Let's Not Forget: Detroit Aftermath
So it's a tough loss this week, the toughest for me since Oakland last season. But underneath this game, like all games, there are things that are forgotten or overlooked. Some of these are bad, like the game itself, some are good, these might be rarer for this week. But the point remains, while obviously everyone is talking about Tebow, and it should be discussed, I wanted to dig a little.
I'm hoping this might become a weekly series, along with getting MHR Poll of the Week and MHR Roundtable back as well so we have three series running on Monday (Let's Not Forget), MHR Roundtable (Thurday) and MHR Poll of the Week (Saturday).
Now please remember this is taken from game film and stats put together, so this isn't a rush job, I did my best to give each topic deep coverage. Now I want this to be different than a normal Stud's or Dud's or Winner's or Loser's, so while I will categories them under similar labeling, I'm hoping to highlight things that won't be brought up in other game recap posts. With that in mind, let's try this idea out. Oh should I do good news first or bad news? Eh I think I'll go bad first so we finish on a high note. So with that in mind, remember to finish the bad news and read the good news before commenting. And remember these aren't final judgements on players saying they will 100% succeed or 100% fail.
Some Bad Things I Noted:
DT and Not That DT:
So Demaryius Thomas, we all know his injury history so I won't talk about that. What I want to discuss is his play, since his return to health he's been regulated behind Eddie Royal, has only been targeted 13 times and has only caught four passes, earning him our teams worse catch rate. Watching him play is a bit sad, he's a big guy, and coming into the draft, he was fast, like really fast, but so far these past two games he's been slow and avoiding contact. Now a lot may have to do with coming back from injury, but it's something that needs to be noted, that while I hope DT returns to his form he showed against Seattle last season, at this point in the season, he's been hesitant and slow, and I'm not a huge fan of that.
Now the ups and downs of our offensive line, and that is something that is well discussed at this point, to differing ends, but with all this going on, the play of Ryan Clady is largely going unnoticed. I won't deny Clady is our best player, but for a player who is close to free agency and was playing at an All-Pro level just a short time ago, Clady might be in trouble. I'm beginning to believe that his recent injuries may be taking a larger toll on him than many of us thought. He's still playing solidly, but he's not playing nearly to where he was, and I do wonder what that may do to our long term plans for that left side of the line, we'll see.
I hate talking about Tebow because he's such a focus in almost every other post, but I do feel a few notes need to be said. The first is Tebow is looking to his first read only, and if he's not open, he rolls out or runs. Now that is partly due to inexperience, but at this point he should be able to go through his progressions better. At this point the biggest thing I'm looking for that's not a physical thing, like accuracy or footwork, is being able to work through his reads. This is a fixable thing, but he's going to have to really get into the playbook and get it into his mind not to run when the first read isn't there.
The other thing about Tebow I wanted to note is that he lacks pocket presence. Now this is kind of chicken-or-the-egg situation. Many coaches speculate that mobile quarterbacks become mobile because they lack pocket presence while others say mobile quarterbacks lack pocket presence because they have the ability to move around. Now either way, most mobile quarterbacks lack a presence in the pocket, though there are exceptions, Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers, but modern mobile-heavy quarterbacks like Donovan McNabb and Ben Rothlisberger struggle with recognizing pressure. Now not every quarterback will be like Marino, Manning or Brady in the pocket, but it is something Tebow lacks. And like Tebow's many intangibles, pocket presence seems to be something that really isn't something that can be taught.
Secondary Speed:
This one is huge, and a big issue, our starters in the secondary are slow, like really slow. Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey are smart players, and Bailey is still playing at a high level, but both are playing slow. Andre Goodman, who is the same age as Champ is also playing slow. Add in our young guys are the opposite, they aren't very good in coverage but are lightning fast. Cassius Vaughn is a good example of this, he's possibly the fastest guy on the team, yet consistently gets beat due to lack of skill similar to Goodman or Champ. So we have old, slow, and experienced players and young, fast, poor players. That's not a good combo. Add in if you look at our remaining schedule, we face some pretty great, and fast, wide receivers, I'm more than a little scared.
Some Good Things I Noted:
Since the season starter Spencer Larsen has hit his blocks on almost every play. Though he is still struggling to get used to the new run blocking system, he's starting to hit his stride there, and is doing a fine job in pass blocking. He also has zero dropped passes and was a key cog in the offense early, though he hasn't been used as often since the quarterback change. Throw in his exceptional effort on every play he takes part in, from hustling down field on passes getting fired up during the game. Larsen may never be a great full back, but he's playing his heart out, and it's paying off.
Quarterback "Controversy?"
One of the biggest issues with the benching of Orton was that he wouldn't help Tebow or mentor him. While that would be fine, but many people were worried about that splitting the locker room. But since Orton's benching, that has been the opposite of what's happening. According to a number of sources, Orton and Tebow enter the locker room together and watch film together. Orton, it's been reported, spends more time with Tebow than quarterback coach Adam Gase. Add in almost ever shot to the sideline with Tim Tebow, we see him talking, or looking at plays with him. While we all know Orton is gone next season, it can only be a good sign for the locker room, and Tebow, that things are working out between him and Kyle Orton. I noticed this last week and wanted to confirm it this week and it was true, so I'm pretty happy about this.
Miller Time:
After this game I can tell you almost certainly that Von Miller is the best player on this team. I'm not talking about potential, I'm saying that at their current level, Miller is the best player on the field for the Broncos. Miller leads all rookies in sacks, pressures and hits on quarterbacks. He also leads all outside linebackers in Pro Football Focus's rankings, and is our leading defensive player according to Advanced NFL Stats. He's just playing lights out, pure and simple, and I hope he's going to be good for a long time.
Many people suspected Ayers would improve with the move to defensive end from outside linebacker, but I don't think many people have noticed how much he has made an impact. With three sacks, five quarterback hits, and 13 pressures, he's improved in the pass rush. But it's against the run he really shines. He's doing a fantastic job setting the edge, he's playing more snaps than any other lineman, and is our leading defensive end against the run according to Pro Football Focus and Advanced NFL Stats. Overall, he's developed into a solid starter, able to pressure the quarterback and stop the run.
Moreno and Ball, Who Knew:
So possibly the biggest concern going into this week was how the Broncos run game would look, and without Willis McGahee, it looked pretty well. Take out Tebow's running, Lance Ball and Knowshon Moreno racked up 132 yards. Moreno had 69 yards and averaged 4.9 yards per carry and Ball had 63 yards and 10.5 yards per carry. Now I'm not saying McGahee should be losing his job, but we are proving we can run well without him. Add in that the biggest concern of Moreno's play was he couldn't run between the tackles. Well today he proved he could. Actually the middle of our line did a good job in general blocking. Were they great, no, but they were the best part of our offense by a long shot against the Lions easily. Oh and don't look now, but we are the 9th ranked rushing offense, averaging 126 yards per game, so with McGahee, Moreno and Ball I think we might be set, at least in the short term.
Colquitt's Kicking It, Really Well Actually:
If anyone was paying attention to our punter, many people don't so it's okay if you weren't, but Britton Colquitt is silently having a Pro Bowl season. He's the 4th ranked punter in yards per punt, tied for 9th with punts into within the 20 and longest punt. He's also the 2nd highest ranked punter according to Pro Football Focus' film review. So while it's not largely important, like the title says, let's not forget Britton Colquitt.
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Fiasco
100% of the blame for this fiasco can be put on Pat Bowlen. PERIOD
Bowlen has always gone out and spent money when we needed players. How many new players did you expect to break in at once?
Think about the majority of teams out there who rarely spend money and quit dissing Bowlen!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
He is rich, won billions from our franchise… so I don’t care about his financial balance every year. I want him to spend and make a strong team. period.
Also, if we take a look on the last season, all the franchises that were under the salary cap had a losing season but the Bucks. If the Bucks are the exception under the cap, the Broncos were a little over the cap and Xanders did a great job cleaning the house. However now we have plenty of free space and we are not using it, while we can see a huge lack of talent all over the field.
Do you want to save money, Mr Bowlen? So look for a good contract with a bank… we want WINS and Super Bowls.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Last seasons fans were saying we needed to clean house
And build through the draft, now it’s the opposite. We are low on our spending this season, but hardly over the past decade, we were near the top in the mid 2000’s, up till 2009.
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The biggest problem is
that this new front-office only had 1 draft to act.
In a couple years we’ll be able to have a great team built trough the draft, if EFX are competent at this task. But for now, we still need to use our free salary cap space. We can’t change from a losing-season-over-the-cap to a great team built trough the drafts in just 1 year…
So that’s why I think our FO is not planing well this transition and we will be forced to see very ugly teams for the incoming years.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions
But really who would we have added in FA?
We needed a DT, DB and maybe a RB. We added a RB, and all the DT and DB prospects got way overpaid. I wish we had added more in FA, but it would have caused us to make massive contracts for players who don’t deserve them. I would rather have kept players we moved, like Gaff and Hill. We could use both of them right now.
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More or less max...
Actually we didn’t even made a move to get Cofield, for example… and I’m sure we could have landed him. Also Cullen Jenkins would be a fantastic add to play alongside Bunkley. We weren’t in position to take any risk during this offeseason, so why give Ty Warren a $2Mil contract, knowing he was injury prone and something on his release from the Pats was sounding wrong, instead of adding this money to the current contrat of Jenkins? Just another idea…
We could make a move to Nmandi Asomugha and Darren Sproles, why not? Ok, I’m dreaming, but just pointing how yes was possible to add a lot of talent to a lot of needs if Bowlen agreed in opening his pocket to put some money on the table.
I’m not in favor of overpaying carachter-issues-players like TO, Ochocinco, Haynesworth, and etc. But during this transition to a great team bult trough the draft, why not!?
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I mean,
why not the good and hard-working players, not the trouble-makers to blow the locker-room.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I really wanted Mebane
Cofield seems to be underwhelming at this point so I’m not broken hearted about him. And I’m glad we didn’t go after Asomugha, he doesn’t really fit in Fox’s system as well as he did in Oakland, and we are seeing him struggle in zone. I wouldn’t mind having him, but for how big his contract is, it would be way too much. I don’t really think adding someone like Sproles would change much, we have Moreno, and we added McGahee, we really don’t need another back, though he is talented.
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Yes max, we could talk about all those players impact on our team... if it would be a big or not, etc
For example, we couldn’t list Mebane, because he wanted to stay in Seattle and signed an underpaid contract imo. We could talk about Atogwe, Roman Harper, Tyson Clabo and a lot of other paths to follow.
But my point is to discuss that we had several other possible moves to add talent to this season. And we didn’t do it because Bowlen is saving money this year. And I do think we need it, since we can’t change the mentality of the team-building from an year to another.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions
This next off-season has a lot of big talent as well
We’ll see what happens.
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I just can't wait
for the obligation of spending 99% of the cap!
This salary floor has to benefit us a lot.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions
WE dont want to "waste" money now
We need to save cap space for when we resign some of these draft picks, otherwise we lose them. Lets hope they will be worth resigning later. Bowlen will spend when we have a core, but he really shouldn’t right now, we are a mess.
by alkatraz76 on Oct 31, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you think
It would be ‘wasted’ money to have paid a good not great RT so we could move Franklin to guard and/or give him time to practice without getting our QB’s broken?
Say someone cheap, like a 1.5 million guy… Harris? Oh right, we dont want to keep homegrown decent talent… Oh sigh… Oh sigh…
Also, NOT bringing in decent talent for depth/bolster a talent deprived team and maybe getting a real player that might actually want to stay…
Or finding a pro bowl wideout… oh sigh.
Well said
That’s my point!
And about the future picks to resign, I’m sure Xanders can do a great job keeping the house clean for them.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Did you forget harris is done this year?
before the season even started, so your point is moot
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yeah he got a settlement from Philly
and they let him go. He’s done
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
again... injured dudes dont count
by simple dint of him being here and not there, he would not be injured. But don’t miss the real point: IE there ARE reasonable players to sign to reasonable contracts that could help the team, short, medium and long term.
Means your point doesnt matter
and you’re saying that the FO should have resigned Harris even with his prior injury history? EFX was smart for letting him go
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
But not that smart
landing Ty Warren.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Ty got injured during practice. Harris had a preexisting herniated disk that required surgery. Ty was just bad luck, Harris was a known risk that backfired on the Eagles.
Droom...
Don’t you think that at least sounded weird Ty Warren being released by the Pats with the purpose of “freeing 200k on the salary cap” ???
He had a stellar season in 2006 (I can be wrong about the year) and then suffered from injuries year after year… If the Pats released him on this conditions, something is at least weird.
For me we weren’t in position to take any risks. We took a huge landing Ty Warren. For me it wasn’t a smart move. I’d prefer to add 2Mil (his contract) to money paid to Cullen Jenkins for example…
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 1, 2011 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Again, its a simple as this
Player that in hindsight got Injured during practice.
Player with injury before practice.
Who would be the least wise pickup?
So... to be clear
Because one random example is injured, you feel that
“there ARE reasonable players to sign to reasonable contracts that could help the team, short, medium and long term.”
“doesn’t matter”
As in NO FA SHOULD EVER BE SIGNED, EVER, BECAUSE RYAN HARRIS WAS INJURED.
And respect and responses plummet. Believe what you want, but the sky is blue not vermillion. Usually, anyway.
I was addressing your cute hmmmm....we should have re-signed
harris….home grown talent…hmmm… statement. I showed you how wrong you were on that. EFX saw what was wrong with Harris and let him go. Not that we should never re-sign homegrown talent, but letting Harris go instead of paying him X amount of dollars was very smart
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"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Actually no
You wrote ‘because harris is injured, the point made about signing decent FA’s is irrelevant (moot)’.
Actually, your point about Harris is moot. If he was chronically injured, fine. Move on and sign someone else. The ACTUAL point, that being signing reasonable free agents to bolster the talent level, is and always has been both obvious and correct. Hopefully you now know “how wrong you were on that.”
Your apology would now be accepted.
Clady and maybe Ayers too.
Not sure which other players we need to consider for long term deals before 2013.
Woodyard I suppose. Marcus Thomas? I just don’t see any of these guys being cap killers save Clady. And if Elvis doesn’t start racking up sacks, you can bet his salary won’t be on the books much longer.
I was there!
Prater?
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 4:02 AM MDT up reply actions
players, not kickers.
JK.
Prater and Colquitt are both keeps. We have awesome kickers for once. Hell, our ST aren’t have bad for the first time in forever.
I was there!
A big part of the miracle comeback vs. MIA
was the field position flips, including, of course, the onside kick. I think that first drive for a score started around our 40? It was our best FP of the day.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Franklin needed to be evaluated as a RT
I think he has proved that we need to draft ANOTHER RT or pick up a free agent RT. This evaluation is one of the main reasons we are doing so badly this year.
Fabio
next year will be the same as this year in terms of cap spending. I mean, the Broncos can spend more cap if they want to, but I expect that they will max out their cash budget again next year, which will likely leave them about 20mil below the salary cap for 2012.
2013-2015 will be the years to look for spending vs cap instead of cash. The landscape will be a bit different than in the past, but it won’t be as foreign as is looking right now…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 4:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Thank for adding some info about it, JB
All I want is a strong team… and while it takes time to build it trough the drafts, I really hope Mr.Bowlen to put some money. Otherwise we’ll be a joke for the next 3 or 4 incoming years =(
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 1, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
The good news is that the cash spending will go towards rookie signing bonuses
so spend the cash now and in 2012, and then spend the cap on the prorated bonuses in 2012-2015.
So I think we will get our wish of building through the draft.
Of course, not all buildings are destined for greatness. :(
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Well said Max.
Goodman isn’t just slow he can’t tackle and isn’t a very good man-to-man cover guy.
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Thanks, and I do worry about Goodman
Though he is hardly the worst tackler in our secondary, look no further than Vaughn, Moore or even Dawk to see people missing more tackles.
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i personally could give a damn about tackling...
Champs a great tackler, but no one throws to him…
Coverage skills are so much more important. If you are relying on your secondary to tackle runners, its a bigger problem than their tackling ability that you should be worrying about.
One fish, two fish, red fish, DOOM fish.
by Trapped in O.C. on Oct 31, 2011 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Tackling was our issue last season
We had great coverage last season but couldn’t wrap up, and our defense sucked. This season is the opposite, and our secondary is better this season.
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Im not so sure Max
I saw a lot of bad tackling in the SD game
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-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I've seen some bad tackling as well
But in terms of missed tackle percentage, missed tackles out of total attempted tackles, it’s much better this season.
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I was surprised we did not go after Bodden. Goodman is plain bad.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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I am not kidding about this
but I was watching my DVR of the Vikings-Panthers early this morning on Direct TV and I went to watch the Broncos-Lions game to watch the film objectively but it wouldn’t work, and neither would the Bengals-Sehawks or Eagles-Cowboys games. However, I called Direct TV and everything was restored, except I couldn’t find the Broncos-Lions game. The guy I was speaking with told me that the DVR will delete errors if it detects a glitch. Thus, I discovered the Broncos-Lions game literally was an error :(
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 4:12 PM MDT reply actions
Direct TV
said it was random and shouldn’t be expected again. All my other DVRs work, I guess the football gods were telling me watching this once was enough
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
They were....
and that is funny, in a cosmic, ironic, and wierd sorta way……
by baselinedenver on Nov 1, 2011 7:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Max
It’s refreshing to read something that isn’t solely about Tebow for a change. Moreno and Ball were bright spots yesterday for sure. And it’s looking more every day like we came out of the draft with an absolute stud in Von Miller. I can’t wait to see him in 3-4 years.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 4:13 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I do try and mix it up
And you are right, Miller is a stud, I was worried about him in the 4-3 but I am so glad to be wrong.
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You and me both. I had been hoping for either Peterson or Dareus. The thought of having Champ and PP in the same secondary made me giddy. But seeing the instant impact that Miller has made, whereas PP has had some growing pains made me glad I was wrong. Not saying Miller won’t have some growing pains, but he definitely looks like a great pick for the Broncos at the moment.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I was a Dareus man myself
Because I didn’t think Squid would get hurt and that Cox would get arrested.
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yep I was a PP guy. Hard to go wrong with that pick though
actually people screw em up ALL THE TIME props to EFX for drafting Miller. This guy could be a SUPERSTAR
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Me too
I apreciate a lot how on target they hit our #2 overall.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for giving Spence props
he is awesome!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 4:46 PM MDT reply actions
Love the guy
Wish they would work him back into the game plan again. His 1 yard runs for 1st downs and those fullback passes were big plays in my opinion
I just rewatched the first half of the Detroit game on GameRewind and made notes.
I counted one legitimately bad drive by Tebow, the fifth drive where he had two inaccurate throws in a three-and-out. The rest of the time was basically more about Detroit blitzing against slow-developing WR routes, some bad WR play (DT’s lack of physical play directly caused one of our three-and-outs), and bad play-calling. The first half was nowhere near Tebow’s fault.
Meanwhile, we had bad long penalties against our defense leading to an easy field goal, and against our special teams, leading to an easy short-field touchdown. Not to mention the defensive breakdown on the first touchdown. Finally, there’s not switching Bailey to the slot to follow Calvin Johnson. Finally, we regularly have very poor rush defense on first down.
Not sure if I’ll get to the second half, since according to WPA we were basically out of the game by then anyway. It seems beside the point to blame Tebow too heavily for the second half turnovers.
The 2nd half
was clearly Tebow and everyone else’s fault, a team effort, I concur with you on the first half, but we have to avoid 3 and outs, this, in turn, affects our defense. Complimentary football and I quote Brian Shrout because he’s class and smart!
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions
lessons
I think my lessons from watching the first half:
- DON’T RUN MORENO ON RUNNING DOWNS. Just don’t do it. Do it on passing downs, or pass to him in the flat or on screens. The guy needs space, period. He can’t run in traffic. Give him 1 or 2 guys to beat, he’ll sometimes amaze you, but give him too much, he starts acting like Thumper from Bambi. If you want to run on a running down, just run Ball.
- Don’t run Tebow on running downs unless you need short yardage. Do it when there’s some misdirection.
- Give Tebow some WR routes that mature faster.
- Give Tebow outlet passes more often. And when you do, don’t do it with two RB’s releasing at the same time, thereby giving up a sack.
by tunesmith on Oct 31, 2011 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
it seems we believe McCoy is the real loser, turning your tailback into this is a bad play 
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Moreno actually saw his most success this past game
Running between the tackles, he also set a career best in average yards after contact. Moreno wasn’t great this game, but running in traffic is where he was most successful this game.
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home of his yardage was in garbage time 3rd and long on our end of the field
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
What does that have to do with yards after contact?
Heck if anything, when you are down a lot or on 3rd downs, the D is trying even harder to tackle.
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not true, they were covering the first down passing distance,. not the run!
I knew as i watched the game that people would talk up our run game but it simply wasn’t there when we needed it.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
If you say so
People see what they want to see, myself included.
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3rd and 18 - where do YOU focus your defense?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions
not to derail the convo
but their defense still had 8 in the box on 3rd and 18….
On run downs, they had 9.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 4:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I witnessed yesterday's debacle first hand
Tebow is in way over his head. Not only is his throwing motion horrific but his ball is slow, wobbly, and inaccurate (and that was during the pregame warm up).
Whoever thought it was a good idea to draft Orlando Franklin in the second round should be fired immediately. Some of the worst blocking I’ve ever seen.
Even though I was horribly disappointed with Tebow and the offensive line I was mortified by our defense. Von Miller was ok, everybody else sucked.
The spread offense worked great on the first drive. Why the hell did we revert back to our normal boring offense??? Mike McCoy should resign out of respect to the fans.
The ONLY player I was even remotely impressed with was Knowshon Moreno. He was dancing around and trying to get the other players hyped up before the game. He was the only one who looked like he wanted to be there. Even Von Miller looked depressed walking into the stadium.
We were dead before the game even started. The atmosphere at Mile High was brutal. The only ones having a good time were the damn Lions fans.
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by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
once again... HE'S A ROOKIE
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
with weak talent around him
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd be pleased to see Franklin playing LG and we sign another RT
As I posted a couple hours ago on another post:
We say something in Brazil that I’m sure you guys in USA have a popular saying the same: "Sometimes you have a great employee who really deserves a promotion. You do it. And then you end with a poor boss, besides losing your best employee".
That’s exactly what I think about playing our guys out of position. I mean Franklin, Ayers with McD as an OLB, Tebow parked inside the pocket, DJ as the mike, etc etc etc…
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
We call it the "Peter Principle"
The idea is that typical promotion strategy leads to management that has been consistently promoted one position higher than they can succeed at. They call it “”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle" target="new">rising to your level of of incompetence."
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 4:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep....and mediocrity hiring mediocrity...
Its something that has become a phenomenum where people will hire those that are not a threat to them later in their work lives. That they dont want someone working for them that will be promoted over them.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Thank you again for adding some info
That’s exactly what I meant, just didn’t know how you call it in USA.
For me that applies on Orlando Franklin distroying our OL on Tebow’s blindside… as it applied on a lot of other cases where our players were plugged out of position.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Just a note about the play calling
McCoy and Tebow created the playbook together, if there was something Tebow knew he would struggle with, he wouldn’t have included it. Add in our play calling most of the game did play to Tebow’s strengths, deep passes and outside passes, I wouldn’t be really out for McCoy’s head. He wasn’t great, but this game plan was put together by Tebow and McCoy, if you have an issue with the play calling, look at Tebow as well.
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I FULLY blame Tebow and every other player out there
But the play calling DID change after the first drive, it became real vanilla.
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The breakdown seems to say otherwise
In terms of spread plays versus multi-back sets. The 1st drive was also very short, and far to short and small of a sample size. To compare games, this versus the Miami game, we went wide and deep much more often.
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Yes, but the balance and mix, and when certain plays were called had me scratching my head...
I dont think McCoy has any idea how to design a scheme or game plan…I am sure he knows what the calls are, but I think he struggles on WHEN to call ceratin plays.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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I think "conventional" might be a better description than vanilla
the first drive had the inverted wishbone for crying out loud. They were trying out some new stuff. Also had Tim doing the zone read thing, which he seems to have a knack for, probably from his option experience.
But at 10-3, the run/pass mix started to trend back to typical, with most all passes but the playaction coming from shotgun, and most all runs except the designed stuff for Tim coming out of the I.
3rd quarter they ran the inverted wishbone again, as well as a phenomenally sloppy trap play.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 4:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Having talked to a few players that play in the NFL...
The players are young and have women throwing themselves at them all the time.I think it’s very possible some of our key players in this game were out partying a bit too late the night before…everyone knows the Saturday before Halloween is infested with hot, skanky women where ever you go out after 8pm.
by knoepke84 on Oct 31, 2011 11:56 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
interesting theory
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Yeah, I commeneted to Andrew mason that the place seemed quiet....I thought the joint would be rocking...very weird!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Average rushing yards
The run game didn’t really feel effective to me while I was watching the game. There were too many short gains that put the offense behind schedule. Some of that could be the timing of when they were called. But I was thinking a stat like Median yards per rush would be a better measure of a run game’s contribution to an offense. Ultimately, we had a few good runs, but our running game wasn’t good enough to put us in scoring position most of the game.
their linebackers hang back
Which means they limit long runs. They also delay their pass blitzes that way.
they were stacked a great deal of the time actually
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I can’t tell you how many times that they put 8 in the box. They dared us to pass the ball.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it looked that way just because of how bad our offensive line played
For my perch way up in section 506 it looked like they were hanging back trying to get interceptions
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Maybe towards the end of the game,
But I can assure you, when the game was on the line, they left their backs on an island and dared us to throw. The Detroit coaching staff said as much after the game.
We actually didn't have many run plays for a loss
While Ball’s yards came a lot on his one big run, both he and Moreno were fairly decent at being reliable, though hardly great. Add in they were stacking the box on a large percentage of downs, we actually were fairly successful. I’m kind of saddened by the fact that people really aren’t happy with production, especially from the run game, in terms of history, we haven’t had a run game this good in over five years.
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are run game IS improving and I love that we never gave up on it. It'll come together as our QB/Oline play improves.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Great post max
Thank you for this new series with a deeper approach.
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Thanks for your thoughts
Hope it was appealing.
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I like you notice of KO helping Tebow... pure class there.
As usual, if we could just combine the two.
If the only things Tebow learns from KO are the hot reads and check downs, he’ll improve a great deal.
Still more and more I believe it all for naught ….I simply don’t believe Tebow will ever make it.
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Exactly, we need Teborton!
But it was something I noticed that made me pleasantly surprised.
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I noticed the same on the sideline
and Kyle earned some credit with me after that.
I never hated him, but I disliked him because of his lethargy. For now, I’m starting to like him… of course not as the Broncos starting QB, but as the person Kyle Orton.
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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton has always been a good guy....
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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You are right
…just not as our starting QB. But so far we (at least I speak for myself) weren’t able to separate the dumb player off the good guy.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 1, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Stafford made them both look like amatures during the warm ups
He hit his WR’s in stride, they didn’t even have to speed up or slow down. Orton threw too high and Tebow barely threw in the vicinity.
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Oh my god
He is a rookie QB with a 5th game start.
Fine, he will never make it as a pocket QB. Good luck with your Luck/Barkley/Jones. We all see how our elite QBs are stacking up Superbowls all the time. Peyton has one and Phyllis has none. And Ben who is not even considered an elite QB has more than both the Manning brothers and Phyllis together.
Tebow is never going to be an elite pocket QB. If that is what we expect of him, I think we should go and draft another QB. He will be a serviceable pocket QB given time and his other qualities will make him a really good overall QB. He has other tricks up his sleeve to win games. And he needs time and he needs coaching.
If you are comparing him with current rookie QBs, granted Dalton, Ponder and Cam might look good. But chances are most of them might end up becoming like Ortons/Flaccos than Brady/Rodgers. And Cam might end up becoming like a good McNabb. Elite QBs are rare in NFL. Get over your obsession and draft a good team. And give the kid time and coaching. Please go look at what Urban said about him and Alex. It seems to ringing true – Look at how the 49ers are playing.
What’s going to happen: We will discard him. A good team will pick him up (Indy or NE), coach him and then we will be looking at him winning games for other teams. Good job. Well done.
I've been a huge Tebow supporter since he was drafted
He was absolutely terrible yesterday
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They are called growing pains
His accuracy won’t suddenly disappear from college. He has shown good stuff in the past games. It appears he has regressed and it does not even look like the kid is enjoying football anymore.
He will be fine. He just needs outright support and coaching and a freaking team around him which can block and catch balls.
It seemed like a confidence issue
He threw a PERFECT ball to Decker in the endzone on the first drive and then everything went to hell.
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The big difference between College and the Pros...
In college receivers are open by 3-4 ft. In the pros they are open by 3-4 inches. Accuracy is is relative to those numbers. I have nothing against Tebow, I am a Bronco fan. If he can get it together, then awesome, we can spend our top5 draft pick on another position of need. If he cant then expect a new Qb next season. That is the bottom line in the NFL now. Get it done or get gone.
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* forgot an asterisk....
the asterisk = unless you are playing against our secondary, then receivers are open by 25 yds. :(
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
Yep. 5th start. Funny how he gets no benefit of the doubt. Wish we never drafted him. The kid does not need this over the top treatment.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
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by boydy2669 on Nov 1, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree boydy, its such a shame.
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 1, 2011 3:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you read anything I've said
Or did you just read Tebow and start ranting? I don’t want to cast off Tebow, I think he should start through 2012. Add in the fact I don’t want him to be a pocket passer, I’ve written articles saying that. But what you need to understand is that even mobile quarterback need to sense pressure and to be able to make multiple reads. Tebow’s college play showed he didn’t do that because he didn’t need to. Most rookies know how to go through progressions. And I’m not writing off Tebow, so please, don’t derail this post based on nothing I said.
I don’t want to discard him, I don’t want him to be a pocket passer, I’m not comparing him to others, so please, calm down.
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After being there yesterday
We almost have to draft a QB in the first round, hopefully Landry Jones is available.
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I hope we don't
Just because it will give Tebow one more chance, we can bring in a vet, and draft a starting DT or DB. I’m not sold on Tebow at all, but I’d rather draft defense.
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by Topher Doll on Oct 31, 2011 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dre Kirkpatrick!!! Please EFX!
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
There are SO many holes
Our DT’s are nothing more than backups, our linebackers are slow (Von excluded), and our CB’s are down right embarrassing (Champ NOT excluded – he looked slow).
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Not to mention, our offense is pretty terrible right now. We desperately need playmakers on both sides of the ball. Dre Kirkpatrick, Vontaze Burflict, Justin Blackmon…I don’t care who it is. We need playmakers. Ugh…I’ll be glad when we can watch some winning football again! This is too stressful.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Like they say
It’s always darkest before the dawn. We might be really good in a couple of years.
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Yeah....Dennis Allen defense was supposed to get turnovers...not seeing it....and we struggled against a pretty average O line on the weekend.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Champ looked very good until he re-injured the hammy
Champ pulled up limp in the 2nd quarter when he re-injured it. Up until then, he covered Calvin every play. The result was 0 catches for 0 yards. After the injury, Champ never covered him again and he went off and Calvin goes off.
Champ is not slow, he just has an injured hammy that will not heal during the season.
by VC Orange Crush on Oct 31, 2011 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Landry Jones, for a want of a better word, sucks...he is Jason White incarnate!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
You said the same thing about Bradford and he was awesome last year.
Sucks under McJedi, but still.
I was there!
See, I dont think Bradford was anywhere near awesome...I guess we have different definitions of awesome.
He was good for a rookie, hardly awesome.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Agreed
Bradford was not awesome. He did fine. It’s funny how people think just because someone can throw pretty, they are gonna be great QBs.
Bradford might never turn out to be elite. Chad Henne can throw a pretty ball but is he elite? Is Flacco elite? Are 80% of the starting QBs elite?
You want to know what happens when you have elite level passers with less than elite characters – Phyllis and Cutler (Cutlet – a croquette made of minced meat). We at least have the elite character that can’t be taught.
Please stop looking for the next Elway in every kid. Even Elway would not have known that he would be elite when he started. Give our kid some damn time before you discard him.
See, i think his pocket presence is OK...showed some good stuff against Miami on DT TD and passes to Willis and Fells.....he just needs to get the ball out of there when no plays are on.
But great comments Max. i agree with those statements.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Uhhhmmm...
He’s NOT a rookie. And YES, those rookies are playing heads and tails over him.
by OC Bronco Fan on Oct 31, 2011 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
Maxwellsdemon, this was not even remotely aimed at your post. It is more about how others are panicking based on their comments and posts. It looks like they just jump on to the next hope bandwagon. Apologize if you felt that way. Obviously, I read everything you posted and agree to most of it. Not sure about Moreno though.
@Elwayfanj, The first series had him throwing out of shotgun. Then they reverted to center exchanges and oh my god, pass action plays which take like 10 seconds to develop with our WRs. They need to give him screens. And slot throws.
and yea, we need to draft a QB. Tebow is not a short term answer for this team. We need someone like Cutler to get back to our mediocrity.
Cutler was a headcase and a bitch
But let’s be honest, he had one hell of an arm. I only wish Tebow could wing it like that.
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Why do you need him to wing it like that?
Winging it hasn’t taken Bears to SB.Our goal should be SBs. Not Playoffs. Good teams aim at SBs.
Cutler gave up on his team in the playoffs. Bears sure do wish he had Tebow’s heart.
There is no formula for winning games. The world was considered flat until people realized it is elliptical.
I was raised on Elway
Watching Tebow throw pregame made me sick to my stomach. I didn’t think it was possible but he was worse during the game.
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Oh Tebow can throw
It’s not like his accuracy will disappear from college. Sure he might not hit them in their chest or help them in their routes or whatever. But he sure can throw.
He just needs confidence in the system. And learn to read defenses.
I hope your right
I’m rooting for him but I saw it live with my own eyes yesterday and it was really bad. Hard to deny it when you see it with your own eyes.
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He needs to improve his footwork and I think he’ll be fine. The inaccurate passes seem to occur when he’s off balance. This is why I hope he’s given all of 2012 to prove himself. I think an offseason to work on it would do wonders. It’s amazing how a 2-4 year, project QB is all of a sudden not good enough to play in the NFL. He needs time to develop, but it requires patience. Many fans are unwilling to wait for him to develop, which is understandable considering our record in the last few years.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
he can have this year. No more without SIGNIFICANT improvement
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions
I share both sentiments lol. Part of me wants them to draft a new QB, then part of me wants to see them give him time to develop. I’m just gonna let it play out and try to support whatever happens…
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 7:14 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I would prefer to have Tebow be great and be the qb of the future for many reasons. However, one of the biggest reasons is that he is already under contract and would allow to focus our rebuilding in other areas. I really like Tebow and hope he can show that he can be a real good NFL qb but I was must admit I have doubts.
If he continues to look like he did yesterday then IMO I believe we have to rebuild by drafting a new qb next year. It’s tough to let it all play out, but I believe you’re righ this is something we need to do.
To me the good thing going on right now is we are most likely going to find out what we have in Tebow in one form or another.
And...
Vastly improves his footwork, timing, throwing motion and a improves litany of other basic skills that an NFL quarterback should have. Let’s face it, Tebow is a tremendous long term project. McDaniels did him no favors drafting him in the first round and thereby increasing the short expectations placed on him exponentially.
What Tebow needed was to be drafted by a good team with an established quarterback. That way he could have sat for three or four years and learned the skills he should have learned in college. As it is now, the Broncos simply do not have the luxury of waiting three or four years while he learns on the job.
Now I see why Tebow's regressed compared to last year
He’s been taking lessons from Orton!
Seriously, Tebow looked lost out there. I have high hopes for him, but he’s hit a rough patch. He looked unsure of himself, not trusting his throws, so he was not taking shots. Too often, he just kept looking and looking, scrambling, but not pulling the trigger. Confidence was not there. If he is to succeed in NFL, he needs to get over it.
Thanks, Max
Just one thing: Champ is not slow. Yes, Johnson got a jump on Champ with the double move, but what I noticed was, while Champ didn’t catch him, Johnson did not pull away from Champ down the sidelines, and Johnson is a 4.3 guy. That impressed me, especially after seeing that Champ’s hammy was still bothering him.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Wish we had more CBs like Champ
They burnt the rest of them…sigh
That's exactly right
I just watch the replay Where Johnson scored over Champ, and he was clearly limping in stride trying to keep up with Johnson.
Was anybody else sickened by Scheffler's Mile
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Everything he did on that drive pissed me off.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:37 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I was totally hating McJedi and Scheffler at the same time.
It sucked! Just like that painful game.
I was there!
yeppers
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions
He was really classy when the Denver news interviewed him post game
He said he loved being a Bronco and said Josh McDaniels ruined the foundations of a pretty good thing in Denver.
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there it is there. I evil on that man.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Did he really? I missed that. Do you have a link.
I love it when players air dirty laundry after the fact. Vonnie Holliday just toasted McJedi on the radio in Miami after the 2009 season. After hearing the interview, I knew we were F’d. Vonnie didn’t say McJedi was dumb, he said he couldn’t communicate for squat and the players resented him for it.
Josh thought coaching was Xs and Os. It’s a little more complicated than that and McJedi found that out the hard way.
I was there!
High Salute?
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Uhm, Colquitt's the 2nd best safety?
sweet
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Haha with how bad our safeties are playing, probably
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Carter seems like a noticable downgrade to me over Moore. Not sure what Allen is doing with that move, but it doesn’t seem to be paying off at all.
I was there!
agreed. I like Carter's potential but I still don't understand. Is Moore a dummy perhaps?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I don’t know, but Carter sure appears to be having all kinds of trouble with the mental aspects of the game.
I should expect that with young safeties, but it would be nice to see one of them make a play in the passing game more than once a month.
I was there!
Moore has really struggled with tackling
Something Carter doesn’t struggle with. In Fox’s Cover 2 tackling is more important for the FS that coverage skills like Moore has.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
But we are just getting killed in the passing game. It’s a pick your poison, but both poisons will kill you dead.
I was there!
It's Moore's job to lay people out
tacking is overrated, I’m kidding
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Oct 31, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Von Miller is fantastic. I wish I could say the same for his draft classmates. Nothing would make me happier than to see at least five of our young players thrive over the next month.
Instead, I’m seeing a return to the McJedi era where our young players get progressively worse and less effective. If all we hit on are high first round picks, we’ll continue to have a lot of high first round picks.
Another game with zero turnovers created will also be a set back. How is it possible that our D has so much trouble taking the ball away, esp INTs.
I was there!
Did you ever think that since the bad drafting continued after McD left
It might be Xanders doing all these bad moves?
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already calling this a bad draft?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Nope I'm saying I'm just not a fan of a lot of the players
And haven’t been proven wrong yet. Not writing anyone off.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
high hopes for Franklin improving and Moore too. Oh yeah Irving too. This could still be a great draft.
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Poor secondary play and a lack of a pass rush from the Dline, in my opinion. They failed to pressure Stafford at all yesterday, and it exposed our terrible secondary. More pressure would cause poor throws, which would hopefully add to the INTs. The turnover differential is killing us.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 6:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe I’m off, but it seemed to me like we hit Stafford a fair number of times yesterday. It seemed like he had plenty of success on the short stuff because Harris and Goodman couldn’t cover for even a second or two.
I was there!
agreed
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
yuppers
They pressured him some. Goodman seemed scared to get close to Young or johnson or whoever
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
You’re right, the more I think about it, I remember seeing Miller and a few others knock him on the ground, my bad. Speaking of Harris, what were Fox and Allen thinking by allowing Calvin Johnson to abuse him like that? Champ shouldn’t have come off him the whole game.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Oct 31, 2011 7:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Phyllis just threw ANOTHER INT!!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
whats the score?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Ugh I hate both of them, but seriously f*ck SD. I hope KC kicks their teeth in
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I hope we look much much better next week as I’ll be at our game vs KC in KC in a couple of weeks. If we play like we did yesterday, but in KC my wife may never let me take her to a Broncos road game in KC again.
Well the Chiefs opened up the season just as poorly as the Broncos played last week
now they seemed to have turned it around. I hope our boys can do the same
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Me too. I coach football at the HS level and I can tell you often times losses can be very difficult for fans because we pretty much just get to sit around talk, discuss, and stew about a loss for a week without being able to do much to fix it. As a player and coach you have the chance to get back to work on it really quick and have a lot to do in turning it around.
KCs TD
That route Balwin ran on the TD isn’t a route DT could run in his wildest dreams. The blocking isn’t something Franklin could provide on his best day and the throw was a kind of accuracy Tebow hasn’t been able to harness.
That play defined the difference between the talent on our two rosters.
I was there!
ouch that hurts
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 31, 2011 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Did you guys discuss this already? (Sorry couldn't read everything here today)
Can’t disagree with some of their comments overall, but man, they – especially the anonymous guy – come off like, well, like some of them came off on the field yesterday: as asshats. At least Avril tried to be fair and rational. I mean, I agree, Tim was terrible yesterday, but again, some of the Lions players have an attitude like some perennial SB contender. (Obviously, I still wish our team was at their point in development, of course. Maybe next year.)
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
That quote left me thinking I’d chuckle if Suh or Stafford went down with a torn MCL/ACL next week. They are a dirty team. A chippy team. Like San Diego in 2006. They deserve a bad break.
I was there!
This!
The less audience we give them, the better…
This signature was sacked by Von Miller.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions
They are punks for how little they’ve accomplished. Detroit was 6-10 last year and haven’t been a good NFL team in a very long time. You’d think that taught them humility. What they have is not swagger, it’s just cockiness.
One injury to Stafford or Johnson and they are back to being an also-ran. I’d like to see that particular team knocked down a peg. They are not like real good teams in NE, GB, Baltimore and PItt.
I was there!
They seemed to have forgotten that they are
8 wins in a 3 year time span. 0-16 in 08, 2-14 in 09, 6-10 last year.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I knew there was a logical reason why Tebow has seemed to regress this year.:
According to a number of sources, Orton and Tebow enter the locker room together and watch film together. Orton, it’s been reported, spends more time with Tebow than quarterback coach Adam Gase.
HA
good one! stop spreading your mediocrity Kyle.
by MTorange&blue on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL. makes sense.
Yeah, he looked alot better last year
by broncosfan1129 on Nov 1, 2011 5:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Pretty funny
although, sorry but Tebow could still learn something about accuracy from Orton, or a lot of guys ;)
and whatever Orton’s faults on the field, he’s still pretty smart…
Still, funny.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
What about Harris
The young DB held his own against Megatron, with some good tackling. Yes, he gave up a few catches, but even Bailey got beat for a TD.
I did think he played okay
He’s the best in coverage compared to Vaughn and Whilhite, but he still is learning. Once Squid returns, I think he and Harris will be good nickel and dime guys.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Oct 31, 2011 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Knowshon in pass protection
Do you guys ever watch Knowshon in pass protection? He is quite impressive, he is very good at reading the blitz’s
great observation
Ball is good in pass pro as well. It was moreno’s weakest area as a rookie, but now I think it might be one of his strongest.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 1, 2011 4:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Lemon's?
Are we making lemonade out of lemons now?
Watching Phyllis drop her purse on MNF?
Priceless.
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
BraHaHaHaHa...I had the Chargers winning the game on a fieldgoal and I mentioned unless they do something stupid...
I looked up and sure enough, Phyllis dropped the ball and lost it to the Chiefs. Classic!
Watching him sound out "worst day ever" in slo mo was the best
May he have a lot more of those for years to come
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
This one? lol

Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 1, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 7 recs
Thats the one.
So needs to be green
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
hypnotic and soothing.
i could watch that loop for hours on end. it has a meditative quality to it.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
Picking Von Miller in the draft at #2 was a very good choice and something to build off of...
This year if we continue the trend of won/loses we’ll probably pick around 9-10 and maybe we can find a stud CB.
Our Run Game
In the middle of the all the quarterback discussions, I’m guilty of missing this.
Oh and don’t look now, but we are the 9th ranked rushing offense, averaging 126 yards per game, so with McGahee, Moreno and Ball I think we might be set, at least in the short term.
For years, we had the reputation of cranking out 1000 yard rushers. We may never get that back, but this is a start.
Running backs
Unfortunately we need better running backs too. Our division rivals are set
Worst day ever
No that comes later in the season
good stuff, max.
you handled the QB issue deftly. agree that the orton/tebow scene was good to see. decent people soften when they see others struggle and it looks like kyle’s doing the right thing. at some level he must’ve seen that tebow’s in a bad situation too and that they’re more like brothers in arms than competitive enemies.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
Thanks for your thoughts
And agreed, I’m happy to see all our players, benched or starters, working to try and win.
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