The Future is Now: Denver Broncos, QB Tim Tebow Destined For Greatness
This ain't Gainesville anymore.
This is not the Sugar Bowl against Cincinnati, this isn't a big rivalry game against Alabama. It's not even the National Championship game against Oklahoma.
This is the NFL, and Tim Tebow is ready.
When the Denver Broncos drafted Tim Tebow in 2010, it satisfied a personal goal of mine as one of the thousands of armchair general managers that our beloved team has. Not only that, I fully believe the Broncos made one of the best moves in franchise history by taking a shot on this guy.
There was a ton of speculation leading up to the draft of where Tebow would land, who would be a good fit for him, what coach he needed to play for to succeed, how he needed to change his throwing motion, et al.
That didn't change the fact that from the minute this guy picked up a football, he was a flat out stud and a leader wise beyond his years. When you are talking about evaluating a quarterback, in my personal opinion, Tim Tebow possesses every single quality you look for that coaches simply cannot coach.
Athleticism. Toughness. Leadership. Poise. Work ethic. Strong arm. Well-spoken. Gamer. Coachable.
You name it, Tebow's got it, except for he doesn't throw the ball the same way Tom Brady and Peyton Manning do, so he should automatically be a third round pick and move to tight end/h-back, right?
Wrong.
Tebow would have gone to the Vikings in the first round had it not been for the Broncos snatching him up right before, and he would have gone to Buffalo in the early portion of the second round at the latest. NFL teams were not buying the crap that was being sold by guys like Todd McShay--they were buying into the man that Tim Tebow is.
Now, Tebow is in his second stint as the Broncos' starting quarterback after the team decided to go with Kyle Orton for the first four-and-a-half games this season. The fans are buzzing, the media is talking, and everyone is watching now as Tebow gets set to make his season debut on Sunday against the Miami Dolphins.
If you ask me, this is the beginning of something great for Denver.
It's not always going to be pretty, but is it ever? It's not always going to be conventional, but is it ever? When Tim Tebow takes the field, fans are going to be on the edge of their seat until he gives us reason not to be.
When I evaluated Tebow coming out of college, I graded him as a sure-fire top 10 pick. I don't care if you think I'm crazy, it's just the way it is for me. Obviously, Tebow wasn't a top ten pick but I think in the end teams will regret not taking him there.
The arguments against Tebow really back his supporters into a corner:
"When has a Florida quarterback ever succeeded in the NFL?"
"How often do Heisman Trophy winners translate to the NFL?"
"Running quarterbacks just can't make it in this league."
"Tebow's throwing motion is awful."
"Tim Tebow's arm muscles are too big, preventing him from throwing the ball correctly."
"Just because he was great in college doesn't mean he will be great in the pros."
These are some of the many arguments I hear all the time, and frankly I'm glad for all of it to end. The time is now for everyone who supports Tebow and all those who don't believe in him to let it be. Stop saying what Tebow is going to do and watch his career develop.
Pretty much everyone and their dog has offered up an opinion of what the future might hold for Tebow, and at this point, the rest is going to be up to Tebow and the Broncos to show what they are made of, starting with the Miami Dolphins on Sunday.
If it doesn't end up working out with Tebow, I don't think the Broncos should be chastised for drafting him, but you know the guys who predicted his downfall before he ever got a chance will be glad to go on air and let everyone know they were right about Tebow failing, and how the Broncos wasted their time.
I don't see that happening.
This guy has something that very few people--much less football players--have in today's world. He's a natural born leader and he thrives under pressure. I always go back to the quote from the movie Remember the Titans:
"Attitude reflects leadership."
I think the attitude of this team will change drastically now that the leadership of the team has changed. That is no offense to Kyle Orton, who by all accounts is a great guy, it's just that Tebow approaches the game quite a bit differently.
Is it not comforting to know that our quarterback is a guy who is the first one to work and the last one to leave?
Tebow isn't the only guy on the Broncos who works hard, but when you have a young quarterback as charismatic as he is, he's going to receive quite a bit of attention.
There are other aspects of this game to be focusing on, for sure, but Tebow will dominate the headlines for the rest of the season, win or lose.
The Broncos' success in the future depends on these last 11 games, and largely on the play of Tim Tebow as well. As I have said before, if Tim does well and the Broncos start winning games, this team can use the draft to focus on building around him.
Ultimately, that's what I think will happen. I am not sure what Tebow's future looks like, but I know that I have always maintained a belief that he will be a winning quarterback in the NFL, and furthermore I think he can be a star in this league at some point.
It all starts in Miami. The Broncos are taking their talents to South Beach and I am extremely excited to see what the future holds for this group of guys. Contrary to what some people think, I believe the front office does believe in Tim Tebow and I think they were just like the previous regime, which was simply taking it slow with him.
The only reason there was controversy this season is because Tebow came in at the end of last season and played well, something not a lot of people expected to happen. Then, in what appeared to be another blowout against the Chargers, Tebow came in and played well once again.
We have a very limited sample to take from this guys career--only 14 quarters to this point--so obviously there remains a lot of skepticism about Tebow's future.
I think it's been a long time since the Broncos have had a guy like this, and I think that the front office and coaching staff see what he is capable of doing when the pressure is highest.
At this point, we've heard from players, coaches, analysts, fans, and pretty much everyone else who has not been living under a rock.
Now is the time for Tebow to prove to us what he's all about. Now is the time for the Broncos to give us more than just a glimpse of the future.
Our future is now.
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Awesome post, Sayre
Besides enjoying, I agree with your observations here… really great ones. I do think he can win at this level… and the best part: for the Broncos!
I’m really anxious about sunday. This will be the first time that he will start because he gives us the best chance to win. Last season he started 3 games, but due to an injury suffered by Kyle. Now it’s really the Tebow time! The all 4 QBs are ready to play, but HE will start and show us how a clutch QB can lead the Broncos!
I put a big hope on him. Thank you for this post.
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I bleed Orange & Blue.
THIS IN MY OPINION. IS THE BEST ARTICLE IVE READ HERE IN 3 YEARS
I read this about Tim Tebow and can’t help but smile. I’ve been preaching this same idea to some great friends “bears fans” about how Timmy just has IT and Orton doesn’t. They seem to think that Orton hasn’t had a fair shot and in turn its affected ability to succeed, I just think he sucks! Anyways its Tebow time GO BRONCOS
WE WILL MOVE ON!!
by milehighhitter505 on Oct 20, 2011 11:22 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Absolutely!
Thanks for the breath of fresh air Sayre! I’m with you 100%! GO BRONCOS! GO TEBOW!!!
destructofisto
by stuckinsandiego on Oct 20, 2011 11:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I CANT WAIT!!!!
IM DRIVING DOWN TO MIAMI FOR THE GAME WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
NO WORDS FOR HOW PUMPED I AM!
My Roommate and i played a game of Madden last night (Broncos @ Dolphins) and everytime anything happened that was remotely good…i would turn and just say “Its cause of Tim Tebow”
just to mess with him. I like to remind him that his starting QB backed up Tebow at Florida(He’s a Panthers Fan)
Well have fun and I hope Tebow and the Broncos win for you.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Thanks for reading!
Here’s to the future of the Broncos!
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Here, here!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 20, 2011 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I just have one thing to say:
Tim Tebow’s arm muscles are too big..
Preposterous..
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
You are right.
It’s his big nose – it blocks his vision and that is why he is not accurate. He needs a nose job to be an effective QB in this league.
I heard his armpits smell funny
And it’s way too distracting for him to ever have a throwing motion which won’t result in at least 5 interceptions every game.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 20, 2011 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions
I heard it was because he is legally blind in five states
and dyslexic and cross-eyed and a cyclops.
People fear the Tebow because they do not understand the Tebow.
The only thing we have to fear is being overwhelmed by the physical awesomeness.
Bronco fan.
Also a part-time tweeterer-er @broncosmontana.
by broncosmontana on Oct 20, 2011 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL "Do not Understand the Tebow"
The Tebow
…made me laugh. There is something about him that is just damn unique with his combination of raw talent work ethic and will to do the best he can. Somehow he can pull off a clean cut image because that’s honestly who is really is which is just damn refreshing in this age of spoiled professional athletes.
LOL!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 20, 2011 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Couldn't help but chuckle when I saw the headlines in Chicago today.
Cutler tells the OC to tell Martz to go f himself. Meanwhile in Denver the Tebow era begins and everyone is watching, half to gain affirmation that they were right and half to prove they were right that he is not an NFL QB. I’m with you Sayre, so thanks for the post. Rec’d
"I'm just honored and blessed to represent the Denver Broncos and will do everything in my power to help this team win games" Tim Tebow when asked how it felt to be named the starter.
What a guy Jay is
Thanks for reading!
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
Wow. Just wow. Cutler should have told Martz to his face — before he was hired to scheme protections for him.
Bronco fan.
Also a part-time tweeterer-er @broncosmontana.
by broncosmontana on Oct 20, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Who is this Cutler person you speak of?
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
a crybaby
dont worry about that guy
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Jay Cutler is a professional bodybuilder.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
Follow @MHR_Troy
by Troy Hufford on Oct 20, 2011 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, thanks.
Now I remember…
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Jay Cutler was the talented 25yr old pro bowl QB
that Josh McDaniels spitefully forced out of town and traded away from the Broncos.
Remember? Jay Cutler was the 25yr old pro bowl QB that had a better year statisticly in his third year in the league then the great John Elway had during his entire 16yr HoF career.
Is this ringing a bell or are you people deaf and blind?
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I was actually joking
However I am assuming you knew that
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Here we go again...
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I ride the fence on if Tebow will be a sucess in the NFL...
But I will always support the team! If he is our quarterback, than he has my full support. I really hope he can prove the MSM guys wrong…again. One thing is for sure, Bronco games are much more exciting with him behind center. I just want it to translate into wins.
Go Broncos!
Hop off the fence!
Plenty of room on the bandwagon! ;)
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
True that
We gotta hitch our wagon to Tebow while the hitching is good…
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow!
Well that’s me ready for Sunday’s game now …………. just got to get through Friday and Saturday first!
Rec'd
i don’t know if he’s gonna be a great QB or a star in the NFL, I’m happy that the defense is getting better and that Tebow is finally the starting QB. Go Broncos!!!
He will be unlike anything you have every seen!!!
I watched all his games in college and im a Die hard Dolphin Fan, so you would think sunday would be a hard day for me. But it wont be, I will be Rooting for Tebow all day long. I will be watching the game with the same Dolphin fans that i always watch my games with. I will be yelling at them every time Tebow makes a play. Example when Tebow threw the screen pass to Moreno my friends are saying “Its a simple screen play” “there are no defenders around Moreno and he had 4 blockers in front of him” My response “i’ve seen Chad Henne overthrow them all the time and why do you think Moreno was wide open? because all the attention was on Tebow.” HE will be a Red Zone scoring machine.
LETS GO HEAT!!!!!!!
Joel Anthony is the man
Henne please don't be good be Great
I to am looking forward to this weekend and the next 11 games
While I respectfully disagree with your evaluation I support the move and look forward to seeing if Tebow proves us naysayers wrong. My biggest fear is that Coach Fox pulls the crap he pulled in Carolina and switches QBs after a poor game. The next 11 games should be Tebow’s. Win or Lose.
When did Fox ever do that?
He made 2 QB changes due to performance his entire time in Carolina. Rodney Peete for Jake Delhomme and Matt Moore for Jimmy Clausen (and I think he went back to Moore later in the year). He never flip flopped between guys.
However, if Tebow plays like Peete, Moore, or Clausen did then Andrew Luck will be the Broncos starting QB next year and at that point might as well see what we have in Quinn as well.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
That my point... young QBs like Clausen will struggle.
If Tebow has a bad game does it really make sense to bring in Brady Quinn??? or to go back to Orton? Or maybe he will get a QB off the street to spite the FO, he pulled that last season also.
He didn't switch Clausen though after one game
Clausen played majority of the year and did absolutely nothing to prove he should be a starter. Fox probably stuck with Clausen longer than he should’ve. Clausen wasn’t bad but we definitely see something in him. He was just bad.
If Tebow plays like Clausen did, Andrew Luck will be our starting QB next year.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
He started with Matt Moore… then it was Clausen for a half… THen he got some guy named ST Pierre off the street. Then he went to Clausen, then back to Moore and Clausen finished the season. I dont want that type of circus after a loss. Im not just talking about this week. Any week. He needs to stick with Tebow the next 11 weeks.
by Damon322 on Oct 20, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Clausen started 10 games last year
he was pulled after 3 games because he had a below 50% completion percentage, 1-3 TD-INT ratio, 7 fumbles, and 50 QB rating. They went back to him later (I think Moore got hurt) but he suffered a concussion which is why they picked up St. Pierre.
If Tebow plays this bad, I do not at all expect Fox to stick with him.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I do. Playing a scrub and a journeyman makes zero since
If Tebow struggles he should have a chance to make progress. Trust me I am not a big fan of Tebow as a big time NFL QB, however now is the time to find out and 1 or 2 bad games shouldn’t be the deciding factor.
I'm not saying that I think he should get pulled after one or two bad games
the point of my first reply was that Fox never makes a QB change unless due to injury or that QB is dreadful and Clausen was dreadful.
Clausen showed absolutely no reason for the Panthers to stick with him. Tebow already has shown reason to stick with him so I doubt Fox will pull him due to one bad game.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Clausen played on a team that sucked
Steve Smith was hurt and there O line was decimated. He was not the problem in CAR. Did he really think starting St Pierre was the future of CAR or going back to Moore?
If Tebow struggles these next 2 games, my concern if Fox will make a change.
I know what your trying to say but I don't think you should be worried
Like I said before Clausen started 10 games last year (St. Pierre only started because both Moore and Clausen were hurt) and didn’t show any reason for them to stick with him. He showed no fire and no ability to lead. He pulled an Orton if you will but with even less throwing accuracy.
Tebow has already shown way more than Clausen has. They could’ve given Clausen two years and it wouldn’t have made a difference. Clausen went into the preseason on as the Panthers starter this year but after showing virtually no improvement and posting a 50 QB rating Newton was named the starter for the season.
If Tebow plays as bad as Clausen did, it won’t matter if they stick with Tebow or not, Andrew Luck will be the starting QB for the broncos next year.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Want proof
in 3 starts last year Tebow accounted for more points than Clausen did in 10 starts.
Unless Tebow all of a sudden loses what makes Tebow, Tebow, we’ll see a lot of him.
Unless of course the MSM is actually right and EFX actually hate his guts and are only playing him to appease the fans.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
We will...
I firmly believe that Coach Fox doesnt care for young QBs or the growing pains that come with them. For proof. See the QB competition, that wasn’t once Orton wasn’t traded.
I think your mixing up growing pains for suckage
don’t forget Fox once started an undrafted rookie QB for 15 games of a season. Another thing is that Fox already knew he would not be returning to the panthers this year before the 2010 season started so why would he give a crap about their future.
As for QB competition, he did the right thing. He went with the guy who at the time was the clear best. If he would’ve benched Orton just because Tebow has a brighter future, you would’ve seen a mutiny take place among the veterans seeing as he would’ve been telling the team that the season was already lost before it started.
True QB competitions are stupid and never work. What’s the famous saying “when you prepare two guys to start, you just end up with zero who are actually ready”. Ask Brady Quinn how his QB competition went in Cleveland. Fox has done pretty much everything I would’ve done so far and I see no reason why he would all of a sudden change course. Tebow will be allowed to make mistakes as long as he continues to do what he is doing and that is leading the team and scoring TD’s.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Oct 20, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I’m looking forward to the games as well.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Great post Sayre
I think the attitude of this team will change drastically now that the leadership of the team has changed. That is no offense to Kyle Orton, who by all accounts is a great guy, it’s just that Tebow approaches the game quite a bit differently.
This is the only part I differ on you. This should be an offense to Kyle because, IMO, it’s the reason we’ve been suffering for the past few years. Orton loses a huge game and it’s no spilled milk. Tebow loses a big game and you hear one of the greatest speeches of all time.
I was wrong about Tebow on draft day and bow down to you and others who predicted that this kid will be special. I can now only hope with everything I have that you’re right about everything else and that the front office will start building a (for the love of all that’s holy I can’t think of this stupid word — but it’s what teams are called when they dominate a decade and win multiple super bowls…) around Tebow.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 20, 2011 11:37 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Completely agree
I expect Tim to make us competitive immediately, Orton made us losers. One of the biggest parts of the games is in your mind and Tim can change that for the Broncos. He is a winner and the Broncos will be winners.
Kyle Orton Sucks…except for practice
by LovedemBroncs on Oct 20, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
No offense to Kyle Orton but he just did not seem to have a second gear to kick it when things went sour
Kyle always seemed to be just competent but just lacked the mojo to be great or the ability to reach greatness.
Whenever we got behind I felt the game was lost. Back when John Elway was leading the Broncos I always felt we had a chance for a comeback in the 4th quarter and we would go down clawing and fighting not just with a whimper.
Just the last desperation hail mary play that failed last week made me glad to be a Broncos fan because I felt we had a chance to go down fighting and that’s what I think “The Tebow” brings.
All NFL teams have huge talent on their rosters and I think its often the intangibles that make them rise above other teams year after year.
Tebow gives me hope. Even if we have a losing season its going to be fun to see how Tebow and the team develops and that makes me excited once again as a Broncos fan. Watching Kyle Orton play out a losing season would bore me to death.
Dynasty!
That’s the word I couldn’t think of lol.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 20, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Write this down-
Tebow will change the way football is played in Denver forever! John Elway started it, Tim Tebow will complete it!
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm fairly certain we're going to see a Brian Dawkins moment out of Tim at the start of the game
I can just see him jumping up and down hollering at the players getting them pumped to DOMINATE. TAAAAAKE IIIT!!
I seem to remember seeing a video of him in the locker room at Florida just screaming at the players. I"m sure we’ll see the same thing, very soon, in the NFL. Love it!
I’m very excited for Sunday and I haven’t felt this way in several years. I want Tebow to succeed if only so that I can continue to be excited for Bronco Football!!!
I think I have good ideas sometimes. I just suck at communicating them.
by Jason Witte on Oct 20, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Like a Drew Brees:
Who are We: Saints
1,2 win for you
3,4 win some more
5,6 win for kicks
7,8 win its great
9,10 win again win again
win again win again
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a good post
The reason that the Broncos have been suffering the past few years is because of Josh McDaniels and to a lesser degree Mike Shannahan.
I’m excited about Tebow and the game this weekend too but don’t bow down to anyone here and definitely don’t be bowing down for Tebow just yet. Let’s see how this all plays out.
Okay, back to scanning.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton's apathy symbolizes everything that's been wrong with us the past few years
So, right or wrong, I’m tying everything negative that we’ve endured to that symbol.
As far as bowing down, sometimes a man has to admit he was wrong and others were right. One of the hardest things in the world to do, but an important part of staying humble and keeping yourself in check. In this case, even if Tebow doesn’t pan out, I now believe that the risk we took on him was well worth it. And since I was screaming the opposite the day we picked him, I was wrong. So those out there who had to hear me bitch and moan not only deserve an apology for that, they deserve to have me humble myself to them and I’ll happily do so.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 20, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Understood
and I agree about humility and unfortunately for most, humility and manhood go together like Raiders and Broncos. But don’t you want to see how the rest of the season pans out before bowing to anyone? And as you know, Josh McDaniels absolutely must own the failures during his tenure so I wouldn’t put it on Orton at all.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not even saying Tebow is going to be any good at all yet.
But just looking at the information we have from him and seeing how he can spark the team and crowd alike have made me change my mind about drafting the kid and giving him a chance. He definitely has earned the right for us to take a good long look at him and see what he can do, and with his potential and attributes he deserved to go in the first-round, and I now think (even though he might be a risk) we got him for a steal.
As far as McD, I’m over it. He wasn’t ready for the responsibility we gave him and he screwed up royally. There are a lot of people that should take blame for what happened under him. Unfortunately for Kyle, in my mind, he became the face for this whole debacle when he continued to blame others and not care throughout the whole mess. The era of McD won’t end for me until Kyle is gone for good.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 20, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Good point.
Not bowing down to the fact that Tebow will be great, and that he is the answer, just that at this point in time he is good for the franchise…
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Tim Tebow hasn't earned anything in the NFL
Sounds more like you’re saying Orton failed and the Josh McDaniles era will never end as long as Tim Tebow is on the team. For some McDaniels detractors that is their problem with Tebow but not for me.
I like the guy, I’m rooting for him, I’m excited about the rest of this season and I think that the MFL needs more educated, well spoken and selfless players in the league before it turns into the MBA. More Polynesians/Pacific Islanders would not hurt either. I’m having a hard time watching the MFL anymore because of all the players and agents that are ruining the game that I love.
But there’s no denying that Josh McDaniels gave up too much for Tebow and Tebow did not earn the starting QB job this year. It was given to him by default.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice risk for possible great reward
Plus Tebow being our second first round pick was made possible by all of our trading in the draft picks that day to earn picks that we used to trade back into the first round. Its not like we started the day with two first round picks. We traded picks we had gained by trading down to move back up to select Tebow.
He is too skittish in the pocket
there is nothing he has done to show he will succeed in NFL
there are plenty of reasons to doubt
but nothing definite we have seen either way
why does he get such preferential and polarizing treatment?
ideology. I want him to succeed but also am embarassed
by all the fawning. why not treat him and the situation for what it is.
by heykyleinsf on Oct 20, 2011 11:40 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Well stated.... You would think the guy went 3-0 last season
He is a 1-3 QB thats not a winner. Now he has an opportunity to lead the Broncos and should be evaluated accordingly. Not by how exciting a loss was. Maybe its just me but ALL losses suck. Doesnt matter whether its Orton or Tebow
Are you really trying to judge Tebow based on his first
three starts in his rookie year with no time with the first offense? What is Cam Newtons record? What was John Elways record his rookie year, Peyton Mannings? Seriously!
Kyle Orton Sucks…except for practice
by LovedemBroncs on Oct 20, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 15 recs
Im not judging Tebow based on his first 3 starts...
But with some of the rhetoric above I thought maybe I was confused and we didnt go 1-2 last season with Tebow at the helm. I keep hearing winner and how things changed? well we didnt win at the end of last season and until we do start winning nothing has changed.
Tebow was ALMOST 2-1
The chargers got Tebow twice now..he led 2 comebacks against them, and IF he would have won that game last year we would not have VON. So things work out for a reason, but one thing is certain about Tebow, he LIGHTS IT UP WHEN THE PRESSURE IS ON!
Almost 2-1????
Is this horseshoes? A loss is a loss. There are no moral victories in the NFL and ultimately he lost and struggled in both Chargers games.
hand grenades?
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
lol
It doesn’t matter what a spitball hits, its funny
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
If he loses the next 2 will you hop off the bandwagon and call him a loser?
Its deeper then that. If he plays well puts up 30 points and the team losses then that counts for something. If he plays poorly and they beat Miami 7-6 then no I wont be hopping on his bandwagon.
I want to see Tebow play like an NFL QB. I dont want to see 20 screen passes and smoke’s and 5 QB draws as we lose by 14.
by Damon322 on Oct 20, 2011 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
A Win is a Win, RIGHT!
Who gives a crap how you win as long as you DO!
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I didnt say I wouldnt be happy...
But every player is being evaluated every game. If I use your logic lets say the Broncos go 9-2 over the next 11… But Franklin gives up 2 sacks a game. Should he remain the starter because we won games? No
So if Tebow plays well and the defense stinks he shouldnt be criticized for a loss… just like if he stinks it up and throws 3 picks and we win he shouldnt be praised.
The broncos scored 23, 24, and 28 points
In Tebow’s first three starts, and their record is 1-2. According to your argument, he did a pretty good job, and the defense sucked.
THey only scored 23 points against the Raiders… after winning the turnover battle and 4-0 and lost by 16… Bad job
24 points against the worse DEF in NFL history is allright but that took a 17 point comeback because Tebow stunk the first half. Big props for coming back.
21 points (7 came on a kickoff) against the Chargers again isnt great. So I would say thus far Tebow has been pretty average.
Average is pretty good for a guy just starting out
if average is his start then his ceiling is high
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
We saw a limited gameplan
If our new offense is going to be 50% screens and QB draws we are going to struggle to win games. Last year they wanted to keep the score down and protect Tebow by limiting his throws downfield. This works when you have a top 5 DEF. We dont.
Even with a limited game plan
The guy put points on the board. A lot more than Orton. I want to see more
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
That's good!
His first 3 starts in the NFL and he is already an average NFL QB. I can’t wait to see what he does with 1st team reps over a longer period of time.
Thats what I'm saying
If his start is average then with experience he’ll be at the very least good
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
If you had to rank Tebow would he be in the top 15 of QBs?
No. Not even close. Until the coaching staff removes the training wheels it will be impossible to evaluate Tebow. I know he can throw a screen pass. 99% of all QBs can. Thats not going to get us wins. I want to see the deep outs and the skinny post. I want to see sustained drives and accurate passes. This 11 games should be Tebows chance to prove he is a viable NFL starter.
Tebow has 2 words for you:
"‘ppreciate that!"
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, Damon
How do you feel about letting Tebow take the lead at QB for the remainder of his contract, and THEN decide whether he’ll work out in the NFL or not?
That’s the thing to me… So many are ready to ‘latch on’ to one side or the other, not that I’m a fence rider myself – I’ve seen enough from Tebow to be confident…. Why not allow him to play a full couple seasons as starter, like NORMAL, before we decide whether he’s worth a roster spot or not?
How do soooo many people (mainly haters) seem to forget that QB’s don’t just get drafted and come into the NFL, and viola, are just awesome.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 20, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean 3 years? Cmon
Did Jimmy Clausen deserve 3 years to figure out if he was the one. Does Colt McCoy deserve 3 years? This is the NFL, its a production business and either you make it happen or you get replaced.
This is Tebow’s chance to take hold of this team… Just like Sanchez, Ryan, Bradford and Newton have. Coach Fox didnt draft Tebow and isnt tied to him. No coach should have to be stuck with a QB he didnt draft for several years.
by Damon322 on Oct 20, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK
That’s your opinion. Got it.
I’m saying from what I’ve seen from him so far, he has ALREADY earned the right to get more ‘chances’ – what would have happened if the Broncos gave up on Elway after one or two seasons? And that’s just my opinion, I just wanted to gain perspective. Thank you for the respectable reply.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 20, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Earned?
A 1-2 record and 50% completion pct earns you 3 years? I like what Mike Holgrem said about Colt McCoy and believe this is very relevent to the Tebow debate.
Really?
Bradford is 0-5 this year with a passing completion percentage of 49%. So we can evaluate Tebow with a 1-2 record as a starter, and not give him time to develop, or at least show that he has the potential to be a top NFL qb. All those putting Tebow down because he was 1-2 as a rookie, need to be consistent. Bradford is 0-5 with a horrible passing completion percentage. Guess he should be dumped now.
by bronco.fan on Oct 20, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
As of right now no
But I’m saying he has plenty of room to grow. And Kyle Orton falls into the 1% of QBs who cant throw a screen. When they have allowed him to throw deep he’s pretty good at it. Ive seen several nice PA deep passes from him so far. I think he will grow into a good QB. As of right now I would rank him somewhere around 20th. He needs to be more accurate but makes up for it by scoring
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
20??? wow
I had him around 30… better then Kerry Collins and Orton. Equal to Gabbert and Tavarais Jackson and behind McCoy, Bradford, and Grossman. We will see over the next 11 weeks
Yes we will
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
That's the beauty thereof
we shall see for ourselves. I hope to see propitious results, but we shall see!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Rank Tebow in that draft tho...
What other QBs were taken after him?
Seriously, not trying to make a point, just thought i would be interesting to see. Ill let someone else do the leg work.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
are those play calls tebow's fault though?
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 20, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Not at all...
But I still cant evaluate a guy who throws more screens, bubble screens and smokes then Missisippi State. That is why I hope Tebow is given the full offense.
It seems when they took the training wheels off last year he did alright. I would say McCoy needs to show us something and devise some new tricks for Tebow other than the wild horse. In fact I would say a lot of the offensive woes fall on McCoy, cause the playcalling was vanilla even for Orton, as seen in the Tenn game. 3 calls up the middle for McGahee?!?! Tell me that didnt piss you off
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
when did they take the training wheels off?
Even in the Chargers game, the number of screens and draws are ridiculous. You arent going to beat many team if thats your base offense. Especially with the 30th ranked DEF. To me McCoy is trying to protect Tebow. Thats not what we need. He needs to be given the full playbook.. audibles and checks and lets see how he does. I dont expect him to be Peyton Manning or Brady but if you dont trust the guy to throw the football down the field then we are going nowhere.
Maybe McCoy's playbook isn't that big
Did you see much difference between Tebow’s and Orton’s games as far as playcalling? Cause both looked pretty vanilla to me.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
did you see how many screens were a part of the game plan with Orton under center last year?
That was just McD’s scheme. Its about execution not calls. Just because you don’t like the calls doesn’t mean its a knock on the QB and just because an OC calls those plays doesn’t mean its because the QB can’t do anything else.
We’ll still see draws and screens because our offense hasn’t changed much and draws play to the QBs strengths but we’ll also see some balls thrown down field.
I just question your reasons for judgment of the success of the QB position.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 21, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Struggled?
What game were you watching? In the last game this season, I saw Orton stink up the field bad, and the game was essentially over by halftime. I don’t think anyone expected to win no matter who the QB was. Tebow almost pulled it off despite all odds. And it was exciting! And I want to state something that I think is being overlooked by you, and others… Yes the team lost, but the loss does not go to Tebow. He had nothing to do with the loss. That loss went to the Orton led Broncos in the first half. Tebow IS 1-2 as starting QB. Don’t twist the facts.
"It’s not what you did last year. It’s what you’re going to do this year. That’s more important." - Albert Pujols
Amost?
Where do team rankings show W(on) L(ost) T(ied) and A(lmost)?
Working on that theory we ALMOST won the Superbowl with Orton! OK – bit of a stretch!
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by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 21, 2011 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions
On that stretch, Orton was almost 3-0 to start the year
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
we went 3-10 though and you were still defending Orton. Why can you not defend Tebow at 1-2 just the same?
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 20, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe our 32nd ranked DEF and 32nd ranked run DEF had something to do with it....
And I never blamed Tebow for the 1-2 record. just like i dont blame Orton for going 3-10…I simply pointed out that 1-2 isnt exactly reason to be celebrating the start of a dynasty. Tebow doesnt need defending and thats the thing many of you dont get. If he plays well he will be praised, if he doesnt he will be criticized. But why does everyone feel the need to ordain him NFL MVP when he hasnt done much in the NFL. Tebow time is now. Lets sit back and see what we have.
by Damon322 on Oct 20, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually
Aaron Rodgers is league MVP and Jimmy Graham of the Saints must be on the All-pro team, have you seen this kid play, he makes the sickest catches you’ve ever seen. GO BRONCOS!!!
Brad James
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
your words just a few comments up:
“He is a 1-3 QB thats not a winner. Now he has an opportunity to lead the Broncos and should be evaluated accordingly. Not by how exciting a loss was. Maybe its just me but ALL losses suck. Doesnt matter whether its Orton or Tebow”
Sounds like you are blaming him for his record. Fair enough. If he wins ugly, you should be happy.
If he doesn’t win, you don’t have anything to worry about.
Laughable
Comparing a rookie, coming in and setting records for a pass and run for TD’s against Oakland in his first game, bringing the team back from a 17 point deficit in his second, and playing the Chargers tough in his third, with a SIX year NFL veteran quarterback with years of starting experience. Are these people for real? Trying to compare Tebow’s solid 1-2 performances with Orton’s what 6-21 in his last 27 games as a starter. Give me a break. What a bunch of nonsense. Let’s see how Tebow progresses with 10 or 11 games left this year, against some tough competition, before we start comparing him to 6 year NFL veterans.
by bronco.fan on Oct 20, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe you should tell all of us what the situation is?
there is nothing he has done to show he will succeed in NFL—-Open your eyes, don’t be blinded. He lead us back from 17 and then when the O seemed dead vs SD just a little over 1 week ago. Tebow came in and awoke a sleeping Giant!
there are plenty of reasons to doubt—-Where!?! All he has ever done was win and succeed when people told him he couldn’t
why does he get such preferential and polarizing treatment?—-He is Tim Tebow!
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably has something to do with the fact that he is the greatest player in college football history.
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
? fill me in.
All I remember is Meyer tearing a younger player a new one when, after TT graduated, the guy said “now we can get a real QB”, or something like that……BTW, how did that work out for them?
Urban meyer did an interview today..
He said Tebow was the best to ever play the game (in his opinion)….that he has never seen a player so hard working and selfless…
by Tuscani on Oct 20, 2011 10:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There is something to be said for him having achieved greatness in a similar capacity
Of course playing QB in college football is not the same as in the NFL. but its closer than other things.
He also is a young talented athlete and physical specimen who is smarter than the average bear. Seems like NFL level training can help with mechanics of his throwing motion.
The lack of OTA during the offseason and lack of first team reps during training camp hurt his development.
Stay tuned then heykyleinsf!
The show’s just getting started and you’ve got a front row seat. You don’t have to understand what the difference is. Many fans already sense it, the media is starting to sense it, soon enough you will as well.
"I'm just honored and blessed to represent the Denver Broncos and will do everything in my power to help this team win games" Tim Tebow when asked how it felt to be named the starter.
Oh I intend to...
but there just isn’t anything he’s done to prove one way or another..
if you ask me right now? He’s going to be figured out.
He is having some success because he is so unconventional..
but all defenses need to do is key on his strengths and expose his weaknesses.
Now a good running game will go a long way.
Of course defense has to keep games close.
I even buy into the excitement factor being an edge..
But a LOT of this is going to soon be nostalgia.
Tebow has some weaknesses.. glaring ones.
Teams are going to get intimately familiar to his game.
It will be at that point when we see if he has enough moxy
to overcome his short-comings.
I am relieved that Elway and Fox aren’t sold hook, line and sinker.
We have an opportunity in next year’s draft to get a franchise QB..
I fear that too many are head over heels in love with Tebow
to accept somebody new.. and I also fear his fan base has
other things to like besides football.. which is unfair to anyone else
competing for the job.
shortcomings...
every player in the league has shortcomings. every great qb does. brady and manning are quite immobile. the thing is, they adjust other aspects of their game in order to adjust to the adjustments.
you dont think Tebow can adjust? this isnt just some mobile, athletic quarterback. there are plenty of those, and they get added to the rosters of football teams every year, and never see or hear the light of day.
Tebow is a notch above. he will change the game.
meeeeow -cats everywhere
by Jay Fin Anderson on Oct 20, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Upon further review, i think he is.
It certainly felt like preferential treatment when he “won” the starting job in camp.
Then again, i wasn’t there, and they are the experts.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Why?
Probably because he is the best college QB of all time, and even those who don’t think he will be a good NFL QB know that. That’s why we gush. He is a living legend, even if it was for what he did in college and not the NFL yet.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best college QB of alltime?
Cmon
- Frazier
- Lienhart
- Tim Tebow
Great college career nonetheless.
Now you are smoking something....I am a USC fan and Leinart not with in coo ee of Tebow. Dont be contrarian for contrarians sake Damon.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
I hate USC and FL so I am unbiased
Lienhart was amazing at USC. Won 2 National as a STARTER and played for a 3rd. Won the PAC 10 every year. 37-2 as a starter
Tebow won 1 title as a starter and only 1 SEC championship as a starter. Cmon man I know you love Tebow but being #3 ALL time is pretty darn good
Declaring that you are unbiased
= biased.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
USC had 3 players from that stretch go in the first round.
Lets not minimize the effects of Bush and White on that Champ team. Leinhart wouldn’t have been that good without those guys.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Ummm....
Harvin, Pouncey and Pouncey, all went in the first round. Markice and Harvin went to the Probowl as rookies. Hernandez went in the 2nd and Nelson and Murphy are doing pretty well on NFL rosters. Both played on stacked rosters.
Tebow was the hands down leader at Florida...
Although, without him, they would have played Newton, and we saw how that worked out for Blinn JC, and Auburn.
I see your point, but Tebow was a Sophomore Heisman(?) winner, and thats something that probably wont ever be repeated, plus he broke the rushing TD record by a lot. Its asinine to say he isn’t above Leinart when talking about better college OBs.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
As I was. My mistake, Tebowmania has a funny way of doing that to folks.
He was the first tho, and set a precedent for others winning.
But it doesn’t change the fact that Tebow was still the better player.
Leinart wasnt even the best player on his own team.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, Lets do this.
Both won Heisman Trophies. Since those are presumably their best years lets compare those years to each other.
Leinart – 2004 Heisman season
Passing:
Comp/Att – 269 / 412 (65.3%)
Yards – 3322
TD/INT – 33/6
Rushing:
Att – 49
Yards – (-44) (sacks included I’m assuming)
TDs – 3 TD
Record 11-0 (3 Wins later vacated)
PAC-10 champ
National Champ (vacated)
Leinart – Career
Comp/Att – 807/1,245 attempts (64.8%)
Yards – 10,693
TD/INT – 99/23
YPA – 8.6
INT/Att – 1/54 (rounded down)
TD/Att – 1/12 (rounded down)
Rushing;
Att – 132
Yards – (-70)
TDs – 9
TD/Att – 1/14 (rounded down)
Wins/Losses: 37-2
I only included the wins because it seems to matter to you when judging individual achievement.
Now, for Tebows stats
Tim Tebow – 2007 Heisman season
Passing:
Comp/Att – 234/350 (66.9%)
Yards – 3286
TD/INT – 32/6
Rushing:
Att – 210
Yards – 895
TD – 23
Record: 9-4 (5-3 SEC)
Lost Capital One Bowl
Tebow – Career
Comp/Att – 661/985 (67.1%)
Yards – 9286
TD/INT – 88/15
YPA – 9.4
INT/Att – 1/65 (rounded down)
TD/Att – 1/11 (rounded down)
Rushing:
Att – 692
Yards – 2947
TDs – 57
TD/Att – 1/12
Wins/Losses – 35-6
Running the numbers, i don’t even see where the comparison comes from…
Tebow put up comparable numbers passing, better in most categories, and WAY better numbers rushing…
Leinart doesn’t hold Tebows jock.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Tebow lost 3 games and the Taco bell chalupa Bowl against Michigan
Linehart won a title… You take stats… Ill take wins and titles
which was exactly the trent dilfer point.
He rode on the coat tails of an amazing defense. it means nothing about his quality of as a QB.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 5:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
He Rode the Coattails of a great defense?
Yeah… thats why he was the 11th pick in the NFL draft. Zero potential at QB. A game manager. Guess what Tebow had a top 5 Defense 2 out of his 3 years and still only won 1 title…
Dilfer rode coat tails
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 6:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Is Reggie Bush one of the best college RBs ever?
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 6:02 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
what about lendale white?
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Lienhart wasnt the best player on his own team?
According to draft placement and NFL success Tebow wasnt the best Gator. Harvin (NFL ROY), Both Pounceys, 1 is already a Probowler….
wow, you are really frustrating...
Pro Bowls don’t mean anything, too subjective
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 5:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah... Harvin and Pouncy only made the Probowl because they are popular...
Not good football players… Bush (bust) and White (out the NFL ) were much better players. Wow
We get Damon...Tebow sucks...lets move on...nothing has changed with your MO...except you have mastered passive aggressive.....congrats.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
yeah saying he was the 3rd best QB in the 120 year history of CFB is clearly an insult...
You Tebow homers are paythetic
never said that either.
My issue was you saying Matt Leinart was a better college QB than Tebow, and I don’t appreciate being called paythetic (whatever the fuck that means)
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I am with OC....my deal is leinart vs Tebow...its no contest.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
More to the point
Leinart wasn’t the most important player on the team. Tebow was on his team.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah his 5 TDs in the BCS title game clearly show he was a role a player
And didnt Florida win a National title with the same team and this guy named Chris Leak starting at QB?
Leinart accounted for 36 total TDs in his heisman season.
Tebow accounted for 55 in his.
I would say he was significantly more important.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
So I should fault Lienart because Tebow can play fullback and he had White and Bush
Sorry Spread option QBs like Newton and Tebow will always have ridiculous stats. They are the primary goal line runner and passer. Tebow lost 4 games during his Heisman year and was going to lose until the QB from Oregan tore his ACL 2 weeks before the end of the year.
You would fault Tebow for not winning enough titles...
when clearly he did more for his team to win than Leinart did? and posted better stats in the process?
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Lienhart did enough for his team to win...
Tebow didnt
I never said that
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 6:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
dude, its ok to be wrong
(See above comment on Tebow being only sophomore to win heisman, and how its unlikely to happen again lol)
All you have to do is own it and all is forgiven
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 6:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I know its allright to be wrong...
Thats why Im not frustrated debating this with you. You are clearly entitled to your wrong opinion.
Tebow wasn't the starter for the other Nat'l championship
but he undoubtedly had a bigger impact on that team than Chris Leak. Look at the numbers.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
So they gave the MVP to the wrong guy.
Or maybe Tebows mop up TDs after Chris Leak lead the team to 34 first half points wasnt as impressive as simply reading the boxscore Leak threw 36 passes with 25 completions? How many did the most important QB attempt and complete?
Who is Lienhart?
If you can’t spell his name, you’re probably just fishing for an argument.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you high?
completition
Tebow – 67.8%
Leinart – 65.5%
Yards Per Attempt
Tebow – 9.33
Leinart – 8.47
TD per attempt
Tebow – 0.09
Leinart – 0.07
TD/INT
Tebow – 5.5
Leinart – 4.4
by oxsnard on Oct 20, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
And that's...
Ignoring all the rushing yards (and TDs), two national championships AND playing in a much much harder conference to boot
don't sell the Pac-10 short
They aren’t exactly the mountain west. And USC was dominant. And Leinart was a big part of it. Whether or not he was as important as other parts of that team is the questionable thing.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That both had similarly-talented players around them
But Tebow’s competition was way, way tougher.
I mean…waaay tougher.
So I guess we will ignore...
Tebow 3 years as a starter 1 National Title and 1 SEC title 34-5
Lienart 3 years as a starter 2 national titles and 3 PAC 10 titles 37-2
You are a troll
USC won one championship. FL won two. Tebow was only a supporting player on the first championship. So we’ll say they’re even in that regard.
Every single counting and rate metric says tebow’s the better of the two. And that’s ignoring the incredible impact tebow had on the game with his legs.
You’re a moron looking to pick a fight that you cannot win
USC won the BCS outright and won the AP outright
You know the AP national title that has been around since 1935. And your a whiner crying because someone has a different opinion and dares to back that opinion up. Go wipe the sand out your vagina. Its a football blog and sometimes fans disagree… You know Manning or Brady… Sanders or Smith. Elway or Montana.
opinion =/= fact
Grammar lesson:
Your is possessive, as in “your opinion is moronic”
You’re is for you+are as in “you’re an imbicile”
The fact is that every single metric that actually means something points to Tebow being head and shoulders better than Leinart. It’s not Elway vs Montana here, it’s Elway vs. Testeverde
Thanks for the grammer lesson
Whats your address I can send you some Tampax. Every metric except wins, loses, conference title and national titles. a better TD to INT ratio is much better then actually winning games and titles. Dumbest argument ever.
But not more wins...
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
The point is
Using a 40 game W/L sample is moronic, especially considering that it is impossible for the QB to impact more than 50% of a game’s outcome.
Then using your logic Case Keenum will soon be the greatest of all time
Or Timmy Chang. Since simple stats is what matter… you realize how stupid that is right? QBs will always be judged by wins and titles in all time debates. Not a 1 point better passer rating or slightly better TD/INT ratio.
Not Counting Stats
Counting stats are useless. Rate based statistics are where it’s at.
Chang and Keenum played in lousy conferences. On a rate basis, Tebow and Leinart were better than both
Colt McCoy has more wins. He's not that great.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 21, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Better?
He is the career INT leader!
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
What stats?
Counting stats, sure. He threw way more passes than both guys.
The rate stats are pretty close for all three.
Favre had an equal YPA to Elway, and threw more picks (and TDs) per attempt. They’re also pretty similar players.
The rate stats for Lienart/ Tebow are pretty close...
So I will go with wins, losses, conference titles, and national titles!!!!! Lienart wins!!!!
Some cant be reasoned with...
But its OK, I support your right to be an idiot.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
So three more wins
and an equal number of nat’l championships (we’ll say 1.5) makes this argument?
It’s not even close. Tebow’s TD/INT is 20% better. His YPA is a full yard higher. That’s huge over several hundred throws.
It's like saying
A player with a .370 on base percentage who plays first base is basically the same as a shortstop with a .400 OBP. And the player with the .400 OBP is elite at another skill (in this case defense or in Tebow’s case running the ball)
WHOA!
Don’t bring logic into this argument!
Its clearly based on emotion for him.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Dude, wins are an evaluation of a team.
And you act like the only championship Tebow ever sniffed was the one he won (as a starter)
He only lost 1 game in ’09, and that game was to the eventual national champions. Any given Saturday….
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Pro Football Reference had an interesting attempt to make a compromise between rate based and counting stats (since longevity does have value). Sort of like “accumulated career value above average.”
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3378
i keep dancing on my own.
Titles are won by a team, not a player.
Bye bye now, try again later.
"It’s not what you did last year. It’s what you’re going to do this year. That’s more important." - Albert Pujols
Umm, ok...
"It’s not what you did last year. It’s what you’re going to do this year. That’s more important." - Albert Pujols
Case Keenum's stats
8.5 YPA
69% Completion
2.88 TD/INT
Other than the comp. percent, Tebow grades as the more efficent college passer, by a large margin. Keenum plays in the MAC or CUSA or something. Tebow played in the SEC. Tebow could run the ball. This is what you call a straw man argument
And Tebow threw alot fewer passer and played with better WRs
I have discussed the greatest of all time and never has YPA been a consideration. QBs will always be judged by wins and rings. 3rd is a good spot
It's not that simple
Unless you’re willing to accept that Ken Dorsey, Grey McElroy, and Jason White should rank higher than John Elway and Dan Marino. Which is, of course, absurd.
I am a USC fan, Damon...but I disagree.
Leinart was the one that should have been picked to fail in the NFL, not Tebow. Leinart had a guy named R Bush around that affected games almost as much as Tebow did in Florida.
AND, while we are at it….Will somebody PLEASE tell me how come USC got so raped by the NCAA compared to what appears to be happening to OhioState, Miami, maybe even Auburn.
Both guys played on stacked teams...
and had great coaches. And you are correct USC got boned by the corrupt NCAA.
Marvin Graves at Syracuse!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Sayre- Tebow had me at:
“Only ONE person gets the ball here—-Trust me guys we are going to win this game right here!”
Leadership-Yes
Passion-Yes
Will to win-Yes
Drive-Yes
Honor-Yes
Equals- Greatness!
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 6 recs
Absolutely LOVED that game
When I heard that audio from the field the next day I was so pumped up. I was ready to go to war for the guy!
by RebelChris on Oct 20, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
OohRahh!!!!!!
Go Timmy….. GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!
by BroncoBehindEnemyLines on Oct 20, 2011 11:48 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I think you should get off the fence
Do you, or do you not think Tebow will succeed at the NFL level? MAKE. UP. YOUR. MIND!
LOL
Thanks, Sayre. I’m pumped for the game.
I think I have good ideas sometimes. I just suck at communicating them.
Ha!
Thanks Jason, can’t wait for the game myself.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Sayre
I also was very excited when we drafted Tebow , he’s a special player and I have no doubt he will suceed .
I don't know if he can win regularly
At least not with this team yet. I think we are still growing and it is going to be a long process. Defense has improved but is not perfect and the WR’s are young and RB’s need a little help.
I do think that he will do everything in his power to win. And that is more than we’ve had since Plummer was at the helm.
So I am not going to judge solely by our win\loss record but by how he plays and how the team plays as a whole.
I hope the Broncs plays great with Tebow
But, you lose all credibility when you say Tebow played well against the Chargers. I was there. He looked lost. Just like a rookie drafted in the third round (where the “experts” predicted). He may get better. I hope he does. The Broncs may feed off his enthusiasm and play above their heads. But call it like it is, not like you want it to be.
No he didn't play well.
But he did play like we saw Elway play so often during his career. Ugly, struggling, until the fourth quarter. Then he put the team on his back and led them back into the game and nearly won. Now I’m not saying the Tebow will be the next Elway, but how many times did we see that exact same type of game out of Elway? When you have a player with the clutchness and fire that Elway and now Tebow exhibit, it doesn’t matter what happened in the first three quarters, because they will find a way to bring the team back. Even though we didn’t beat SD, we probably should have. If we score the 2 point conversion, or if DJ doesn’t get nailed for they penalty, I think we win the game. There are very few QBs in the league that could lead that kind of turn around and we now have one of them.
Never let them see you bleed.
by the_prodigal_fan on Oct 20, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions
you mean the "phantom" penalty?
memo to refs, Hochuli’s gift to us happened a long time ago
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
or if Andre Goodman doesn't trip over his feet and let Malcolm Floyd convert a 3rd and long to essentially put them in FG range?
Then we get the ball back with 1:24 left instead of 0:24 and maybe we actually do win the game.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 20, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions
No one here is giving Tebow a free pass
Yes there is a large bromance that a lot of fans have with him, but THAT’S WHAT FANS DO! We love a guy that has potential for our team. Its the same with von,doom, champ, etc.
We are all excited to see if Tebow can do this, and we are excited he finally is gonna get his shot. I will cheer, analyze, and debate him in the next 2 months. There are no certainties, but we all HOPE he does well. And IF he plays poorly, and doesn’t progress then I will be hoping for Luck or whatever QB we can get next year. I just think that Tebow will give us a reason to draft CB in the first.
Yes, a lot of folks are giving Tebow a free pass
except EFX for correctly not handing Tim Tebow the starting job in camp or game one and I applaud them for that. Hopefully Tim Tebow has learned something about being a pro QB and what it takes to properly prepare to be a staring QB in the NFL because there’s more to it now then just the weight room Tim.
I’m excited about Tebow and the game on Sunday but have been annoyed by those that think he should have been handed the job.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh I see
He doesn’t work hard enough.
That makes sense.
Just needs to work harder
on the things that make a great NFL QB.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Management's not giving him a free ride
there we both agree on this point. With that said, it doesn’t matter what fans think. For the most part, fans, like my MSM brethren, don’t know as much as management, I hope…
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am more excited for this game than any other I can remember in recent memory.
Tebow will succeed in the NFL. He might not be the greatest ever, simply great, or even elite, but he will succeed.
..We're 1-15 till we're not..
They say the cool is all over me..
by Teboner on Oct 20, 2011 12:08 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Great post Sayre
GO TEBOW, and GO BRONCOS
by Bronco79 on Oct 20, 2011 12:28 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
"Tebow destined for greatness"
Yeah, so I don’t like these kinds of articles. Sorry. It’s based primarily on speculation and a lot of hope. Can we give these blog topics a rest until we see some games, yeah? [/losing proposal] [/not really a big deal, you can write what you want]
Absolutely
nothing wrong with articles based on speculation and hope, as long as they are clear and understandable, right? I mean, a lot of being a fan is opinion based…
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 20, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
The purpose of a FAN blog
“primarily speculation and a lot of hope.”
I’d say you summed it up pretty good there.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
a succinct surmising
if I do say so myself
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I get it. We, as fans, are hoping for the best.
But with lines like “Tebow (is) destined for greatness?” I guess it’s a headline-grabber to bring in folks like me (as well as all the Tebow jock-riders) to read. But I don’t know if that necessarily supports much of what’s written beyond it being very wishful thinking.
Maybe blog sites aren't for you
And stay away from anything on ESPN that isn’t called “Sportscenter”.
What is there to do besides speculate?
Who are you to decide which is which? That makes your opinion hopeless speculation and mine hopeful speculation?
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, I started this whole thing saying "I don't like"...
So clearly this is my opinion as well. And why would rebuking your “hopeful speculation” make my stance “hopeless speculation?” Certainly I hope for the best. But I wouldn’t dream of saying things like “Tebow is destined for greatness” based on 3.5 games of skewed, vastly incomplete metrics. We simply need to see more before making hyperbolic claims, is all.
YEP!!!! GO BRONCOS!!!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
We hope so.
But we don’t know that. For crying out loud, let the poor kid at least play out the season before we anoint him.
The backup QB is always the answer…until he gets in and everyone’s fantasy has to give way to reality. There will be ups and downs. We don’t know how many of each. Fans will need to be patient. It’s easy to have all the answers when you’re sitting on the couch at home.
Let’s just root for the guy, and not expect miracles. Even if we win this weekend. Anybody remember that 6-0 start? Right. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. This is gonna take some time. It’s great to have hope, but our team still has a long road ahead.
Tim Tebow Built My Hot Rod.
by TheMastermind on Oct 20, 2011 12:32 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Thank you
This is exactly how I feel. It is exciting to know that he is starting and I really want him to succeed and believe that he can. However, I think it’s a little premature to say that we are destined for greatness at this point. Let’s see how the season plays out and do our best to evaluate him objectively before making too many proclamations.
Bravo
TT is the starting QB for the Denver Broncos and that means I hope he does great.
But the accolades for his NFL greatness seem a bit premature. Perhaps we could just all let this play out and see how it goes?
I can see Russia from my house.
by Alaskan on Oct 20, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
hopefully
presumptuousness gives way to success, Alaskan, we shall see. Every Broncos fan should be excited for the dawn of a new era rife with Lombardis, I trust…
Brad James
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you Brad.
I don’t see any harm in dreaming of future Super Bowls. Yeah, maybe they aren’t true until they happen but so what? That’s a big part of the fun of obtaining and using new players. It’s kind of like seeing that new Christmas present under the tree. Just fantasizing about all the fun you’re going to have is it’s own special magic. That’s kind of what I feel here.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Oct 20, 2011 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's funny how things come about sometimes and how patience seems to rule the day...
I thought it was a bad decision to keep Orton after the failed trade to Miami, as they have wasted 4 loses and about 6.5 mil on him. I would have cut ties with Orton and said, good luck in the future and went all in with Tebow just to see where we stand. A regime that makes critical mistakes like that seem to stall when it matters and I hope EFX have at least learned the lessions…If Tebow wins the majority of the remaining games then he’s our man, f he loses then EFX have more decisions to make…
I dont think Orton was a mistake
They played the guy who played well in practice. That told the team we arn’t rebuilding, we are shooting for the super bowl. When he lost they proved to the team and everyone else that Orton wasn’t the answer. If Tebow plays bad now we will all be asking for Quinn now, NOT Orton.
by alkatraz76 on Oct 20, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sayre
Thanks! You are destined for greatness as well! I think we should draft a MHR: Hall of Fame contributers – I’d put you in there!
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
hows that for brown nosing?!?
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
no doubt.
I always have to laugh when I hear these “guys”, I’m assuming that some are either young men or women get all twitter patted about a few of the folks that post here. It’s a good post but still makes me laugh.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
He's the most interesting QB in the world...
by Donkeylover on Oct 20, 2011 12:50 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
DUDE.... +100000
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Sayre, agree completely.
cant coach special. the dude is just something extra.
Something everyone seems to forget about, is development. not just for Tebow.
development for whoever denver drafts next year. we think of this as an 11 game tryout, but really, unless Tebow really really sucks it up, he will be the starter next year, even if they do draft a qb first round next year that qb wont be ready to just jump in and take the reigns (unless that qb is Luck, and i really dont think anyone but the #1 pick will get Luck. and we will not have that pick…). Tebow will still be under contract, so i see almost no situation where he is not getting more than these final 11 games to show everything. i think the staff will give him the offseason he missed this year, at the very least, to show he can develop the things he still lacks (the things EVERY rookie qb lacks…)
meeeeow -cats everywhere
by Jay Fin Anderson on Oct 20, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions
He’s played 3 1/2 quarters as an NFL starting QB. Can we wait before we say he’s “destined for greatness”? I hope he succeeds just like every other Bronco fan, but I think expectations are way too high right now. He looks promising, but he still has a lot of work to do.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 20, 2011 1:35 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
NO!!!! j/k
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
Kyle Orton - Thanks for the memories....I guess???
I hate to say this but I will
Andrew Luck hasn’t played a down yet and teams are lining up for the “Suck for Luck” race and the greatness that should follow. Tebow’s expectations come nowhere near that. So with all the “greatness” Tebow has already shown in college and in 3.5 games. I’m okay saying “Tebow is destined for Greatness!”
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I feel the same way about Luck as I do with Tebow. So I guess that’s why I don’t agree with saying something like that when basing on such a small sample size.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 20, 2011 1:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Tebow is not the first QB to be overshadowed by expectations!
Many QB’s from past drafts carried way more expectations. I would much rather be filled with hopes and dreams, then to worry about the "what ifs" and “what could have beens”
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Do the Colts draft Luck?!?!
How is that going to work when they finish last, have the number one pick and still have Manning on the team with the huge contract?
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah they draft him
Manning isn’t going to be around forever. He might not come back from this neck injury. If he comes back, it would be an Aaron Rodgers/Farve situation. They would force Manning out before his time is over for the new kid to have a shot.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Can you imagine the coin
paid to those two QB’s? What is a good guestamet on the two checks? The Broncos thought they had it bad with Orton and Tebow on the same team. That could get expensive in Indy.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions
No one forces Manning out. I think he will go gracefully.
But before he does he will imbue Luck with his super human powers, then retire and become the OC for Indy, and Manning/Luck will do on to lose the AFC champ game to us every year.
It will be terrifying. They almost have to take luck. That almost unprecedented to have 2 QBs of that caliber B2B.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's hope Peyton retires
more gracefully than Donovan McNabb, yikes that’s been tough for Vikes fans to watch
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
dude new rookie wage scale
its not as bad anymore
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yes
They draft him….Any team with the number one overall pick will draft him.
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions
No Kidding
Way to heighten expectations. He has an 11-game tryout. If he can’t cut it, everyone will have to move on, like it or not.
by xandervan on Oct 20, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
To all of you who still say Tebow can't do it---Tebow himself said it best:
“‘ppreciate that!”
Keep fueling his fire! As a Bronco fan I love it! As a competitor I love it even more! Tell him he can’t and he’ll show you just how wrong you are! Keep it up! You’re making him work even harder…..
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 1:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve seen very few people on this site say they believe Tebow can’t do it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone saying it’s too early to say he will be great. It’s just like Demaryius Thomas. Yes, he’s been injured, but who’s to say he can’t be great? Tebow may be a QB, but people need to quit getting offended. when someone shows doubt about how they feel about him. Because I’ve seen plenty of people say such things about our other draft picks. Tebow shouldn’t be treated any differently.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 20, 2011 2:03 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a Bronco fan too so
I get offended when you doubt my Starting QB based not on what he has done, but what people say he can’t do. If you haven’t seen it don’t base Opinions on him from others thoughts. Wait until your own eyes have seen enough to either agree or disagree.
by MileHighPride on Oct 20, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Then why is it ok when someone doubts another draft pick? I wasn’t calling you or anything, so I apologize if it appeared that way. And I never said I doubt him at all, not sure where you got that impression. I’ve just never understood how it’s ok to doubt any other player, but when it’s about Tebow, people flip out and start destroying their opinions, even when it’s a fellow Bronco fan. I do believe he will succeed, but there’s also nothing wrong with someone else believing he may not. I guess my point is, everyone needs to relax and try not to take negative opinions about Tebow so seriously. What anyone on here says has no effect on how his career plays out. So, let’s hope we’ve found our franchise QB! Go Broncos!
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 20, 2011 2:40 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Now is the Time
I don’t follow college ball that much, and all I really heard pre-draft was how this Tebow guy just wasn’t made for the NFL. With your draft previews though, Sayre, I learned and then was thrilled that we got this guy.
Oh, and you forgot the obligatory “the Broncos FO is not on board with this guy,” or even “they want him to fail.” That’s something I never bought into: they’ve spent ~ $10M on him, and as you said, you can’t coach what he has. Whatever you say about EFX, I don’t think they would just toss him aside.
One thing is for sure, though: we will be excited to watch Broncos football again. Most of us here have never experienced the team mired in mediocrity for an extended period of time. We’re beat down after the departure of Shanahan and the turbulence since. Sucks, don’t it?
I was in Atlanta when Vick came to town. The team was under new ownership, and the fans had a taste of winning with the Super Bowl season in ‘98, but do you know the Falcons still had never had back-to-back winning seasons in their history? Talk about wallowing in mediocrity! I’m not at all trying to make the comparison of Vick vs. Tebow football-wise, but what was cool was to see the entire complexion of football change in that city. Fans were suddenly excited about their team again.
Now is the time. Even if the Dolphins rather suck this year, we’ve generally sucked worse when playing them in Florida. I hope this Sunday is different. I hope it’s the stake in the ground that we can look back on in years and see when our team started trending up. A return to the time when every team around the league feels like the Browns did in the playoffs of yore; a time when those last seconds tick off the clock, and the opponent is standing helmet in hand wondering what just happened.
Yeah, it can happen. Now is the time to see it play out. Bring on the fun!
That's a great comparison
I definitely think it’s the same type of thing for Denver fans. Football will be fun again!
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
We have never done well against the Dolphins at South Beach
but as Carlton learned on the Fresh Prince, there’s a first time for everything
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I had a hard time with this piece
For two big reasons. First, it misrepresents the position of people who are skeptical of Tim’s NFL future. Stuff like this:
NFL teams were not buying the crap that was being sold by guys like Todd McShay—they were buying into the man that Tim Tebow is.
gets to me. It implies that skeptics are only thinking that way because it is spoon-fed by Todd McShay and Merril Hoge (both consummate jackasses). The piece then goes on to list a series of criticisms of Tebow which are basically strawmen. It’s like the only reason you could ever be skeptical of Tim is because you care more about aesthetics than winning football games. In reality, there are a variety of things that Tim clearly has to work on to be a high-quality NFL QB, such as his accuracy on middle range routes and his ability to work through progressions. Can he do that? Maybe. But there are also a lot of guys who weren’t able to get better at those things despite accomplishing quite a bit in college. There are pretty decent reasons to be skeptical, although there are also good reasons to be optimistic.
The second frustrating thing about this piece is that it insists on accountability for the skeptics, but demands no accountability for advocates:
When I evaluated Tebow coming out of college, I graded him as a sure-fire top 10 pick. I don’t care if you think I’m crazy, it’s just the way it is for me. Obviously, Tebow wasn’t a top ten pick but I think in the end teams will regret not taking him there.
If it doesn’t end up working out with Tebow, I don’t think the Broncos should be chastised for drafting him, but you know the guys who predicted his downfall before he ever got a chance will be glad to go on air and let everyone know they were right about Tebow failing, and how the Broncos wasted their time.
Look, if the guy doesn’t make it, it will have been a mistake for the Broncos to take him. Sure, the people who thought it was a good pick had some good reasons at the time. Same as if he succeeds, the people who ripped them will be wrong. They also had good reason for criticizing, but the proof is in the pudding. You can’t say everyone will regret not taking him as a first round pick, then say the Broncos shouldn’t be criticized if he busts. It’s a double standard.
i keep dancing on my own.
by atomiccafe on Oct 20, 2011 2:06 PM MDT reply actions 6 recs
Don't forget about Tebows work ethic
Hopefully he’ll prioritize his time better next off season and do what it takes in the class room and on the field to be a better NFL QB. Hopefully there won’t be a "through my eyes: NFL season II)
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 20, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Big difference
Between people who say:
“I believe Tebow has the ability to be great,” or “I think he is destined for greatness,”
and
“Tim Tebow is not an NFL quarterback.”
BIG difference.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I disagree
I think people who say "I think he is destined for greatness" and people who say "Tim Tebow is not an NFL quarterback" both share the fact that they are polarized. Forget about which side they are on. One is implying that he will be nothing other than a success and the other is saying that he is already a failure. I think AC brings up a very valid point that has been bothering me for quite some time. It seems both sides only want to view the world their own way and refuse to accept any alternative explanations. I just wish that we could all try to put aside our preconceived notions about what he will or won’t be. We know he’s exciting and I can’t wait to see him on the field. I hope he’s the quarterback of this team for the next dozen years and wins us multiple championships, but I don’t know if he will be. either way, I’m not going to call him a bust or elect him to Canton right now.
I also agree with the point AC made about evaluating draft picks. If he doesn’t work out, it will show that we should have picked someone else, plain and simple. I think most people here will agree that there were better options than Knowshon and Robert Ayers at the places we took them in the 2009 draft, but no one is holding back from criticizing those picks. Let’s be consistent in our comparisons and evaluations regardless of player, draft position, regime that drafted them, etc.
by HBobbyT on Oct 20, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the insulting thing on both sides is the implication that the other side of the argument is made of people who are incapable of thinking for themselves. If you have an optimistic view of Tebow you might be accused of (1) liking him for his religious beliefs as opposed to his abilities on the field (2) putting your love of Tim above your love of the Broncos or (3) being part of a cult or something.
If you’re pessimistic about Tebow you’re accused of valuing aesthetics over winning, you’re lumped with Kiper/McShay/Hoge, or you’re a hopeless traditionalist who’s still harboring redcoats in the basement having forgotten the war’s been lost. On both sides, belittling somebody’s perspective sets back the debate.
i keep dancing on my own.
I completely agree
Very well said. It reminds me a little bit of a Dr. Seuss Story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xDjxhKUh7M&feature=related
I think it’s important for us to acknowledge our own biases and try to appreciate opposing views even if we disagree with them.
by HBobbyT on Oct 20, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is very little chance that Tebow delivers
based on how much Josh McDaniels gave up for him. Folks should probably discontinue to say “we” or the “Broncos” when talking about the draft picks in ’09 or ’10. Josh McDaniels owns them all (except maybe Decker). Tim Tebow will have to be the greatest QB in Broncos history at the very least to live up to those three high draft picks and being selected in the first round.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I guess I don't have a problem with enthusiastic support
or strident criticism. Either one has its place. This piece is enthusiastically supportive, and that’s great. Where I have issues is with the strawmen you create in the “criticisms” section which creates the implication that every criticism made of Tim is not the result of reasonable observation, but is instead a tired cliche. I don’t know about other people, but my skepticism regarding Tebow’s future has nothing to do with my eyes being turned off by his throwing motion.
i keep dancing on my own.
I don't have a problem with either,
I think it’s great that people feel so strongly about our team. I just want people to acknowledge that they are biased one way or the other and try to understand that the other side and know that just because some one doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make them a “Tebow hater” or a “Tebow lover”.
Good post......
Because I read the article scratching my head as well. I hope Tim does well- but I didn’t see the quick decision making that is needed at this level in the passing game (3 or 4 reads). But that is in a very short window- and I wasn’t a fan of Elway’s until his 3rd or 4th year. Too much running around, interceptions, stuff.
That isn’t to say I’m against the move- but I don’t know if it will work. I would be looking for a Reeves type offense for Tim to keep him from running into a concussion, or injury; and then turn him loose in the 4th if you have to risk it. But ya…….. the OP is a fan of Tims, and we get that. I’m just not sold on him yet- we’ll see if I am blind or stupid over the rest of the season. My prediction is Tim will do average the next 2-3 games, and then after teams get film on him- he will see a marked drop-off in production. Then its up to him to take what is given by the D; if he can.
by baselinedenver on Oct 20, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
If they only play Tebow like that,
ie, quick decision making, they will screw it up. Think of the plays we remember from Elway or Rothleisberger…even Elway loved to extend the play to get the bigger play. I anticipate at least two “broken play” 20 yard or more completions this Sunday…and despite the frenetic appearance, it won’t be just getting lucky.
What a great comment...rec'd
Honestly though, it is Sayre’s way with the accountability thing and it always has been.
Talk is CHEAP to me about hope and the intangibles and greatness of Tebow. I want to see it on the field, not have an article full of kool-aid and crack pipes spoon fed to the masses.
I’m honestly not surprised the article has been Rec’d so many times. It is like when George Bush was re-elected…I knew it was going to happen, even knowing what a moron he was and how he looked like an utter bafoon in all phases of his leadership of our country.
And while all these statements may seem trollish, that is not my intent. There is some levity needed here.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Which part are you referring to?
Calling out Sayre?
Wanting to see Tebow actually do well on the field?
The comparison to the re-election of Dubbya?
The wish to bring levity?
…upon reflection the republicans among us may be slightly aggravated by my bringing the IQ-less wonder into the discussion…so maybe that was a bit tactless on my part. If you were offended by that, I do sincerely apologize for that…and I’m glad to hear apologies from those who voted for him.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Calling me out
That has not ever worked for you. I evaluate talent. You evaluate performance. Also, you wish to bring levity? You wish to bring a lack of appropriate seriousness?
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 21, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Read this from Sterling Sharpe at NFL.com
“I think Tim Tebow’s been invited to a gun fight with a pocket knife.”
He’s talking about Tebow’s inexperienced WR corps.
I wonder what he will be saying if Tebow wins that fight with the pocket knife.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on Oct 20, 2011 2:45 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
That is funny right there!
I hope We’ll get to find out what his rebuttal will be. Likely, if We come out of Miami with a win, he’ll just never mention it again. But hey, he might just bow down. ( =
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 20, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Just because they cut Lloyd?
Frankly…getting anything for a guy who’s bounced around the league as much as Lloyd has is remarkable.
Gunfight with who?
Brandon Marshall who dropped an easy touchdown and ran out of bounds on another because he lost his balance?
Hartline, Bess….who the hell do the Dolphins have over there?
Matt Moore and Reggie Bush, our D is shaking in their boots for sure lol
Poor choice of words
When Brandon Marshall is involved.
by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 20, 2011 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions
He must think Tebows the real deal...
in the same segment he picked the Broncos to win!!! Love it!!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Oct 20, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions
*That was in response to Sterling Sharpe's comment above
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Oct 20, 2011 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions
The Broncos and Tim Tebow packing plastic thanks to Josh McDaniels
The 2008 offense was a loaded Howitzer just waiting to blow the league up.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
As long as he brings passion back to the game
For too long it’s looked to me like this team was full of guys just playing for a paycheck. Tim exudes a love for the game and that will make a whole lot of difference to the way this team goes about its business. I hope…………
by broncinoz on Oct 20, 2011 2:53 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I don’t want Tim Tebow to be put into a bubble by EFX, I do want him to mature and become smarter as a QB but I still hope that he plays with reckless abandon. If that means that his body only lasts a few years so be it, the Broncos will just have to re-load but don’t take the Tebow out of Tim.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree wuth all you said
But I disagree that the FO is behind Tim Tebow. John Fox and Elway has been lukewarm in announcing Tebow as starter. They always say that this is a week to week evaluation not an 11 game evaluation for the starting QB.
When Orton was announced as the starter at the beginning of the season they always say that he gives the broncos to win even if we are losing. Fox was asked last week if Tebow gives as the best chance to win but his answer lacks support or confidence to Tebow.
by OrangeBroncos on Oct 20, 2011 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
TEBOW
MAKES ME WANT TO GO TO WAR WITH HIM!
twitter @hydrowardaddy
Release the Tebow.
by hydrowardaddy7 on Oct 20, 2011 3:14 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Hell yeah!
He’s the kind of player that makes you want to drink a stout beer and take a huge bite of a rare steak.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 20, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions
and then go blow something up
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh Brother....
This is exactly the sort of thing that puts some of us off.
Can we just evaluate him as the QB for the Denver Broncos?
I can see Russia from my house.
by Alaskan on Oct 20, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
No you don't
Christianity is not a prerequisite of being a Bronco fan
I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet
by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 21, 2011 1:53 AM MDT up reply actions
No,
I don’t need him for my cultural icon.
I just want to see if he is my QB.
The good thing is that we will all know in about 11 weeks based upon what actually happens on the field. I’ll embrace him if the Broncos look good. No amount of other stuff will keep him on the field if they go 0-11.
I can see Russia from my house.
I guarantee they wont go 0-11
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I Sure Hope You Are Right
But who thought they’d go 7-22 in the last 29 games?
The Broncos have already exceeded what I thought was possible when it comes to losing.
Hope Sunday marks the start of an upswing.
I can see Russia from my house.
I certainly didn't hope it, but i sure as hell feared it.
After the Cutler trade I knew we would go down the drain.
Then i got lulled into a false sense of security by 6-0
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 20, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Boy, 6-0 and a hotshot new coach....
Seems like a long time ago, doesn’t it?
Been a lot of losing since then.
I hope this is the end of the era.
I can see Russia from my house.
Tony Dungy
says Tim Tebow is a winner. Thus, all of my doubts did cease concerning him
Brad James
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 20, 2011 4:50 PM MDT reply actions
Just want to say that I believe in Tim Tebow
He’s a big, tough QB who may not throw the pretty ball but can get things done.
How many times in the last two years have the Broncos choked out in the red zone and settled for three points.
I don’t see Tebow settling for three.
The Voice In The Wilderness from a Broncos fan trapped in the land of Raiders and Niners.
Wow, the "glass half empty" folk are out in force today...
I mean, isn’t this a Bronco fan site?
Shouldn’t it be almost the duty of a fan to be excited about an unproven player?
Sayre’s piece was full of “I believe” and “I think” and “If you ask me” – he’s confident in his beliefs, sure, but it’s not like he’s making the blanket statement (aka Hoge) ‘guaranteeing’ one result or another.
This is our new QB. Even if you’re not excited, and you happen to be full of doubt and nervousness and pessimistic – a completely valid and understandable viewpoint – the least you can do is stop trying to rain on the parade of those who are being postive.
If we want naysayers and folk trying to drag us down before the guy steps on the field, we can talk to fans of opposing teams, or the MSM for that viewpoint.
Or, start a FanPost (here) called “Nervous about Tebow – Help!”, and you can all depress and worry with each other, It’s a free internet, after all, as much as I’d hate to live in that world.
I promise I won’t come and call you all idiots for having a particular opinion.
How about you do the same?
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
by tonks on Oct 20, 2011 5:08 PM MDT reply actions 8 recs
Great viewpoint. +1
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Oct 20, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Love is Blindness
A lot of these folks that wanted the job handed to Tebow were also excited about the Josh McDaniels hire and that was obvioulsy the worst coaching hire from the day of the announcemnet. So it’s not a bad idea to see how things shake out (with Tebow that is) because Josh never should have gotten a chance to shake anything and now we all know why.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
"Not a bad idea to see how things shake out" - Totally agree.
… I just think it’s more than ok to get excited about things beforehand…. and disappointing when people suggest one shouldn’t.
Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.
Dude, I haven't been this excited
for a Bronco game in years! I hope Tebow and the Team do well and win more then they lose this year. I hope that Tebow continues to mature and does enough to ‘’earn" the starting QB job next year too. I’m just looking at this situation from a realistic point of view. That’s the other “istic” word that often gets left out of the conversation.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Great write up Sayer...
Tebow is the most over analyzed player in NFL history. Let’s just wait and see. I have been begging for Tim to get a chance what he does with it is for all of us to watch it unfold. What I don’t want to hear is well it was complete but not a spiral of so what he gained 20 yards, but he didn’t go through his progressions. Let’s break down results only.
oldcoachB
"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."
Awesome post Man!!
We Tebow/Broncos followers are so excited for his 1st start of the season..! im sure he’ll do just fine. Mabuhay Timmy boy from the Philippines!
Great post!
Congrats on this one. There’s one point that I think needs to be made. Tebow is continually knocked because of his throwing motion and that he “isn’t a pocket passer.” Yet Tebow has many throws from the pocket for Denver already. One of the nicest passes I’ve seen was against Dallas in an exhibition game for 40+ yards. Another was the 40 yarder to Eron Riley for a TD. True, he needs more experience on his progressions, but the fact remains that he has shown, time and again, that he can pass from the pocket. His TD to Interception rate in college was great, showing judgment and some level of accuracy. With all the evidence that Tebow can, in fact, be a pocket passer, why do we continue to hear that he isn’t one? If anything, he will continue to improve in that area. Is this just the nonsensical parroting that goes on when one supposed expert says it? What am I missing?
Good job, Sayre.
Looks like you got a lot of people fired up.
I really enjoyed this article, kinda reminds me of those giddy days when Elway was just getting started. You could feel it about to happen then, too.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
The Curse is Lifted!
We’ve all heard of the Madden curse, but ever since Shanahan benched a 7-4 Plummer for rookie future-whiner Cuntler, we’ve had nothing but strokes of bad luck: Darrent Williams shot dead right after the season crashed and burned…Shanahan’s defenses sucking, McDaniels EGO (I supported him at first before I realized just how not ready and immature he was)…getting rid of Pro-Bowl players and Hillis…about 6-7 injuries at the RB position in one season… Kyle Orton collapsing, the list goes on….could we descend any lower?
In comes Tebow and everyone’s excited again. We can’t wait to watch our 1-4 team beat the tar out of their 0-5 team. Tebow is having his homecoming with the Dolphin’s honoring his championship…it couldn’t be more picture perfect. I hope this SUnday marks the end of the curse of bad luck that has sunk our beloved team to such a low after their rise to greatness…
But here it really is, the cold hard truth. If Tebow loses this game in any way shape or form, the usual cast of experts will be calling for his head and it will be a long season…who can get passed losing to one of the worst teams in the league with your future star Qb given a full head of steam…but if Tebow rocks..and we beat em by a huge margin, then it’s on! We could still make the playoffs if that becomes the new tempo, the new rally behind an inspiring leader…. Wouldn’t that be grand! The Raiders will probably smoke the chiefs so we’ll be tied for third in our division and moving on up!
This could be the turning point we’ve all be waiting for! Go Broncos!
For all that McD did to this team, come Sunday we will be thankful to him
…for it was he who brought Tebow to us…
Not a chance bro
The only thing that Broncos fans will ever be thankful for is the firing of the worst acting HC/GM/OC in team history.
by KoloradoKaos on Oct 21, 2011 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm more optimistic about our team than I've been in 3 years....
Let’s sit back and enjoy the show!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
by Broncotodd on Oct 21, 2011 5:50 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Tebow
Ok everybody got their wish, Tebow is the quarterback. When I was young I looked forward to Christmas the whole year. But after I had opened all the presents I was like,“Is that all there is?” Very anti climatic. We’ll see won’t we?

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