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Denver Broncos Musings Following Aaron Rodgers' Record Day

GREEN BAY, WI - OCTOBER 2: Eric Decker #87 of the Denver Broncos yells to the sky after scoring a touchdown against the Green Bay Packers at Lambeau Field on October 2, 2011 in Green Bay, Wisconsin.  (Photo by Matt Ludtke /Getty Images)

I woke up on Tuesday morning the week of the Packers game with no real feeling of nervousness or anything about the Broncos game, and that typically means that my gut feeling is either a victory or a blowout loss. I truly thought the stars might be aligned for a victory to happen since we were getting healthy, but Champ Bailey was a late scratch and that really killed a lot of my hopes.

Aaron Rodgers made sure of that.

With Bailey and his new mountain man look on the sideline, Rodgers picked apart a Denver secondary that could really use his services right now. Whether it was Cassius Vaughn, Jonathan Wilhite, Brian Dawkins, Rahim Moore, or Andre' Goodman, it didn't really matter because Rodgers was going to find an open receiver, and he was especially deadly when the Packers were in scoring range.

Despite the impressive performance by the Packers--which should have been expected--I think there was quite a bit of positive to take from the Broncos' performance from individual players, which doesn't matter in terms of wins and losses, but it matters for the development of this team. Here are some of my exciting thoughts on the game:

Star-divide

The Offensive Line has Really Impressed

I can't even begin to bring you the type of analysis that is brought on a weekly basis by Bewsaf, which can be viewed here.

What I CAN do is tell you that I was extremely impressed with the Broncos' offensive line, both in terms of pass protection and mauling over the Packers' tough defensive line to get some yardage on the ground. Last year, as you will all remember, was a complete disaster for the offensive line, mainly because of all the injuries and youth we had along the line.

This year, our group appears to be markedly improved in both areas of their game.

I don't quite know how to explain it, but when you see a good running team like Houston, Pittsburgh, or Oakland run the ball, the line seems to flow really well and the back almost always has somewhere to go. Last year we didn't have that at all, but this year it appears as though we have the ability to pick up four or five yards almost at will. We are ranked near the bottom of the league in rushing, but that's because we have had to open up the passing game so often.

I really like what I've seen from the line, specifically the huge improvements made in the running game.

 

Knowshon Moreno, where art thou?

Knowshon Moreno hasn't gotten used to not dancing around before he hits a hole, which significantly decreases his chances of having a good run. Perhaps the improvement in the run game is due large in part to the fact that Willis McGahee actually understands how to run the football and he knows how to hit a hole.

Moreno must have spent too much time this offseason cutting weight and doing karate (or whatever) and not enough time practicing his cutting and keeping his balance.

His vision appears to have deteriorated, and I remember he caught a screen pass that should have gone for a touchdown had he actually followed the platoon of blockers out in front of him.

I think it would be really cool to see the Broncos move Moreno to a slot receiver position if he does not pan out at running back. He still has talent and is a very hard worker, and at this point is a much better receiver than running back.

He has been a severe disappointment to this point in 2011, and I think he will probably be considered a bust if he can't put together a huge 12 games here.

 

Von Miller

 

Defensive Backfield Stinks--2012 Draft the Answer?

There were multiple plays that I noted on Sunday where the defensive backfield looked like pure rubbish. The first touchdown pass to Jordy Nelson had no safety help over the top, and Vaughn or whoever was covering him was burnt to a crisp.

The touchdown pass to Greg Jennings when he ran out of the slot was uncovered because both Brian Dawkins and the left corner played Jermichael Finley, leaving the Packers' best player wide open down the seam.

The pass that was completed to Donald Driver was actually decent coverage by Andre' Goodman, and Rodgers simply fit it into a tight window.

This has led me to the conclusion that John Elway is right--in addition to adding a top notch pass rusher, having good cornerbacks is absolutely key. The Bears have not really subscribed to that theory and have had very good defenses through the years, but I think the Broncos will have to take two cornerbacks potentially in the first three rounds of next year's draft if they do not sign a top notch young player in free agency.

I know a lot of people hate looking toward the draft at this point in the year, but when you think about it, it's already been almost six months since the 2011 draft, meaning we're nearly halfway there.

As of right now, this is a very deep draft in terms of the cornerbacks available, should they choose to leave early which they usually do. At the rate which our win-loss record is progressing, we could potentially land one of the best cornerback prospects in the draft, which would be Alabama's Dre' Kirkpatrick (6'3" and a freak athlete with a killer instinct) or Morris Claiborne of LSU, who is a jack of all trades and tough as a copperhead snake.

 

Anticipation of the Return of Demaryius Thomas

I cannot wait until this guy comes back. He is extremely talented, and unfortunately, extremely unlucky. I think the broken finger was a blessing in disguise because you don't want to rush DT back from that Achilles injury. Northwestern quarterback Dan Persa tore his Achilles back in early November against the Iowa Hawkeyes, and just returned to action this past Saturday.

Either Thomas is extremely ahead of schedule, or he is rushing himself. You'd hate for it to be the latter.

But when this guy is on the field, he is an absolute beast, and I can't wait to see him play again.

 

Eric Decker

Is there any question that this guy is an absolute stud playmaker?

Here's a stat for you--the only non-kickers to score more points than Decker this year are Calvin Johnson and LeSean McCoy.

You saw his explosive speed and quickness in the return touchdown against the Raiders, and since then, we've seen Deckers fantastic body control, route running skills, and just overall his nose for the end zone. You can't say enough about this kid.

Coming out of college, I remember grading him as a first round pick and nearly crapping my pants when we robbed him in the third round.

The guy is a gamer, and he is only going to get better. Just wait until we add Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Julius  Thomas back to the mix.

 

Virgil Green

This guy is slowly turning out to be one of the better decisions we made in the 2011 NFL draft. He has shown excellent promise as a blocker when he is known for his ability to catch the ball and make plays with his legs.

It sure wasn't his blocking ability that people were talking about when he ran a 4.5 40 yard dash and wowed scouts at the Combine.

Keep an eye on #85, folks.

 

Kyle Orton

My opinion of Orton has not changed. I think he has played awful this season and is being rewarded for it. With the exception of the Cincinnati game that featured only two legitimate wide receivers for most of the game, he has not spread the ball around--at all.

He has hit Decker and Brandon Lloyd a total of 38 times, the next highest guys are McGahee and tight end Daniel Fells with 11 catches each. Keep in mind that Lloyd also missed a game there.

I am not impressed with the quarterback that allegedly has the backing of the locker room, and the guy that supposedly gives us the best chance to win. Orton might be a darn respectable guy but for $9 million and virtually no chance of seeing Quinn or Tebow on the field, he had better play his socks off.

He has not.

Instead, Orton leads the NFL with six interceptions and is missing open receivers left and right. Even on a perfectly executed flea flicker, Orton managed to tick me off by vastly underthrowing Brandon Lloyd who was wide open for a touchdown.

Lloyd consistently took Trammon Williams to school on Sunday but Orton could not deliver, underthrowing Lloyd in particular on one bomb which would have been an easy touchdown in the back of the end zone.

He also over-threw Lloyd in the end zone--again wide open.

Overall, you have to consider whether the Broncos actually think that Tim Tebow has a chance to make it in the NFL. This game had an eerily similar feeling to the home game against Oakland last year, as well as the road game against Arizona.

There is absolutely no reason why Tebow or Quinn wasn't on the field unless the Broncos are trying to get Orton hurt so they have an excuse to put one in.

I'm sick and tired of this guy getting so many excuses, and I know you are too. he has to start playing the brand of football that everyone raved about at training camp, the type of football that made him such a "clear" starter after the pre-season.

Despite nearly perfect protection from the offensive line and another 100 yard rushing effort by McGahee, Orton had arguably his worst performance of the season on the biggest stage when the opportunities were not only present, they were plentiful.

 

Quarterbacks in general

I am obviously in the Pro-Tebow camp, and that has not been a secret around here for a good length of time. I realize his limitations and I realize he might not be ready, but this is slowly going from a lost season to a wasted season, and I fear our coaches don't see that or worse--they see it and choose to ignore it.

The Broncos obviously have no plans of continuing after this season with Kyle Orton. He was this close to being traded to Miami for a fourth round draft pick.

Now, I don't think the Broncos should "Suck for Luck" or anything like that, but they need to re-evaluate the quarterback situation at the bye week, and if they don't (or the longer they leave Orton in) I will continue to progress in the belief that they are really trying to secure a high enough pick in the draft to get the quarterback of their choosing, even though that has clearly not been John Fox's MO in the NFL.

Plain and simple, the Broncos are blatantly wasting everyone's time, which I wrote last week and still maintain through this week. At this point, it doesn't really matter if Tim is ready or not, you just have to throw him out there and see what he can do over the next 12 games.

Unfortunately, the more wee keep saying that, the less likely it appears to happen, so we will just have to continue to be patient and root for Kyle and the Broncos on Sundays.

 

As for the future of the position, until Tebow plays I think it's very much in the air. The longer Orton is in there, the more it seems like the Broncos want their own guy and not Tim Tebow.

There are a good percentage of fans who really want Andrew Luck, which is understandable. The dude is just a great athlete and probably the best QB prospect to come along since Manning--I get that, I run an NFL Draft website and watch Luck play all the time.

However, I don't know that the Broncos are going to be in place to select him at the end of the year, so assuming they are not and they are dead set on taking another quarterback, what are their options? What is my favorite option?

Well, thank you for asking.

I really like Landry Jones (Oklahoma) and Matt Barkley (USC) for various reasons. Jones is deadly accurate, Barkley is a gamer and constantly learning and improving, and both guys are above average athletes.

However, there is one guy who I really have my eye on right now as a potential favorite quarterback prospect, and that is Baylor's Robert Griffin III.

Griffin has been lights out through the first few games this season, completing over 82 percent of his passes with 18 touchdowns compared to only one interception. He is also already in graduate school and by all accounts is a no-bull leader for the Bears.

He's got a strong arm and despite the fact that he was an All-American track star with fantastic speed, his first instinct does not appear to be to run the ball. This guy always has his eye down the field and is looking to make plays any way he can.

So in case you are wondering, I like Robert Griffin III as a quarterback prospect, and would rank him second behind Tebow as my favorite quarterback prospect for the Broncos at this point assuming we do not have the top pick in the draft.

You stay classy, MHR.

 

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What are the odds of us trading a QB before the deadline?

I hope it is Orton. They would burn Dove Valley down were it Tebow. Miami needs a QB.

by Ranger_99 on Oct 3, 2011 7:59 PM MDT reply actions  

Zilch

Fox wants Orton and is not in the slightest interested in Tebow. Orton practices well and coaches love players who look good in practice.

by Tim Lynch on Oct 3, 2011 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

So why not trade Tebow

If they won’t play him, then trade him for someone they will play.

by FresnoKevin on Oct 3, 2011 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's untradeable.

What is another team going to give up for him? A late round pick although if Fox can’t be creative enough to use him effectively a late round pick might be worth it.

by ruralnugs on Oct 3, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe not untradeable...

But i would be ashamed if the FO gave him away for a low pick, and then he goes to a team willing to develop an offense around him and he dominates the league for a decade.

Ashamed isnt the right word…. furious/sick/depressed might be closer.

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

They won't trade him.

1-5 or maybe 1-6 and we will see Tebow.

by Broncorm on Oct 3, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Give me 2 more winnable games…

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why would Miami take Orton now? Especially after the botched trade earlier this year. They have as good a chance at getting Luck as anybody.

by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 3, 2011 8:18 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nobody will trade for Orton now.

Not even a cheerleader or a waterboy. He sabotaged his only offer and now he is playing himself out of a job.

by SoCalBronco7 on Oct 4, 2011 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great stuff.

I read an article on Griffin in SI this week, and man does this guy seem special.
If Tebow doesn’t get a shot I would rank my top 3 QB prospects: Luck,Griffin,Jones.

-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -

by Automatik41 on Oct 3, 2011 8:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I think Rodgers would have abused the secondary whether Champ was in or not.

One man, too many weapons.

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:00 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Could you imagine...

Luck with Lloyd,Decker,Royal,Thomas and Orange Julius to throw to?

-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -

by Automatik41 on Oct 3, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

it would be redonk for sure.

With those pass catchers and a running qb.

If Tebow works out our rebuilding might not be so bad

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:04 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah it could like that Florida Offense.

Royal:Harvin
OJ: Hernandez
LLoyd: Murphy
Decker: Cooper.

Very exciting

-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -

by Automatik41 on Oct 3, 2011 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too bad it wont happen

Fox would have to show (gasp) creativity and ingenuity on order to utilize Tebow in such a manner

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Unfortunetaly you are probably right

-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -

by Automatik41 on Oct 3, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm a Tebow supporter, but I sure would be happy with Luck

Thing is, I don’t think we will get Luck. We already have one win, so we are unlikely to finish last. If we don’t, new rookie pay scale makes trading up to #1 nearly impossible. Add in that the top spot is the most anticipated prize in more than a decade and you see that whoever finishes worst, would be foolish to pass on Luck. Except St Louis, who have their future stud QB – but for them to tank the season Bradford has to play poorly enough to cast legitimate doubt in his status.

But the drop-off from Luck is so steep, I’m not sure the next available QB will be better than Tebow. It depends on Tebow evaluation, which for me is way incomplete.

by si_ice on Oct 3, 2011 8:02 PM MDT reply actions  

I disagree about QB drop off

I think Barkley, Jones, and Griffin are all top 10 picks.

by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 3, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really? I figured Griffin wouldn’t be labeled as a top 10 pick without seeing how he plays the rest of the season. He is playing his tail off though and definitely appears to have the skill to be a top 10 QB. Barkley is my favorite so far behind Luck.

by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 3, 2011 8:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

top 10 pick*

by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 3, 2011 8:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

agree

Might be another ’83 on our hands

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

major injury concerns with RGIII

His kness are really bad and i am not sure he has the arm strength of a NFL QB. Could be wrong though, have only watched him on TV, dont get down to Waco too much anymore.

Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.

by BRASO on Oct 3, 2011 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

He redshirted

one year for an ACL. Some come back better and some dont. I think his play the last 12 games have shown he is healthy.

by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 3, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think those who watch college ball a lot have a bias that precludes sound judgement.

i’m not saying you are wrong…I’m just saying these guys probably are not as good as being advertised.

by Tim Lynch on Oct 3, 2011 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

You thought we were going to win yesterday? Dude… Kool Aid needs to be put away for 2011.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 3, 2011 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought we could win, yes

I’m not going to constantly expect the Broncos to lose. I realize their limitations, but if I wanted to be a miserable sports fan, I’d stick to baseball.

by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 4, 2011 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Haha

Well put.

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by KaptainKirk on Oct 4, 2011 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Baseball is too boring. But 2011 won’t be our year my friend.

Like you, I still have super high hopes for Tebow. And the sooner the better.

I have no such hopes for any sort of team success with Orton on this team as a starter.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 7:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice roundup as usual Sayre!

The future can be very bright for this team if the powers that be loosen their sphincters a little and take a few chances. Somtimes you actually need to trust your fans (I’m talking to you Shanahan and McD about Peyton Hillis).

by John in Castle Rock on Oct 3, 2011 8:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Tebow was 49% accuracy last year

soon enough, those guys that plunked $10K on the billboard are going to wonder “wtf was I thinking?”

by heykyleinsf on Oct 3, 2011 8:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Ya, you know that whole first 3 starts thing.

Im sure you are just about to post Elways stats from just 3 starts right?

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol, good one

Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow

by azbroncomaniac on Oct 3, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm sure they and a lot of the anyone but Orton contingent are willing to be wrong.

The problem is Fox and the pro-Orton best chance to win contingent can’t.

I’m willing to be wrong about Tebow but counting on Orton is the definition of insanity.

by ruralnugs on Oct 3, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well said rural

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

DJ, if you're reading this,

i love you and dont ever want you to leave. please realize that this is sarcasm.

by mast on Oct 4, 2011 6:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

He lead our team in sacks last year Tim. DJ isn’t as bad as you say. While I perfer Woodyard, DJ is one of our better defenders.

Where was this fire when McJedi was running our team into the ground?

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Do you think Robert Griffin III will declare this year

He is my favorite QB in the draft this year but I get the feeling he’ll go back to school for one more year. Do you know anything.

Fun fact on Robert Griffin: before last week’s game, Griffin had thrown more touchdowns (13) than incompletions (12). After last weeks game I think it’s like touchdowns (15) incompletion’s (18).

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 8:13 PM MDT reply actions  

I cant imagine that he wouldnt.

He is already halfway through his masters degree so its not like he is concerned about that. He can finish his masters in the summer and on correspondence.

His team mates talked him out of going to law school so he could play, so if he still wants to go that route he might rethink the NFL all together. However, a guy a friggin smart as he is will recognize the rare opportunity he will have this year in the draft. I would be surprised if he doesnt.

by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 3, 2011 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I did not know he was going for his masters

every time I hear things about this guy, he impresses me more and more.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice Sayre

my only question….. where is the section for Von Miller, or were you just mentioning his name?

John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 3, 2011 8:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Miller doesn't need a section.

Only a single sentence: “Von Miller dominated opposite Doom”

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's my only queston. Why, after 4 solid years of production, does nobody like Kellen Moore?

Oh…too short
Oh…bad mechanics
Oh…whatever.
This is not so much for you palehorse, but why is he never mentioned in the QB sweepstakes?

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"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow

by azbroncomaniac on Oct 3, 2011 8:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was hoping someone would catch that

“Von Miller” is simply all that needed to be said. lol

by Sayre Bedinger on Oct 3, 2011 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed!!

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 3, 2011 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotchu brother and agreed...... Von Miller..... nuff said!!!

John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 3, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

By the way

Nice screen name… “Behold the pale horse, and on him rode death…” Classic

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice write....

When you mention potential QB prospects, don’t forget Nick Foles. He is, in my opinion, the most underrated college QB right now. Absolute stud.

by swg777 on Oct 3, 2011 8:16 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree with this!

Keep an eye on Nick Foles folks I have a feeling he’ll be wearing Orange and Blue next year. He’s big, 6’5" 240 lbs and accurate. At the end of this season he’ll have almost 3 years starting experience in the Pac-12. He may slip into the 2nd round.

by AtomicLeo on Oct 4, 2011 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think he’s absolutely overrated.

Many think of him as an elite QB prospect and while he certainly has pluses, his offense is most definitely not a pro style offense. Very short, quick hit passing offense. I think he will take awhile to transition to the NFL’s style of passing. I think he can do it, but he’s definitely not ready to step in day 1.

Luck and Barkley definitely are ready from Day 1.

I’m on the fence about Jones.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 4, 2011 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Sayre!

I like the way you presented this. It is good to read some positive thoughts on our team every so often. Thanks man. Req’d

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by timmaybronco on Oct 3, 2011 8:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Tebow comes in for one play and loses 1 yard.

I doubt he would have even gotten 2 TD’s against the Packers.

We play the Super Bowl holders and contenders we get washed out (which was expected) and now all of a sudden once again people are clamoring for a guy who will be a backup for the rest of his NFL life.

I am quite positive that the fact that we lost does not come down to just Orton. That secondary would have left a Minnesota Gopher WR wide open.

There is an upside to putting in Tebow, we would be a major contender for the Luck sweepstakes and for that I am hoping Fox puts him in.

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by BosnianBronco on Oct 3, 2011 8:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Ok, I'll bite.

The result of the play i blame on the coaches, and although i agree he needs playing time.

So same means, different ends, but ill agree to disagree about your assesment of a single predictable run into the line.

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I honestly wonder if people here watch the game.

Hey Tebow run a QB draw that even I knew was coming. Oh, no gain. See I told you it wouldn’t work. More stubborn than McD.

We are a contender for Luck. Orton hasn’t won many games lately or at all for that matter.

by ruralnugs on Oct 3, 2011 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I listened to Fox's press conferences from last night and today..

and I’m hoping the post game comment was in the heat of the moment. At today’s presser he seemed a lot more diplomatic about the QB position. I’m not saying he’s getting ready to make a change by any means but I’m really hoping the post game comment wasn’t an F U as some have noted. We shall see.

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 3, 2011 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can you link, or quote? i must have missed that one.

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

The post game and his Monday presser (in 2 parts) are posted on denverbroncos.com front page.

I hate to say it but I’m pretty old and don’t know how to post the link lol

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 3, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol, sounds good, ill take it from here pops ;)

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

It also may have been my interpretation (or grasping at straws)

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 3, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah cause our QB that is leading the NFL in turnovers that has cost us 2 games already isn't guiding us towards Luck

Orton is playing worse than Andy Dalton right now. Do you even watch the games?

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by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

That play was a

total slap in the face to every Bronco fan. The fact that our head coach chose to degrade a player and give the fans the finger is sad. The only regret Fox has is that the Broncos were not backed up at the 1 inch line so that Tebow would get nailed for a safety. There was absolutely no reason to run that particular play at that particular time other than to say “I am the boss here”.

by Broncos15 on Oct 4, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Long time Bronco fan here.

I have been with our boys since Morton. I am sure some have been around longer but just saying I have been with the Broncs as a die hard for many years. I / we suffered through all the torment of always being told our team sucks, our team has never won a superbowl our team is a joke blah blah blah on and on for all my childhood and always stood bye and always stood strong as a supporter as a believer. This is the first time that I feel like the Management of our team is giving us the finger. The fact that they brought Tebow in on first and ten and ran a qb sneak the said he lost yards so the Tebow package didn’t work felt like a big middle finger in our faces. Looks I am not one who is saying Tebow is the answer, but I am damn sure saying Orton isn’t. Why the hell a Team wouldn’t look at what is happening and say we need to figure out what we have and decide if we need a draft pick coming up next year to fix the problem is beyond me. I see improvement in our defense. I love the newer guys like Von Miller and even not as new Decker. We have many pieces in place that are great I.E. Clady, Dumerville, Franklin, Thomas (if he can ever stay healthy). Good prospects like Moore and Carter. Then you throw in LLoyd, Williams, Woodyard, Beadles, Mcgahee, and of course Bailey. This team is not a waste this team has many pieces to put together a decent puzzle. It is hard to be positive though when you feel the team is strangely comfortable going with below mediocrity without using it to persevere towards positive development. Leadership on Offense is missing and it seems our management is fine with that. Sad times to be a fan. I think Fox could be a good coach if not a great coach. This headstrong FU he gave us as fans though is worrying.

by PAULERBEAR on Oct 3, 2011 8:31 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I think the game was too out of hand to bring in Tebow for trick play packages

Tebow was brought in for one play on the 2nd drive of the game when the game was still 7-3. Orton threw the pick 6 pretty quickly after that and the next time the broncos saw the ball we were down 21-3. Tebow’s chances of running any wild horses packages were basically done at that point. We were able to drive back to bring it to 21-17 but the next time the broncos saw the ball it was 35-17.

I think Fox planned to use Tebow more but because the score got lopsided really quickly, he wasn’t able too and once the game was out of hand he didn’t want to tip his hand on any trick plays they had. I’m sure they also realize that the only way the Tebow formations will work is if the defense fears Tebow as both a runner and a thrower so if the Broncos continue to use the Tebow formations, I expect a 2-1 ratio of run to throw.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

AlbertaBronc

I am not speaking of trick plays, I mean as Q.B. entirely. The kid showed guts last year and made watching the Broncos fun again for the first time since Elway was a player. Orton is gonna give us what he has always given us. Put the game on his shoulders and he will crumble. We need to fin out what Tebow has and then decide if this is enough to warrant a draft of another Q.B. next year or not. Quinn is gone Orton is gone as soon as week 16 is over. I wish our team would figure out what direction we are gonna go. There is 12 weeks left in our season and no direction for the future. Defense is looking better but offense is pretty anemic. Where you from BTW Alberta ? I am in MT.

by PAULERBEAR on Oct 3, 2011 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I understand

it just kinda felt like you were angry the broncos didn’t use Tebow more in special packages.

I live in Calgary. MT is Montana right, I use to go down there a lot, where you from?

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice

I’ve been to Great Falls plenty of times and have enjoyed it every time.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gt Falls

Next time your down let me know we will get together have abeer and watch our Broncos !!!!

by PAULERBEAR on Oct 3, 2011 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

definitely

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I tried to find the pic of him stuffing Okoye but I couldn’t find a good picture so I stuck with this one. I still wear my vintage orange Atwater jersey on game day too.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Oct 3, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

“The kid showed guts last year and made watching the Broncos fun again for the first time since Elway was a player.”
Yep! That’s the point! Thank you.

by buckeyebronco on Oct 3, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

way to represent MT

I think buckeye is just saying it was fun watching the Broncs last year w/ Tebow at the helm. Despite is inexperience he brought level of fire, enthusiasm, and confidence to the offense that is severely lacking with Orton at the helm. He may never be a pure pocket passer, but he’ll get it in the end zone from 2 yards out almost everytime.

As for Atwater, I was a pup for the Okoye hit, but saw the replay 800 times and will never forget his interception of Farve in XXXII. Perhaps Moore will bring some of the magic back . . .

by MTorange&blue on Oct 3, 2011 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

MTorange&blue

good points, I do hope moore can bring some magic back to the safety position.

by PAULERBEAR on Oct 4, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

*I

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Oct 3, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

lean times

for sure. I cried like a baby when we won our first SB title.

by PAULERBEAR on Oct 3, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Present opinion as fact....you just hit my pet peeve....

…..I think Bosnian is completely wrong, but he doesn’t have to begin every sentence with “In my opinion”. You could go through every post on this site and pick out 50% of the comments that state something that doesn’t have “In my opinion” in it. Do I need to say “In my opinion” about the last sentence for you? I notice that people only get upset about that if they are on the other side of the argument, you know, in my opinion. There was even a while last year when McG was very critical of McD and the regime before everybody else was that he was being told so often to quit stating things as facts that he actually put “In my opinion” as his tag line.

"Pain don't hurt" - Swayze (Road House) -- We miss you man!

by bonaire on Oct 3, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions   4 recs

Some of us need to put our big-kid panties on

95% of the stuff on this site is opinion. No need to qualify it. In other words, I agree with you.

Now, in MY opinion, Tim Tebow has a lot to show before he proves that he’s the our long-term QB solution. But right now I’d be 1000% behind him getting the chance to prove it in place of Orton. Orton is not the long-term solution, this team is not playing for the playoffs, and keeping Orton on the field is really wasting a lot of time and effort. That is, unless Tebow and/or Quinn are so inept in practice that the staff just really doesn’t think that either of them can lead the offense. The only other possible sane reason to keep trucking with Orton is that the staff really doesn’t want Tebow and they are afraid that he’ll perform well enough that they’d look bad drafting someone else. Kind of stupid reasoning, if you ask me, so I’m holding out hope that this just isn’t true.

by BroncosBassist on Oct 4, 2011 6:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

“Kind of stupid reasoning, if you ask me, so I’m holding out hope that this just isn’t true.”

Me too man.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Done

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow

I think Tebow will start when we are out of it. When are we out of it? Who knows. I think we can win next week, so that would make us 2-3 and that will give us a little hope. Even if we lose next week, I’m not sure that will be enough for Fox and Elway to make the change. 1-5 or 1-6 might do it.

by Broncorm on Oct 3, 2011 8:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Sayre...you know what they say about common sense...it aint that common...exhibit 1: John Fox!

FIRE JOHN FOX!

Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!

by boydy2669 on Oct 3, 2011 9:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Packers play-calling really ticked me off.

Did they need to go for it on 4th down?
Did they really need to kick an on-sider?

Their coach must have bet the spread…. Someone should probably investigate….

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 9:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Actually, going for it on 4th down and the onside kick should tell Fox all he needs to know.

Teams do not fear our offense. The packers had nothing to lose in either situation because we cannot compete. It is that simple. GB had nothing to fear by going for it on 4th. Denver can’t score. If they give Denver a short field on a failed onside kick, who cares? Denver can’t score. No one is afraid of this team. It’s pathetic.

Life's too short for bad tone!

by Teleman on Oct 3, 2011 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's sad...but true!

FIRE JOHN FOX!

Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!

by boydy2669 on Oct 3, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

or you could look at it the other way

The Packers D has been suspect so far this year. The GB coach wanted to make sure that he was going to score as much as possible to make up for his D’s failings. In that way, you could view it as a sign of respect for our offense – or disrespect for our D.

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 4, 2011 7:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the Packers were killing the Bears all game but by getting conservative they actually gave the Bears a tiny bit of a sniff toward the end. McCarthy probably didn’t want a repeat.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Oct 4, 2011 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Watch this:

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/10/3/2467410/new-york-times-message-to-john-fox#comments
Great find Honeymac!

FIRE JOHN FOX!

Kyle Orton and John Fox- Definitive proof you dont need a red nose and big floppy feet to be an absolute clown!

by boydy2669 on Oct 3, 2011 9:13 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

MHR as GM by committee....

Love how everyone is hopping on that bandwagon. But we called it first!

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

awesome video

it does seem strange and frustrating the way Fox (and/or the front office) is handling this situation. A good practice player that plays horrible in games doesn’t exactly translate to “best chance to win.” Is he being as stubborn and immature as McD was by sticking to his Orton guns despite the apparent flaws? He does have a million times more experience than I, so hopefully he sees something that we don’t and is not just abusing the fans with some sort of “office politics” as the NY Times video says.

by MTorange&blue on Oct 3, 2011 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Tim Tebow gives you hope"

Get it Foxster you outdated stubborn dinosaur of a coach. Let me repeat it for you in case you need to see it a few times:

“Tim Tebow gives you hope”
“Tim Tebow gives you hope”
“Tim Tebow gives you hope”
“Tim Tebow gives you hope”
“Tim Tebow gives you hope”

That is all we fans need to go through the rebuild process.

by SoCalBronco7 on Oct 4, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Joe Mays comments today said a lot. Orton is reeling. His teammates feel more sorry for him than any other feeling. This train crash is just starting folks.

Wait until Orton starts to struggle vs San Diego next week and the home crowd is more busy booing Orton than the Dolts.

I’m curious to see if Fox can keep this thing from spiraling out of control like the 2010 season. We are a team that lacks focus, lacks conviction in themselves and is constantly fighting the home fans. Will the boo birds affect us on Sunday…

my guess is yes and we get creamed. This team will be too tight and fighting too hard against the tide of fan angst. Orton plays his worst game yet as the fans go over the top with boos.

Denver 10 – SD 39

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 3, 2011 10:12 PM MDT reply actions  

Probably.

I really hope VonDoom puts Rivers in the dirt a couple of times though, just so it isnt a complete waste

by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 3, 2011 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Me too. I know I hate Rivers with every ounce of my being.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 5:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Its so ironic

But this is the 1st time, I somehow inside want the Broncos to lose on Sundays until they realize and make a change. I like when Orton makes a play, but do not have that down feeling when we lose, infact I get satisfaction when we lose…

Darn, I am becoming evil… :(

by isiddiqi on Oct 4, 2011 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

My down feeling is not about games in 2011. I had no hope we would win the GB game.

My down feeling comes from knowing we are not rebuilding the way teams should and do when they catapult themselves to better days. My down feeling is the same as it was in the McJedi era. The D looks better, but we are still clueless at QB, RB, CB and HC.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 5:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

No quitting

the Buccaneers are really good for sure from that Monday night game!

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 3, 2011 10:41 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree...

That there were positives to take from this game. This team is a long term project. We shouldn’t expect much this year, but if the existing players buy into the system and we can put together another couple of good drafts…we might have something here. Just don’t expect much this year.

The grass is always greener on the other side when you haven't given it a chance to grow yet.

by TheMastermind on Oct 3, 2011 11:13 PM MDT reply actions  

I think it’s funny that Fox cares about “losing the locker room” when half of the locker room probably needs to disappear anyway.

by tunesmith on Oct 3, 2011 11:14 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

haha. Good one.

Starters that need to disappear.

Orton
Moreno
Royal
Vickerson (as a starter)
Goodman
DJ Williams
Vaughn (from the starting lineup anyway)
and sadly
Dawkins

Backups. The entire O-line, Ball

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have hopes for Royal with an accurate quarterback. Orton’s a bad match for Royal. I also have hopes for Moreno with a smarter offensive scheme (screens, outlet passes, anything with space). But I have trouble arguing either should be every-play starters.

by tunesmith on Oct 4, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

great article

I’m the eternal optimist, and love reading this post. Appreciate it and keep ’em coming Sayre. I hope VonDoom makes Phillip “Cry me a” Rivers a miserable slop of a man this Sunday.

GO BRONCOS!!

by MTorange&blue on Oct 3, 2011 11:46 PM MDT reply actions  

If Orton is our guy on Sunday

I will cheer for him to play like he has in the past when he’s on fire. If he sucks again, I will boo him from afar the next day. On and on until he’s gone or shows us he’s better than he is showing. I want our boys to win this Sunday, no matter who’s QB

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 12:16 AM MDT reply actions  

Love your posts Sayre

But you guys are probably not going to see Tebow play quarterback. Orton has crapped the bed but all this pining for Tebow is a waste of breath.I think your right and maybe they will draft a quarterback, and they do need new corners, but what happened to the defensive tackle position? Nobody talks about it anymore, is everybody happy with the d tackle play?

by Baghdad on Oct 4, 2011 4:34 AM MDT reply actions  

DT play has been vastly better than play from the QB, CB, RB and some O-line spots. It’s not as big a weakness as those positions have proven.

Not that we are good at DT, just not as bad as Orton or Moreno.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 5:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks baghdad

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Guys we have been lied to EFX all decided they never want Tebow to be their QB.
As for the future of the position, until Tebow plays I think it’s very much in the air. The longer Orton is in there, the more it seems like the Broncos want their own guy and not Tim Tebow.

How blind can we be we were lied to from the day that they said there would be an open competition. But KO took all the first team reps from day one. Only shot Tebow gets to play is if the pressure get to Fox it won’t happen at they bye even if we get killed by the chargers. Broncos just wish Tebow would disappear.

oldcoachB

"The will to win, the desire to succeed, the urge to reach your full potential...
these are the keys that will unlock the door to personal excellence."

by oldcoachB on Oct 4, 2011 5:32 AM MDT reply actions  

I never got the feeling Fox ever wanted him. I sort of believe that the game is passing Fox by, and he isn’t capable of anything except seeing a game played strictly by the book. He isn’t into or does not understand nor appreciate a player who can improvise. He’s a coach that plays a conservative field position, defense and run game. Which pretty much means an anti-Tebow type coach, so I don’t know he is capable of coaching a Tim Tebow.
A note about Fox that has bothered me the most was how he chose to go for the fg in a 3-10 game vs. the Raiders, and to chance a long miss vs. pinning the Raiders deep, which, of course, goes to the idea of field position to manage a game. That choice went against what type of coaching philosophy he’s about, so I was confused by Fox. It made me wonder whether he has a solid coaching ideal, or if he has lost confidence in what he believed his game plan as a head coach is. I think Fox knows it is a passer’s league, and he’s trying hard to keep up and change, but I have doubts he has the capability to coach in today’s NFL.
I think Elway is the one who keeps acting like he likes Tebow, when, in fact, he doesn’t care a whole lot for him. Tebow is a lot like Elway, who was never a purely great pocket passer, till, maybe his final 3 or 4 years. I’d think Elway would want to give the kid a chance, but I think Elway believes Tebow’s arm isn’t good nor accurate enough, and no matter how much of a winner Tebow is, Elway isn’t buying Tebow’s goods.

...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...

by 7sky on Oct 4, 2011 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Elway didn't care for Tebow

he wouldn’t have spent 30 minutes after practice during training camp working one-on-one with TT on his drop. The video from camp should still be available somewhere, but I can’t find the link.

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 4, 2011 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wrote that Elway keeps acting like he likes Tebow. Your point could just be backing up, mine.

...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...

by 7sky on Oct 4, 2011 7:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Am I the only person that thinks Knowshon can still be a good RB?

I really think he has the talent and willingness to do so if he can stay healthy or out of the dog house

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Oct 4, 2011 6:48 AM MDT reply actions  

He seems to be a limited, third down back. Good receiver. Running the ball, he’s trying so hard to gain yards, he’s not being patient enough to allow the possible hole to open. He outran his 3 guys up front on that screen, and on other run plays, isn’t timing his blocks well, especially if he is asked to run it inside. Bottom line for me is Knowshown doesn’t seem to be great at anything. He isn’t particularly shifty, fast, quick, or strong.

...conceptually, it's fine, but the narrative needs work...

by 7sky on Oct 4, 2011 7:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes. very sad to spend another high pick on RB in 2012.

Johnny Utah > Kyle Orton

by McGeorge on Oct 4, 2011 7:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

we need O line before RB in my opinion

this line can’t run block worth shit

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Oct 4, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

This line helped McGahee average

6.9 yards per attempt against the number 1 rushing defense. The line is getting better and better week after week

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

Depends on your definition of “high”

I think the highest we take a RB is in the 2nd and probably more likely in the 3rd.

RB’s just aren’t a premium position anymore. Mark Ingram was a stud in college and he went at the end of round 1.

I think we could get a real steal in a guy like LaMichael James. He is small which throws up durability concerns, but he’s a play maker. I would pull the trigger in a heart beat in round 3.

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by Nick Cast on Oct 4, 2011 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

if he can stay healthy or out of the dog house

Problem is, after 2+ seasons, he has proved he cant

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah but nobody could have run behind our line last year

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Oct 4, 2011 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

So why cant he run behind our line this year and McGahee can?

Hell even Lance Ball ran better. Moreno is a bust

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Knowshon has 10 ATTEMPTS THIS SEASON

Give him a break

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Oct 4, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cause he's HURT YET AGAIN FOR HIS HAMSTRINGS

for the 3rd year in a row. The excuses for him are starting to become as bad as the excuses for Orton

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

The only way Tebow starts before game 9 or 10 is

if Bowlen tells Elway and Fox to start him. Something tells me though that Bowlen is grooming Elway to take the franchise over, thus will not be brash with #7. That will be Elway’s job to be brash with Fox in that circumstance.

I say there’s about a 50% chance of that happening, it depends on what the fans do. If the fans start hurting the team in the pockets, Bowlen will respond, if not, Bowlen won’t.

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A.To keep fans from grazing during the game."

by Broncs55 on Oct 4, 2011 7:25 AM MDT reply actions  

$$ talks and BS (ours) walks

The TV money is there and the tickets are bought and paid for so the only recourse the fans have is to not show up or leave early and not buy concessions, right? Where else does revenue com from?

broncorat

"Orton doesn't throw many interceptions or make many mistakes, is what his supporters say. But he throws interceptions at the worst possible times and makes mistakes at the worst possible times." W. Paige, 9/15/2011

by broncorat on Oct 4, 2011 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Running game is better becuase Moreno is not running it...

From the moment McD took over, it was apparent our O-Line was going to suffer. He blew up one of the better lines in football, just because. He ran out of town a tough runner who O-lineman loved to block for because he made mistakes. He stuck with “his guy” Moreno even when he made mistakes and, more importantly, did not hit the damn whole. I was worried about Moreno from the start. He was getting caught from behind in college all the time which was strange for more of a speed/finesse back. The worrisome thing, all his “highlight” runs came on plays where you could literally drive a truck through the hole. No exaggeration, at 260 lbs and 5 second 40 I could have run through those holes. I am no saying I would have gotten the same yardage, but I could have gotten through those holes.

In the NFL backs have to consistently fit through cracks and crevices. Yea, sometimes there is a big hole, but that is not the bread and butter for most backs. Moreno lacked the speed to get to the edge, he is only a shade faster than Hillis, and is not powerful enough to be a power runner. Since Moreno has come to this team I have been sickened on this site how consistently the O-Line has been blamed for Moreno’s failures. McGahee is a back that runs hard through those cracks. Yes the o-line is improving but the biggest improvement came when the broncos got rid of a coach who had not feel for the offensive line and acquired a back who runs in tight spaces. When Moreno’s supporters were always blaming the o-line, I constantly asked the question, what team would give us a 1st, 2nd or even a 3rd round pick for Moreno? Who could he start for? The answer is no one would. More to the point, as good as McGahee is running who would trade us for him? My point is the line is blocking well enough, not great but they are not the offenses problems.

Hell, ball is running better than Moreno. As for Moreno’s pass catching skills, yes he is better than our other running backs, but how much better? Both Ball and McGahee have done well catching the ball. Moreno as a slot receiver, you are joking right? If DT and Royal get healthy, you think he is better than Royal or Decker who would be our slot guys? Even if only one of them gets healthy, that means we play Moreno instead of either Royal or Decker at slot?

by Keyworthpunch on Oct 4, 2011 8:33 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks McGeorge

Can’t watch hardly any Broncos games, and I was wondering if the DT position was better or something, because people aren’t posting many complaints about it

by Baghdad on Oct 4, 2011 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

The DT position is holding their own

were currently ranked 12th vs the run. Our secondary sucks horribly because Champ is sidelined and Vaughn is no Champ. Also has to do with the fact that the secondary is either really old or really young+went up against Aaron Rodgers, who has completed less 73% only once this year, and that was at 63%

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 4, 2011 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

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Bronco-pride_small Brian Shrout

Broncohoodie_in_africa_small Troy Hufford

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Position Coach

182px-jesus_small Jezru

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Broncos-von-miller_small Scotty Payne

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Hottie_small Sarah_Marshall