Denial followed by Acceptance

by dcrespo7 on Oct 31, 2011 6:05 AM MDT

I've been in denial since that fateful day that had Tebow as a Bronco via 1st round 25th pick (at the expense of three draft picks being traded away). So allow me to express what my expectations are when I look at the quarterback position. You see, in High School the most athletic and talented gifted play positions that net the most touches. Whether its RB or QB (option), its how these HS coaches win the games that are important to them. Tebow broke Florida HS TD records as he was able to both pass and rush the ball.

College football isn't much different than high school in the sense that you want skilled players, or potentially capable of playing in a more team oriented scheme. Now I don't proclaim to be unbias here simply because I'm a UGA fan through and through (great win Saturday) but this spread scheme that Tebow played in for four years, along with the four years of high school has not prepared him to be the QB any team beyond those two levels needed him to be.

This current regime doesn't owe Tebow anything and he understands that better than anyone as McDaniels was the coach who's expertise (ironically the rookie of the year from the previous year is winless this year) were QBs drafted Tebow. What I am talking about is 8 years of starting football games as a QB. None of those fundamentals are visible. I'm done for the season and Sunday was an example of the entire team knowing how limited this QB is. Take Lloyd's exit and comments about Tebow as a small sample of how the team feels about the situation.

Denver won't be relevant for some years and for the first time in my life I am going to learn to live with that. Tebow isn't the answer. This coaching staff and executive management team are handcuffed because we as fans are in love with a player for the person he is and that has blinded such solid football knowledge.

For the record, I do coach at the junior level and a different sport. My goal is always to have my kids improve in their basics and incorporate the fundamentals necessary for success at the college level. To play beyond college really comes down to intangibles which I do cover because I understand my responsibility isn't just to win games but to cultivate a set of skills ranging from athletic ability, to concepts of team plays and finally mental toughness.

Tebow is a great person but I'm not interested in that. I need a QB that can play great. On a side note, I thought Newton was going to be a reach. I was wrong and if you look at this footwork, where his ball placement is allocated prior to throwing anyone could see how scary his future will be.

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You guys are too focused on the draft picks traded away for Tim Tebow. If I recall, McJedi was making those picks so it’s not like we’d have three good players instead of Tim.

We’d probably just have three more Darcel McBath, Nate Irving and Seth Olsen type players that don’t do much of anything productive on game day.

I will add that Tebow’s career record is 2-3. Cam Newton is 2-6. I’d rather have Netwon, I’m not on drugs or anything, but still.

Tebow needs to cut down massively on the 3 and outs and 14 points per game won’t cut it. He still deserves the next nine games to see what he’s got. It’s not like we have a backup to go to anyway.

I was there!

by McGeorge on Oct 31, 2011 7:20 AM MDT reply actions

No way 9 games

Tebow deserves nothing more than any other developmental QB. He is a second year pro with 5 starts under his belt. He is not expected to be a Peyon Manning or Tom Brady at this point, but he should be expected to demonstrate the most basic level of competence and a general direction of improvement. If he does not show minimum levels of competence within the next two to three games then I believe his career in Denver (and most likely the NFL) will come to a sudden halt. By minimum levels of competence I mean completing 50% of passes, converting at least 1/3 of third downs and taking no more than 2-3 sacks or TFLs per game. 9 of his last 11 quarters have been far below any reasonable level of competence. As poorly as Orton performed in the first few games, Tebow has managed to perform far worse. If Tebow does not quickly reach competence then the team needs to give Brady Quinn or Adam Weber full evaluations be for we just let them walk — we will need someone to take snaps.

Keep your eye on the prize -
The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.

by Flunkie on Oct 31, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions

You seemed fine giving Orton forever and a day when it was beyond obvious that Kyle wasn’t the long term QB (for Denver or anyone else).

Besides, the worse we are the higher our draft pick and better chance to get Barkely or Landry Jones.

Tebow is 1-1 as the starter this year. If he is 1-6 in a few more weeks, we can reevaluate.

Franklin and DT have been disgraceful the last two games, but I think they’ll still get reps. Tebow should be no different. Got to see what you have with the young guys even if you realize you need to draft WR, RT and QB early at the next NFL draft.

I was there!

by McGeorge on Oct 31, 2011 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions

Only part right

I saw Orton as a place holder that would allow Tebow the chance to receive some coaching in order to have a chance to be effective at the position. I really did not care who that place holder was, so long as it was not Tebow. Since preseason I have been posting specific observations that lead me to believe that Tebow was not yet ready (or even close to ready) to take over the starting position. Everything that I commented on was exposed during 9 of the last 11 quarters. My evaluation of Tebow is, and has been, totally independent of any other QB on the roster. Tebow can lose all of the remaining games and still win the starting spot – but he has to show minimum competence and the ability to do those things which he is paid to do. If he manages to pull off the heroic wins two out of the next three games and still fails to demonstrate minimum competence through the first three quarters (a la Miami) then I say put Quinn or Weber in and see how desparate we really are to draft a QB with our top 5 pick.

Keep your eye on the prize -
The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.

by Flunkie on Oct 31, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions

I’d like to see Tebow get at least five (really 9) more starts. He is currently 2-3 as a starting QB. If he is 2-8, then it’s pretty easy to see the problems and if they can be corrected.

I was more discouraged by his play vs Miami than Detroit. In the Detroit game, I was more discouraged, by the play of Franklin, DT, Royal, Beadles and the entire defense (esp the back 7). I was discouraged by the coaching as well.

Tebow needs to make big strides and it will be impossible for this if his fellow starters play like they did on Sunday.

Yours is a good post. Better than the post by dcrespo7.

I was there!

by McGeorge on Oct 31, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions

Boy McG you were right on with the Franklin pick. He was absolutely horrible and cannot pass block to save his life.

He practically got Tebow killed out there.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Oct 31, 2011 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions

I was there!

by McGeorge on Oct 31, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions

I agree

That those three picks would be as impactful as Moreno but Tebow isn’t going to change 8+ years of ‘freelance footballing’.

My focus isn’t on any one player because I expect more of the same next year. That Josh guy sure set this franchise back.

Say hello to my fast...

by dcrespo7 on Oct 31, 2011 7:33 AM MDT via mobile reply actions

You don’t have to convince me about the McJedi era. I was calling that train wreck since day one.

Here is a list of his high draft picks
1. Moreno
1. Ayers
2. Phonz Smith
2. Darcel McBath
2. Richard Quinn

1. DT
1. Tebow
2. Beadles

Most teams have 4 picks in that span. McJedi had eight. How many of those guys are even good? But at least McJedi left us with late round gems like Seth Olsen, Bradstater, Kenny McKinnley, Parrish Cox and Kirlew to fall back on.

I was there!

by McGeorge on Oct 31, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions

and from this years crop this year it looks like Miller is the only one who really should be starting

I’ve always thought it but maybe Xanders needs to be evalutated as a bad drafter as well because it is looking like he isn’t hitting too many home runs either.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Oct 31, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions

Picks have been bad for the last decade

to focus on just a few years of picks by McDaniels makes no sense. How many picks are still on this team selected by Shanahan?

by tom3565 on Oct 31, 2011 7:44 AM MDT reply actions

Except we were a .500 under Shanny hurting on defense.

Now we are a team recovering from, or trying to, roster changes from McD.

I want to blame someone but clearly there is plenty of room.

Say hello to my fast...

by dcrespo7 on Oct 31, 2011 8:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions

Most of our better players?

I don’t see how anyone can excuse any of McDaniels craptacular mismanagement of the roster by pointing to Shanahan. Shanahan had issues with the draft but at least he could find some quality in there. Clady, Doom, DJ are all Shanahan picks who are significantly better than any selection McX ever made. (and that is before you start thinking about the Shanahan players who McX traded away as they ’didn’t fit our system’ who have gone on to be productive starters for other teams. Thinking about the 09/10 drafts makes me ill)

by deflated on Oct 31, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions

Tebow should play...

He needs the rest of the season. He needs to play some good teams, some bad teams, some average teams. We need to try every variation of offense in the process. we may end up 2-14 with a -400 differential in points, but we need to exhaust all options with him. We have NOTHING to lose.

by Triz06 on Oct 31, 2011 8:34 AM MDT reply actions

This is a reasonable post, I agree with all but these 2 statements:

Denver won’t be relevant for some years and for the first time in my life I am going to learn to live with that.

This is dangerous. There is a very fine line beetwen being REALISTIC or ACCOMMODATE. If we end being an accommodate franchise, we’ll never get back to the Super Bowl path. And this is my biggest fear with this “don’t being relevant” thought.

Tebow isn’t the answer

I think that anyone who sais he IS or he ISN’T the answer is wrong. I’m very bored about what I saw on sunday and 55min agaisnt the Dolphins. But I could point 348768344 argues to explain why he was hurt by the lockout, tc without 1st stringer reps, etc etc…. So I’m just saying that this is a premature time to point anything about if he will or won’t succeed and if he is or isn’t our long-term answer. We need to see a sample bigger than that.

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by Fabio Broncos on Oct 31, 2011 10:14 AM MDT reply actions