers fans were feeling sorry for us...they were even cheering for Tebow.....thats plain sad!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
i watched with packers fans, they cheered tebow but only so they could punk him.
they wanted him in so they could smash him down. lol. it was kinda funny.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Question about fox
at what point in the season did he make the change from Rodney Pete to Jake Delome and how was Rodney Pete playing ? Is Kyle playing as bad or better than Pete was when he made the change/
Peete had a full season before and went 7-9.
The previous season they went 1-15. Peete had a bad first half in the first game of his second season (Man, is that as confusing to read as it is to type?) and was replaced by Delhomme. Jake led them to a comeback. (What is that?) and stayed for years. Made some PB and did a decent job from what I was able to see. Carolina fans may have a different tale.
Life's too short for bad tone!
Orton sux, Tebow sux, Quinn sux ! we are devoid of ttalent at the QB position including your beloved Tebow. They need to draft a real stud.
I have loved the Broncos for thirty five years and even my dislike of Timmy can't stain that!
by postalmoose on Oct 2, 2011 7:03 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
yes we do.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
and Champ's replacement would be nice too... two years ago.
(unless we have to trade two first rounders to get him)
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
perhaps
but lets at least see about tebow before saying he sucks. We know that about Orton.
you can't fire a guy after one tear unless you want to fire yourself for hiring him!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I would be very good with that option.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
not me
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions
what if it was Cowher
or Bill Belichek
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I just wet myself a little.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I think maybe if we'd fired McD after one year...
We might be in a better spot.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
yep... goes to my point though
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions
when you are replacing a guy who just engineered two of the worst drafts in NFL history, you get a little leeway.
i keep dancing on my own.
quiet the stretch. Go look at a few of Shanny's drafts. Go look at a few of the Jets drafts. Look at SD's.
You’ll find other teams that have gained even less out of 2 drafts then us(maybe not as recently but what McD did is in no way historic, just awful)
If Ayers doesn’t pan out, McD blew 4 out of 5 picks in the top 64 in the 2009 draft. I don’t think the Jets, SD or even the worst (Maurice Clarett) Shanny draft comes close to that record.
Improvement...
….he lead his team to the overall #1 pick last year. We had the #2 overall pick. So if he leads us to #3 through #5, we’re golden.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
sucks because I don't see 4 wins as an improvement
I’d like to see 6-8…when I’m being honest with myself
Why?
IF the linear trend continues, we will win the Super Bowl in a couple of decades. Progress every year….not good enough for you?
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
I want progress every year
sorry if that came off like i don’t. In more words I am saying that a higher draft pick than #2 but still having only 4 wins isn’t progress to me…progress is moving from 4 wins to 6-8 wins…
I'm being very sarcastic...
….it comes across horribly on the internet. If we were hanging out in the bar, I’d have you laughing. I completely agree with you.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
lmao
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions
There seems to be several teams.....
….trying to suck-for-Luck….or maybe I’m just pessimistic. Four wins may having us picking #12…man, I hope I’m kidding.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
That #1 pick could be had by a better team
trade up.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Luck is too good
not to be drafted by a team that has the #1 pick, especially with the new rookie money structure.
unless its the colts and Payton is coming back full strength…but even then…
Even then they take him. Payton is getting older.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Yep the only team I could see having the top pick that wouldn't take Luck
Might be Carolina, and that’s IF Cam impresses the hell out of everybody. It’s a longshot, but it’s the only situation I can see where the top pick might be traded. (and I think it would take a Ricky Williams type-trade the entire draft for one player).
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
Or any team ran by Ditka....
….whole draft for Ricky Williams, anyone?
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
Hershal Walker?
I could actually see several teams trading that pick for multiple picks…
It now has actual trade value now.
It’d be plenty expensive but there will be MANY VERY desirable players out there next year. how about a Suh and another #1 instead of a QB who might very well fail?
Yeah, there are teams who would trade.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think this year that will happen...
….with the new rookie scale, the price to move up to #1 would be cost prohibitive in my opinion….especially when everybody feels there is such a slam dunk #1 this year.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
the year just started
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Miami is in the drivers seat
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I have the entire state of Minnesota on the other line...
…they’d like to have a word with you.
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
My goodness, are we already talking about firing Fox?
Here at MHR? The same place that went into convulsions and hysterical outrage after the firing of McDaniels after two disastrous seasons in which he brought the once proud Broncos to the lowest dregs of the NFL? How things have changed.
we woke up and aren't gonna accept it any more
at least thats my feelings. i’m new here at posting but have stopped by often for over a year now to read up. I got sick of broncotalk and am now over here(much better btw but i knew that before, just didn’t reg for some reason).
Fox hasn’t been the biggest problem, but his stubbornness isn’t a good look at all.
Sadly, we'll still bend over and take it....
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
not talking about firing fox
but talking about stopping the suck for luck talk. it concerns me that with all this talk no one things there won’t be people accountable for being in a position to draft #1 overall…
Only the very most foolish.
Wait is Cowher available?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
yep.
Can’t fire him yet at all, but he’s f’ing up big time so far.
I will...
Fire John Fox…he was uninspiring from his first press conference on. The guy is hanging his rep on getting to a Super Bowl a decade ago! There are better coaches, those who are more suited for today’s NFL, not the antiquated version of football he prefers…
by RC on Oct 2, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s because the MHR fan boys still believe: Shanny was a horrible coach, Cutler was a no talent QB who could be easily replaced by a QB who couldn’t keep Grossman on the bench and Moreno was an outstanding draft pick over Orakapo.
I miss the hell out of Shanny!
Wish they would have taken GM from him and left him Cutler!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't think Shanny would've given up GM
I have to hope that he was given that option. He is incredible as a coach.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
I wish Kubiak was fired
and elway hired him. Bring the zone running scheme and the roll out, bootleg offense he ran with plummer, for tebow
What is frustrating
is this COULD have been taken care of at the beginning of the season. The botched trade…whatever… Why the hell didn’t they either A) Cut Kyle Orton after the trade was blown B) Cut Tebow if they think he’s crap C) Tell fans we are starting Orton all season. Period.
What is happening now (fan reaction) is completely and totally ON the Broncos. Instead they went all wishy washy and fed people the bull crap “best chance to win” line. It’s blowing up in their faces now.
Very discouraging.
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A) The moment TC started we owed Orton 4.5M. B) The moment Tebow walked into TC we owed him 6M. Cutting either guy would not have fixed this. C) Fox and company got an up close look at Tebow’s special skill set and realized he still needs work getting the snap from center. Forget throwing a pass that isn’t behind a WR or freaking out and running the moment his first read isn’t there.
Here's a question probably dealt with in earlier threads but...
WHY THE F!!!
Do you put Tebow in for ONE FREAKING play and then RUN him vs 9 in the box?
WTF??!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:08 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I was puzzled as well.
It was a weak attempt to quell a disquieted fanbase.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
That was insane
Honestly, do one of the following:
1) Play Tebow all the time
2) Play him only in goal-line package situations
But trotting him out for some bizarre run up the gut in the middle of the field is… ludicrous.
Fox also said in the post-game interview “We tried the Tebow package and it lost yardage” which is a horrible answer.
Fox was giving fans the middle finger.
“There you go you fucking morons, you happy? Now let me play my guy.”
that makes as much sense as anything else
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
This pisses me off completely.....
I have turned on Fox as of this game until I come up with some other reasoning for how that went down. I just can’t see it.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
That turned out well for you didn’t it douchebag.
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did TT have an audible there? They STACKED the box
must have been something open
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions
No, of course there was no audible.
Fox said “go run the ball once”
Tim ran the ball
and Tim came out of the game for good.
Like Tim said, it was a middle finger to the fans.
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I find this hard to believe
if it’s true (which makes no sense)
then we should fire Fox tonight.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
is it hard to believe after the blown penalty accept at the end of last game?
or the waste of a timeout on 4th last week, or the waste of the time out on 1st and goal in week 1. All 3 situations were blown coaching mistakes that would’ve given us the chance at 1 more chance to tie or win a game.
still REALLY hard to believe.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
because it implies that Fox is a complete idiot.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:59 PM MDT up reply actions
so does 3 wins in 20 games.
So does accepting a penalty instead of declining when it could’ve stopped the clock in a 3 point game, or the TOs i mentioned. There’s a few other examples. I don’t want to believe it, but the signs are pointing to a mistake at HC again imo, and until Fox gives me better reasons(wins, or at least a plan to get them) to not believe that, i won’t be blindly having faith in him.
Whid, he maybe a complete idiot. Sticking with Orton is a good point of proof!
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by boydy2669 on Oct 2, 2011 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you guys understand how much this will suck, right?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Mate, it has been sucking since EFX botched the Orton trade....and just keeps getting worse.....we were drowning and now Fox is the bag of bricks to get us to the bottom quicker!
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Yes, it pains me. I'm not even joking
The situation is terrible, it makes me sad to think that we could have set our franchise back even further then McD already did by making another bad hire. It’s not easy to say, but we very well may have. It’s still too early, but it’s not a good start at all for Fox, and the longer he continues to be stubborn the longer we’ll suffer.
ug
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I feel ya buddy. Thanks for hearing me out in this convo
a truly great argument, i think we both drew some truth from eachothers statements, but reality hits hard :(
i'm growing more depressed by the minute
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm trying to think of a non irrational way to approach the FO about this.
I think a fan rally at Dove Valley this week would be good. Not to be anti orton or fox, but perhaps just pro change, or pro ending mediocrity. not sure if it’s a good idea or a horrible one though yet. So upset though and don’t want to sit and wait like i did with mcD for 2 years.
you don't audible out of a designed run call when it's your first oppurtunity all season.
Changing the play would have been a real defiant move. Is that what you’d want really or do you just enjoy bringing down Tebow for no reason. At least the Orton bashers have some reason for what they do, you just come across as a hater today Whidbey.
even if it will for sure fail?
Hell if he’s so smart he should have changed the play even if he wasn’t given an option.
!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
? Really? What are you trying to get at here? Smear tebow?
And i don’t think there was an audible at all.
Hell What would you have done there?
I spend my life playing a game and am put in a position where failure is certain?
Wouldn’t be the first time a QB called his own play when he knew the called play was so obviously wrong.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm just saying I'd rather not think Fox did something so freaking ridiculous as the alternative.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
might be the 1st for a subbed in player coming out to RUN the ball 1 time.
I already explained for reasons above.
im sure his instructions were
whatever you do, don’t you dare throw the ball
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
yea, slap in the face to us and TIm
and then really rubbed it by saying Tim was ineffective after the game…like Fox set him up to do anything but fail. That was a move by a coach that I really, really didn’t like and would be flaming if it was a coach of another team. I’m not happy with Fox at all for numerous reasons right now, and this adds to it for sure.
NOTHING Fox has done has really worried me until THIS idiocy.
Didn’t he have an audible to pass if they stacked the box so obviously?
Maybe that was on Tebow?
If he didn’t have that option… we may be in trouble cuz that sh!t was stupid.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
how do you know?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions
"Best chance to win"
Doesn’t mean “will win”. It means “Best Chance”.
In other words, 60 percent as opposed to 40. 50 percent as opposed to 30 percent. And let’s not forget, a 50 percent chance to win still means there’s a 50 percent chance you’re going to lose.
A machine gun gives you a better chance than a pistol. But it doesn’t mean you’re gonna live.
And why would the Broncos come out and tell us they don’t plan to keep Tim Tebow next year? Not only do I doubt that decision has been made, there’s no reason to announce anything like that publicly, just because the fan base is impatient to know the future.
It is what it is. A mediocre team that had no chance to win today, but still left at least 14 points on the field due to stupid turnovers. I still think we saw signs of hope today, and I actually think this team is getting better, for what it’s worth. Pull your hair out over that statement if you want, but the Packers are not a realistic yardstick against which to measure this team.
As I’ve said before, if you really want to know the future, you can guarantee Orton won’t be with the team after this year, and he’s not likely to make it through all 16 games. So…
1. You’ll be rid of Orton. Just be patient.
2. You’ll get to see Tebow this year. Just don’t expect it to magically turn us into a playoff team.
Our new regime is still getting it together and hasn’t had a full off season yet. We really need to keep our heads on straight and give them some time before we all start screaming and tearing at our clothes. We did that all last year and it didn’t help.
Patience. It’s a virtue.
Sure, things could be better. It could also still be 2010.
actually
there’s no reason to announce anything like that publicly, just because the fan base is impatient to know the future.
Some respect for the fans might be in order during the rebuilding process don’t you think?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
they also have a responsibility to their employees
to not throw them under the bus, especially when they still need them. We are not the Oakland Raiders, this team’s management won’t behave like Al Davis.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Even if Quinn had a 5 percent chance to win
he could still be tied with Ort. And at the very worse he would only be off by 1 game….not bad. I would take the chance and go in another direction, but that is just me
Err. We were willing to be patient, but were told we should be playing for 'the best chance to win'
I like the defense. The O-line is improving. I’d say we’re close to being competitive in every game but our QB keeps blowing it at critical junctures. Of coure he’s not the whole problem, but anyone else making the mistakes of the magnitude he is making would be benched – especially a vet.
I’ll be patient with Tebow, and if he bombs, I’ll be patient with the next new QB we try.
I’m just tired of being patient with Orton, I did that last year. ’k?
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
Yep...I am dont with patience...and I aint virtuous...so screw that....hahahaha!
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heres a question....im sure tebows agent has informed him about probably not playing soon becuz of his contract guarantee....
Which I do get cuz that’s a whole lot of money to pay if he ends up stinking, but shouldn’t tebow march into bowlens office and tell him he’ll restructure his deal just let him play already! I mean he’s not gonna see the money anyways if the f.o. has anything to say about it. Is that possible?
by chap on Oct 2, 2011 7:11 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
he doesn't because this has nothing to do with his not playing. imo
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I wish Orton would do the same thing
rush into Bowlens office and beg to get less money if they take him out. Now wouldn’t that be the best thing to do for the team? wouldn’t it?
my name is Pink. (but you couldn't know that... you must be gay then? It's ok. no need to hate)
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Have an authentic #8 jersey up for bid
I will give 20 dollars to the first person to take it….anyone want to bid me higher?
you drive a hard bargain but looks like you are the proud owner of #8
I will send you another $40 to pay for the lighter fluid and wasted time….
rofl
ohhhh how the laughter subsides the pain…briefly
I am laughing just as hard
because I can’t believe I got away with such a bargain. $80 dollars to get rid of this rag?
I would have paid double……ha ha….winner.
stuff the jersey over a Tin Man outfit and you will make bank!
Kyle Orton is the Tin Man....No heart, can't move and the oil can is too far away!
Yep...tin man a little more mobile though!
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Brutality
I go into the kitchen to stir the chili and grab a beer, and I think to myself: “broncs playing tough!” I walk back in and we are now down 21-3 instead of 7-3. I am pretty sure Kyle Orton had something to do with this.
Man, we do suck.
at what point does
best chance to win stop meaning anything? how many losses do we need? when does the ‘media’ stop buying the ’best chance to win line?
The minute they stop hating Tebow
For being a better person than any of them ever will be.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
wow! fox same old b.s. postgame comments!
“i thought our offense was very impressive besides the turnovers”….“it wasn’t all the q.b. it was all of us” that equals k.o. is my man till the bitter end. Fml!
by chap on Oct 2, 2011 7:23 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Denver is the worst team in the league....
This is fact. Yeah, there are a couple of 0-fer teams out there, but none can match the sheer ineffectiveness of the donkeys. We are going for Luck, and all Bronco fans better root for Kansas City and Oakland to have better records than we do, because if they somehow suck it up worse than the donkeys (hard to believe) and get Luck, then we may as well write off the next decade anyway.
I don't think we're the worst team in the league (bottom 10 easily though)
And I don’t think Oak will be in the Luck sweepstakes. They actually look pretty decent.
KC has me scared, but less so after today. My vote goes Min or Indy.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
here's what you need
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions
as always, Whidbey makes me laugh. Seriously though.....
I could pick any comment in this thread and say “WE SUCK” and…that would be perfectly normal. What does THAT say?
damn has it come to THIS?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Please say it ain't so.
Another few years after we find out Fox isn’t the guy?
My heart ACHES.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I have to respectfully disagree
Yes, the Broncos are a bad team. They are very talent poor, and it will take some time to recover from the horrific personnel moves and drafting of the previous regime. However, I already see some improvement over last year.
Would you rather be the Vikings, or the Chiefs, or the Dolphins? While the Broncos are a bad talent poor team, they are not the worst in the NFL.
agreed
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree with you
but we have 12 games to go so we will have to wait and see the final results on that one. Like to say not a chance but we were only 1 team away from the worst team.. soooooo
Orton record last year and this year 4-17 ..John Fox 2- 20..holy crap we lack direction
" He conquers who endures."
i think painters gonna shock some people tmmrw nite. just praying ponder gets some p.t. in minn and lights it up..then we might have a shot at luck.
BTW wonder if Viking fans are screaming for ponder like we are for tebow.
by chap on Oct 2, 2011 7:32 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
they are on another board i post on.
prob only about 10 viking fans there so i don’t know how accurate a sample it is.
its pretty accurate
I live in viking territory, and most of my friends are viking fans…and they are all calling for Ponder…but they were calling for him before the season started.
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KO, where you been man? just like the tin man
You got no heart, here comes the good part… TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Now that I have your attention.
FREE TIM TEBOW!!!!!!!!!!!
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Another vanilla day at the office...
I cheered for the Broncos again today, but I had already made up my mind that I was done with Orton and so I decided I would cheer against a Bronco…this disgruntled fan has had enough of his mediocre play and today proved it again….when the pick six occurred I cheered for the guy crossing the goalline, which made me feel sick inside. But if it gets Orton off the field, all the better. Putting Tebow in one play was like a commercial gimmick to throw a bone to the Tebow revolution…we are not impressed….and now we are turning against you Mr. Fox. For a decade I watched you coach the Panthers in NC, but now I moved back to CO and was at first ecstatic to find you following me out here…LOL I thought, great! We’ll finally build a top tier defense which we are doing quite well..after next years draft if we go DT and CB… But Broncos football has always been equally about exciting unpredictable offense like that fleeflicker play today…with a QB who could improvise, stretch the play, and run like a true stallion…not fall down like some lame animal. Based on your history with the Panthers, you’ll probably play Orton all year long through thick and through thin, like Delhomme…and then you’ll be gone. Why do I get the feeling that the coach of this team that does not get behind Tebow is destined to fail…I guess if ever takes us to back-to-back superbowls we’ll know why. But we’ll never find out what this kid’s really got without a solid chance to start. I think he needs 6 games…three to work out the kinks, a few more to learn to read NFL defenses better, and then by game 6, we should start to see marked improvement. We know there will be crazy ecstatic excitement with Kool-aid for everyone!
But no….because Orton gives us the best chance to win…he is a 7 year veteran who can really read NFL defenses like a pro (right!). It’s not FREE TEBOW cause that might imply he goes off to play for the Jags or somebody…it’s UNLEASH TEBOW for 6 games and we’ll know what this kid can bring…
As for Orton..he can go home tonight and breast feed his new baby for all I care…He is done here, the team will not rally around a perpetual loser…
by Brazenwood on Oct 2, 2011 7:38 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
fox with tebow is like mcd with hillis
fox made the same smartass remark about tebows one carry as mcd did with hillis when he had him returning kicks.
fox will do things his way until elway or bowlen has the stones to tell him otherwise and thats not going to happen
we are stuck with orton until he gets hurt
by Bronco Mike on Oct 2, 2011 7:38 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
yep. It's immature and childish. I thought Fox was supposed to be a savvy vet and bring us passion, toughness, and the likes.
Been nothing but a **** in post games with the media and either A) straight lies to fans and the media about the QB situation or B) is completely stubborn and not gonna change. I don’t like either scenario at all. I really hope Fox redeems himself, i’d LOVE to eat crow on this situation, but as of now, he’s done far more for me to criticize then to praise.
You wont be...Fox is stumbling big time, and Elway is as well. Its like they are the Cleveland Indians in Major league...trying to suck so bad and lose so they can move the franchise to LA!
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john fox gave the fans a big middle finger with that one tebow play
so i give john fox a big ‘fu%# you too’
until you start winning you have no cred with me and you;ve been downright shitty as a coach for the last couple of years.
It still baffles me that we signed the 1 guy with a worse record then McD last year,
and fans aren’t willing to question that maybe he had a good amount to do with a 2 win season last year despite the fact we talked our selves into thinking that was on the panthers FO. That’s not looking like the case any more. It’s foolish not to think a guy that HEAD coaches a team didn’t have a good amount of blame to take in a 2 win season.
i have to think the whole jimmy clausen thing
is directly impacting us now. that wasnt fox’s move to trade delhomme and start clausen so early and they absolutely killed their offense all year
by Bronco Mike on Oct 2, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
good point
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
How disheartening. Orton had an 87 QB rating today with 3 INTs, with one of them a pick 6 that just killed the team early. Reminded me of his pick 6 in the Oakland debacle last year. Guess the QB rating stat isn’t bullet proof.
I actually just recorded the game after we got down 21 to 3. I couldn’t watch. Didn’t want to and felt no desire to see it live. Watched it much later and yep… still sucked.
I have no idea what Fox is doing and I’m not sure he has a clue either. This Orton thing is out of control and next weeks game will be brutal because the most hated player on the field may not be Rivers, but a Bronco.
I just hope we have another 25,000 no shows so Bowlen tells Fox that it’s not John’s team, not Elway’s team, but his team and he wants to see Tebow like the rest of the fans. The Orton train went off the tracks a while back… Time to try something different.
Elvis, you need to play once in a while to earn that mega contract of yours.
by McGeorge on Oct 2, 2011 8:01 PM MDT reply actions 10 recs
rec'd
glad to see i’m not going crazy on thinking Fox looks like he’s asleep at the wheel every game.
Fox, maybe, just aint that good...anyone thought that?
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That one Tebow play was Fox giving us Fans his version of the "Mile High Salute"
" He conquers who endures."
by bloodwell on Oct 2, 2011 8:02 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Fox is going to see a lot of fan’s give that right back to him at home next week. That honeymoon was quick. Fox is already off to a horrible start in Denver.
Elvis, you need to play once in a while to earn that mega contract of yours.
Absolutely. Not using Tebow at all in goaline situations the previous 3 games and then giving one token play is really making his decisions look even more poor. Regardless of Tebow playing or not, he is such a valuable weapon in the red zone that he should be used. This would have helped him and the team immensely, and now this 1 play today seemed like a cheap way to “try” and appease some of the fan base.
by wiebrod on Oct 2, 2011 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
i really want to know WTF with that.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions
yes, me too. What was that ONE play all about??
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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Playing Tebow would only fuel the controversy
If Tebow played and moved the ball, maybe even scored, then we would have a legitimate QB controversy. As it stands now it’s just an “opinion” controversy. No one KNOWS if Tebow is gonna be good. His stats today are 1rush -1yard…gives Fox an excuse to keep playing Orton cause, the Tebow package"didn’t work" according to the old man.
wow, so many INTs by good QBs today...
might as well watch Tebow throw them …or not.
There is that chance he’ll be great.
Time to find out.
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Why didn't Fox give the ONE chance for Tebow down in the red zone. WTF are we doing it where and when Fox did it????
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
Fox said after the game that they tried Tebow earlier and he was ineffective so the tried other things
Some more BS brought to you by John Fox.
Missed that, and so glad I did. Blood pressure would have hit the ceiling.
Is that the best this coach can do, or come up with. Fox’s train is going south at record speed.
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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
he also noted that the offense played real good minus the turnovers and said it wasn't orton's fault, he's the starter.
When asked about why Tim didn’t get snaps at the end of the game in garbage time, he said he didn’t even think about it cause or is the starter.
What a d-bag Fox is turning out to be :*( WTH broncos.
oh boy. I can't believe this is happening all over again. Two train wrecks in a row.
Man, that is so weak. putrid stuff from a head coach
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions
completely immature and classless, exactly what i thought we were trying to get away from with Fox.
Lets hope Elway/Xanders don’t let this go unaddressed. And if they do, lets hope Bowlen still has the sense to take his team back before it’s too late.
Well then Fox and Orton are the perfect pair....
Neither one has a clue what good play even looks like and neither one understands accountability. What Fox should have said was " We totally stunk up the place and I’d like to apologize to all of the Bronco fans who expect and deserve much better effort and execution from their team".
I guess since the offense played real good, no need to make any changes or expect anyone to play like their jobs on the line.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
Tebow was ineffective ??
Gee let’s see, they put him in, the Pack D stacks the box and they call a QB keeper up the gut and it gets stoned. News Flash boys the aim of the game is to not run plays that the D anticipates….would’ve been a perfect opportunity for play action. Oh that’s right Tebow can’t run play action or pass…sorry forgot.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
by asinsoin on Oct 2, 2011 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I get it, I guess Orton's play is so effective, we'll just leave him in. man oh man, what a joke. On us.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Great question...
That had to be the stupidest call of the game, and as many noted above is a complete insult to Tebow and the fans. Screw McCoy and Fox for that bush league move.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
by asinsoin on Oct 2, 2011 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Best decision I've made this year...
Took the family boating today and recorded the game. I knew we’d lose but thought it would be respectable. Just finished watching the DVR of it and can’t believe anyone ( I’m looking at you Fox) would continue to support Orton for anything beyond an immediate cut. The guy is just the epitome of blah. Watching Rogers roll out , scramble away from pressure and destroy our defense in contrast to Orton who can’t run, can’t lead and doesn’t give a shit really takes the fun out of even watching a rewind. I’ll always be a Bronco fan but refuse to waste a minute of my time, rewinds included , as long as he’s the Bronco QB….My wife on the other hand is very happy and thinks Fox and Orton should be immediately signed to long term deals.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
Orton’s first INT was the thing of a rookie 7th round pick. He locked onto Decker and threw a soft ball that 99% of NFL CBs would have turned into a pick 6. Then it was so Orton to see him make a light jog to make the tackle but give up a few yards short. He really doesn’t give a crap about anything at this point. He knows he isn’t getting a big deal and he probably knows he won’t be the starter much longer. Just pocket his $8.8MM and be happy about that.
I really dislike him. My least favorite Bronco since Javon Walker and Travis Henry. He is a much better person, but a negative impact player.
Elvis, you need to play once in a while to earn that mega contract of yours.
He takes away so much from a team that doesn't show in the stats.
His overall deamenor would kill me if i played in the offense with him, he has no energy, leadership, passion, desire, or any other nice adjective you’d want out of any of your players, but especially the QB.
Yeppers!!
And IMO it changed the complexion of the entire game. Up to that point we were competing on both sides of the ball. And then watching KO not even consider making an effort was just…well it was just soooo Orton.
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
Instead of bringing our our tailgating gear next game time to bring the pitch forks and torches
" He conquers who endures."
Consessions arn't split with revenue sharing pack the stadium boo KO and don't buy anything
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
by oldcoachB on Oct 2, 2011 8:25 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep. Boo the heck out of anyone not doing there job, please.
Show Fox/Elway/Bowlen/whoever the hell is making decisions over there in transparency land that we need to see a different attempt at winning, because Orton and the same old dink and dunk offense and sit back and wait D isn’t getting it done.
Boo fox as well
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
The best way to describe Orton
makes plays when his starting job depends on it… not when his TEAM needs it…
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
and both ways lead to losing......
Tin Man really clanked out there
Kyle Orton is the Tin Man....No heart, can't move and the oil can is too far away!
by mdierk on Oct 2, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
my point exactly
nice sig btw, digging the tin man simile
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
Predictable...
It’s sad to watch, but predictable. Replace the coach with the second worst record with the coach with the worst record. It’s numbingly brilliant. Maybe we’ll resign Dre Bly again too. Maybe we’ll be relevant by 2021. Oh, but Von miller doesn’t suck, that’s nice!
Wanna fix the Run D? Hire the DC that had the 2nd worst right?
at least we didn’t do that as well. But your spot on. Its troubling to say the least, and Elway or Bowlen need to address things before we have a full blown reality show on our hands.
Tebow was ineffective ??
the ONLY reason to accept this statement is if Tebow was given the option to audible if they stacked the box …and didn’t.
The alternative to this is almost unbearable.
If Tebow was sent in with no options for ONE STINKING PLAY !!?? where EVERYONE knew he was going to run a QB draw and THEN called ineffective??
If this is true THEN:
Fox is a disrespectful, despicable, dumb-ass who’s base skills and ability to make judgements based on the best interests of our team are no better than that of our previous coach…
Who should have been fired following his first draft.
Fox should clean this shit up if he wants any chance of retaining his fan base.
And Elway had better be paying attention!! (xanders is already on strike two)
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:41 PM MDT reply actions 8 recs
Rec'd.
Fox needs to sit down with our PR group for a few hours a week if he wants to stick around, his answers are often ridiculous and todays post game was a low. Same thing goes for him defending Orton again in the post game. He either A) Is being stubborn and is consciously making a choice to live or die by Orton whether it’s good for the team or not, or B) has no clue what’s going on with this team. Neither scenario is good.
i dont see a rec!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
says it's still loading, hmm? I'll refresh in a minute, that seems to happen on this comp for some reason.
New to the site, maybe that’s it?
xx00
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd still rather blame tebow than accept that our FO hired another idiot...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
right?
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm starting to understand you....finally! ;)
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
sorry I have this habit of assuming folks get me all the time.
Leaves huge gaps in my arguments when they don’t…
Damn I cheered hard a few times today. It’s ok for me to lose to the Champs in their house… no big deal.
But make me believe my hope in our new regime is unfounded? I’m scrambling for any other explanation.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
right.
I feel a PISSED OFF coming on.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
they've lied ever since those promises
which makes me all types of sad and confused because it came from my hero. This isn’t gonna end well if they don’t start making some changes, NOW, patience isn’t gonna pay off here imo.
i hope you're wrong.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions
i highly doubt tebow was given an audible
McCoy is calling the plays. When tebow was starting, McCoy gave Tebow plenty of qb draws up the middle just like that
but it makes ZERO sense to send him out there like that!
Even if he were being set up to fail, NOBODY in his right mind would call that a fail!!
WTH?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats what they did. McCoy has done it many times before
it was pointless and to appease the fan base
audible schmaudible. That play was the perfect call to fool the Packers and they would have folded and we would have won the game if Tim got more than a yard.
I’m sure that must have been Fox’s strategy. Brilliant. But no, Tim got a yard, so therefore was ineffective and no good for any more reps, especially in the red zone. We wouldn’t fool anyone there, though, I’m sure that’s what Fox was thinking.Just brilliant, probably took him all week in the film room to know just when to put in the Tebow package.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
It reminded me alot of the play he ran in jacksonville
a run up the middle. everyone knew it was coming
Hey I don't think I've been green since I defrended Plummer over his one shoe rose bowl run...
Just kidding, that would have been the last time I defended Plummer but Pink and green DO go well together!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Fox, like Orton, has made it clear he isn't concerned with winning over the fans.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 3, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone please tell John Fox that the fans love this team, and none of is in good conscience believe that Orton is what this team needs......he is killing us slowly!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I'm not sure it's so slowly. Some of us already died...
….and are now just angry zombie starved for brains and not finding any at Dove Valley….oh snap!
"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!
i need a lifeline
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Well you could call an expert...John Fox. But then I think we already know his answer - HE WAS INEFFECTIVE.
So, you could accept that or make up your own.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Personally, I'd take yours. ANYTHING you said would be smarter than that.
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we should have a sign showing Fox's wins and losses along side of Ortons
that would do 2 things for this team.
1) Maybe take some pressure off of Ort so he can feel like he isn’t the only loser (old misery loves company thing) and it would assure him that he will have someone to talk to that understands his greatness.
2) Would be a reminder to the fans just how bad they suck just in case anyone is of the illusion that the Coach knows all and Ort is our best chance to win
lol sniff
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's The Thing For Me
Been a fan since 1969 … Here’s the thing for me. Question: Of all the plays Orton made today which ones could Tebow not have made? Of all the mistakes Orton made today which ones would have Tebow also made? Of all the things Orton didn’t get done today which ones would Tebow have gotten done? Having seen Tebow in “real” games last year,
I would suggest that he would have made all the plays Orton made plus he would have thrown the deep pass to LLoyd better and would have put more arc on the ball that went incomplete in the end zone. Tim has a deep ball trajectory that works much better than Orton’s – drops into the receiver’s grasp in a much less “line-drive” fashion.
by APPLE VALLEY FAN on Oct 2, 2011 8:53 PM MDT reply actions
True...
I think Tebow is probably capable of hitting seven yard outs 60 percent of the time. If he’s not, then ship him. I don’t hate Orton, but he only makes throws that evry single pro quarterback should be able to make. And he does so fairly consistently, till he f&@ks it up and turns it over. I’d rather have a rookie throw picks for a team that won’t win many games anyways.
by MontuckyDonkey on Oct 2, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions
yep. And there's literally nothing that advanced in the offense that's been called whatsoever.
It’s an extremely simple offense, most college QBs could run the plays we do without much problem.
No Kyle made several nice throws today that imo Tebow blows.
KO can go jump off a cliff but he rarelt wobbles em in there like Tebow did 25% of the time this preseason. KO rarely misses by as much as Tebow has been known to.
That’s just to answer the question
The point imo should be more that KO has peaked. Tebow will almost certainly improve considerably in time.
Another key point is would Tebow blow the throw when we so needed it?
KO folds. Tebow? Not known to.
Tebow time folks!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow...
Whidbey just said Tebow time!
I said this last week in the game thread and i got a “STFU” from a certain someone haha
It had to run it's course Scotty
The season had to be over.
(So maybe wee give KO one more loss…) SD next week?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I think Orton ran his course last year
Orton isn’t going to get any better. Let’s see if Tebow can salvage the season.
I agree, but Fox doesn't. He said he's sticking with Orton after the game.
And didn’t even sound like he was considering a change soon. It’s irrational at this point and Fox’s decision making, and maybe even character/leadership is becoming a much bigger issue then the QB situation imo.
What's the best thing that you can do when you make a mistake?
I don’t think anyone here would answer “be stubborn and refuse to admit said mistake at all costs” it seems that’s Fox’s rational however, which doesn’t bode well for our young team.
If he doesn’t soon decide to start proactively trying to fix his mistakes and improve this team I hope Elway can admit his mistake and wash his hands of Fox after this year if we don’t see strong improvement(or a plan to do so in the future) soon. It’s insane to say this this early in the year, but the definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Fox is being insane, FACT. This seriously sucks to think about.
well at least we'll draft high again next year. Does that make me an optomist?
by MontuckyDonkey on Oct 2, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions
haha, i don't even know at this point.
We will indeed pick high. That’s another reason why it’s so crazy not to see what we have in Tebow as well. We need to know if we have a guy or need to go get one.
If you love orton or not.
He isnt the answer. You have to be insane to think Brady Quinn is the answer. Tebow flashed potential in his 3 starts, but either the FO isn’t showing their hand with Tebow, or actually really don’t want him.
So if we’re not going with Tebow, do we suck for Luck? Personally i hope we don’t draft a QB at all. We have to many holes to fill. Sure bring in Luck. Who runs the ball? Who plays corner? Who blocks upfront?
I hope they give Tebow a shot, and build a team around him. When Fox has his team going, he doesnt need a legit Manning or Brady running the team. He needs a guy who can make plays, and let the Defense and running game win it. Tebow can do that
goodness gracious the negativity is astounding here
you know where i watched the game today? a Packer bar. and you know what? I had more fun there than any of the game threads the past few weeks, and you know why? Because I wasn’t surrounded by Broncos fans who wouldn’t shut up about Tebow or couldn’t appreciate anything good in the game. I had fun with the back and forth with those fans, and they could mutually appreciate the good things our team does.
take a step back and breathe, can’t believe what im reading.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 8:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
It's not just about tebow.
we could have jake locker, ponder, any young QB back there, id be calling for him. Orton’s act is old. He isnt winning us games. Time to move on
by Scotty Payne on Oct 2, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
and have fans and a FO defending it.
It’s beyond me how people are still behind Orton. I think they maybe listen to a lot of 104.3 who clearly has a pro orton agenda for either a) controversial ratings(because they know their wrong and are stirring the pot, yet somehow people buy in to their garbage) or b) the Broncos told them to keep things positive or they won’t be very helpful in terms of giving interviews and such.
did you read anything?
If so keep the blinders on buddy, the FO’s gonna need some people still drinking the kool-aid in a couple weeks when the stadium’s empty.
How could you not see that there’s serious problems not only with A) what transpired in todays blow out loss and B) Fox’s use of Tebow and petty comments after the game.
When will people like you realize it has nothing to do with Tebow, but a lot more to do with the future of our franchise and the wasted time that we’re spending on Orton. If we’re losing regardless, we have absolutely nothing to gain by keeping Orton in, with Tebow, we can see what we have. If he sucks, we know to draft a QB with our top 5 pick. If he’s decent or shows enough promise to keep for another year we can improve the DT, OL or CB position with our top 5 pick and continue to get better as a team. What’s the problem you have with people realizing that Fox isn’t seeing any of that?
i was completely fine with Fox's comments about Tebow
giant middle finger to the people on this site that it would anger, and man, im sick of those people. if he ticked them off with that comment, good. did more than i could.
his comment that i liked the most was asked about whether he thought of putting any backup QB in. he said no, and green bay wasn’t either. they kept rogers in until the last 3 minutes, we kept orton in for the game.
yell and scream and mobilize. do whatever you can. but fox has shown his cards: nothing any of you guys say is going to change his mind, and he will mock you for it.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Great way to run things.
When you make a mistake, don’t admit fault under any circumstances, instead act like a child and defend your stance by pissing off the people that pay your salary. I guess i don’t look at those as strong qualities. Your right, we shouldn’t make any changes, just keep riding this out for a couple more wins and a top 3 pick right?
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mock the fanbase?
Hell. Seems like a bad way to run things to say the least!
“-Mock me to my face, I dare you!!” is how that makes me feel.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still can't get over this.
What irrational support for something that is clearly wrong. When even is it good for a coach in any sport to mock his fans? Do you read what you type before pressing post? That’s offensive.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
tv's usually right there with me but damn that's out of line.
he must be drunk on all that skunky-ass Wisconsin beer
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
and pissed like the rest of us
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
i had a good time. i hated the loss but didn't expect to win.
then i came back and read all of this. is it weird to have enjoyed the game even though we got blown out? i had a good time. and then i came back to this…..
i gotta lay off the negativity.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
So we should be happy we let a team put up 49?
Carolina was competitive with this team.
We should be happy with the continuing mediocrity of Kyle Orton?
by Scotty Payne on Oct 2, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like don't get me wrong i hate negativity
and im always positive. But the last half of last season and the beginning of this season has be rough.
I want win’s and we aren’t winning
I'm not even asking for wins!! give me HOPE of wins!!
BTW gag me with a spoon valley Scotty
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions
dude, i want wins too, for sure.
i dont like allowing all those points either. i mean, wow, look at all those blown coverages. i just cant hand 49 points against orton. i can only hand 21. i cant blame him for the hands to the face. i cant blame him for the fells fumble. but man, i want wins too. i just dont see many this year coming.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions
like wow
me either.
The fels drop had my head dropping. That was a TD!
The second int too, THAT was a TD!
I was telling the Pack fans this before we left the bar. One of the worst teams in football just about put 30+ on em in their house!!!
There were flashes today….
But glaring issues as well.
CBCBCBCB have I harped on this FO error enough? (I wanted to trade Baily – wish we would have. he’ll never make it to another winning Bronco team)
And the Tebow play. WTF!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
around the second quarter they were worried.
i had a few people look at me and say “how are you only 1-2”?
call me crazy, but i had hope in the third!!! i thought we could win!!! and packer fans were nervous too, but then rodgers was his royal mvpness.
also, did you know they call him sunshine? me neither.
yes, we need CB’s, and dawk’s replacement.
POP POP!!!
by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
the big differnce is
We will always be here with the Bronco’s and Fox’s ass will be looking for another team to screw.
Who will be mocking then?
sure the packer fans could appreciate the good things our team does
They were Kicking our a**……that is an easy one.
i watched with Pack fans as well. enjoyed the first three quarters...
but there are some serious questions here now.
I find myself questioning Fox’s credibility, sensibility and talent.
Scary.
I almost always agree with you TV127… explain that Tebow play to me and the post game comments referring to the play.
Pull me back from the edge!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Pulllllin' you Whid, don't jump! Got my hat yesterday, and all is right in the world. Well, mostly. Awesome freakin hat!
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I wore my hat during the game tonight!! With Pride. Sent a few fans MHR way with it as well.
That’s right Zappa, Whidbey in SWAG on you!!
thanks.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Ditto there Zappa. And all the MHR staff
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions
haha. I pulled a 1918 Chicago White Sox on you and threw the game on purpose.
Kirk is responsible for all the SWAG btw…dude gets it on.
Your Shanny hate kept you from competing on my level!
The Blacksox got PAID
And KK IS THE MAN!!!!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
the tebow play and fox's comments are exactly as they appear.
i wholly believe he was sent in to prove a point. i really do believe he was sent in to fail.
i really can’t see any other rationale behind it.
was it petty? yes. did it anger tebow’s supporters? oh definitely.
i really, truly believe fox did this to tell the fans that they will have no sway on what he does, this is his team, and he will do whatever he wants. he put tebow out there and got it taken care of.
now, this is probably not what anyone wants to hear, but this seems to be the way things are. i thought it was pretty funny, and had it worked for us and we had kept it close (the score), well, there might have been another tune being sung. right now, all it’s done is piss off the fans, which might have been the intent, but might have done more damage than he initially thought.
i dont know if this will save you from the edge, all i can say is dont jump :(
as for my part, i like watching our run defense shore up, von miller making a campaign for DROY, eric decker, and mcgahee.
also, whoever thought putting knowshon in again should reconsider next week.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
and until THAT happens, we'll have Orton!
im not excited, just saying thats how it is.
man, im just angry because i seriously do not believe that tebow would have won that game. like, i cant fathom tebow winning that game, or putting any of the other players in a position to succeed. i dunno. just me.
however, i forsee a debacle against san diego next week following the bye. then we have 2 weeks of news that will fester on our 1-4 start, and, tebow time might happen sooner than later.
but….whether or not this happens relies on us getting blown out at home to a hated rival san diego chargers, led by phylliss…..i cant cheer for a defeat to that douche. man.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Tebow wouldn't have won the game.
But maybe he learns in his loss and it’s not wasted like it was on Orton, who won’t be here next year.
Therein lies the rub
Tebow learns maybe.
but then if we learn that Tebow’s a bum, does Fels learn?
Does Decker continue to become the WR we’re falling in love with – without KO’s timing routes?
Devil’s advocate sure but what does a floundering Tebow teach the young players trying to grow within our offense?
Does our defense get 20 more minutes on the field?
If we know he’s going to fail, then I don’t care. cut him, whatever.
But i’m beginning to doubt Fox so…let’s just go ahead and find out if Tebow HAS IT.
It’ll save our scouts a LOT of time knowing which position to concentrate on!!
I don’t know… I’ll enjoy watching Tebow.
I’ll enjoy the lovers making excuses… FOR SURE
I’ll hope for his success.
Let’s just get on with it already yo?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions
see that's why i still want orton in.
once you pull the trigger that’s it. i want to see the other guys develop. i want the defense to have time to gel accordingly. thats why im still willing to leave orton in there.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
That is such a BS stretch TV...you are saying the other guys WONT develop because of Tebow...sorry, thats complete hogwash.....
In fact, Orton could be holding these guys back as much as Tebow would. Leadership develops players, and you think that Orton brings any leadership what so ever?
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by boydy2669 on Oct 2, 2011 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude, my point was the same as whidbey's, only i want to keep orton in.
i dunno if tebow is able to make the other guys effective, or keep the offense on the field. i liked what i saw offensively this game sans turnovers. they were running well, and they were throwing DEEP, and connectng most of the time. i like it. im ok with it.
boydy, i typically dont respond to your posts, but i know you want tebow in. at this point, i dont think it will happen before the bye, but i know it will probably happen eventually. so…keep it up? not sarcasm, i just dont know any other way to disagree.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Cool, each to their own....I want Tebow in as he is the only QB with potential...need to see what we have in him. Its that simple.
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Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
it is that simple. Sadly it'll be unlikely to make us happy.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know why your so down on Tebow.
Re look at his last 3 games vs Ortons last 3, and then look at Tebow’s first 3 again against maybe Andy Dalton’s(who’s 2-2 now and looking pretty darn good for a rookie), and i think you’ll be refreshed that maybe Tebow does give us a better chance to win then Orton despite what Fox thought/thinks.
I do think that Orton looked much better in practice, but that doesn’t mean much given the games. Some guys are phenomenal in practice and are average in games, it’s weird, i’ve played with people in sports like that before as i’m sure a lot of you have here. I’ve also played with people that looked like they were average in practice but come game time they had a different gear that they could shift into and that made them better. I think we may have a situation like this here, Fox needs to realize it sooner then later and wake up.
Does a rookie QB not pose all those same problems? You can't not take risks in fear
Which is the alternative to Tebow as Orton isn’t under contract next year.
Also, you have to take risks, i’d much rather risk seeing those things to see what Tebow has. If he sucks for 5 games so badly that other guys can’t play with him then put Orton back in for the last few games and draft someone. No scenario involving Tebow not starting and soon make little no logical sense.
Actually there IS a scenario where starting Tebow would be an error.
If he’s not ready and it breaks him.
If he fails to reach his potential under the pressure of something he’s never faced.
failure.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you think Tebow's that mentally fragile?
I don’t sense the need to be coddled by Tim. He’s handled this situation extremely well, imagine a Jay Cutler type being having to be in Tebows spot with this much media attention and access to say something that would show he disagrees with what’s going on, but instead he handles it with nothing but class. I can honestly say i wouldn’t be that good of a man if that happened to me in my work.
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
actually i don't love how Tebow's handled the fan nonsense... he could speak up and shut up some fanatics.
Cutler?
Can we have him back please?
All he did was tell a complete fool to F off…
I’d do the same if I had another job that paid as well.
Damn I wish we had Cutler.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
whidbey, you are WAY too close to the edge!!!
now you’re talkin nonsense!!!
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Cutler's trash, step off that and lets stick to guys on our team, i won't talk JC
And what would you have Tebow say to fans to have them “shut up”? And what fans would he direct it at? How exactly would he do that without being a complete ass and why would he do it?
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually Tebow said he wishes those dudes would donate to his charity instead of the billboard
So its not like he’s silent about that. If Orton would win then maybe that would silence some fans
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by Calikula on Oct 2, 2011 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point, i had forgot about that.
So he did find a way to do it with some class.
he could have supported KO as well. Give an interview. One comment about the charity? meh.
instead he’s biding his time … selfishly.
Does HE really think he’s ready?
Only the fans think so.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
So now he's supposed to sing praises of Orton?
And what would he say Whid? If Orton really is our best chance to win right now then I shudder to think how Tebow or Quinn would look right now. Because he’s not playing anywhere near as good as he was last year. He’s playing on a rookie/bust level
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by Calikula on Oct 2, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
too late now.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
i cant tell if you're serious anymore...
maybe he doesnt think he’s ready?
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
He could pulpiy preach it. Make even Kyle believe in himself
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
pulpit
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I would rather Orton shut us fans up with some solid play
because the Broncos could easily be 3-1 without his turnovers. He’s playing like his injured ribs games last year, not like his performances against KC at home
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"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
now tou're reaching
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Cutler has talent
He throws his interceptions into triple coverage, and he does so with purpose! In that sense, he is better than KO
In every other respect, they are comparable, and I’ll take KO simply because he is less of a dick
by Hieroglyphics on Oct 2, 2011 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions
It's also worth noting that Orton is playing pretty poorly this season
And maybe he isn’t helping those guys as much as you’d think.
-Decker is beast and it doesn’t seem like anything Orton’s doing(or any other QB really) could improve his play, he runs good routes, and he’s a large, easy target to get.
-Orton also has thrown behind Brandon Lloyd at least 6 times that i counted in the past 2 games alone, once getting picked, once costing us a td, and a couple times costing us a 3rd down conversion
-Fells is nothing special, he’s a decent option on a team, but ideally a 2nd TE once Julius Thomas develops. I don’t think we’re banking on Fells development. Thomas isn’t gonna play enough this year for it to make a huge difference, the routes we’d run with him are mostly short plays that Tebow can make without worry of hurting progress.
-The running backs would actually benefit from Tebow, and are hurt by Orton. It’s harder to read the run against Tebow then Orton, and Tebow would help their pass involvment(especially Moreno’s) because he’s so much better at screens.
-We’d likely run the ball a little more with Tebow at QB, which would probably help our clock management i think, so i don’t buy that he’d hurt the D. I also remember Tebow breathing some life into a long passed dead defense last year in the Houston game in the 4th, inspiring them to get him the ball back…and they did.
And like i said, if he screws up everything that bad, put KO back in or put in Brady maybe. Regardless, we have nothing to gain at this current juncture by playing Orton, not this next game, not for atleast the next 5.
we'd for SURE run the ball more with Tebow but convert more third downs and run the clock? maybe not. KO's completion rate handled the clock very well today.
the ints …not so much.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:29 PM MDT up reply actions
it's a risk worth taking for the team imo.
I can only hope that Fox evaluates things the same eventually, since it doesn’t seem a switch is coming now.
We're not good enough to be throwing plays out there on purpose.
That’s some serious bullshit on Fox’s part if so and i seriously question his decision making and thought process if true.
In fairness
there really wasn’t anything the brass could do that would have had us in a position to beat a very good Packer team this year. We need some players. I think the negativity stems more from the fact we look pretty boring and helpless out there at times. Like trying not to lose. I expected to have a rough season no matter what, I guess with that said, I’d rather struggle through a season looking toward the future than trying with futility to reach mediocrity in the now. But it’s just my opinion, and it’s not necessarily the correct one.
The definition of insanity is by doing the same thing and expecting different results each time
and by starting Orton and expecting to win… Fox is showing me he’s insane
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
by DBroncs1414 on Oct 2, 2011 9:04 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I would take insanity over idiocy...and they are the 2 choices.
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59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
My goal in life
is to get people to stop saying the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. That is not the definition of insanity. Stupidity, maybe but not insanity.
by fiverolledtacos on Oct 2, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha hic hahahaha
in·san·i·ty
[in-san-i-tee] Show IPA
noun, plural in·san·i·ties.
1.
the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind. Synonyms: dementia, lunacy, madness, craziness, mania, aberration.
2.
Law . such unsoundness of mind as frees one from legal responsibility, as for committing a crime, or as signals one’s lack of legal capacity, as for entering into a contractual agreement.
3.
Psychiatry . (formerly) psychosis.
4.
a.
extreme foolishness; folly; senselessness; foolhardiness: Trying to drive through that traffic would be pure insanity.
b.
a foolish or senseless action, policy, statement, etc.: We’ve heard decades of insanities in our political discourse.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
But Albert Freaking Einstein said that other bit....
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
einstein was wrong about the speed of light, he can be wrong about this too
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
prove it
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
the neutrinos thing, i read about it on the internet, it must be true!
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
no, i saw it on the news.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
actually it is
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Brainyquote does not look like a real source for information.
by fiverolledtacos on Oct 2, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
heh
http://ezinearticles.com/?Einstein—-Definition-of-Insanity&id=12047
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh boy, people like to say Einstein said that but if he did it is not recorded anywhere.
by fiverolledtacos on Oct 2, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions
okokok
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-therapy/200907/the-definition-insanity-is
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree it is a little
“cliche” and not exactly true, but I think it kinda applies here. It is a little crazy (or stupid) to keep starting Orton and expecting him to win
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
yep, the point that matters in all this
call it insane, call it dumb, call it clueless, call it stubborn, but Orton makes logical sense at this point for the Broncos. Time to move on and see if the team rallies behind Tim at all.
One thing
this is going to be another long year.
Idk how biils, dolphins, lions, bengals, browns can deal with their team sucking like this year after year
How is it that Orton looks like Tom Brady on one play, and Jimmy Clausen on the next?
IF he would get it together, or fall apart completely, these decisions would be easy. Instead, he manages to make the move really gut wrenching. Every drive, I am hopeful that he will perform. About every 5th one he does. On the other 4, something doens’t go PERFECTLY, and he gets all down (like my dog when you take away the tennis bal!) and you can see the 3rd down failure coming.
It is really hard to have much hope with him at the helm. There just isn’t any spark or passion. The whole team his ho-hum, blah -blah
if it be not now, yet it will come: the readiness is all. - -Shakespeare
Which one looked like Brady? jk, I know he had a couple of nice throws
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by azbroncomaniac on Oct 2, 2011 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Fox i'd almost def agree with you on, i'm not as ready to admit it on Elway yet,
but the further he goes without addressing this or sitting Fox down and fixing things behind closed doors, the more he’ll be to blame as well. We could win maybe 2 or 3 games this year, under no circumstances is that okay to me, especially if Orton starts the majority of the games, when he’s being sold as our best chance to win.
hiring Elway is like going in business with a relative. Its not recommended, and rarely works out like both sides would like. That being said, I hope it works because having negative thoughts about Elway feels unnatural!
no kidding. it hurts as much as losing.
I’ve come to terms that i have to separate John the player and John the exec. John will always be my boy hood hero and the greatest to me, however i need to view him objectively as a exec because i refuse to be blinded by this organization any more.
No originality on offense
This offense looks like my high school’s offense from 10 years ago. Bland, predictable style that is stuck about 3 years in the past. Even the announcer were making fun of it, especially in regards to Fox’s plan to “throw deep about 4 times.” Even with some success, I still have never felt good about the run game during any series.
Most other teams are innovating and changing their styles to adapt to the NFL. We’re stuck with the most conservative coach of all time that will not do anything that involves more than minimal risk. And he tries to make the players adapt to his system rather than changing his game plan to account for the players he has.
by Bob's Crab Emporium on Oct 2, 2011 9:08 PM MDT reply actions
What the hell did Fox put Tebow in the game for?
was that a disrespectful slam at the fans or at Tebow?
Why would any coach do that?
Sort of like putting him in as a WR and expecting anyone to take that one seriuosly.
I am beginning to believe Fox may not have a clue or is one vandictive SOB, just not sure if it is meant for Tebow or the Fans or Both….just seems really weird and makes no sense
yea, pretty classless and makes very little sense. Not the kinda guy that i'd want running my team. And i guess i don't anymore the more i think about it.
I can’t support anything Fox has done on the field or in the press for this team.
Guys, the vitrol and disappointment here is ou of control. First things first: should Tebow have played in the fourth quarter? Of course. Has Fox looked bad for a couple of weeks? Yes. But if we get one yard against the Titans, we’re sitting at 2-2 and this season looks very different.
Now that that’s out of the way, let’s look at the game today. Did anyone really expect the Broncos to hang with the Packers for four quarters. I know I didn’t. What I wanted to see was progress. And that’s what I saw, at least on the offensive side of the ball.
The offensive line was excellent both in pass protection and in the running game. Mcgahee went over 100 yards and Orton had all day in the pocket. Franklin had his best game as a pro. Decker and Lloyd are tough to stop. Once DT, JT and Royal come back, this offense will be that much better.
Funny, in all the complaining, I haven’t heard people say one word about the Fells fumble. If he hangs on to the ball and we score, it’s an 11-point game in the third quarter.
Orton was his typical Orton self. He had some nice throws (TD pass to Decker, aforementioned pass to Fells), but he made huge, crippling mistakes as usual. Was he THE reason we lost today. No, I don’t think you can say that when your defense gives up 42 points (the other seven are on Orton).
The growth I was looking for wasn’t as visible on the defensive side of the ball. Von Miller is an absolute stud, but boy is the secondary in shambles. Getting Champ back will help, but they need to spend a high pick on a CB next year.
All of this is to say that this one isn’t entirely on Orton – not even close. The defense was shredded by maybe the hottest QB in football. What are you gonna do? This team is a work in progress, and there are bright spots. Getting the current roster healthy will go a long way. Another draft and free agency period will do wonders.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for starting TT to see what we’ve got. It drives me crazy that Orton continues to start. But he’s far from the only problem. This team is severely flawed, and that’s not going to change any time soon.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 2, 2011 9:11 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
agreed
a few things looked good, unless TT is a sleeper at db, we still get shredded. GB will score like that on a lot of teams this year. Like you say, a good draft (again) and we couple be a lot more competitive next year. Offensively, I think we gotta loosen up though if we ever have a chance to score with teams. Oh, on a positive note, how rad was Moreno’s fake before the flea flicker toss?
by MontuckyDonkey on Oct 2, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Loved the flea-flicker. The reason the Pack bit so hard? Moreno danced behind the line like he always does! Zing!
In all seriousness, I’d love it if he could stay healthy. He’s just so much faster than McGahee, it would add another dimension to the offense.
Here’s hoping our top three picks are on the defensive side of the ball next year.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 2, 2011 10:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Could they have traded Champ for picks? Keeping him around is almost as bad as not being able to unload Orton.
I mean, this is a rebuild. Go all in.
I disagree with the premise of trading him
but he was a FA this offseason it was either pay up or lose him for some mid round compensation picks. We could probably trade him after this year(which i still wouldn’t want to) for around a 3rd and 4th i’d imagine, maybe a 2nd from a team like the Pats who always has a ton of picks or feels it’d put them over, not a lot of teams would take the contract with his age though imo.
My argument is not about Bailey per se, but the fact that the FO never went all-in on a rebuild.
It’s really set the progress back.
They still haven't despite losing 3/4 when we needed to win 3 of these first 4.
it’s starting to become appalling.
Whoa....
Reasoned and moderate analysis. Not a hint if hysteria. Well said.
I did not comment on the Fells fumble because I have not seen it every week for the last 2 years.
by fiverolledtacos on Oct 2, 2011 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions
true. I did comment on it at length in the game thread, but to add...
Fells also doesn’t have a 1st round back up behind him, and Fells hasn’t called out the fan base. It’s a much different situation, not to mention a much more important position and situation to the broncos future.
Hysteria is fun!
Well, not really. We should only be hysteric if we really expected this team to be competitive every game this year, and then hysteria would simply be a symptom of blindness. Frustrated, I think we should be. I’m sure the people we’re bitching about are much more frustrated than we are. I’ll save the hysteria for down the road, when/if we’re something like 2-6 and playing a quarterback with 8 more games in blue in orange. Until then, I think i’ll sadly be sad and a little bored.
by MontuckyDonkey on Oct 2, 2011 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions
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Totally agree with that, can’t really argue against it
by MontuckyDonkey on Oct 2, 2011 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions
well said but...
when we begin to see fundamental errors being made by our leadership the fear that history may be in fact, repeating itself ….begins sneaking up on a guy!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Four games is too short a span to write the book on Fox in Denver. I’m not enthused so far, but Dennis Allen is a solid d-coordinator and McCoy was much better as a play-caller today. Fox has been aggressive in the red zone and called for that Prater FG vs Oakland. If he had played TT in the fourth quarter today, I’m guessing fans would feel a whole lot better. His comments after the game didn’t help, but if this team keeps losing, TT has to get his shot. Right? Right?
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 2, 2011 10:30 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I DID like the play calling more today
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Excellent Post Eddie
When you fail in the personnel department as long as we have the lack of depth on the team is a deep hole to dig ourselves out of. For anyone to throw Fox under the bus at this point is not considering what he has to work with and how long a rebuilding process actually is.
Even if Orton had a perfect game we would have lost because of the complete dismantling of our secondary. We have a long way to go folks, but hey, that will just make it all the sweeter when we get there again.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 2, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think people are calling Fox out for losing but rather for the way he's lost.
And his stubborness to try and change anything to try and win. We may not have depth but that has nothing to do with him blowing that penalty call at the end of the TEN game, or the time out in TEN or OAK that cost us an extra possession. Then you throw in the slap in the face to Tebow the fans and most of all the team by trotting out Tim for a wasted predictable run in the middle, and then after the game had the gull to say Tim didn’t get back in because he was ineffective.
Fox shouldn’t get fired or anything after this game, but if he doesn’t wake up and start making some changes instead of sending out the same thing over and over, he’ll be adding another 2 win season to his credentials.
It wasnt until
Fells fumbled and they marched down the filed that we were out of the game. So we really only had one quarter where things were out of hand. At that point instead of being 11 down with a bit of momentum, we are down 18 and just watched Rogers shred our secondary some more. After that it really didnt matter who was playing QB. They were scoring at will and no offense on the planet was going to catch up.
I think its funny that after watching our D get utterly spanked like school children all anyone can talk about is the QB and the offense. Its pretty ignorant actually.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 2, 2011 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
it has everything to do with the fact we're wasting time with Orton
if you can’t see that i can’t explain it.
totally ignorant to focus there to be sure.
Rogers is pretty good too eh?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
People seem to forget that we played the Super Bowl champs today. Green Bay is just better across the board. And yet Clay Matthews and BJ Raji didn’t do squat today. There were positives, but it’s going to take time. I’m with everybody else in hoping that TT is part of the rebuilding.
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 2, 2011 10:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Fox needs to explain his decision not to play Tebow
Agreed that this team is in shambles. There are bright spots all over the field in Miller, Decker, Moore. I agree this is hardly all on Orton and we all have to remember we’re playing a Packers team that will have a very good shot at repeating in the Super Bowl. Denver, and we all know this, is nowhere near being ready to contend with a defending champ. Did we all think/hope Denver would show more stones against Green Bay? Of course! We were in their stadium and they smelled blood. They got us. We’ll see how we do against the Chargers next week and then I think, depending on the outcome, Fox, Elway and Bowlen need to sit down and take a good hard look at where they think the future lies in Denver. They seem to say one thing and do another right now and the fans are mad.
I don’t think the people in miami are still chanting Orton are they? That was a great historical blip!
the Packers fans in the Bar actually chanted Orton a few times...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Postbroncos twitter said their fans were chanting Tebow in the 4th.
kinda made me laugh, but then i remembered how bad we had just lost.
Dawkins
How long are we going to stick with this guy? First our D sucks with John Lynch for years and now we suck in the secondary with Dawkins. HE CAN’T cover over the top. He is old and slow. Wake up coaching staff, bench him now. You would be better off with a young guy that makes mistakes but can run.
Completely agree. He absolutely needs to get benched in the nickel and dime at least.
He’s a motivational guy and a true leader, but he has no business in deep zones anymore.
love dawkins, but...
he needs to be used in blitzing/run options only. he can’t cover.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
he made some great plays tonight but yeah this is his last year
nobody to replace him with this year regardless
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Carter should get more work in nickel and dimes
Dawkins may be able to play some nickel and dime LB rotating with DJ and Woodyard.
leave him this year, he's too good for our heart
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I did a fantasy draft in this years madden and I am now in the 3rd year
Tebow finished second in MVP voting 2 years in a row. Orton doesn’t start for any team. I know this is a video game but they try to put the players together based on factual data.
please don't use madden....
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
In Madden, I am also a Hall of Fame safety....
by Tim Lynch on Oct 2, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was a HOF rb, 10 2000 yard seasons and 40 tds ;)
if only….
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
hmmm
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:19 PM MDT up reply actions
here ya go madden
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton was terrible, so was Moreno. Miller, McGahee, Lloyd, Deck were studs. Vaughn showing why he went undrafted. My only question now is how will this Broncos team respond next week? They gonna show up for SD, or are we in for another blowout?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
didn't see any quit today. Green Bay is hella good.
SD? So much talent, so little execution! I love Turner as a head coach!!
…For SD
Should be a blow-out but you never know about SD.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Were gonna be in our house
So there’s that going for us. Bailey had better be ready for this one. What should we do with him if he keeps getting hurt? I love bailey but he’s been out a lot lately. And what happened to Orton being known for protecting the ball? We wont win any games with the disgusting amount of turnovers weve had. We need to cut/trade Moreno next year. Dude is a bust. Need to draft a CB and DL or RB early.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Hamstring is a really frustrating injury
because you just have to let it rest, rushing him would be counter productive and almost certainly lead to injury, let it get right(which shouldn’t take more then 2 more weeks i’d say) and he’ll have no related problems to it again this year. It’s def a frustrating injury cause it’s not something you can tough out, you just have to sit.
For sure
Im just frustrated with all the pulled muscles our guys have had in recent years. Also because we really needed Champ out there today, Vaughn was absolutely terrible
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
He's awful, we shouldn't have been so cheap in FA and gone out and got a CB
no one on this roster can play 2 corner, Goodman is too slow to play 3 downs effectively all game, and Vaughn belongs in only in nickel or dime situations and never on the outside.
What's stupid crazy is that we could win next week and still be in the running for the AFC west
A loss would almost be better. (not that I’d EVER hope for a loss!!)
A loss gives us every reason (like we need more) to start Tebow…
Then we can know who to draft first. QB or CB
I’m no fan of RBs early – Oline makes the back.
We REALLY REALLY should have signed and traded Baily or at least picked up one of the several CBs out there during the offseason!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
sign and trades don't happen in football
only work in basketball because of bird rights that give the original team the right to add a 6th year to a contract, as well as give higher annual raises. If a player wants a true max contract as a FA, they can only get it by re-signing, thus why sign and trades happen in the NBA. In the NFL, there’s nothing to give the team leverage to make the player work a sign and trade rather then just signing with that team.
yeah right, I was trying to find value there where there's little
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I sure hope they show up.
I can’t handle a blow out. Even if we do show up strong, there’s a good chance we lose, but i’m okay with that as long as we can improve. By improve i mean no turnovers, better 3rd down and redzone conversions, not getting picked apart in the pass game, maybe try and be more aggressive on blitz’s as promised, no stupid coaching mistakes and better clock managment, etc.
Ugh I cant stomach another typical Broncos performance vs Phyllis
Now if they show up like they did 2 years ago, wouldn’t that be something?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
2 ST TD's? sure ill have some!
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too.
Eddie Royal FTW!!!
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
you know, he used to play for the Broncos...
(looks at roster) oh, wait, he’s injured :/
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Sigh, I know
he’s likely gone along with Orton, Moreno, and Dawkins next year. This is looking like a longer building project then I thought
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Moreno will remain... yay
Pretty worried about DT coming back though.
Thank GOD for Decker!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
until DT can prove he can stay on the field
Im have serious doubts about him
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
He's on his 5th injury since drafting him with a broken foot
That’s not bad luck, thats injury prone. I hated the pick then, and I hate it even more now. If he goes on to prove me wrong then I’ll gladly eat crow, but until then, the dude is McBath 2.0
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I think they show up. In fact, if Champ and Marcus Thomas are back, I think they win – thus delaying the TT train. Wouldn’t that be something?
by EddieRoyalwithCheese on Oct 2, 2011 10:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
that would suck.
The delaying part, not the winning.
Man, after todays game I felt like only doom and gloom (and yes I did expect a loss, but I also expected Denver to play with pride). Then I started reading MHR and started getting ticked…so I looked for inspiration. Here it is, to our future (and if the current staff cant see it then Im at a loss)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tnR3qpBD_I
I couldn’t help but smile after watching that.
GO BRONCOS!!
Despite the blowout against a superior team...
It was great to see Doom putting the pressure on, and Miller getting two sacks and Moore getting that tipped INT. The rookies are steppin’ up (along with Decker)…
Von Miller is on a Fibonacci sequence run for sacks….1…1…2…? Can you guess the next number he’s going to record against Phyllis…3!
by Brazenwood on Oct 2, 2011 11:01 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Miller and McGahee are about the only things that make me smile after todays game
Miller is going to be special. I only wish we could have gotten McGahee a couple years ago when the Ravens picked him up. He cant have that much left in the tank
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
dang....
if hes on a fibonacci sequence, he will be getting 34 sacks in his 9th game…and 55 after that.
I can dig that
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
+1
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions
shhh
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions
the past is past, we have enough problems in the present to deal with.
Starting with Fox pulling his head out of his stubborn *$$
Anyone who is angry I plead you DONT go watch John Fox's interview....I was not angry one bit and now I want to fly back and punch him in the mouth...LOL...not impressed at all!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
yea, he's a joke right now. what a poor press conference, worse then the game we got blown out in really
i don’t like the leadership this team is under and i hope Mr. Bowlen or John Elway have a sit down with him tomorrow and go ahead and break down with him again of what exactly he’s doing and why right now.
link?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 2, 2011 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions
www.denverbroncos.com....dont say i did not warn you WB!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I think hes dead set stubborn and not particularly bright...not a great combo.....I have not want to ever hear him speak again. I have never disliked a coach as much as I dislike our HC....this presser was the last straw!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
Nope.....not even McD.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
whoa.
to be fair i liked McDaniels.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, saying something isn't it? I am over the guy completely.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
sad it took 4 games
and i can’t disagree. What a childish act by Fox with the Tebow thing.
dont understand the question, do understand you're over fox.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions
I am just saying the fact that I dislike him more than McD can tell you lots...but, I was not a McD hater......
Mmmm…trying to come up with a coach in this realm…..maybe…..man, i am at a lost….no-one really compares apart from an old rugby league coach who coached the magpies, Roy Masters, and thats really searching the memory banks!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
I've been kinda neutral in the Tebow/Orton thing
but I have to tell ya….that Tebow play today smacks of McD vs Hillis….
arrogant stubbornness
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by Jeffrey Morton on Oct 2, 2011 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions
no doubt, especially given the comments after the game by Fox.
Real questionable move by Fox.
dang, watched that.
ok, gotta tell ya, fox, it’s not YOUR system or offense, it IS the same offense you have used the past 2 years, you’re just calling less screens and more runs/PA.
the only reason KO is in there I THOUGHT was because he knew that system the best! he doesn’t have to learn it, he’s supposed to already know it!
Fox….i am so disappointed in you.
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions
TV, I know we rarely agree mate, but see where I am coming from...he just makes shit up as he goes along to justify his stubbornness.....I heard that too...amazing we have to teach a 7 year vet the same system he has been in for 3 seasons!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
59-14 aint spilt milk...just saying!
well we agree on this then
that presser was just AWFUL. I can’t believe that he actually had the gall to say that…
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by Tollyvolley127 on Oct 2, 2011 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
it's pretty frustrating to see our team's HEAD coach lying through his teeth.
Don’t understand his thought process or rational for doing it either other then A) he’s being stubborn and doesn’t want to admit fault, or B) is clueless as a coach. Neither is good, it’s probably A which means he’s consciously making choices that aren’t helping the team just because he refuses to admit fault. Great choices we have here.
WOW....that press conference was embarassing
Fox isn’t winning himself any support with that presser
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by Jeffrey Morton on Oct 2, 2011 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I hate how he says the "offense was very impressive"
Right at the beginning. They had 17 points in real game action, the other points came in garbage time when the game was far out of reach. The offense was worse then our 19ppg average going into it you take out the garbage stats.
For sure...
it was the “see…showed YOU guys” comment about Tebow that really sent me over the edge. He is channeling McDaniels for some reason and I think it’s showing more and more that Fox is bound and determined to stick with Orton (just as he did Delhomme). Fine…just don’t say the offense was “very” impressive. Gimme a break
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by Jeffrey Morton on Oct 2, 2011 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I mean to say "See...showed YOU guys" impression...not comment
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by Jeffrey Morton on Oct 2, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
For me, the worst was when asked why he didn't play tebow he said
Because he’s not the starter, then the reporter said even for experience at the end? And fox responded by saying their still getting the starter experience and that is the idea is to get Kyle Orton more time to learn the system(WTF????).
Then the disgusting part- right after asked if it was a different philosophy then when the D players got in at the end(Carter among) and he says…we haven’t been together as a d for 2 months, we wanted to look at some young players.
2 completely different answers to pretty much the same question in the span of 30 seconds. Fox is fake. I think we got fooled again Broncos Country :(
by gobroncos47 on Oct 2, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for catching that
that….is……
infuriating
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by Jeffrey Morton on Oct 2, 2011 11:56 PM MDT up reply actions
we need a staffer to do a good article on that press conference. I don't know if i can write well enough
and without anger to convey my thoughts properly enough for people to see how poor of leadership and character Fox displayed in the press conference, and if you read my posts above, i think you’ll find it doesn’t have to do any “Tebow Crazy” nonsense, so look at the facts instead of name calling if you’re gonna try and defend that nonsense.
KO and the Offense looked good; they played inspired ball.
Until Rodgers was Rodgers. :P
No Champ was a huge loss for the D.
Can’t help but feel the Denver Broncos organization, as a whole, is an abusive husband
, and I , as a fan, am a beaten wife in this dysfunctional relationship for the past unknown years (the memory is just too painful to count the exact years.) OK, I’d be the first to admit this statement may be exaggerating, but there is no denying that my emotions and feelings suffer constant beating and are tortured to a point that the word despair is the understatement of the century. But, it isn’t always like this.
My love affair with Denver Broncos began when I first came to Denver for my undergraduate study in 1995. As a foreigner in the city, there were lots of things to adjust and adapt. But immediately, I felt in love with Denver Broncos on a random Sunday afternoon when I turned on a TV at my dormitory hall. It was love at the first sight. Even though I didn’t understand most of the commentaries due to my poor listening comprehension at that time, or lack of football knowledge for that matter, the pure excitement of the game drew me in. And ever since then, watching/attending Denver Broncos’ games has been a ritual to me.
Oh, my oh my, didn’t we have fun in those late 90s! I could still remember vividly that John Elway and co. brought us our very first Vince Lombardi Trophy. I could still remember he threw his body in harm’s way just so he could rush in for a touch down. That day, the whole city lit up. Everyone I knew was smiling and in ridiculously good mood. Back in those days, we not only won a lot, but we never lost hope even when we fell behind in any games. And that, alone, spoke loudly about John Elway as a quarterback (though having Terrell Davis by his side certainly helped. To this day, I still believe TD is one of the best backs of all time. It’s a shame he’s not in the HOF.) He was willing to sacrifice and endure on the path of perseverance. He installed hope in everyone of us. I firmly believe that we need a quarterback just like that to return us to glory.
Unfortunately, even as great as John Elway was, it came a time that he had to retire. Ever since his retirement, we’ve gone through a very long voyage in searching our next franchise quarterback. And, haven’t we seen our fair share of quarterbacks over the past 10 and some odd years? Some of them were gifted but no will powers or ill-fated. Some of them are mediocre and plain like water. Some of them just flunk at every crucial moments that count. Those weren’t fun time and frustrating. That much I tell you.
Lately, we have a quarterback named Kyle Orton under the center. Under his helm, he gave us Ls more often then he produced Ws. I get it and I know it’s extremely unfair to blame loses on a quarterback solely. There were many things not right in the team. Having said that, he did let many possible wins slip through his hands, willingly or unwillingly. All that aside, what makes me sick to the stomach is actually that I can’t seem to see the light of hope whenever he stands in the center of our offensive line. That’s what worries me the most. Still, he apparently gives us "the best chance to win" according to John Fox’s own words (said repeatedly many time.)
That sentence alone adds insult to injury, and seriously undermine the intelligence of the fans (sorry if I got carried away and not all fans feel this way.) If the best chance of us winning games with Kyle Orton in any given Sunday is next to zero, what is the upside of playing him while we have two first-round drafts sitting on the sideline in Brady Quinn and Time Tebow. They may be unproven, but I’m more than willing to see what they’ve got to offer than seeing the same old Orton being his usual self. Last time when we have someone else started for us, it was Tebow in the last 3 games of year 2010. By all means, he was not pretty in those 3 games and he certainly has a lot of room for improvement. However, I did see a glimpse of hope when he played, and I haven’t felt that in a long time. The excitement and thrill were back. That was such a good feeling because I finally allowed myself to dream and hope again.
I don’t know if Tim Tebow or Brady Quinn are the answer to our prayer. What I do know is that I want to feel hope again. And I’m all but certain that I won’t ever feel that way when Orton plays. So, when John Fox keeps denying me with "Orton gives us the best chance to win" non-sense, I can’t help but question myself when enough is enough. If the whole organization keeps denying its fans’ wishes and keep beating down its fans’ desire to hope, why I, as a fan, can’t top being loyal. Loyalty is a two-way street, and I can only care for so long.
Finally, I guess some will label me as not a true fan. I won’t argue that. I will only say this. Even after I came back to my country 8 years ago where Football is not a popular sport and doesn’t get televised often. I still try every possible way (trust me it wasn’t an easy feast until NFL Game Pass was made available) so that I could watch Broncos play at 1 or 4 AM on Monday morning our time. I once considered myself a die-hard Broncos fan, but now I’m considering canceling my NFL Game Pass subscription. How ironic this is. I think the joke is on me.
P.S. I’m sorry if I made any grammar errors or not fully express myself as English is not my native language.
by Race to the rock bottom on Oct 3, 2011 4:16 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Great post!
I enjoyed reading it. I hope that the Broncos return to glory is right around the corner.
i was at the game
the most ashamed ive ever been in my life!!! we are the laughing stock of the nfl ppl!! were the bengals the browns the rams and seahawks, even worse because we believe in jesus on the bench, the season is over start jesus and lets see if hes our savior. having packer fans cheer tebow with me was hilarious but having them cheer elway and davis was bad….they know we suck and they knew it was gunna b a blowout, we are trash, our organization is even worse!! very ashamed very disappointed our qb under throws everyone and has ugly wobbly balls the packer fans that were in the stands who didnt kno to much about our team were talking among themselves saying " whos denvers qb hes really bad", and “wow this guy throws ducks” and everyone starts to quack!!! quack!!!! quack!!! i still here it!!! F U ORTTON
Even the long ball to Lloyd on the flea flicker
was an awful play by orton. He completely under threw Lloyd on what should have been a touch down. Even his longest completions are awful plays.
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Best chance to what.... what???
Thankfully, the best chance to win position, noble as it was, is near its final death blow. I can see how starting TT may have caused some dissension earlier in the season as if the management were throwing in the towel. At his point KO has proven what he is (again) and the rest of the team also has shown they are under matched so a change seems obvious. The Green Bay loss was to be expected and another butt kicking is looming against an under performing division rival San Diego this coming Sunday I am not a KO fan – I have said consistently that his skill set is not suited for a bad team like ours and I find him uninspiring, nonathletic, and a lacking something “special”. Additionally, plenty of game evidence exists on him to show what he is and is not. That being said, I don’t blame him for this loss. His interception to Woodson for a TD was a momentum changer and he had some other poor throws but the other two picks were not as critical. His stats were bolstered in the 2nd period when he played well so I give him his due there. In short, I thought KO was okay in the loss and even if he played lights out the results would have been a loss for us.
It is plausible and certainly arguable that we would be no worse off in the win/loss area if TT had started this season. Given similar game scenarios and no more turnovers than KO allowed, I would predict wins against Oakland and TN with TT playing instead of KO and the same results against the Bengals and Packers. This disrupts the best chance to win theory (although ultimately this team is not built to win much this season). I also keep thinking that IF TT was playing and had the same stats that KO has the critics would be throwing him far under the bus. The interceptions, the fumbles, the poor throws, the batted passes… the experts would be analyzing his throwing motion, reads, everything… At least the bar is LOW to compare TT to if/when he gets to play.
It is frustrating to lie in wait for TT to have a chance while KO does what he does and the rest of the team’s deficits are exposed. Aside from our non-play making QB, our o-line is average, our d-line is below average, our secondary is weak, our running game inconsistent and not inspiring. Our best player is our punter. At least with TT we see what we have to look forward to – a young up and comer gamer with special skills to make plays and the opportunity to improve into a “real” NFL QB or another college QB stud that busts out in the NFL. If the latter we start to focus our hope on a new QB for 2012 – Luck, Wilson, Landry… someone new… at least we know.
I am okay with the best chance to win party line up to now. Give this another week to boll over and if it is more of the same and we are 1-4 then TT should have his chance to succeed or fail. If this does not occur then I have no idea what the team’s management is thinking… I will be at a loss and feel complete futility and move on to wait for next year…
Kyle Orton as in Ortonairy... serviceable at best is what we hope for?
by turnman on Oct 3, 2011 7:34 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Well at least we don't have to see Green Bay again for 3 years.
So we’ve got that going for us.
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by MrFNSunshine on Oct 3, 2011 7:46 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
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for that ray of Sunshine.
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Just here surveying the damage...
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
OR!!!!!!!!!!
I just read that Fox said he played Kyle in the 4th because Kyle needed “experience in the system”. What!!!!???? Taken at face value, that has to be the most insipid comment I have ever heard from a Bronco coach and I’ve been a fan since the old Half A Loaf days (reference to Lou – not his son Nick – Saban). I won’t insult anyone by spoon feeding why the statement is wrong on so many levels. But I don’t think Fox is a total Neanderthal (or a genius). Like most of us, he falls one standard deviation either side of the bell curve in terms of intelligence. So something else is going on here. Ask yourselves this question: would Payton Manning be left in the game in that type of a situation where they are pinning your ears back? What if your guy sustained a season ending injury getting sacked? Your would never put a true franchise QB at risk by doing that! So what does they say about the brain trust’s view of Orton? I think it speaks volumes that Fox did not put Tebow into a likely no win situation. He did not throw Tim to the wolves and then say “see I told you he isn’t good”. You all seem to assume the glass is half empty. I am actually optimistic we will see Tebow soon enough and when the cards are stacked in his favor as much as possible.
Elway pretty much said the same thing, when he said they still don’t know what they have in Kyle Orton. I don’t know why these great football minds do not or can not understand that Orton is not a winner and will never be. There’s nothing left to say. Apathy begins at the top.
...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...
Aaron Rodgers doesnt text lewd pictures of his gentleman's sausage to woman 15 years his junior.
Ill take AR over BF
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
that's only cause it would be a felony for AR :)
IMO AR has much more class than BF on and off the field.
And I quote myself:
…. and ive got a funny feeling about this week. something crazy is going to happen
…. as if on que, Aaron Rodgers throws for 400 yds, and scores 6 touchdowns… Im gonna keep my mouth shut from now on.
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
I was kind of disinteested in the game as I was watchng it. All week long, I knew the Broncos had little chance and did not belong on the same field with the Packers, especially on the road. I watched the game and was not surprised at anything that I saw.
I was not excited with the hiring of Fox. He always seemed to be a dull, boring, noncreative old style coach. The NFL has changed at it is more than ever a QB league. Fox puts in Tebow for one play, has him run up the middle, and then says the Tebow package was unsuccesful and did not use it anymore. Screw Fox. Give him a play where he rolls out and has a run/pass option. Let him throw the ball, so the defense does not stack the middle against him. Is Fox really that stupid or does he think the fans are that stupid?
I would like to see Tebow play and see what he can do in the NFL, but if Fox wants to stay with ORton, that is fine with me. He gives us our best chance at losing and getting a top QB in the draft. I know Orton will lose. I don’t know about Quinn or Tebow, they might actually be able to make a game winning play or two.
I know that the Broncos have a lot of needs, but QB is by far the most important position on the team. That guy from Green Bay is a good example of this. So if we are never going to find out if Tebow is special then we better damn well draft a special QB while we still have these high draft picks.
by Broncos or Golf? on Oct 3, 2011 11:17 AM MDT reply actions
Went to the Texans\steelers game yesterday
And it was a breath of fresh air to see a good running game coupled with a good aerial attack. I love Kubiak and am glad he is having success early this year.
While i’ll always be a bronco fan, I might be following the Texans a little more closely for the rest of the season…
Four plays made all the difference
Five if you want to count the onside kick (brilliant coaching awareness on the GB sideline). That’s all that turned the score into a laugher.
1. Pick 6 should never have been thrown (especially to Woodson’s side of the field). Orton never considered going anywhere else before the snap, and the throw showed it. Watching the video, you can see Willis cringing in the background. He couldn’t believe it either. +7 GB
2. The ridiculous PI penalty adds +4 GB (they would have likely made the field goal from there)
3. The Fells fumble at the 4 (he probably falls to inside the 2 if he doesn’t lose the ball) costs us at least 3, I’m going to say 7—so +7 Denver if we don’t fumble.
4. The ridiculous under throw to Lloyd led to a GB score, but I’m only going to give us the +7 if it’s thrown where it should have been.
With those 4 plays, you subtract 11 from GB’s 49, giving them 38. You add 14 to our 24 (assuming no going for 2), and it’s all tied at 38. That’s right. Four plays. With the way Rodgers was playing, we likely lose late in the fourth, but what a different game it would have been. So lot’s of good to take away from an ugly final score, because it easily could have been a lot closer. This was the best the offense has looked all year. The defense got schooled by someone at the top of his game, which happens. Great teams overcome mistakes, we’re just not there yet.
Rahim Moore had a chance
for a pick late in the first half, that would have eliminated another scoring chance…
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 3, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Trouble is...
you have to count those 4 plays. You could make this same case for any game, any team. Trouble is this team makes those kinds of plays instead of the kinds of plays that determine winners. It’s like golf you have to count every bad shot and many of us make a lot of them. Wouldn’t it be nice if it were like tennis and you got a new set to recover from your errors. You pointed out quite eloquently what this team is and that is: the recipient of a 49-24 butt whopping, all errors included!
What I think
Ok I know that Green Bay was going to be tough to beat but what about the other games we should have won . Orton didn’t do good against those QBs . One of them was a rookie and he almost beat us……… Are we just playing the games with Orton to improve his stats PLEASE I can car less about how good his stats are we ain’t winning games with Orton good stats. We need a Change in QB I think Tebow shows a lot on the sidelines he wants to play the game evan if he has to play wideout. He always is readly to play just like a good QB should I like that aout him. They need to give Tebow a chance he deserves that.
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He does look good in orange ;o)
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The picture of KO on this post is just priceless considering how bad we lost
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 3, 2011 6:19 PM MDT reply actions
That's a great find. It literally made me laugh out loud the first time I saw it. Good for some awkward looks from my coworkers...
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 3, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I felt bad for Orton before the season started as he was subjected to more than his fair share of unfair criticism, and he has responded by being nothing but a class act the entire time he has been here. However, I just can’t make excuses for this guy anymore. Looking at the situation objectively, Orton’s at his very best when he’s a game manager who plays mistake free football, but he hasn’t been anywhere close to this over the past 2 seasons. I can’t feel bad for a guy who has gone 6-21 over his past 27 starts.
After we (probably) lose to yet another division rival at home next week, it will be interesting to see what transpires in Broncos Country over the bye week and into the rest of the season. I’m going to love to hear Fox continue to defend a guy who will not better not be here next year. In this scenario, Broncos fans are going to get about as collectively pissed off as I have seen them in my lifetime. Just how hard headed do you think Fox will be able to get before he starts getting death threats?
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by manbearpig5000000 on Oct 3, 2011 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
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